Utensils for cooking (pots, pans, lids) (2)

[Umka19]

Umka19, Luda, the sizes of my pans:

small: top 15.5 cm, bottom 12 cm
bigger: top 21 cm, bottom 15.5 cm

[Svetlenki]

sizes of my pans:

Svetlenki, Sveta,

[Umka19]

Umka19, Ludmila,

I came to tease you

Haven't you bought a lodge yet? Here's my omelet in it

Dear members of the forum, tell me, please, how to cook in cast-iron gosyatnitsy, covered with enamel, in the oven and is it possible in the oven? In particular, I am interested in the question of how to bake a whole goose stuffed with apples. What is the temperature and how long? I baked it somehow, but the goose did not fit completely, those lids were practically on top of the goose and, accordingly, the goose was not completely closed. I cooked for 3 hours, it seems to be 170 gr. (advice from the Internet) It turned out very dry and looks like jerky. I made meat, the lid was already completely closed, added sauce and water, but the meat again turned out to be dry and tasted like jerky. The water has boiled away and the sauce is burnt. I read about the extraordinary softness and taste of geese and meat cooked in cast-iron goose pans, but I have some kind of misunderstanding at the exit. I would be very grateful if you teach me how to use such dishes in the oven. I honestly read the topic, but I did not find it about the cooking technology in such dishes.
PS The dishes are expensive and I want the price and all that time spent on the preliminary preparation of products, and then washing the dishes, to pay off in full with delicious food.

Last week, I was hooked in the supermarket by Bauer polls. Today they call - you won something there, come to the presentation, take the gift. There will be master classes and other enticements.
The question, sobsna, is: what to expect? Another razvodilovo or a decent company? Was anyone at their presentations?
On the site I see a very diverse assortment - from a juicer and pans to bed linen)

[Chardonnay]

Chardonnay, Ritait is possible that these surveyors have nothing to do with a reputable firm. And most likely there will be another razvodilovo.

[Aya]

Aya, I'll just give some "Punchinel's advice" ... Although it's here, in this thread, probably offtopic ... Ask a question here on the forum in the topic I am looking for a recipe on our forum, and you will not be ignored ...

1. Goose goose strife! Both by breed and by weight. I advise you to take a goose weighing at least 4 kg, and preferably 5 or more - then you will feel in the dish not only the bone frame, but also the meat mass. In any case, I definitely do not advise taking a goose weighing less than 3-4 kg. The cooking time of the goose needs to be correlated by its weight. As an alternative to a goose, try cooking a large mulard duck in a goose maker - it has delicious soft juicy meat ...
2. It is advisable to salt the goose well in advance simply with salt, or in a marinade with a sufficient amount of salt, up to a day. Salt retains moisture in the meat.
3. A duck or a goose, before laying in a rooster and then in the oven, I always cook a little in salted water in a large saucepan, 2-3 minutes after boiling, from the tail side and from the neck (because everything does not fit right away ).
4. Cook mostly at low temperature, at the end tint with a coating of honey and Worcester sauce or soy (I don't like it, I don't use it), briefly at high temperature, for a crust.
5. So that moisture remains inside and the goose does not come out dry, overlay it with vegetables (tomatoes, onions, carrots, fennel onion, potatoes, peppers, eggplant, etc.), sprinkled with spices when stewing / baking in a roaster. will be tasty, on goose fat, and will give the whole dish a good flavor.

Kapet, thanks. I'll try.

Dear Soforum residents! Does anyone have Borner pans? What can you advise: does it make sense to buy?

I only wash myself. My Ballarini pan 32 cm will soon be covered, I wanted to swing at Burner. So, I'll also wait and listen ...

In the English-language search engine and on the English site Borner, pans are missing as a class.Amazing. This rarely happens.

In the English-language search engine and on the English site Borner, pans are missing as a class. Amazing. This rarely happens.

