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Adopt a new baker! I would like to thank all forum participants for their advice and moderators for valuable corrections. I bought a stove and only use it for 2 weeks, but before that I read the forum for a month. Now I constantly choose some recipes from the forum if you weren't there, the oven would be much more boring and difficult
Lagri
Of course we accept Welcome to our ranks of bakers! There are sooo many knowledgeable, understanding, sympathetic and kind people here, they will always promptly help you understand bakery.
Oca
My heating element in HP is staggering, I thought it was absolutely normal. And he staggered at the stove and in the oven too. Only in the teapot it is screwed on with 3 screws)) I often wipe the bread maker - sometimes crumbs appear inside, then flour will fly apart during kneading (especially on the Pizza and Fast programs). Most satisfied with Jam mode
Wit
Quote: Oca

... Most satisfied with Jam mode
Have you made cherry jam? If so, were the bones removed. With the seeds, the taste of the jam changes. Also very tasty. Well, something like this: we ate vanilla ice cream - delicious! then a cake-basket - also delicious.
Lagri
Quote: Oca

My heating element in HP is staggering, I thought it was absolutely normal.
I checked the shadows in Mulinex, LG and Supra - they are attached rigidly and do not stagger, and in Panasonic 2502 - it staggers, so I got worried. But since not only I have such a case, then I think this is permissible. If the owners of Panasonic still appear with such fixed shadows, then you shouldn't worry at all. This is me soothing myself, I guess. Although, on the other hand, other Panasonic people are well fixed.
Wit
Quote: Lagri

I checked the shadows in Mulinex, LG and Supra - they are attached rigidly and do not stagger, and in Panasonic 2502 - it staggers, so I got worried. But since not only I have such a case, then I think this is permissible. If the owners of Panasonic still appear with such fixed shadows, then you shouldn't worry at all. This is me soothing myself, I guess. Although, on the other hand, other Panasonic people are well fixed.
Uh-huh! Like mine. This morning I specially tried it. DOES NOT stagger! Dial the phone number of the service, which is indicated in the passport and call. You will be told that this is garbage and you will definitely calm down. Or they will say that this is NOT garbage and then you will also calm down because you will know what to do. And now you are tormented by uncertainty. Get rid of it! You can also ask a question on this topic on the manufacturer's website. But there they do not answer for a long time, or even completely silent. The Japanese are like that.
Take action Lagri! You just need to pick up the phone and dial the number
Stafa
Don't worry, my ten is also wobbling, it's just that men don't wipe it inside, so they don't know. There, the attachment of the ten is such that it cannot not stagger.
Creamy
I have a little backlash in the inlet and outlet in Panasonic. I perceive it normally. After all, the diameter of the heating element is less than the diameter of the through hole for it. The contacts are in place, the ten does not hang, does not dangle, nothing rests on the ten. I don't see a problem, only after your posts I climbed into the stove to check the strength of the heating elements fastening in the stove, and, frankly, it never entered my head.
Wit
Quote: Stafa

Don't worry, my ten is also wobbling, it's just that men don't wipe it inside, so they don't know. There, the attachment of the ten is such that it cannot not stagger.
I did not expect such a blooper from you. Yes, I do not wipe it, because there is nothing on the heating element. And you do not wipe the heating element with a mop
Stafa
I just know the habits of men, wipe it with a rag and inside - it's such a trifle, not globally.Although our stoves are a bit different, maybe the mountings are made in different ways. On my 2502 I have the mobility of the shade, it is not fixed to death, on one latch opposite to the place where the shade is attached on the other side.

Shl. There is still flour dust inside - over time, it tends to accumulate, so at least sometimes you have to wipe the bottom with a rag under the shade and at the same time wipe everything inside.
Oca
Quote: Wit

Have you made cherry jam? If so, were the bones removed.
Yes, I did. We have our own cherries, not sprinkled, so the seeds and worms were removed. Every day we collected a bucket for a week, the berries were overripe, we immediately processed them into jam and seaming.

