I choose a harvester, blender, processor

And, then, where should he spin faster?

Girls, I'll go crazy with you. I don't know how else to get my message across. I held two mixers in the store and in my hands - one Bosch cool one, for 350 W and one non-name Chinese for the same W. It was visible with the naked eye when turned on that the noname is spinning much, much faster. I took it and was not mistaken. Then I read in different Temko that they beat the whites with this Bosch for 10 minutes, mine beats 2-3 minutes before the peaks. What conclusion should I draw from this? I focused exclusively on my eyes and intuition. Well, I don't know what other examples to convey.

Should not be anywhere, but in some it turns, let's say.

I'm waiting. I understand that speed depends on rpm, not power. And yet I pay for the extra watts in the expectation that a machine with more power will do its job better. Will it spin faster - it's purple for me. I need it to work better, stronger, more reliable than the cheaper one with less power. Otherwise, what for would I pay for a 600-watt blender that can't whip up trivial proteins, and not a super-viscous pate? I need him to do both beautifully. This is what I pay money for. And I expect to get a decent unit for my money. And whether it will work with power or revolutions - I don't care about the drum (although I understand the difference).

Well then, I have no more questions. If I pay for a 600 W blender, then I have a 600 W blender, knowing full well that there will be no professional mixer in the set, because first of all it is a blender. It's like, as you know, a multicooker-bread maker. It is unlikely that the manufacturers have laid down a cool bread machine in this device, most likely a little bit of everything. As well as all devices that are 3 in 1, 5 in 1, 9 in 1, etc.

Girls, I'll go crazy with you. I don't know how else to get my message across. I was holding two mixers in the store and in my hands - one Bosch cool, 350 W and one non-Chinese for the same W. It was visible with the naked eye when turned on that the noname is spinning much, much faster. I took it and was not mistaken. Then I read in different Temko that they beat the whites with this Bosch for 10 minutes, mine beats 2-3 minutes before the peaks. What conclusion should I draw from this? I focused exclusively on my eyes and intuition. Well, I don't know what other examples to convey.

Should not be anywhere, but in some it turns, let's say.

Duck and I ap the same !!! My obscure 12-year-old Chinese, whom I once bought for a pittance, does a better job than the cool "powerful" Brown! We'll have to, now, look for the same Chinese, and not overpay for the declared watts and poor quality of performance

It is not always possible to compare by eye. Many people order equipment through the Internet. Incidentally, I am one of them. Because in the nearby shops there is nothing that I would like to twirl in my hands. And for a remote choice some kind of criterion is needed. What to start from in this case? The option "to tear the ass off the chair and go around all the shops in order to have a first-hand look" is not accepted - not everyone has such an opportunity. In my case, this is really lazy, and someone has a lack of time or worse, limited movement. What should they focus on when choosing a blender?

Oh, finally there was something that everyone agrees on. The Chinese rule noname I have, by the way, a cheap Deksik (just 600 W), well, just a gorgeous little animal! And I chose between Brown and Bosch

It is not always possible to compare by eye. Many people order equipment through the Internet. Incidentally, I am one of them.Because in the nearby shops there is nothing that I would like to twirl in my hands. And for a remote choice some kind of criterion is needed. What to start from in this case? The option "to tear the ass off the chair and go around all the shops in order to have a first-hand look" is not accepted - not everyone has such an opportunity. In my case, this is really laziness, but someone has a lack of time or worse, limited movement. What should they focus on when choosing a blender?

Quite right! It was these criteria that I was guided by when buying Brown. By the way, not all stores have the ability to turn on the device to check the quality of its work. This I mean that I lift my ass off the chair quite easily, and, besides, I am quite mobile: I jumped into the car and went where I needed to. Fortunately, you don’t need to ask anyone to bring them.

And my Chinese is declared for 170 watts, and the motor is a beast!

