Non-standard forms at Panasonic

Girls, but look in the same price list there is a 12a form, and it seems like two of these should also fit into Panasonic. And 12 too. there is still a form Kremenchug, so there is a bit 5 mm in length shorter than No. 7 - 215 mm versus 220 for the seven. It will not be so close to the thermal sensor. What do you think?

[Mopa1,]

Mopa1, look at page 11 of post No. 214, where I posted a photo where it is shown that two forms L11 very freely enter Panasonic, and also two forms L12 freely. And on page 14 in post # 265, there is a baking in Panasonic of two L11 loaves at once.

[Mopa1,]

Mopa1, look at post # 214, where I posted a photo where it is shown that two forms L11 very easily enter Panasonic, and also two forms L12 freely.

Yes, thank you, I saw, I just found shape 12a here, it is a little more than 12 both in length and in width, but 2 should also fit.

[Girls]

I bake on ripe dough, so every time after kneading, I tear off a piece of dough and put it in the refrigerator until the next batch. It turns out that 100-150 grams are constantly kneading with ballast, which increases the size of the kolobok, the total mass of which corresponds to a batch of bread of size M.

What I recommend doing the first time ...

I do everything the same way. So everything is fast, simple and awesomely tasty (but only in L7).
Girls, those who did not have time to eat such bread, urgently read above post 393 Deep, everything is described there so consistently and you will have great pleasure from the bread.

[marinastom]

marinastom, I will answer for myself. I do not pretend to be true.
I bake on ripe dough, so every time after kneading, I tear off a piece of dough and put it in the refrigerator until the next batch. It turns out that 100-150 grams are constantly kneading with ballast, which increases the size of the kolobok, the total mass of which corresponds to a batch of bread of size M.

Thank you.
But again I have questions.
1. How long can a "piece" stay in the refrigerator?
2. If the bread is not white, but mixed, or like Vanya's28 (I dream of baking), then what about it?
Forgive me stupid.

[Creamy]

Here I wrote out from this list what suits us in size. I have a Panasonic, but whoever has something else, then maybe something else needs to be added or subtracted here:
Forms that fit one at a time:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

№7 220 190 110 80 115 1820
№10 215 185 105 75 105 1520
Kremenchuk 215 188 105 80 112

Forms that fit in two:
№11 145 120 100 75 100 910 400 330
No. 11a 150 118 92 62 110
№12 160 140 80 60 75 590 260 200
No. 12a 165 130 100 65 85
Here, as I understand it, the first two digits are the length at the top and bottom, the second two are the width at the top and bottom, the fifth digit is the height, the sixth is the volume of the form inside in ml, the seventh is the weight of the dough to be poured, the eighth is the weight of the already baked bread ...

Creamy, thanks, added the additions you made:
"Form L11 - volume = 900ml (measured it myself), designed for 400g of dough (not flour), with an output of 330g of already baked bread.
In the form L12-volume = 600ml, lay 260g of dough (not flour), after baking, the yield of the finished baked dough is 200 grams. "
And also added the volumes given on page 1 Andrzej nov

Thank you.
But again I have questions.
1. How long can a "piece" stay in the refrigerator?
2. If the bread is not white, but mixed, or like Vanya's28 (I dream of baking), then what about it?
Forgive me stupid.

I once lay there for 12 days, I wanted to throw it away, but I crumpled it a little, sniffed it))), it seemed to be a normal dough and kneaded with the main dough, but it turned out to be such a delicious bread, I didn’t regret putting this piece in the dough: it turned out to be excellent bread ... So it can lie for more than 7 days and everything is OK. And I have this ripe dough - that only I did not add to it (there is rye flour, and buckwheat, and corn, bran, everything gradually accumulated, but the bread always turned out excellent).

[Ksyusha]

Ksyusha, I wanted to expose a recipe, but I can't, I decided to write here, suddenly someone will come in handy.