Lagri, and you walk around the shops and shake the heating elements for different HP models
Lagri
Probably in our 2502 they are staggering, but in Vitaly's 2500 they are not. I’ve read the messages while joking interesting.
Quote: Stafa

Don't worry, my ten is also wobbling, it's just that men don't wipe it inside, so they don't know. There, the attachment of the ten is such that it cannot not stagger.
Stafa, thanks, everything is clear.
Quote: Oca

Lagri, and you walk around the shops and shake the heating elements for different HP models
Maria, I "swayed" the shadows only on models of nearby x / stoves.
Creamy
I support Osu, really go shopping like you are choosing your own bread maker. If the weather is fine, why not allow yourself a walk, and even with such scientific research motives. And then a report to us.
Lagri
Quote: Creamy

I support Osu, really go shopping like you are choosing your own bread maker. If the weather is fine, why not allow yourself a walk, and even with such scientific research motives. And then a report to us.
Creamy, but you are right, you should not have written here, but shake the tendencies in stores, but then you would not know about it. And now you at least will not be embarrassed and disturbed in the future. By the way, you can also check with nearby bread makers, for the sake of interest. Just kidding.
Thank you to everyone who helped sort out this problem.
Giraffe
I will console myself, there is little mobility, but not critical. I rub it inside regularly, then flour, then it will sprinkle with butter, you never know ...
Wit
Dear Lagri! Admit it, just be honest. Your concern about the "looseness" of the heating element is not from the same series, when the mother, seeing a scratch on the cheek of her baby, shouts: "Murder!" I once again, an hour ago, exactly after the end of the baking of the next bread with sausage, I wiped the walls (there was no need to wipe the heating element - clean) and checked the heating element. There really is a wobbly sign of wobbling. Well, into slices of millimeters. I noticed him only because I was really listening and feeling. Stafa the rights . But only about the fastening. Guys also wipe with a soft and gentle cloth!
But, nevertheless, there is no need to wipe the heating element _ it's clean!
Here the bread is ready
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So I took it out of the bread machine
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We look inside, we see crumbs. Heating element clean
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After wiping
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Here!
Lagri
Wow, what a handsome bread you have! And even with smoked sausage. And with shadows, Vitaly, I already figured it out.

Quote: Wit

there is a maaaaah little sign of wobbling. Well, into slices of millimeters.
After all, you too. The photo shows that crumbs or fried flour remain at the bottom (by the way, for some reason I don't have something like this in Moulinex, it's always clean there, apparently because the bucket is above the cotton sides, and then the lid), and so, wiping such crumbs I touched ten and noticed that he was mobile, as it were, that's all. This alarmed me, because there is no such thing in Moulinex, there are 2 tena and everything is firmly fixed there. I sooo want my equipment to always be in good working order, so I turned to the respected forum users for advice (I thought it was a defect). Thank you for the pictures: a beautiful and certainly delicious bread! This is a recipe from a book (with cheese and smoked sausage), I guess?
Taia
And I bought a wide, flat paintbrush made from soft, natural bristles. After baking, I brush off the scattered flour from the inner walls, from the heating element with this brush, at the bottom I sweep the leftovers into a pile, and then I simply remove the collected pile with a cloth. And that's all. I find it convenient.
gold-fox
Dear bakers, tell me if there are any complaints about Panasonic ovens, well, there the paint flies, the bucket breaks or leaks. How does the bread taste?
And then I read about Kenwood, he is certainly beautiful but so much but ...
Now I think between
Bread Maker Panasonic SD-ZB2502BTS
Bread Maker Panasonic SD-2501WTS
Bread Maker Panasonic SD-2500WTS
I did not understand the difference between them except for the steel body of the first. I didn't think about this brand at all, but there are so many reviews about the taste
Moulinex OW502430 bread maker (I was treated with bread from it) + baguette holders
Bread maker Moulinex OW310E30
sazalexter
Quote: gold-fox

Dear bakers, tell me if there are any complaints about Panasonic ovens, well, there the paint flies, the bucket breaks or leaks. How does the bread taste?
The paint does not peel off, the bucket does not leak, does not break, does not make noise, does not stink. Disadvantages: Doesn't run for beer
PS: bakes delicious, tastier only in the oven with sourdough, but that's another story
Lena2015
Quote: sazalexter

The paint does not peel off, the bucket does not leak, does not break, does not make noise, does not stink. Disadvantages: Doesn't run for beer
PS: bakes delicious, tastier only in the oven with sourdough, but that's another story
this fact does not run after beer. but maybe they still have it in the project: lol: kte
Lagri
Quote: gold-fox