It is not always possible to compare by eye. Many people order equipment through the Internet. Incidentally, I am one of them. Because in the nearby shops there is nothing that I would like to twirl in my hands. And for a remote choice some kind of criterion is needed. What to start from in this case? The option "to tear the ass off the chair and go around all the shops in order to have a first-hand look" is not accepted - not everyone has such an opportunity. In my case, this is really laziness, but someone has a lack of time or worse, limited movement. What should they focus on when choosing a blender?

In this case, only for reviews. You can, of course, be guided by power, but what's the point? Just to do something? Because a bunch of examples above have shown that there is zero sense to focus on power. But if you have focused on power, then there is nothing to blame for the absence of miracles.

Well, finally, at least something common came.

And by the way, I also choose everything on the Internet, it just so happened that we cooperate with one local store of household appliances. We provide them services, but they do not really want to pay with money, so we work on a barter basis. Some amount of money runs up, I go and take from them something from small household items that the household needs. So I took the mixer for myself, I just needed it. By the way, theirs mixer, that is, this chain of stores has already begun to stamp equipment. I've already seen, and they have a bread maker, and a yogurt maker, they told me. I'm still going to go and have a look, maybe I'll see more interesting things. But their mixer is a beast, a shaitan machine, as Daffi put it. By the way, their yogurt maker is one to one similar to Dax 157, apparently, the same Chinese rivet, they just stamp different letters on devices.

But their mixer is a beast, a shaitan machine, as Daffi put it. By the way, their yogurt maker is one to one similar to Dax 157, apparently, the same Chinese rivet, they just stamp different letters on devices.

Well, the Chinese rule again

In this case, only for reviews. You can, of course, be guided by power, but what's the point? Just to do something? Because a bunch of examples above have shown that there is zero sense to focus on power. But if you have focused on power, then there is nothing to blame for the absence of miracles.

I don’t even want to argue. And still. Power is almost synonymous with strength. Therefore, the buyer has the right to count on the fact that a more powerful blender will stronger at work. And stronger at work means both whipping faster and pulling a more viscous product. If the more powerful should pull the heavier dough / porridge, then why shouldn't it beat faster? I don’t understand this, Oksan, I’m just citing the logic of a normal buyer (not so adept in all sorts of subtleties as we, deviceaholics). Therefore, power is still a criterion, and still the only one. Another thing is that the manufacturer is defrauding, an infection
And about the reviews. Before buying a blender, I rummaged through all the information here. On the topic of blenders, mainly praises to Kenwood 724 (with a potato machine) sound. The price, let's say, is considerable, but I can't get a potato grinder for nothing, and even more so for money (well, we don't eat potatoes!).Brown-Phillips-Bosches with the same frequency both praise and scold: the internet is full of negative reviews, very often break down literally a month or two after the end of the warranty. Almost everyone agrees on one thing: before Brown - it was Brown: whoever bought 10 years ago never gets tired of praising him. And who bought only a year ago - scolds. Obviously, the quality of the unit has fallen sharply, because it became unprofitable for the manufacturer to release a quality product, after which the buyer is lost for him at least 10 years. And now they drive bullshit for the same money, and the buyer will return again in a year, at most two, for a purchase, because can’t imagine life without a blender. The same with Bosch and Phil.
Why am I so long. And to the fact that with all the richness of choice, there is practically no choice. There is nothing to buy! Because the Browns, Boshey and Philae are not the same, Kenwood seems to be the same, but in the wrong configuration and it is too expensive. So I decided: rather than buying expensive Brown for a year or two, I'd rather buy a cheap non-name in the hope that it will last the same year or two, and then, if something happens, I'll buy a new one. For such and such money it will not be so offensive. And I chose again by power... Because at the time of purchase, there were practically no reviews for Dex. So that...
Sorry for the multibucaff.

And now I'm thinking about Kenwood. Interestingly, I will "try" it in the store will give? Anyway, I need a submersible whisk blender. And to chop, and to beat. I have a large Kenwood processor, but it's not always convenient. Sometimes you need to quickly whisk and chop without staining a mountain of dishes ...