1. Rye sourdough 380 gr.
2. Flour 1 grade 170gr
3. Rye flour 100 gr.
4. Whole grain flour 130 gr.
5. Salt 2 tsp.
6. Olive oil 1 tbsp. l.
7. Water 180-190 gr.
8. Gluten 1h. l
9. Dry kvass - 1 tsp. (optional)

Put everything except the butter in a bucket, put it on to knead the dough, min. by 7, then add oil and knead for another 5-7 minutes, until a bun is formed. I take it out of the bread maker, put it in a mold and for baking. In a bread maker for 1 hour. I bake this recipe in the oven, always a wonderful result.

I often change the amount of this or that flour, it still turns out great.

Lenochka, I tried this bread, just not with sourdough, forgive the asshole. Altered it under yeast and gluten-free, I don't have it. It turned out very tasty: wheat - rye - whole grain came out, Pekla not in the L7 form, but simply in HP, because I made a bookmark for 590 grams of flour. Thank you very much!

Girls, I got a response from a company that sells forms. She asked how many forms should be taken so that the price of 8 UAH does not increase. And I also asked what carriers they deliver. Here's what was in the answer:
"Hello, the price will not change even when buying one form of any kind, the main thing is that they are in stock"
They didn't say anything about the delivery. So you have to ask them over the phone.

Thank you.
But again I have questions.
1. How long can a "piece" stay in the refrigerator?
2. If the bread is not white, but mixed, or like Vanya's28 (I dream of baking), then what about it?
Forgive me stupid.

1. In theory, it can be stored for up to 7 days without updating.
2. Mixed bread can be made with ripe dough. It won't spoil with rye flour. )

2. If the bread is not white, but mixed, or like Vanya's28 (I dream of baking), then what about it?

What do you mean"? I do not understand your question. With him - everything is according to the recipe. Ripe dough has absolutely nothing to do with it
I bake rye bread in the form of L7 according to GOST recipe for Borodino bread, the recipe is on the forum: Borodino bread, according to the recipe of 1939.
Form L7 holds 800-900 g of rye dough. Just after kneading, I put the dough into a mold, let it stand for 40 minutes and bake. I wrote about the process of baking rye bread in the form of L7 here.
If you did not answer your question, please specify what you mean.

What do you mean"? I do not understand your question. With him - everything is according to the recipe. Ripe dough has absolutely nothing to do with it
I bake rye bread in the form of L7 according to GOST recipe for Borodino bread, the recipe is on the forum: Borodino bread, according to the recipe of 1939.
Form L7 holds 800-900 g of rye dough. Just after kneading, I put the dough into a mold, let it stand for 40 minutes and bake. I wrote about the process of baking rye bread in the form of L7 here.
If you did not answer your question, please specify what you mean.

You see, I thought that you can't put the same amount of dough in the L7 form as in the cotton bucket - you need less. Probably, this is for wheat - it is more magnificent, but rye does not rise that way. And regularly kneading a small amount of dough, it seems to me, is harmful to the oven.
Sorry to confuse you.
Actually, I don’t have the l7 form yet, I hope for the next. week will already be, then the "field tests" will go. And maybe more questions.

Now it is clear. No, there is no such restriction on rye dough as on wheat, rye dough rises much less. You can knead a normal amount, 400-500 g of rye flour. L7 can handle so many. Successful acquisition of the form. If you have any questions - ask!

[Mona1]

I estimated the approximate volume of each of the shapes (column number 9 in the table - external volume) using the truncated pyramid formula:

V = (S1 + √ (S1 S2) + S2) H / 3,

Mona1, on the first page of this topic Andrzej nov gave exact values ​​of the volume of some bread forms. I highlight the volume in red:

The form; Form volume; Dimensions AxBxH; Form weight; Bread weight, kg
h. grade; rye
Form L6-O (2,16) 235x115x115 0.63 0.76 1.43
Form L7 (1,82) 220х110х115 0.56 0.67 1.25
Form L10 (1,52) 215х105х105 0.48 0.56 1.04
Form L11 (0,91) 145x100x100 0.32 0.33 0.62
Form L12 (0,59) 160x80x75 0.28 0.22 0.40

[Mona1]

Mona1, on the first page of this topic Andrzej nov gave exact values ​​of the volume of some bread forms. I highlight the volume in red:

Yes, it is clear, and what is important is the Internal Volumes. I'll put them on my plate.
I was very interested in the form of Kremenchug. It is 215 mm in length, only 5 mm shorter than No. 7, but somehow quieter, there is no need to be afraid of the thermal sensor, which even if it does not touch it, the very close heated metal is alarming.And 5 mm - This is not much to the detriment of the volume, and at the same time, the form will fit more comfortably inside the HP.

