Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)

[prepare]

... this very apple began to look not so hot, ..

but I will not overpersuade about direct contact with microwaves.

No wonder there are safety requirements. It was not for nothing that the USSR did not immediately start up the equipment for the general population.
If you remember, the first electron beam screens for computers. If you left apples on them, the picture would be even more interesting.
Therefore, there is a warning in the manuals. You must not be on the back panel during operation of the devices, you must not look during operation. The micro door is made with a protective screen.

You can't talk on your cell phone for hours.

Yes, microwaves are harmful in direct contact. And those around the device are not even those inside. Because radiation from different electronic devices of the structure is superimposed.

Therefore, it is quite possible to talk about the dangers of micro in the same vein as from any emitting electronic device.
During work, do not spin near meters prohibited by the instruction.

But, it's like getting into the stove while baking. Direct heat is killing us too.

therefore prepare in micro and be exposed to spurious radiation close ... different things. Unfortunately, all electronics more or less radiate.
Moreover, this radiation is not radioactive. That is, it is free of residual particles. Valid during the period of operation of the device.

To put the question strictly, then micro is safe subject to safety rules. In fact, if you put her in a small room and sit next to her while she is working ... yes ... you can't do that. And you shouldn't keep food on it. The only thing is that this radiation acts only near, at a very short distance.

Now, if only lightly cook the apple even in the oven and leave it on the table. How long would it last?
Apples on micro violated safety rules and were not fully cooked by residual radiation, I dare to assume that micro was close to the wall and there was a strong reflection from the back panel towards the apples, because there is practically no radiation from the metal casing on top, and this should have start the decay process sooner.

Vlad, and if this apple had been stored on a periodically working stove, it probably would have changed in the same way.

Well, the fact is that the manufacturers of microwave ovens convince us that all processes take place only inside and outside the microwave oven nothing gets ... that's the paradox

Well, the fact is that the manufacturers of microwave ovens convince us that all processes take place only inside and outside the microwave oven nothing gets ... that's the paradox

There are whole prohibition clauses in the instructions. About the back panel, about the distance from the walls, the prohibition of flattery during work.
and more ... according to medical requirements, if, for example, the radiation acts no further than 20 centimeters from the surface, and the instructions say, set no closer than 20 cm, then the conditions seem to be met.

Modern devices are highly protected, but ... not super-ideal. Otherwise, they would not talk about the harm of cell phones.

How secure are they? yes, what kind of metal they put on the casing., the quality of the protective screen .. maybe yes, from advanced manufacturers, a few cm are obtained there

micro stood close to the wall and there was a strong reflection from the back panel towards the apples

A vase with this unfortunate tortured apple was on the microwave, and the microwave really stood before the wall, but I think that the distance was much greater ... but then moved further from the kitchen

[Vlad.]

Vlad...if you asked whether it is possible to live on a microwave, then, of course, I would say: keep at a distance from it, according to the instructions. Maybe meters, maybe centimeters. Who will take care of the protection of the manufacturers.
But I also would not advise you to bask in the oven

But I advise you to use and cook in it. A wonderful convenient device in all respects. And safe.
The apple died because it was not cooked to the end, and not figs to sit where it should not

not fig sit where you shouldn't

Already where they put ...

Len, here you arranged an educational program for us. Everyone immediately ran away to read the instructions for their micro and remove all the "C" ...

Girls, thank you very much for your advice, it is very interesting to communicate with you, you are very interesting interlocutors, but my eyes are already closing themselves, it's time to go to the pot and to the cradle Good night everyone

Goodnight! Even though you "disperse" us, it's time for me to sleep too

Everyone immediately ran away to read the instructions

yes no ... everyone has been sleeping for a long time ... current we are midnight

Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 00:13

It's time for me to sleep too

How much time do you have?

3 hours behind Moscow. But yesterday I hardly slept, so I need to rest already.

Last thing. I somehow always a priori knew that the most dangerous place for emitting devices is the back panel.
Hardly anyone can defend her to the end.
This also applies to TVs and so on.
Therefore, it is not recommended to keep it near food, near a person. Therefore, if the instructions say a distance of 20 cm from the wall. So, just for every fireman, do it yourself, while you work from behind, do not approach.