We'll have, now, to look for the same Chinese, and not overpay for the declared watts

As you find - share with us. In my village, the choice is very small: scarlett, brown, phillips, bosch. We choose from the Internet. I would also buy a Chinese beast, only sometimes they have such an unpleasant quality of plastic ... but if I am in the Ukrainian lands, I decided everything, I won't leave without a mixer like Lozja.

I would recommend Dex, but bullshit is our in-house brand
And of the rest, Kenwood rules today. Bosch-Brown-Filas are now practically one-off, they literally serve as a warranty period, and fly: either the plastic crumbles, or in the place where metal and plastic are attached (by the way, almost all of them have plastic fasteners).
There are two more options besides Ken: Bamix and ... noname / dark horse. Maybe very lucky. Or maybe not lucky - you can't guess.

In my village, the choice is very small: scarlett, brown, phillips, bosch.

In my village, the choice is even less ... About Scarlett and Bamix, we have never heard of Maybe they are the same noname?

As you find - share with us. In my village, the choice is very small: scarlett, brown, phillips, bosch. We choose from the Internet. I would also buy a Chinese beast, only sometimes they have such an unpleasant quality of plastic ... but if I am in the Ukrainian lands, I decided everything, I won't leave without a mixer like Lozja.

If you are in the Ukrainian lands, get a Dex blender. Super-cheap, but great unit. And at the same time a yogurt maker of the same name. Well, also take a multicooker in the kit I guarantee - you will be satisfied

In my village, the choice is even less ... About Scarlett and Bamix, we have never heard of Maybe they are the same noname?

Bamix is ​​still that name! Swiss quality plus Swiss price. In our Palestinians it is not there either. But even if I had, I would never have taken him for such money.
And Scarlett is a fairly widespread brand. The prices are the lowest, the quality, say, is not lower than the price, and sometimes even somewhere higher. But in general, not the best option. Low budget in every way. Like newlyweds who need everything at once, and money for real devices Nyama. Like, learn from Scarlett, and if you learn, buy a real one.
However, Scarlets have been working for many years. Not animals, but doing their job. If you take a powerful Scarlet, she can pleasantly surprise. But not a fact

There is nothing to buy! Because the Browns, Boshey and Philae are not the same, Kenwood seems to be the same, but in the wrong configuration and it is too expensive.

Why expensive? I have it cheaper than Brown 550 and others like him. What even surprised me a little, I thought, since Kenwood is already, it will cost in comparison with other brands, as their combine is compared to other combines. But no, not so many, there are Browns and others like them more expensive than Kenwood.

And yet, all equipment is now being made exactly for the warranty period. It's just that some part somehow miraculously lasts much longer. And the rest have everything, as calculated by the manufacturer - exactly for the warranty period. Then something breaks. This I am talking in particular about computer technology, which my husband has been doing for more than a year. You cannot tell how many such cases have already happened - the warranty period ends and the spare part dies, +/- a month or two.
It started with an ordinary light bulb. The usual laws of the world economy. If goods are made for decades, then there will be no turnover, production will suffer losses. Therefore, from some point in history, the manufacturer has been making a lot of efforts so that the product does not serve the customer for eternity. And exactly the period of warranty service. Sad as it is, there is nothing we can do about it.
Ideally, how it should be is one thing, the reality is completely different. You can dream, but you have to look at things realistically.

The engine power is the sum of the rotation speed and the moment on the shaft. Manufacturers are cunning by pointing out, as a rule, the consumption of the engine when the shaft is jammed, and not the real power of the torque on the shaft. Some manufacturers indicate "honest" power and takeoff RPM. Bamix 140-200W and 10,000 / 14,000 / 17,000 rpm.
Bosch Power - 900 W (clearly disingenuous) about 200 W real and RPM: 2000-14000

Aha! This means that the rotation speed is, after all, directly related to the power! So I was right !!!!