Question:

Good day. I am looking for an induction frying pan 26-28 cm with high sides for both frying and stewing or a stewpan of this size with a handle for about 6 tons. I am interested in Börner pans. On the German website boerner.de, as well as on their representative websites in other countries, I have not found a frying pan anywhere in the list of offered products, they are only on the Russian website. It seems that someone bought a license and, under the Börner trademark, rivets frying pans in no one knows where and sells them in Russia. Although, judging by the Russian site, their characteristics are decent: thick bottom and walls, Loran non-stick coating, but prices are at the level of well-known brands AMT, WOLL. Now there is an opportunity to buy a Börner frying pan 30% cheaper than the price on the website. Should I contact them or not? Because without a discount at a comparable price, I would choose AMT or WOLL.

Oleg, Rostov-on-Don

Answer:

Indeed, Borner pans are produced under license, but the manufacturer is the German company AMT Gastroguss, therefore the quality is decent. If there is an opportunity to buy Börner at a good price, you should not give it up.

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My Ballarini pan 32 cm will be covered soon

Granite, Flax? Mine too!

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena,

There are for sure. I looked at them at one time, at the wok in particular. Reviews are not bad, but they are few. I attribute this to the "non-promotion" of the brand in England.



Lena, ha! I caught the brand name in the quote you gave! And on the German Amazon they offer AMT Gastroguss pans.

[Svetlenki]

Svetlenki, so it is typical, for other countries AMT Berners for some reason does not.)))
IMHO, the quality does not always depend on the manufacturer - often on the one who orders. Do you remember the old cartoon?
- Can you sew a hat out of this skin? - Can. - And two? - And two can be. - And five? - Why not? And we will sew five ...

At the same time, the furrier can be the best in its class. Seeing what kind of junk the graters are gradually turning into from Burner, personally, all other things being equal, I would buy the original AMT under my own name.

Dear Soforum residents! Does anyone have Borner pans? What can you advise: does it make sense to buy?

Let's start with the site 🔗 I didn't find any pans at all ...

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And in general, those frying pans of the sly Borner East brand. Which can only be seen leaning against that vegetable-cutting borner with one side. But they all covered Germany with a loud word. Even on the logo, instead of a borner, they paint Germany. That would very strongly convince the buyer.
And of course a beautiful legend. By the way, cheap Chinese knives are sold under this brand.
Here is the site of the most vegetable-cutting German brand does not know either frying pans or borner ista. Which means east.
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As for the "borner ista" from the far east and for the east of Europe, its bottom is only suitable for gas or old Soviet electric stoves with cast-iron pancakes or heating elements. A bare aluminum bottom is contraindicated in glass-ceramics and is useless for induction. in Germany. "But this is a common thing. They write on Chinese pans (moreover, in the same place in China)" made in Belarus "and nothing. Bornene is a little more complicated, though. But more on that below.
But on gas, such a bottom is of course ideal.
But the aggressive hanging of noodles on the ears of gullible buyers is certainly annoying.

As I understand it, frying pans under the Borner brand are made by AMT Gastroguss.
For a long time, the famous company AMT Gastroguss, a German manufacturer of high-quality aluminum products, including elite tableware, produced it to order for sale under foreign brands, the most famous in Russia is BERNER.

hto as he wants and writes this brand. But they write (our Russian writers) what is there:
"The non-stick coating has five subcoats, including the toughest titanium oxide layer that rivals diamond and three layers of LOTAN's patented water-based non-stick coating."
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But neva metal utensils (NMP) boasted all the time about the water coating. And their coatings were not at all durable.
This is where AMT is done, too. I'll have to look carefully.
But returning to the writers of Borner East. They say we have a super alloy. But in fact, a common silumin, AK12.
And as I have already noted here, experts from the Italian ILLA, said that cast ware tends to blister the coating, so when casting, pores remain in the metal, and later, after coating with a non-stick, when heated, air comes out of them, which begins to peel off the coating. Therefore, this company does not use casting, but uses pressing and stamping of pure aluminum.