3 hours behind Moscow. But yesterday I hardly slept, so I need to rest already.

well, my time is near Moscow
So Natalia, go to bed urgently, otherwise tomorrow you will look like this: -...

Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 00:20

Elena thank you very much

Natasha look at the top wall of the MV. There are ventilation slots (in the common people - blinds) for heat dissipation. And Vlad has apples above them. I'm going to sleep too

I also read that you cannot sit on an induction hob when it is turned on.

[Vitaly]

Vitaly, Vlad

You are right, a modern microwave oven must be completely protected from radiation leakage during operation of the device. Completely. from all sides.

But devices are not made by gods, but people. I specifically looked at where the leak in the microwave could be.

There are two points in micro, as it were, requiring increased attention. The magnetron must be protected and there must be a proper metal casing.
However, these very ventilation holes are always present in the metal casing. The key word is "hole", that is, lack of tightness.

Also, the protective seal on the microwave door can be imperceptibly damaged. The key word here is "spoiled"

That is why it is so important magnetron protection inside, otherwise there may be a little leak.

I specifically looked with one eye at how this technology is being implemented today. Today it has been rolled and processed into the tail and mane. Therefore, modern stoves, if not assembled on the knee in the nearest basement, meet very high safety requirements.

But if the stove is more than 10 years old, that is, the technique is old, then everything is not so rosy.
The metal casing has been great for a long time. But with the protection of the magnetron, the old stoves were worse.
The protective material has improved a lot only recently.
Therefore, there is a chance of a small leak in the old microwave oven, no matter how much I would like to admit it. Especially if the magnetron protection is worn out, and if the protective seals are already extremely old.

The only thing is that these leaks, even in old stoves, rarely exceed 5 cm from the device, and this is already considered very much and cause serious harm to health not can. But even such a stove is considered absolutely subject to destruction.

Therefore, if your stove is very old, or the seal is loose on the door, or even hit it during transportation, that is, there could be microcracks inside ... then you should check the stove.

Well, you have arranged a discussion here!
I gave my first micra to my wife for her 50th birthday, in a month, so it has been 15 years ago.

He examined her purely out of curiosity.
The frequency-wavelength (determined by the magnetron resonator, the manufacturers of which for stoves can be counted on the fingers) are declared 2.450 GHz or 12.24 cm.
The largest holes in the microscope have a transverse size of less than 1 cm (and even made with overlapping in the form of blinds) That is, three times less than a quarter of the wavelength. Thus, using the Fresnel-Huygens principle, you can get that such a trifle comes out that you shouldn't even talk about seriously. In any case, much below the limit of biological effects.
In short, everything is reasonably well protected.

And if all this protection suddenly interferes with someone, you can try to remove it on ... And it will be fine too. Like in Chernobyl.

But be afraid black cat Of course, every user has the right to microwave radiation from the stove.

Gentlemen, one question arose, tell me pliz, is it worth messing with flour that has lain for about a week in a car that is on the street ... the question is related to the fact that it’s like spring and damp, but we are not talking about one pack ...
I would be very glad to hear the opinion of experts

Gentlemen, one question arose, tell me pliz, is it worth messing with flour that has lain for about a week in a car that is on the street ... the question is related to the fact that it’s like spring and damp, but we are not talking about one pack ...
I would be very glad to hear the opinion of experts

make bread out of it and it will immediately become clear. If the flour is sick, which it has not absorbed, it immediately affects the taste and smell. Flour can hide nothing.

More .. you smell it dry and try. Should be sweetish without foreign smells and tastes.
If you start to taste a little bitter, then it is already stale and is considered bad. Although I don't throw it away if it tastes a little bitter.

Elena Yes, the fact of the matter is that they do not allow to try. you must immediately take at least 1 package

now it's not hot outside, and less than a week - a little. If it was well packed in polyethylene, it is unlikely to have accumulated anything. The main question is how well it was packed.
If it's poorly packed, then it's scary to take. Will it stink technically and what to do with it?