Yes, "Kremenchug" will fit into Panasik. Half a centimeter shorter than L7. The height is the same. I would buy one.

I found GOST on forms with an indication of their volume. The quality of the screen, of course, is terrible, but what it is) But everything is accurate.

There are several columns in the volume - this is for different types of forms.
Ш - stamped aluminum
Шс - stamped steel
L - cast
M - multi-seam
Mk - multi-seam welded.
We are interested in column A (cast).



Here. ))
There is also the same table with dimensions. If it's necessary )

Thank you Deep, I carefully read the information from that site. Kremenchug is indicated, but it is not available, as is not 11a. I just completed and sent them an order. I ordered one # 7 and two # 11. It turned out only 52 UAH 10 kopecks. 8 UAH was not added. But this is without delivery and attached handles. Tomorrow I should be contacted for clarification. there we will discuss the handle. I wonder how they do it. Hardly like a bucket. Most likely with riveted ears. The main thing is not to interfere with the insertion. I looked at the pictures of the forms in the HP, there it would be nice if the handles on No. 7 were attached to the long sides. and in number 11 - to short ones. There is more distance to the HP wall.
They deliver by New Mail, Autolux, Night Express and something else. Payment - either in cash or cash on delivery. This is in Ukraine. And in the CIS, they also send, but I did not find how.
Yes, they can also rivet two shapes into one block at will. So I'm thinking, should I ask them to rivet two # 11 into one? And how then will the handle be? Or even one at a time. so more mobile somehow. In general, the further into the forest, the more questions. Tomorrow, when they call me back, I'll write what happened with the pens.

I would also order two 11's. But they really need a pen. They are harder to take out than L7 I think .. And L7 is easy to take out.
And I would fasten them, if possible. In general, we are waiting for the results.

[marinastom]

marinastom,
flour - 400g
water - 225-235g
fresh yeast - 4 g
salt - 6 g
oil - 26 g

Next time (and all subsequent ones) we knead the dough from 300 grams of flour:

flour - 300g
water - 170-180g
fresh yeast - 2.5 g
salt - 5 g
oil - 20 g

marinastorm, tell me please. Is the dough completely sugar-free? Is there really enough yeast? And a jar? Close it or what?

I think the jar should just be covered with something.

Is the dough completely sugar-free? Is there really enough yeast? And a jar? Close it or what?

The dough is completely sugar-free. Yeast is definitely enough, because ripe dough also contains yeast. And take a jar with a volume of 3 times more than the piece to be left and close the jar with a plastic lid, place it in the refrigerator until the next time. This piece of ripe dough can last for a week (and even more, the bread will be just as tasty). Good luck!

[glykoza]

Is the dough completely sugar-free? Is there really enough yeast? And a jar? Close it or what?

Yes, glykoza, the dough can be made completely without sugar, the yeast has enough sugars for nutrition, which are contained in flour. But if you like sweet bread, sugar can of course be added. I often add honey.

Yeast is also enough. I gave a recipe even with an overestimated amount. I myself put on one bread no more than 1 gram of fresh yeast. Result on Photo... Some argue that it is possible to bake on such a dough without adding yeast at all, but I began to notice that ripe dough becomes weaker, and gradually "depletes" if yeast is not introduced into it at all.

The girls answered correctly about the bank. The jar needs to be covered so that the dough does not wind up, does not dry out. But at the same time, the dough (specifically, yeast) needs oxygen to "breathe". There is enough air in the jar, even closed, but I still made a hole in the lid, it seems to me that the dough feels better.
In general, there are many recommendations on this score, and often they are contradictory, so do as I recommend for now) and then, perhaps, you will find your "golden mean".

[Lenochka]

Lenochka, I tried this bread, just not with sourdough, forgive the asshole.Altered it under yeast and gluten-free, I don't have it. It turned out very tasty: wheat - rye - whole grain came out, Pekla not in the form of L7, but simply in HP, because I made a bookmark for 590 grams of flour. Thank you very much!