You are wrong The number of revolutions of the motor shaft is not equal to the number of revolutions of the nozzle, because between them there is a toothed or belt drive (combine, mixer), which helps to both reduce and increase the number of revolutions of the nozzle. So, an increase in engine power in many cases does not lead to an increase in the nozzle speed, which is exemplified by the BOSH MUM combine, in which different models have different engine power (consumed), and the maximum nozzle speed = 12,500 rpm.

The Brown Hand Blender is a good thing, if you do not demand the impossible from it and accept the fact that it can serve as an auxiliary, but not the main device for whipping. A blender whisk will never replace a mixer, no matter how much we want it

[Kenwood HB891]

Combines are not yet relevant to me. I have a great Kenwood processor. I'm still interested in hand blenders with a whisk option. Now I will check in stores Kenwood HB891... I hope at least this one will meet my expectations.

A blender whisk will never replace a mixer, no matter how much we want it

Nonsense! My Chinese blender whisk has completely replaced the mixer. Even more than. The whole problem is that after 12 years of operation in this device, the choppers and the leg itself from the blender crumbled from old age. Otherwise, in my life I would not have looked for a replacement for my Chinese. His motor is a beast and the speed is the very thing that I need. And this with a declared power of 170 watts ...

Where does this figure come from? Offsite RPM: 2000-14000

The figure was invented specifically to annoy you There is a BOSH MUM 4 series, it has a maximum rotation speed of the nozzle 12,500 rpm, while the power consumption of the engine is 500-600 W in various models.

A blender whisk will never replace a mixer, no matter how much we want it

I subscribe to every word.
And yesterday I spent so many different words to explain it. Duffy came and, as always, a rosary, capacious, in a few phrases. Why can't I do that ...

I subscribe to every word.

You just haven't come across good blender beaters.

I subscribe to every word.
And yesterday I spent so many different words to explain it. Duffy came and, as always, clearly, succinctly, in a few phrases. Why can't I do that ...

I wondered for a long time why a hand mixer beats faster and better than a cobmine with a planetary nozzle. The Hand Mixer came up with the idea - it's actually two planetary nozzles, which also rotate in different directions. That is, the nozzles themselves rotate, and even we drive by hand, here is the planetary rotation in a double volume. Well, how is such an explanation? That is, it’s not about power, but about whipping, vot.

The figure was invented specifically to annoy you There is a BOSH MUM 4 series, it has a maximum rotation speed of the nozzle 12,500 rpm, while the power consumption of the engine is 500-600 W in various models.

MUM 4 Speed ​​range from 25 to 12,000 rpm

MUM 4 Speed ​​range from 25 to 12,000 rpm

I give up, I confused 12,000 and 12,500, went to sprinkle ashes on my head. The bottom line does not change, the difference in engine power is 100 W (from 500 W to 600 W), and the number of revolutions of the nozzle remains constant at 25-12,000 rpm.

[Daffi]

Daffi, experimented yesterday, as promised, with Brown and Bosch blenders. Took one ice cream and a glass of milk with a protein content of 3.0 (just good for whipping). I split it all in half in a Bosch blender and a Brown blender. Whipped in Boch for about 30-40 seconds, in Brown - 20-25 seconds. Maybe a little? I took pictures, but it is still not clear to them where how much foam is, so I'm not posting it yet. Although, I did not look at them on my computer, I will look in the evening.
Results, in general. In Bosh - "kaka bula, taka є", well, maybe 1-2 mm of foam appeared. In Brown - about 1-1.5 cm foam. I poured it all into a Bosch bowl, added tangerine juice, turned on the whisk at turbo speed, and the result - nothing happened. A bit of foam, 1-2 mm.
Then I took half a glass of milk that remained, and whipped it in a small press for tea and coffee, the foam was 3 cm.There would be more milk - even more, just milk in the press was a bit higher than the press itself, so there was a little froth ... Usually in the press with good milk with protein 3.0 it turns out to whip almost everything into a foam.
What a deal. In any case, Brown was more pleased with the blender. Then I chopped the onion and garlic into cutlets in it and once again enjoyed such a successful blender. In a Bosch blender, I would unload this onion all over the blender - I would be tired of collecting it along the walls.

