SoNika
Quote: fffuntic

and you climb in at night while your husband sleeps. If you fix it, you will be cool, and if it does not work out, then no one will know
Not ... there apparently kapets, or bent or jammed, one battery was taken out in parts ... in short, she died in an unequal battle with Cuban greetings, and I just opened the pack ... 1 kg
Wlad
I think that my husband will have a question in the morning, what kind of master comes at night and fixes household appliances
SoNika
Quote: Dark Steppe Eagle

I think that my husband will have a question in the morning, what kind of master comes at night and fixes household appliances
and let it be, I'll already be on duty ... let him think ...
Waist
Quote: fffuntic
If you fix it, you will be cool
Yes, she already drags everything on herself

...
Oh, I'll go get some bread ...




Posted Saturday 11 Mar 2017 04:21 PM

Kat returned from a walk with a broken tail
SoNika
NaTali, we are all different ... and there is something to compare with, and for what ...

For example, I imagine this, how, like spheres of hedgehogs, we rub these edges - thorns, grinding, breaking, pulling out with meat and blood, smoothing ... adjusting msya. And it turns out we learn to endure, to understand each other, not only we them and they us. We do not interfere with each other's life ... people were not married until 30 years old finally, but here I am with a sick child. Thank God he has already straightened out. And then I had 3 children ... my son fed him, and he sleeps by the TV in my opinion ... even the dog shied away

The main thing is the health of loved ones, harmony, because you look at some couples and think that I would be with .. on the same field ... and they adore e (e, ho) ...
$ vetLana
Nika, add kitchen technique. You can't see what kind of coffee machine you have
SoNika
Quote: $ vetLana

Nika, add kitchen technique. Otherwise, I can't see what kind of coffee machine you have
Delongey, I'll go make a cupcake, I'll make a zebra, paint it ... in our HP, I probably can't bake that way ...
fffuntic
aha, Nika, and I see that you have been together for a lifetime. You have something special for a long time and it's all little things, ugh, ugh. Someone desperately needs a balance of care, while someone has so much of their own that there will be enough for all relatives and more neighbors
My you understand, my husband and I are complete notharmony. In his place, I would not even marry mnu, but for some reason he doesn't run away

mamusi
DeFochki and boys! Explain ... pliz, whole grain bread (well, partly c / s) in HP 2501 What kind of Program to bake!
I read everything, but I got even more confused ... don't swear ~ such a streak in life ... Confused fsya ...
fffuntic
Quote: mamusi

DeFochki and boys! Explain ... pliz, whole grain bread (well, partly c / s) in HP 2501 What kind of Program to bake!
I read everything, but I got even more confused ... don't swear ~ such a streak in life ... Confused fsya ...
if you only have a supplement of CH, and just wheat at least 50 percent, then what kind of bakes you want. At least the main one.
If your ZZ is more than 50 percent, then it is better to play it safe and bake on a dietary one.
But if the central locking system turns out to be generally lower than the plinth and even does not work on a dietary one, then it is possible with standing try one grain.
If the CZ does not withstand this one, then there are dances with tambourines with cooling in the refrigerator before the diet program.
SoNika
Quote: fffuntic

aha, Nika, and I see that you have been together for a lifetime. but something he doesn't run away
your energy, character, attitude, what do you give ...

my friend loves to explain everything with a vector ring, but we influence each other and it is important how we change, where, what we give to each other, we complement ...
for example, it is important for me that he helped me grow, and did not block, and when I want to give up, in an impulse, from the leadership, he dissuades me, logically convincing ... but I don’t know what is at the forefront of me or mani, in in this case together ..will be 25 years old, married 21 ... yo mayo




Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 04:41 PM

Quote: mamusi

I read everything, but I got even more confused ... don't swear ~ such a streak in life ... Confused fsya ...
Rita, I’m worse, don’t worry.
fffuntic
And in general ... well, make it a rule to feed the CH with two or three spoons of whey (absolutely a little bit, only as an improver). And the flour will be stronger and the taste will only benefit.
and if it turns out to be very weak .. then heavy artillery in the form of a pinch of ascorbic acid.
mamusi
Quote: fffuntic
well, make it a rule to feed the CZ with two or three tablespoons of whey
I always bake everything on whey. For her in the house is the sea!)))
I add c / z flour to flour with 2 ~ 3 spoons almost always. All type ~ top.
It's not about that .... I've heard about the alleged Whole Grain Bread Program in Panas 2501, so I asked. For I saw only One-grain, but this is different.


Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 4:55 pm

Quote: fffuntic
If the CZ does not withstand this one, then there are dances with tambourines with cooling in the refrigerator before the diet program.
nooo ... dances with tambourines are not needed ..
So fine. The flour is good.
I haven't tried 50% yet, I'll try ... dietary? This is what, I'll go see. I have it for 5 hours ...
fffuntic
Whole grain is dietary. In Russian dietary, in bourgeois whole grain. Yeah, 5 hours. And then there is spelled in bourgeois, and in Russian one-grain.
If you have ordinary flour more CZ, then don't worry. Peki is used to it.
$ vetLana
mamusi, Rita, in the book to Panas there is a recipe for 100% cz bread, the cat is baked on the Diet program. I baked it when I just bought HP. I did not like.
SoNika
Quote: $ vetLana

Nika, add kitchen technique. Otherwise, I can't see what kind of coffee machine you have
Svetlana, abandoned business, tried to add equipment, half of its names are not there and or firms ..., even the blender is not the same, I have in my suitcase ... that shmogla


Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 05:20 PM

Quote: mamusi

I haven't tried 50% yet, I'll try ... dietary? This is what, I'll go see. I have it for 5 hours ...
Margarita, I baked on the advice of the girls on the main, on whey, but not 100%, but 1: 3 somewhere I worked with the sun, everything worked out well (for us). It is desirable to immediately put it on yeast, and cover with BC flour.
mamusi
Quote: fffuntic
there is spelled in bourgeois, and in Russian one-grain.
Here. I just wanted to ask. What kind of One-grain ... how to understand the name itself? .. 'ONE' ~ who knows .... What is One in it?
Why was it called that?


Posted Saturday 11 Mar 2017 5:28 PM

Quote: $ vetLana
mamusi, Rita, in the book to Panas there is a recipe for 100% cz bread, the cat is baked on the Diet program. I baked it when I just bought HP. I did not like.
just looking at the Book ... I read the recipe.
Svetul, why didn't you like it?
You don't like the taste of c / z flour /
Or did the bread fail?
fffuntic
Rita, this question Natalie already puzzled. The answer was not found in the logic of the translated name.
Spelled in bourgeois and everything is immediately clear.

It is also dietary .. the name neither to the village nor to the city. A whole grain and immediately clear.
Natasha speltovy-single-grain has carefully studied and so far refutations that this is a mode for very weak no flour. The original, untested mode. It seems to me that with the obligatory standing, it could replace the dietary one, which is good for everyone, except for 5 hours.
$ vetLana
Margarita, heavy and tasteless. Maybe I was unlucky with flour? Everything that baked from tsz was bitter. Or do I feel this way?
mamusi
Quote: fffuntic * JOKINGLY * link = topic = 197192.0 date = 1489242718
all good, except for 5 hours.
and than 5 hours did not please. Do you think Khlebushk will outplay? Long?

Svetul, I am looking at page 21. It is pure bread, but on the back of page 22 there is 200 + 200 flour. I could bake in half on Dietichesky.
I'll try one of these days, but without the olives. What for?
I love olives separately!)
fffuntic
Quote: $ vetLana

Margarita, heavy and tasteless. Maybe I was unlucky with flour? Everything that baked from tsz was bitter. Or do I feel this way?
was bitter
definitely spoiled flour. Whole grain flour is very shelf-sensitive. Should be in the refrigerator, you buy in the store, take it with a margin of time.The dry taste should not taste bitter in any case. If it rolls with an ordinary one, with a central locking, it will turn out very disgusting


Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 05:36 PM

Quote: mamusi

and than 5 hours did not please. Do you think Khlebushk will outplay? Long?

...

Rita, so that she does not overeat less yeast and, on the contrary, tastes better when it is longer.
Don't ... just wait impatiently
mamusi
Quote: $ vetLana
and tasteless. Maybe I was unlucky with flour? Everything that baked from tsz was bitter. Or do I feel this way?
light, for sure, no luck! ...
I love the smell and taste of c / z flour ...
I enjoy it!))) I even add 1 spoonful of wholeness to Natasha's Daily. mtski. And one rye. You can hardly tell by the color then, and the smell benefits from this and the taste is richer. So it seems to me.


Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 05:41 PM

Quote: fffuntic
just unbearable to wait
Samv is so ...
But I put it, now, leaving for work ... I work half a day ... I came ~ ready!
Low yeast ~ great solution too!)
And just do our Panasik fellow!
The best choice.
I'm not overjoyed!)
fffuntic
Well ... ordinary white flour is the poorest in terms of substance. In regular flour, only one thing is best - a lot of gluten.
And in a whole grain heap of additional substances, in rye all sorts of necessary bacteria settle faster. So ... of course additives have to add a lot of flavor.
This is why whey improves the taste so much. There is nothing in white flour. To grow, you need a long time or a delicious and ready-made additive. Doughs, starters, whole grains, whey, old dough, rye flour ... anything that is richer in bacteria and substances.
$ vetLana
It's good that they prompted me with the withers. Just bought Franz. A little thing. I'll put it in the hall.
fffuntic
Quote: $ vetLana

It's good that they prompted me with the withers. Just bought Franz. A little thing. I'll put it in the hall.
in a bag so that it does not absorb odors.
The taste should be fresh, sweetish. If just neutral .. not the first freshness. We must cook soon
SoNika
Quote: $ vetLana

It's good that they prompted me with the withers. Just bought Franz. A little thing. I'll put it in the hall.
Stafa
I have a French thing CZ (package 2kg) lived for three years and nothing happened to it at room temperature in a box. But with tsz flour I baked bread with additives - with seeds and sesame seeds, and half and half with premium flour. But I won't buy it anymore.
fffuntic
By the way ... CZ is generally recommended to be stored even in the freezer. Just let it warm up a little before cooking.



Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 6:03 PM

Quote: Stafa

I have a French thing CZ (package 2kg) lived for three years and nothing happened to it at room temperature in a box. But with tsz flour I baked bread with additives - with seeds and sesame seeds, and half and half with premium flour. But I won't buy it anymore.
there was an amazing CZ. In my refrigerator (I did not store it in the freezer, it is always clogged with me) it spoils only in this way. A live central locking system cannot but deteriorate. She, like a living product, should die in six months and the living oils in it should turn rancid in the heat.
CZ love bugs. She's delicious to them.
$ vetLana
fffuntic, This is even better. Now the freezer has already been freed from frozen. vegetables.
And rye tsz. where to store?
fffuntic
Look. Whole grain - means live grains with oils and useful living substances. It's definitely kept in the refrigerator. In no way warm.
But is it possible in the freezer ... FIG knows. Usually bacteria like rye more, but they do not tolerate frost.

It makes sense to clarify this question more precisely.


Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 06:31 PM

Freezing ... it's not an easy process. It's like with meat, it is preserved, but it is not fresh.
Therefore, as far as I understand, the same thing is with live flour. Because in flour we keep the same proteins and fats as in meat.
Therefore, I think, but suddenly I'm wrong, there is no technologist here who would confirm that freezing not in shock form, but in the way in our freezer, should slightly change the properties.


Rye flour is richer in protein composition than wheat flour. It rather deteriorates. I suppose that a little to the detriment of the lively taste, it can and should be shoved into the freezer if there is a lot of it.
It will remain intact.But how much will it lose in taste? may not lose ...

If you can cook it quickly, it's probably better to just a very chilled product.

Logically so.
But in practice, you should try to cook from the freezer and simply from the refrigerator shelf according to one recipe and compare.




Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 06:41 PM

And yet .. I suppose that the bulk of the flour lies in the freezer, and the one that we will use in advance we leave in the refrigerator, and only then in the warmth.
Well, it's better to defrost meat in the cold. Squirrels do not like sharp temperature changes.
and we have living flour.
Even if these are extra dances with tambourines, they definitely will not make it worse.
Wlad
People ... tell me what to do now ... bought without reading a large pack
Et now in a week they can be thrown out or what ??? Or is it possible to somehow extend the shelf life?
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)
$ vetLana
Dark steppe eagle, I keep yeast in the refrigerator.
fffuntic
every time you open this pack, you will kill the yeast. They die from direct contact with air and heat.
Therefore, immediately spread out into smaller packs that you will use. These packs must be hermetically sealed, very hermetically packed, leaving as little air as possible in them.
Luda used such packages and kept them somewhere, I remember exactly. But now I am leaving, at night I will look properly. I'm afraid to send you to the freezer right away.

I'll look tonight and write here.
or while hermetically sealed the pack in foil, wrap it several times and wait until night until I find what to do with them
Wlad
Svetlana, yes, I somehow did not think about the method and time of storage before ... since I always used small bags ... In general, as they say, there was no sadness, but a woman bought herself a pig ... that's how I have it now


Posted Saturday 11 Mar 2017 6:53 PM

Elena thank you very much
fffuntic
Vlad .. Luda-marianna-yeah at one time only used instant packs. But you won't find what you need right away. We must rummage. A little bit later
Wlad
Yes, I'm not in a hurry ... the pack has not yet been printed
mamusi
Girls, I read you and I am amazed ...
Why do you eat so little bread?
How can you waste flour?
I buy 2 kg French thing ... flies away in a month!))
I keep all three flours in a row in plastic containers on the table in the kitchen: B / s, C / z, Peeled rye. I buy in addition, pour it into a container.
It wasn't that something was lost, burned out, rotten !!
When buying, I just look at the date of manufacture.
I will never keep flour in the refrigerator ...
$ vetLana
Dark steppe eagle, I buy small bags, immediately put them in the hall (I store them in a box with 0 temp.). I close the open sachet with an Ikeevsky clip.