Now I think between
Bread Maker Panasonic SD-ZB2502BTS
Bread Maker Panasonic SD-2501WTS
Bread Maker Panasonic SD-2500WTS
I did not understand the difference between them except for the steel body of the first. I didn't think about this brand at all, but there are so many reviews about the taste
Moulinex OW502430 bread maker (I was treated with bread from it) + baguette holders
Bread maker Moulinex OW310E30
I have two x / stoves: Moulinex 502430 with a baguette holder-a very good x / stove-everything can and Panasonic 2502-even better, better than it-not Both work in turn. I also chose from three Panasonic and chose 2502. If finances allow, I recommend 2502, you will not regret it. And I also like a lot in Moulinex, they just complain that these stoves break, but I already have it for 2 years and so far it works flawlessly. Panasonic kneads quietly, and Moulinex is noisy. Both bake perfectly, but in Panasonic I personally like some breads more. And Mulinex bakes baguettes unmatched and not troublesome.
gold-fox
Thank you, but still, if you choose between Moulinex and Panasonic - which one is better. And then we have a little 2 places nowhere to put, and besides, I want to bake small bread, well, the dough is the same important argument
Creamy
Quote: gold-fox

Thank you, but still, if you choose between Moulinex and Panasonic - which one is better. And then we have a little 2 places nowhere to put, and besides, I want to bake small bread, well, the dough is the same important argument

Then only Panasonic, in it you can bake small breads - in the L7 forms (for 300 grams of flour) and even less in the L11 and L12 forms. Read the topic "Non-standard forms for Panasonic"
Lagri
Quote: gold-fox

Thank you, but still if you choose between Moulinex and Panasonic - which one is better. And then we have a little 2 places nowhere to put, and besides, I want to bake small bread, well, the dough is the same important argument
Panasonic - definitely, there you can bake small bread (0.5 kg) and any chic dough will knead.
Stafa
I also bake bread for 300 grams of flour in a standard bucket without additional forms. It turns out a small loaf.
gold-fox
Thank you, it means Panasonic, especially since I read that she has dispensers and pizza dough, but you can make milk or lemon bread, something like muffins, or onion, spicy bread in it?
Lagri
Quote: gold-fox

Thank you, it means Panasonic, especially since I read that she has dispensers and pizza dough, but you can make milk or lemon bread, something like muffins, or onion, spicy bread in it?
Yes, you can bake everything in it. There are a bunch of recipes, and there are so many different recipes on the forum that you will not copy it in your entire life. Dispensers are a very good thing. Many people don't really need them, as I read, but I chose with them and use them. Let them be better than not. And a yeast dispenser is a necessary thing for me. A dispenser for raisins and other additives is also needed. In general, this stove has everything. I even like the stainless steel case better.There are 10 modes for dough, any dough kneads: for dumplings, dumplings, pasties, noodles and more
mowgli
Did anyone make jam in Panasonic? Successfully? And then I want to, but after I cooked the jam in the Ski and everything got jammed there, I'm very afraid ..
Creamy
Nope, we cook five-minute jam in a 0.5 liter ladle at any time of the year from frozen berries, one portion, for example, for pancakes. But we are happy to read your report on the preparation of jam in Panasonic, since teapots themselves are on this topic.
Stafa
I cook jam in HP, otherwise I don't know how to cook. I cooked it from frozen strawberries, from blueberries - it does not burn, and it is delicious.
Lagri
Quote: mowgli

Did anyone make jam in Panasonic? Successfully? And then I want to, but after I cooked the jam in the Ski and everything got jammed there, I'm very afraid ..
It is still dangerous to cook jam in any x / oven. It's good if you soak and rinse everything well after cooking the jam, but there is still a chance to ruin the bucket. I won't cook for sure. For two years in Moulinex I have never been tempted, and even more so in Panasonic.
rinishek
Quote: gold-fox

Thank you, but still, if you choose between Moulinex and Panasonic - which one is better. And then we have a little 2 places nowhere to put, and besides, I want to bake small breads, well, the dough is the same important argument

I had moulinex. Rather, he still has - he lives in the country. I can say that Moulinex (just mind not being offended by anyone!) Is not suitable for Panas
Lena2015
Quote: rinishek

I had moulinex. Rather, he still has - he lives in the country. I can say that Moulinex (just mind not being offended by anyone!) Is not suitable for Panas
and what is the difference between moulinex and a fancy one. I understand you know that
Creamy
Lagri, we already seem to convert all newcomers to our faith, to be loyal to Panasonic. As two truly believing and piously convinced missionaries, we accept into the fold of our faith all the uninitiated and wavering.
Oca
Quote: mowgli

Did anyone make jam in Panasonic? Successfully? And then I want to, but after I cooked the jam in the Ski and everything got jammed there, I'm very afraid ..
I cooked! Delicious! About 2 kg at a time (extreme, however). Only due to the fact that there are no "jelly-forming" substances in cherries, and apart from cherries (pitted) and sugar, I did not pour anything there, I got cherry syrup with pieces of berries. I welded 4 cans. At first, the bread maker costs 25-30 minutes, and then it is barely audible (it is better to feel it with your hand or ear) it starts stirring. Washing the bucket is elementary: it has cooled down, the jam is shifted, the bucket is filled with water for 10-15 minutes. No carbon deposits were found.
Now I bought a blender, I mix the cooked cherry syrup, strawberries and milk in it. It turns out super! Like melted fruit sundae.
Lagri
Quote: Creamy