Elena, Thank you very much for thinking it over and remembering that miser pays twice, decided to abandon this venture ...

Elena, Thank you very much for thinking it over and remembering that miser pays twice, decided to abandon this venture ...

Well, yes ... it's somehow indecent not to give it a try. It wouldn’t have been enough to sell one pack for trial.
Buy packaging and throw it away, somehow weird.

Good day, bakers. I share the problem that has arisen, maybe I will warn anyone. Today the coffee machine began to creak and refused to give us coffee, tired of us. We disassembled it as much as possible, and then .... a set of small batteries - 3 pieces, one is gone ... and now we have been trying to clean it with tweezers and a vacuum cleaner for more than half an hour. no use, it bursts and that's it ... I opened the package in the evening and poured coffee ... from Cuba ...
I understand, now that you need to sort out coffee, like a Cinderella, before laying it down, but the machine does not work .. everything I can rake ...

Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 12:42 PM

Elena, Thank you very much for thinking it over and remembering that miser pays twice, decided to abandon this venture ...

Have you tasted it?

[Nika]

Nika, but you can not calm down and gently spin the car? the main thing before that, take a photo and write down each step, so that later during assembly you will not find an extra part.
What's terrible there? tea not laptop
do not use force. Spin everything gently and lovingly, slowly and with pictures

[Nika]

Nika, but you can not calm down and gently spin the car? the main thing before that, take a photo and write down each step, so that later during assembly you will not find an extra part.
What's terrible there? tea not laptop
do not use force. Unroll everything gently and lovingly, slowly and with pictures

Oh, Lena, thank you ... I don't climb already ... I've gotten overwhelmed ... I'm sitting overloading ... let it twist ... whatever it wants ...

that lan ... quieter, my husband is the same, if I break something with him, then noise for half a day
This is Selyavi. Someone in the family is always choleric
But, most importantly, nothing can be done in the puffs and the machine cannot be started with a piece of iron inside. And there is nothing to be scared to make out.

that lan ... quieter, my husband is the same, if I break something with him, then the noise for half a day. Someone in the family is always choleric

but .. let ... all one cannot be stopped, whether the hedgehog has magnetized from the sofa so abruptly,: girl-yes: now it will run like a hare on batteries and whip up cursing .. then calm down ... I'll go read it .. By the way, I I didn’t understand which bread he liked better, gave out that they were all the same ... I was even stunned .. I argued that this one with a rubber crumb, this one with air .. this one didn’t penetrate. The younger one will come from training, I'll try. A friend liked the TK, for me each is tasty in its own way and I disappeared, as I switched to my bread, the plaguing heartburn.

Ah .. men are space, do not drive. And who said that women are more emotional?
I realized long ago that men live less, because they react strongly to every nonsense, either externally or internally.
And I have been cooking my stupidly for a long time to everyone's taste. And in general, everyone's tastes are diametrically different.
Mnu's husband does not perceive sweets at all, so it’s better for me, but he no longer has: he has to share fish and beer with me

Ah .. men are space, do not drive. And who said that women are more emotional?
I realized long ago that men live less, because they react strongly to every nonsense, either externally or internally.
And I have been cooking my stupidly for a long time to everyone's taste. And in general, everyone's tastes are diametrically different.
Mnu's husband does not perceive sweets at all, so it’s better for me, but he no longer has: he has to share fish and beer with me

aha .., but I'm trying to wean off beer with fish ... Of course we don't eat sweets, but like an evening, shouting from the kitchen "Give me candy" or "Do we have sweets?"

my sister lives without HP. And for once, an uninvited conscience crawled out of my mind, and I say to her so selflessly: do you want me to give you my Panasik?
but she refused: she says and so there is no life from your rolls
And you say ... the husband doesn't feel something. In general, I mnu all the people, including girlfriends, are against baking. They cannot resist, but they swear.

tea not laptop

With laptops and computers it is much easier, at least there is no bucket which, if you put it on the wrong side, starts to whistle and creak

[Nika]

With laptops and computers it is much easier, at least there is no bucket which, if you put it on the wrong side, starts to whistle and creak

will kick us out for the flood. But the laptop is my weak point. Recently I flooded my own at night and, like a monkey, ran with him throughout the apartment. Unscrewed it in half. And some of the cogs are somehow special. Not a single screwdriver takes. Need, apparently, was a service.
And I see where it is necessary to unscrew and dry and from where it flows, but I cannot. This is how my nook died before my eyes. It was terrible

But the next morning my husband felt bad when I took away his technique with a knife at his throat.