Ksyushka, I am very glad that I liked the bread!

Girls! And I did it. I bought the form already about a month ago on the market. Finally, my husband drilled holes for me and made a pen. In general, I did everything and got a wonderful bread in Kenwood 256!

[fronya40]

fronya40, congratulations on your successful L7 bread making debut in your Kenwood! And tell your husband that he is great, he made a pen to the form. Can you post a photo of attaching the handle to the bucket? I think forum users will be interested to see, not everyone has handles attached to forms. Congratulations again!

Girls! And I did it. I bought the form already about a month ago on the market. Finally, my husband drilled holes for me and made a pen. In general, I did everything and got a wonderful bread in Kenwood 256!

Tanya, congratulations! And I made an order, but so far they are silent, they should contact me to clarify the details. Probably their day off. I ordered two more No. 11s. I will ask them to rivet it into one block and make a pen, and if they don't, then I’ll strain my spouse, in vain they bought an expensive drill.

Girls! And I did it. I bought the form already about a month ago on the market. Finally, my husband drilled holes for me and made a pen. In general, I did everything and got a wonderful bread in Kenwood 256!

Tanya, congratulations, my husband is great!

Here is the L7 form:

I should fit into Panasonic)

Please: rose: the exact dimensions of this form L7 can be ... height, depth, etc. ... so that you can immediately measure it when choosing

Please: rose: the exact dimensions of this form L7 can be ... height, depth, etc. ... so that you can immediately measure it when choosing

On the first page, the sizes of all shapes. There are 3 sizes, and on the previous page there are 5 sizes (added length and width at the bottom).

girls, thank you very much. I'll post pictures tomorrow.

Please: rose: the exact dimensions of this form L7 can be ... height, depth, etc. ... so that you can immediately measure it when choosing

And here it just doesn't fit for me, I put it on a stand

I don't understand how others put it there without a stand. It touches the heating elements for me, that's why I bought L 10. Here L 10 is a little smaller and you can use it without a stand.
Volume L x Shir. x Height
Form L7 (1.82) 220x110x115
Form L10 (1.52) 215x105x105
This table is on the 1st page of this topic.

Girls, called me about the ordered forms. In short, they will not make a handle and will not rivet two # 11s into one block for me. Although the site indicates what will be done for extra. payment at the request of the customer. But, apparently, I am a bad customer, I order little. The man who spoke to me said to me: Well, what do you want me to go to the locksmiths with your two uniforms, so that they send me to hr-n. This is if we rivet many pieces into large blocks for bakeries and they attach a handle to one common one to such a block, and not to each mold. And the handle is not lifting, like a bucket, but such as ears. I say - but there is a pen - 10 UAH. I will pay them for each handle for each form .. What difference does it make to them - to rivet it for 1 form, or for a block? If so and so 10 UAH a piece. But he's not in any way. Apparently, he just trudged to the locksmiths for scrap. In short, I say, send then just like that. Will send it by New mail today. Payment upon receipt (cash on delivery). They will arrive tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Then I will write what and what kind of this product.

Eh, you are happy ... but I just can't bring myself to order ...

And mine are still in Ryazan ...

Eh, you are happy ... but I just can't dare to order ...

Oh, but I, on the contrary, are such an inveterate deviceaholic that sometimes I order everyone here and there and wait for their arrival. And in the summer it was like this - an SMS came with the number of the declaration, but what I ordered, even shoot, I don't remember. And I was waiting for 3 orders at that time (it seemed to me so), and this is the fourth from somewhere. In general, I never remembered. Then, at the post office, I looked where the goods came from and remembered. So now I pacify my device addiction and try not to order more than two things at the same time.

Oh, but I, on the contrary, are such an inveterate deviceaholic that sometimes I order everyone here and there and wait for their arrival.And in the summer it was like this - an SMS came with the declaration number, but what I ordered, even shoot, I don't remember. And I was waiting for 3 orders at that time (it seemed to me so), and this is the fourth from somewhere. In general, I never remembered. Then at the post office I looked where the goods came from and remembered. So now I pacify my device addiction and try not to order more than two things at the same time.