Three days ago I bought a cast aluminum frying pan from Borner 28/7 cm. I didn’t weigh, but heavy, 3 kilograms. I decided to write only for one reason - for the first time in decades of cooking, chicken pieces added to pre-fried onions were browned for the first time. This has never happened, under any circumstances. Sour onions simply did not allow the chicken to fry. Or it came out like a stew, or it was simply nailed to the pan. It was almost a miracle for me when I saw the ruddy sides of the chicken.
Expensive - on the site 5997, in a store on Tulskaya 5250. The non-stick coating is not Teflon - on the sticker on the bottom of the pan, which describes the manufacturing process, and is underlined. Some other technology that I don't remember.
I just want to try to fry steak-type beef on it just with seasonings. And it seems to me that the pilaf in it will be absolutely extraordinary.
Naturally I will share the results ...

And so I will continue to praise my three-kilogram, incomparable, beautiful frying pan from Borner.
In general, the last test, so to speak, will be the preparation of pilaf, but so far no one here is hungry for this dish.
Yesterday I cooked beef stroganoff. Personally, I do not like stew here, and for this I used to have to fry meat straws in one pan in small portions over high heat and transfer to the main, large, frying pan. The lesson is long, dreary and very dirty - the whole stove, the floor near the stove and the worst thing - the stove handles from splashing in oil.
With a new frying pan I decided to take a chance and with the words "I believe in you, you can handle it", dumped all 2 kilos of meat at once. The meat, of course, gave a lot of juice and had to be scooped up. He splashed butter and the meat immediately began to brown. It was browned so well and most importantly so correctly that I did not expect it. Much better than when I fried it a little bit.
Several extremely important advantages were discovered at once. The first is clean, no splashes. The second is time. While all the meat was being cooked whole, I cooked broth, fried flour and sautéed onions with tomato paste. Previously, I could not do both at the same time. The third is a large frying pan, that is, a lot is included, a lot of space (easy to mix) and there will be enough food for everyone to have dinner more than once.
As I have written here more than once, it is expensive. But when you pay and start using, you immediately understand that the frying pan, like all Borner products, was not bought in vain and is worth the money.

At the end of last year, he promised to share his impressions of cooking pilaf in a Borner 28/7 non-stick frying pan. Finally it came down to it. (Who cares - part 2, pp. 158, 166)
The pilaf frying pan cooks, so to speak, "classically". Let me explain. The fact is that it is necessary to adapt to each new vessel: an aluminum pan cooks like this, a cast-iron cauldron like this, a simple aluminum pan in your own way and you have to adjust with fire, water, a lid ...
Borner didn't have to adjust. Everything is clear: fried, poured water, poured, poured water, covered with a lid, waited - ready. For the first time it was in this pan that I got the "right" carrots. That is, fried already with meat and onions, it also browned, as expected, becoming slightly golden and, as it were, "dried".

Granite, Flax?

Yes, it seems not, ordinary, black, with a slightly grooved bottom. Nice frying pan. And considering that she washed all these years in the dishwasher, then we can say that the quality of the coating is very, very good, since she still has not been killed.
For Berner in Ozone they asked for something about eight thousand (now she is not there), but I am sorry to pay so much for her. If I find Ballarini, I will buy it without hesitation. For her, and the price is more humane.

[Umka19]

Umka19, Ludmila, I also have a pancake lodge, 21 cm, very happy.

I have two Berner pans. Diameter 20 cm. One with high sides, the second with low ones. The quality is very pleasing. The only thing - in the accompanying paper it was written that they can be washed in the PMM. I washed it. The coating is all right, but the lower part has deteriorated a little. It seems not visible, but still unpleasant.