Posted Saturday 11 Mar 2017 18:59

mamusi, Rita, I very rarely bake - one bread a week, about. Can you imagine how much I will stretch 2 kg cz?
mamusi
I'm happy with my bread.
I bake 4 ~ 5 favorite loaves.
Well, sometimes I try something new ...
Failures are rare, mostly from experimentation, if only ... but less and less of it.
Favorite: Natashin daily, Fugaskin Darnitsky, my Borodinsky, Grushin Italian on kefir. On unstrained Mistletoe serum (with my modifications already)))
Wlad
Svetlana, I did the same, but the other day it turned out that the cat cried out the yeast in the bag and the last bag turned out to be, so I thought about the big one, and then I turned up my arm, you can say
mamusi
Quote: $ vetLana
mamusi, Rita, I very rarely bake - one bread a week, about. Can you imagine how much I will stretch 2 kg cz?
then it is clear, Light ...
When my husband is at home, I bake every day. When he is not there in a day ~ two ...
I give it to my son ... To my friend ... Bread somehow flies away.
Bread soul I ..
Elena Bo
I have been using only such packs for more than 10 years. Very sparing and the yeast is good.
Open a large pack of yeast (corner), pour it into a small jar with a tight lid (I have a plastic one for the medicine). Tighten the rest tightly so that there is no air in the pack and clamp it with a clip (I have a clip for papers). Store the pack on the refrigerator door, and you can keep the jar in the kitchen and pour the yeast into it after it is empty.
mamusi
Yes, then it's better in the cold, you, Light, right. But it's not worth it in the freezer, I think. It will be overkill.
$ vetLana
mamusi, looked in the internet. It is recommended to store TsZ in the freezer. I still need to read.
Waist
Quote: fffuntic
every time you open this pack, you will kill the yeast. They die from direct contact with air and heat.
Therefore, immediately spread out into smaller packs that you will use. These packs must be hermetically sealed, very hermetically packed, leaving as little air as possible in them.
Luda used such packages and kept them somewhere, I remember exactly. But now I am leaving, at night I will look properly. I'm afraid to send you to the freezer right away.

I'll look tonight and write here.
or while hermetically sealed the pack in foil, wrap it several times and wait until night until I find what to do with them
Here is instant yeast, which are packaged by the manufacturer itself hermetically, and there are those that are packaged with air and all the yeast charm is easily poured inside.
Lena, when you read to Luda, you may come across this moment. I remember what she had about yeast that needs to be kept in the air before use, but I don't remember exactly.That's why I wrote that the yeast dispenser in 2512 ovens is a special technological item, probably for certain yeast, because they are now very different.
Now if you get caught, please don't pass by
$ vetLana
Quote: fffuntic
And yet .. I suppose that the bulk of the flour lies in the freezer, and the one that we will use in advance we leave in the refrigerator, and only then in the warmth. Well, it's better to defrost meat in the cold. Squirrels do not like sharp temperature changes. and we have living flour. Even if these are extra dances with tambourines, they definitely will not make it worse.
Waist
Quote: Dark Steppe Eagle
Svetlana, but I somehow did not think about the method and time of storage before ...
We, too, did not think about many things before, but now we know and observe something, because it is important for bread. You will also learn and get used to it And "all the way" we will all learn, learn, improve ...
Wlad
Quote: Elena Bo
Open a large packet of yeast (corner)
Thank you, I'll try to do so
Quote: Waist
You will learn and get used to it too
Well, yes ... with my "Phenomenal" memory, the main thing is not to forget what I was taught and what I got used to .. In my head, the information lingers for a short time ... probably due to frequent drafts in the apartment, everything is blown out through my ears
Thank you all very much for such useful information.
SoNika
Good evening. I have an ambush, what is it lately? As a business woman, she put flour mixed 150 +50 CZ and the first with 300g. Sun and 5 eggs, all according to the recipe and set at 19 ... and there it is not kneaded in the corners in crumbly lumps So it beeps. I have interfered, I'll take a look

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)
I'm shocked!
Waist
Nika, something is wrong. Which recipe is complete? maybe they forgot something or did something wrong. What was that even supposed to be, cupcake?


Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 7:52 pm

There are errors in the instructions for the HP-s for the CIS, maybe this. Tell me the recipe.

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