Tanya, reading this forum, already realized that with the presence of all sorts of bells and whistles in Ukraine, it is much cooler than in Russia, and with delivery faster and faster ... after all, your whole country will be like we have one region ...

Eh, you are happy ... but I just can't dare to order ...

It's time already)) It's like with yeast, you need to immediately decide. Look in your city. I found a wholesale store in my city on an Internet, went there and they sold me one form L7 at retail, as I asked, and I found the second in a hardware store. I wandered through all kinds of crockery departments and found L 10. So she came to my Panasonic. Form L7 enters it only on a stand, and enters Moulinex freely. Make up your mind!

Tanya, reading this forum, already realized that with the presence of all sorts of bells and whistles in Ukraine, it is much cooler than in Russia, and with delivery faster and faster ... after all, your whole country will be like we have one region ...

Well, yes, it is geographically easier with delivery on time. Here is New Mail, for example, delivery from any point is a day. And the delivery cost is less for relatively short distances. And it is easier for a person from the Far East to order from China than across the whole country. And cheaper, I suppose.

It's time already)) It's like with yeast, you need to decide right away. Look in your city. I found a wholesale store in my city on an Internet, went there and they sold me one form L7 at retail, as I asked, and I found the second in a hardware store. I wandered through all kinds of crockery departments and found L 10. So she came to my Panasonic. Form L7 enters it only on a stand, and enters Moulinex freely. Make up your mind!

we only have one store that deals with forms .. and then on order from Moscow .. they don’t sell less than one ... I have already climbed all the household stores, but so far I haven’t found anything ... (((

.. less than one is not sold ...

What is it like?

And it is easier for a person from the Far East to order from China than across the whole country. And cheaper, I suppose.

so it is .. read how I ordered myself a form for MV ... here (from post 392)https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1395.0.. and I have not yet described what kind of "trash" I had to go to pick up my order ...

What is it like?

minimum lot of 20 pieces .. and where do I have so many of them? if only to hand over to eldorado / m-video .. like buy together with forms L7, L10 ...

minimum lot of 20 pieces .. and where do I have so many of them? if only to hand over to eldorado / m-video .. like buy together with forms L7, L10 ...

Anh, and you write to where I ordered, they send across the CIS. Ask what time it will be delivered and in what time frame. Maybe not so expensive.

Anh, and you write to where I ordered, they send across the CIS. Ask what time it will be delivered and in what time frame. Maybe not so expensive.

Yes, we have a lot of people who send the forms ... I just need to decide on the supplier ... and delivery from Ukraine will be expensive ... I wanted to order a machine for extruding bones, so the girl counted for me a machine for 350 re, and the delivery was almost 2 times more expensive (well, I’m figuratively .. but the point is, indeed, that the delivery cost more expensive than the machine itself).

we only have one store dealing with forms ..

I found a few in a search engine in Voronezh. You just have to go around these stores. They have leftovers and can sell them one at a time. I called 3 stores and they didn’t turn me down. They have no one to sell to anyone.

girls, I took a picture of my uniform with a mobile phone and I'm exhibiting, the quality is like a C ...

I found a few in a search engine in Voronezh.You just have to go around these stores. They have leftovers and can sell them one at a time. I called 3 stores and they didn’t turn me down. They have no one to sell to anyone.

Did you search through Yandex? and what is the request form? (I entered "bakery forms") ... I'm just looking in Voronezh, ... I go to the page, and the site and addresses are already MOSCOW?

girls, I took a picture of my uniform with a mobile phone and I'm exhibiting, the quality is like a C ...
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[Fronyushka]

Fronyushka , thanks for the photo session. The principle is clear. And the main thing is that the handle is high. It is convenient to take out a hot form with baked bread and carry it to any place in the kitchen. Good luck and success in baking

Did you search through Yandex? and what is the request form? (I entered "bakery forms") ... I'm just looking in Voronezh, ... I go to the page, and the site and addresses are already MOSCOW?

I was typing "bakery forms in Voronezh" (without quotes)
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Voronezh, Boulevard Pobedy str., 50 V, office 15. 62-15-63. For example, go here. You just have to go, not call or chat on the Internet. One will be sold for sure. You can try.))