Nika, count what I endured and resisted

[Nika]

but this is not a flood .. life .. can we create a topic for these purposes where you can discuss the problem that has arisen ... so as not to be afraid ...?

Posted Saturday 11 Mar 2017 02:22 PM

They will kick us out for a flood. But the laptop is my weak point. Nika, count what I endured and resisted

yes, I sympathize ... I would be very upset ... mine is in the kitchen. countertop, lately, I've been launching video recipes into battle, otherwise I get bored of running around and printing, I've already drowned in paper recipes
Thanks to the moderators for your understanding.

They'll give us a neck in here. Here you can only discuss bread. Shoutbox here
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=317.0

[Nikusha]

By the way, I still did not understand which bread he liked better, I gave out that they were all the same ... I was even stunned .. I proved that this one with a rubber crumb, this one with air .. This one did not penetrate.

Nikusha, and offer your husband to bake bread!?!? Men like it very much too, you can see for yourself on our topic. And you will unload yourself a little, and your husband will have something to do, and also a responsible one - there should be bread in the house, and should be in a certain state on time - cooled down and reached full readiness.
Can you try to offer him!?!?

[fffuntic]

fffuntic, bread maker links must be made active

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=317.0

You need to select the link and click on the "globe" button (the hyperlink is called)

while writing, she corrected ...

[Vitaly]

Vitaly ... A flaw on the forum. It is necessary to make a "thank you" or "I like" button on the top of the message

They'll give us a neck in here. Here you can only discuss bread. Shoutbox here
Just communication

Although the chatter is there, but the beginning was here ...

This morning I read the instructions for my micro: out of 26 points, we break 6.
But in the instructions for my micron nothing is written about the zone of detachment during the operation of the microwave, that is, nothing is indicated about the critical distance that must be observed. The obligatory setting points are the heights: from the floor, and from the surface of the micro to something above it.

Natasha look at the top wall of the MV. There are ventilation slots (in the common people - blinds) for heat dissipation.

On my stove, these blinds are located on the back wall. For the minimum allowable distance, props protrude, so you can't push it close to the wall.

Posted Saturday 11 Mar 2017 02:50 PM

Our BIG mistake is that the micra is used as a shelf. For many years it just stood there and never turned it on, but began to use it and did not even read the instructions. As a result, like Vlad, sometimes medications were on the microscope, it is no longer worth writing about the effect

Posted Saturday 11 Mar 2017 2:52 PM

I now think that talking about microwaves is very appropriate in a specialized topic, because there are a lot of those who do not know and doubt. But who would have explained so thoroughly before ...

[cats]

So, it has already been found out that a modern micro should be safe from all sides, and if something comes out of a very old and deceased woman, then no further than 5 cm from the body and it does not threaten health at all if the eyes and nose are not pushed close to a faulty stove so that it does not heat up instead of soup.

But protection from the fool is that. Therefore, even in this case, the stove is destroyed. To cats they did not imprison her, and then did not complain. Cats can only sit on a new modern

Our stove is already 14 years old. And only now, thanks to our conversation, I read the instructions for my micro. I read a lot of interesting things. A lot is for those who are not in the subject. Thanks for the word, and for the continuation!
Well, here's how to interrupt a conversation and go somewhere else.

[not]

A little bit more.

14 years is a bit too much. The technology is old.
However, if the manufacturer has a name, most likely it was of high quality.

Leaks are triggered only near the case for a few centimeters and this is just heat exposure.

I will quote
The degree of danger of leaks. Microwave radiation is the same radio emission as visible light or radio waves, but not is ionizing radiation that causes cancer or radioactivity. The only known risk of microwaves leaking is high heat generation. It is very dangerous for the eyes (can lead to cataracts) and for the testes (can cause temporary sterility). High levels of microwave radiation can only cause skin burns.