In the evening I'll look at the pictures, if something is clear there, I'll post it.

[Lozja]

Lozja,

You are left with an uncovered Ikeevsky milk frother, on the next branch they write that it perfectly whips up any fat-cold-warm-fat-free, and it is especially nice that it costs mere pennies.

[Lozja]

Lozja,

You are left with an uncovered Ikeevsky milk frother, on the next branch they write that it perfectly whips up any fat-cold-warm-fat-free, and it is especially nice that it costs mere pennies.

Duc, I don’t have it. Actually, I once chose between a frother and a French press, and chose the latter. It is also worth a penny. I just reasoned that in this you can also steam tea and coffee, but that only whips, so I stopped at the press. But it is possible that the frother whips even better, I will not argue.

[Lozja]

Lozja,
You are left with an uncovered Ikeevsky milk frother

on mine is not written a single letter whose it is. Battery powered, imported from Canada.
If we are talking about this, then 50 ml of milk 1.5% from the refrigerator whips in 1-2 seconds to a whole glass. She did not whisk further, the milk could no longer fit, and it vibrates unpleasantly in my hand. The glass cannot be turned over, it does not hold by the walls (well, the time is 1 sec.). It is logical to use it for its intended purpose - just whip milk for coffee, cocoa, ... By the way, after 5 minutes the foam started to settle only slightly.

[Daffi]

Daffi I poured it all into a Bosch bowl, added tangerine juice, turned on the whisk to the turbo speed, and the result - nothing happened.

Specify what kind of a Bosch bowl? MUM-4? When I poured milk from the blender into the bowl of a large kneader, nothing whipped up, because the blender heated up the milk with its sputtering.

Daffi In any case, Brown is more pleased with the blender. Then I chopped the onion and garlic into cutlets in it and once again enjoyed such a successful blender. In a blender, Bosch would

What is the volume in Brown and Boch?

I wondered for a long time why the hand mixer whips faster ... the nozzles themselves rotate, and even we drive by hand, here's the planetary rotation

Agree. Although I noticed that the whites are whipped easier and faster, if, on the contrary, do not move the mixer (whisk), and direct the whites themselves to the whisk, tilting the container. As soon as I begin to crawl over the bowl with the same whisk, Brown is a long song ...

Specify what kind of a Bosch bowl? MUM-4? When I poured milk from the blender into the bowl of a large kneader, nothing whipped up, because the blender heated up the milk with its sputtering. What is the volume in Brown and Boch?

I don't remember exactly the volume, but in Brown it is definitely less. Although, if you believe the infa in the internet, it is the same. But in Boch, as I understand it, 0.75 is the useful volume, and in Brown - the total. It's just that due to straight knives, the liquid does not rise so high even at the highest speed, as in Boch. Something like this.

Yes, I poured it into the bowl of the combine. Now it's clear why she didn't want to whisk with a whisk.

[Lozja]

Lozja,
Ikeev's toy will have to be bought, I am more and more convinced of this.
Have you noticed that the taste of milk, whipped with different devices, is different? The most delicate milk seemed to me from a French press. And the most disgusting taste is whipped heated milk.

[Lozja]

Lozja,
Ikeev's toy will have to be bought, I am more and more convinced of this.
Have you noticed that the taste of milk, whipped with different devices, is different? The most delicate milk seemed to me from a French press. And the most disgusting taste is whipped heated milk.

Yes, cold tastes better. I was once fond of different layers of coffee lattes, I also whipped differently, different milk. The most delicious is cold milk from a French press. But in an ensemble with coffee, I like to drink a little warmed milk more, although it is not as tasty as cold milk.