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, Kapet, Constantin, thank you so much for the information! Frying pans were on sale yesterday at the WB in the amount of several pieces. The price was reasonable, 3.5-4.5 thousand, depending on the size. But I also doubted the manufacturer, because I know that the office. Berner has no pans and pans. In addition, the weight of the pan is about 2 kg, it will be heavy. I have a cast-iron pancake of another brand with such a weight, it is difficult to handle it. And here is practically a frying pan - a saucepan, that is, the weight of the contents will be added, you will be left without hands at all. Although the bottom is 10 mm thick. and walls 6 mm. very captivating. For example, the bottom of the NMP is 6 mm, the walls are 4 mm. Likewise, cast pans Redmond and Fissman. The comments of the man in the quote from Kapet confirmed that it can be used as a cauldron for pilaf, which I originally planned, as well as frying pies and cutlets, probably it would be nice. In addition, I have an old Finnish electric stove with pancake burners, and I'm not going to change it, because it's just a gorgeous oven, and upstairs I practically do not cook (smell, fat and binding to the stove), there are many other devices that these delights are excluded. But for those rare dishes that turn out to be more authentic on the stove, I will probably buy such a frying pan on occasion. Thank you, comrades, for being there and always ready to help!



Belka13, Olga, where were you yesterday, my dear? Sold out all the pans. Your voice has made me want to have her. I will catch.

Post moved to topic Baking and roasting dishes

I will catch.

I caught it, they will bring it on Monday. I'll make a reservation right away, these pans are in two versions, for all types of stoves and for all others, except for induction. My version without induction, diameter 24 cm, wall height 5 cm, bottom thickness 10 mm, walls 6 mm. If anyone needs it, there are 12 more on WB. such remained. With all the discounts it cost me 3060 rubles. I'll try it on cutlets, I'll unsubscribe. If you like it, I will fish with high sides, 7 cm.

People, no one cooks in pots from multicooker just on the stove?
We in Famili sold these pots for three and five liters at ridiculous prices. I don't have CF and I didn't even know that these bowls are so decent, heavy, thick-walled. I bought a small one and now I boil and heat milk in it, cook condensed milk, porridge, cereal side dishes. Due to the lack of handles, it takes up little space in the refrigerator, it is convenient to lift and carry it by the upper rim, instead of handles.
I'm not overjoyed at my new acquisition. The color of the saucepan is, of course, gloomy, matte gray outside and inside with a black non-stick coating, but during storage it sinks in other pans and practically does not take up a separate place.

[Crown]

Crown, I can say I do not cook on the stove. I didn’t risk using a nonstick (I don’t like gas, I have a phobia for it: it seems that it stains all the dishes, the kitchen and smells nasty). But a steel bowl on a plate
enjoyed. I also like that there are no handles))) And they are very different in thickness and coating, some are thick, and some resemble cheap buckets from a fixprice ...

As promised, I'm reporting on the Borner frying pan. I took it in the end with a height of 7 cm (I ordered it the next day). With a side of 5 cm, I also held it in my hands, looked, it was too small for my goals. First, the cons - inconsistencies, although this may also be pros. Pan weight 1.525 kg. against the declared 1.91 kg., wall thickness 6 mm. only at the bend of the side, the thickness of the side itself is 4 mm. actually. Now the indisputable advantages are the thickness of the coating exactly 45 microns (there is a point non-paint on the outside of the bend of the side). Bottom thickness is true 10 mm. As stated. The shape of the pan is straight, i.e.the diameter of the bottom and top is almost the same size. The lid came up with an ordinary glass with a steam release. I fried potatoes yesterday and cooked pilaf today. The potatoes cooked perfectly, but I love them and I can fry them even on the iron, for me this is not an indicator. But pilaf won me over. It turned out perfect, the meat with a crust and at the same time is soft, the carrots actually did not turn sour, but turned out to be ruddy, golden, as in the review above. Rice was prepared rice for rice, although it was not even pilaf, but Krasnodar. I have tried this kind of pilaf only a couple of times in my entire life, on fire, in a cauldron, prepared by an authentic chef. Very happy with the purchase!