Well, if, I repeat, you lean your nose and eyes directly to the body or some other places
only at a faulty stove.

14 years is a bit too much.

I already understood ...

The degree of danger of leaks. ...

Let's create a topic there ... like "Educational program" ....? about what?

[heat]

Well, you can't erase words from a song. If the door seal is broken, or the stove is dropped from the cabinet with cracks in the magnetron protection, and the stove is more than 10 years old, that is, the materials are old, then it will become faulty and a leak is possible at a small distance from the case, a few centimeters heat non-hazardous radiation.
Which acts only during the operation of the device and can cause a burn of the mucous membranes, if they are brought close to the affected area.

Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 03:22 PM

Well, you have arranged a discussion here!
I gave the first micra to my wife for her 50th birthday, in a month, so it has been 15 years ago.

He examined her purely out of curiosity.
The frequency-wavelength (determined by the magnetron resonator, the manufacturers of which for stoves can be counted on the fingers) are declared 2.450 GHz or 12.24 cm.
The largest holes in the microscope have a transverse size of less than 1 cm (moreover, they are made with overlapping in the form of blinds). That is, three times less than a quarter of the wavelength. Thus, using the Fresnel-Huygens principle, you can get that such a trifle comes out that you shouldn't even talk about seriously. In any case, much below the limit of biological effects.
In short, everything is reasonably well protected.

And if all this protection suddenly interferes with someone, you can try to remove it on ... And it will be fine too. Like in Chernobyl.

But be afraid black cat Of course, every user has the right to microwave radiation from the stove.

slightly underestimated the power, except for the frequency.
In case of a leak, it is enough for a few centimeters from the body.
Usually no more than 5 cm.This is a well-known fact from the experience of repairing ancient microwave ovens
But then again ... there is no need to exaggerate the horror story, but in theory it does not interfere with knowing

good topic, right ...
At Thalia, you see, they saved you - it's time to get a fashionable MVP
Sorry, I was not in the access zone ... Flood, this is when it is voluminous, but we have a norm.
Yes, Len's characters are important.

A friend, 85% choleric, once complained about her husband phlegm (well, almost 95% is a rare case!)
Not understanding came to a divorce ... she complained that he was sitting silently at the TV, but I come home from work, smoke, share, but he doesn't care, as if against a wall. What kind of life is this. I invited her to imagine the same choleric in a pair, and when she comes and sparks, then he sparks in response, it will be ... big drum! And so you balance each other, he extinguishes, you spur.

good topic, right ...
At Thalia, you see, they saved you - it's time to get a fashionable MVP

well, if civilized. Then you call the master with the instrument. He pokes them around the stove with an important look and everything will immediately become clear. But it can be expensive and there are also cheap consumer tests. If the stove in the house is still from the grandmother, it may be worth checking. Although .. if you do not meddle close to the body, then let it "flow" to your health. The main thing is not to keep apples on it with medicines

I have a new one ... 2-3 current years, with bio cover, good, but I don't use all the bells and whistles and modes, I stupidly sterilize, warm up and defrost sometimes. This unit is the only one that I do not fully exploit and do not study. So buy Natasha.
The coffee machine was not repaired ... I went to bungle something, while my area is free, maybe noodles ... Girls, but our HP just make a bookmark, press. Claudia and that's it?

Girls and our HP just make a bookmark, press. Claudia and that's it?

Well, this is the easiest option, for very business and busy
And the rest is for those who especially want to get some special effects in bread

Or I didn’t understand what and what was said

[Nika]

Nika, if a proven recipe, then do so.

Or I didn’t understand what and what was said

about noodles, the other day a drying came for her, I want to drive an atlas ... not a boar was purchased ...
Oh, Svetlan, I don't know, I'm used to the pens, but in the recipe for the dough sheeter 1: 100, I tried it

...
The coffee machine didn't fix ...

and you climb in at night while your husband sleeps. If you fix it, you'll be cool, and if it doesn't work out, no one will know