Hello! I have been reading the forum for a long time and now I decided to write, because I was completely confused. I have a Bosch mcm5530 harvester, it seems, but I use it very rarely, I thought about a brown multi-wick, although at the beginning I thought to buy Bosch nozzles, (in Moscow it is really possible to do this though, otherwise I read that some have problems with this), but for the price, these nozzles will come out as a new unit (I'm talking about a cube cutter). So I'm thinking of changing my Bosch or buying additional attachments or just learning how to use it. I bought it to cut cabbage, but I could not get used to it - maybe just the habit of cutting it also affects its appearance, although I look at the photos of the craftswomen - everything suits. Can you poke your nose where you can master classes with a detailed description of what kind of disks for what and the result. And, I almost forgot my needs - vegetable salads, grated herring under a fur coat, borscht, frying, cocktails for children, pastries in the future. There is also HP thanks to this forum and site, and the mulinex grinder is also small. Help me figure it out please, otherwise I talk with a knife and a board and wipe the dust from the combine

Bamix is ​​still that name! Swiss quality plus Swiss price. In our Palestinians it is not there either. But even if I had, I would never have taken him for such money.

A different approach dictates a different existence. Or vice versa...
I am with you from the same village. We have all kinds of heaps of blenders on sale. For a long time I chose to buy this from hand blenders, in order to exclude "Russian roulette", that is, I am lucky or unlucky, I like it, I will not like it, etc. I read all forum topics about blenders here, mastered a similar topic on the forum., Studied reviews ... As a result, I bought (from Moscow) this handsome Bamix M160 Deluxe, Purpur Red, and so far I do not regret it a bit. Quite the opposite! Everything that the manufacturer promised - both gorgeous whipped ice-cold milk and mining in 1 minute - everything worked out the first time. Now I'm waiting for a package with Bamix SliceSy.I only regret that I did not immediately take the Bamix M200 Superbox SwissLine, where everything is included at once ...

And Scarlett is a fairly widespread brand. The prices are the lowest, the quality is, say, not lower than the price, and sometimes even somewhere higher.

From what I hear, Scarlett uses cheap plastic. Here I would not dare to check on personal experience how much this corresponds to reality ...

The farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans ... At first I looked closely at the Bosches and Kenwoods, but now I’m thinking, and not to swing at KitchenAid, like this, for example:
One thing is bad - the prices for them ...

Guys, dear ones, can I still torment you?
I have already decided to take Bosch MUM 52120 But now I have a friend like our Nastya .... She has Bosch MUM 4756 EU ... she campaigns for him because there is a meat grinder there ... but it has less power .. How to choose? The prices for the same model in online stores are so different !!!! I want it cheaper ... but in an online store it can be cheaper ... scary ... Tell me who bought what, in Ukraine, so that you can somehow hedge

Thank you

I don't seem scared, if that. There is a model of the 5th series with a meat grinder, but I don't like another thing in the 5th series of Mums - the fact that you can rub and shred there only into the bowl of the combine, it will not work in another bowl. And in my 4756 I chop wherever I want, even in a bag right away.
If all the same from the 5th series, then Bosch MUM 52131 will be with a meat grinder. The difference in price for a meat grinder is about $ 30. e.

[Tuta.]

oh .. and this is where ??

Tuta. And I'm in the next area, if that.

[Manechka]

but now I’m thinking, but not to swing at KitchenAid, like this, for example:

Manechka, and for what purposes did you decide to swing? We are here in the bushes, too, are fighting toad doubts. Between Keechen. Can you join ??

[Manechka]

Go here, Manechka, go ... Yes, and the assistant's price is less and the power is more and the weight is less and the load is more ...

Assistant Original AKM6290B Matt black. Extended set, per set, including VAT: 47 150,00 rubles.
Discount for the promotion 20%: 9,430.00 rubles.
TOTAL for a set including discounts, including VAT: RUB 37,720.00.