[Svetlana62]

Svetlana62, Svetlana, thanks for the tip!

Now the indisputable advantages are the thickness of the coating exactly 45 microns (there is a point non-paint on the outside of the bend of the side)

It hung here. I’m saying that the people here are not bastards. How did you know? This is what is generally measured ???

But pilaf won me over. It turned out perfect

Gorgeous! This means that the sides are heated almost evenly with the bottom! Great news. I will look at these pans.

Pan weight 1.525 kg. against the declared 1.91 kg.

But this for me is more a plus than a minus. I'll be looking at their wok. I clearly don't need it heavy

Thanks again

[Svetlenki]

How did you know?

Life experience, work skills. Let's not go deeper.

But this for me is more a plus than a minus.

For me too.
Svetlenki, Sveta, Thank you!

I know that many people bought Stoneline cookware. They have saucepans like a pressure cooker. Maybe someone has such a miracle?

[Mirabel]

Mirabel, I want to order a set

[Olga]

Olga, and which one?
we have this

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I don't even know .. how it is .. I'm afraid of the pressure cooker like fire.

[Mirabel]

MirabelI'm looking at this

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, but it turned out to be expensive for me. Considering delivery. I dearly love pressure cookers, but here I attracted the pressure cooker saucepan and the idea of ​​the designer

cool! and it doesn't seem to be expensive ... but they don't want to send it to Belgium ...

[Mirabel]

Mirabel, this used one is also available in yellow, salads and graphite colors. New set of 100 euros. With delivery of almost 12 thousand

In my opinion, the used one is not worth buying in this case Unknown, the previous owners used it somewhat carefully

[Mirabel]

Mirabel, this is just the first link that comes across, with a picture, 100 euros unused kit. I also gave up on the idea of ​​the used one.

100 euro

yeah very expensive, and even shipping.
I'm already all confused, I want Stoneline, but stainless steel, then Red Copper.
to buy everything, but where to attach all the good

[Vika]

Vika, ed Copper is this the name of the brand or the material of the cookware?

[Sveta]

Sveta, in my opinion, the name of the brand whose products have a special coating

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here the Turks sell a fake of such a frying pan and everyone is so actively buying and praising

Ed Copper is this the brand name or the material of the cookware?

Copper plating. Well, if you translate from German.

It seems like copper if you translate from any ...

[Galina]

Galina, Gal, I have one of these pans, the Germans make them, they write that it is like a ceramic coating.

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I like her Pts!
but maybe this Copper and this are not the same, but outwardly similar.

Vic, you have an expensive frying pan. Non-stick ceramic coating, scratch resistant, copper. BRATmaxx firm.

you have an expensive frying pan

yes, she is not so expensive ... something euro 2o in my opinion. But so cool

from 57 to 70 euros for ibey cost. of this company.

I have a small frying pan, so it's inexpensive.

I have a small frying pan, so it's inexpensive.

Oh Vic, a set of 3 of them costs 70 euros. in parallel I watch TV and write. and one costs 20 euros. everything is correct.

[mr.Catlery]

mr.Catlery, I was very interested in the KUKHAR dishes, especially the frying pan with microgrill. I live in Lithuania, how can I buy KUKHAR? To the cook. bu delivery only across Belarus.

[Is it possible to simply send a member of the same forum to see a gadget of interest by an external link?]

we have this

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I'm looking at this

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Girls, dear, in order not to bore you with boring reminders, I will simply quote the Chief:

Is it possible to simply send a member of the same forum to see a gadget of interest by an external link?

No you can not. It's not good to force someone to make unnecessary movements. Showcase your title, description, and picture right in your post.
See how to display the gadget:
First example.
Second example.

See how to display the gadget:

Len, but it seemed to me that the rules were not even so. The photo should be open, and not under the link, so that you can immediately see whether it is worth going there!

[Elena Tim]

Elena Tim, I'm sometimes stupid and I just can't figure out how not to insert my pictures ... but I will try to fix it