Bosch MUM 56340 Styline Average price:RUB 10,860

Professional mixer, Heavy Duty, bowl 6.9 l., White, 5KSM7591XEWH, KitchenAid Price: RUB 43,940

[RUB 43,940]

Professional mixer, Heavy Duty, bowl 6.9 l., White, 5KSM7591XEWH, KitchenAid Price: RUB 43,940

Sasha, and enti Kitchen Aids differ not only in color? I have not met the phrase Heavy Duty yet ... Can you explain what is the difference in them? Otherwise, at Hullut Päevat in Stockmann, they sell them at a big discount, but I have a suspicion that they are some of the weakest model. And I can't figure it out.

Sasha, and enti Kitchen Aids differ not only in color? I have not met the phrase Heavy Duty yet ... Can you explain what is the difference in them? Otherwise, at Hullut Päevat in Stockmann, they sell them with a big discount, but I have a suspicion that some of the weakest model. And I can't figure it out.

The difference is difficult to say, nozzles and a motor ...

[Manechka]

Manechka, and for what purposes did you decide to swing? We are here in the bushes, too, are fighting toad doubts. Between Keechen

I also looked at the assistant, I wanted to buy in Fink. But after the search it turned out that the closest point for us (Peter) is not Finca, but Tallinn. So it makes sense for Rita to think. Kitchen Aid somehow disappeared right away. And my heart calmed down at 5 MUM in less than 10 tyr. And I'm very happy, thanks to Sasha.

People, can you explain such a thing to me. Why is there such a variation in power for planetary mixers? From 300W at Keechen and Kenwood, 800W at Electrolux, 1000W at Bork and 1600W at Bosch ?? I do not understand..

People, can you explain such a thing to me. Why is there such a variation in power for planetary mixers? From 300W at Keechen and Kenwood, 800W at Electrolux, 1000W at Bork and 1600W at Bosch ?? I do not understand..

There is a real power, for example 300 W, and there is a "advertising" power value when the motor shaft is jammed, it will be 800-100-1600 W, depending on the manufacturer, in reality it is the same 200-350 W Indirectly, the real power can be judged by the value in the passport, which is called the power consumption.

in reality, these are the same 200-350W

No, well, namana ..but how to compare ??? Who will give me a passport on an Internet ..

by the way, I looked at 600W for one Bosch and 1600W for another, and the torque is the same - 12000 rpm.

I also looked at the assistant, I wanted to buy in Fink. But after the search it turned out that the closest point for us (Peter) is not Finca, but Tallinn. So it makes sense for Rita to think. Kitchen Aid somehow disappeared right away. And my heart calmed down at 5 MUM in less than 10 tyr. And I'm very happy, thanks to Sasha.

What does it make sense for me to think about? About the Assistant? I don't want him. I have a Kenwood K-mix - also planetary. But, like all Kenwoods, he is very noisy. KitchenIdes are quiet. So I started thinking ... But I'm not at all urgent.

No, well, namana .. but how to compare ??? Who will give me a passport on an Internet ..

by the way, I looked at 600W for one Bosch and 1600W for another, and the torque is the same - 12000 rpm.

instructions with technical characteristics are usually available on offsite sites.
Rotation speed does not mean anything at all, unless it is a mixer with a disc attachment, such as Bamix

[Ksyusha]

Ksyusha, sorry, did not notice your message in this thread.
There are several reasons:
1. The harvester is already old (Mulinex) there is no normal meat grinder, only knives. I'm afraid he'll refuse that soon enough.
2. As practice has shown, a bread machine can not cope with any dough, it is not friendly with brioche.
3. I want to replace all devices (harvester, blender and mixer) with one unit.
4. Convenience. There is no need to stand with a mixer in hand while something is beating or kneading.
5. I want to get a full-fledged meat grinder or see paragraph 1

She looked at the Assistant. I don't know why, I didn't want to.

Manechka, I see. I am current for kneading dough