Lagri, we already seem to convert all newcomers to our faith, to be loyal to Panasonic. As two truly believing and piously convinced missionaries, we accept into the fold of our faith all the uninitiated and wavering.
But he's worth it!

rinishek
Moulinex is a very strict stove - demanding for a bun, almost added flour - that's it, the roof fell. The bread is denser. Maybe someone like that, of course. The window is just tin. The bread has a white roof, and no tricks such as foil under glass, a towel on the window help radically, so poultice
Mulya is very capricious to drafts. Panas is generally in half does not interfere
in Panas, the bun is initially softer, and the bread is wonderful. (possibly because there is no window) and the bread rises and bakes better.
Moulinex is a very loud stove. My kitchen is 6 m, so when the kneading was going on we, not only did not hear the TV in the kitchen, sometimes we did not hear each other.
Panas works in such a way that when you are in the kitchen you don't immediately realize what kind of gentle noise is it? Temperature equalization is generally a huge plus, even a plus! It seems to me that this is why bread made from Panas is TASTER than from Mulinex.
I want to emphasize that I have Moulinex 2000, and I can't say anything about the others. Perhaps the Mulya 2000 is not the best model.

Four years ago, when I was buying HP, I doubted the quality of Panasonic, or rather not even the quality, the price-quality ratio. I thought it was just a surcharge for the brand.
Yes, and of course the mulinex is a smaller stove - it just stood on the tabletop. And to be honest, all the time I quietly regretted that I had not bought Panas.


Wit
Quote: Oca

I cooked! Delicious! About 2 kg at a time (extreme, however). Only due to the fact that there are no "jelly-forming" substances in cherries, and apart from cherries (pitted) and sugar, I did not pour anything there, I got cherry syrup with pieces of berries. I welded 4 cans. At first, the bread maker costs 25-30 minutes, and then it is barely audible (it is better to feel it with your hand or ear) begins to stir. Washing the bucket is elementary: it has cooled down, the jam is shifted, the bucket is filled with water for 10-15 minutes. No carbon deposits were found.
Now I bought a blender, I mix the cooked cherry syrup, strawberries and milk in it. It turns out super! Like melted fruit sundae.
Say pzhalsta! And the xn lid should be closed or kept open !!!? I already have the cherry jam run on for 30 minutes. And I do not know to close or keep open! PAMAGITEE !!!
Stafa
Close!
Wit
I'll give the report tomorrow. Stafa
Stafa
Now wrap the jars and let them cool slowly.
Wit
Quote: Stafa

Now wrap the jars and let them cool slowly.
Aaaaaaaaaa !!!! Jar aaa! I'm happy!
guru2107
I searched, but did not find it anywhere. Has anyone cooked a cake without first manually kneading the dough? in the description for the bread maker, both muffins must be kneaded by hand. the bread maker can't handle muffins on its own?
Wit
Report on cherry jam in a bread maker.
473 gr. pitted cherries
472 gr. Sahara.
Program 21
Time 1 hour 30 minutes.
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Preparing

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Done.
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Put it in a jar
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Wrapped
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Left it until morning. In the morning I looked. Cherry syrup.
I poured it into the HP again and cooked it for another 30 minutes. He took out a bucket, let it cool for 2 hours or more. Again in HP and cooked for another 20 minutes.
: yahoo: It worked !!!
In the evening I ate half a can and spread it on bread with sausage. What !? Yummy indescribable!
Wait, I'm cooking with bones.
Irrina
Good evening to all bakers))

Not so long ago I found this forum, I'm just sitting in a slight daze)
I have already swallowed the first topic, now I am mastering the second)

Thanks to everyone who created all these themes, recipes and other useful things)

The stove was purchased in February somehow completely spontaneously. By some miracle, they managed to buy Panasonic, which I am very happy about.
True, since they were completely out of topic, so to speak, they bought what they had, namely 2500. Very then I regretted that I could not bake rye bread, but now I will try to do it according to recipes from the forum)
While I was reading the first topic, I saved myself a bunch of bookmarks, on which I plan to experiment

So far, I've baked everything strictly according to the recipes from the Instructions for the stove, everything turns out just fine, I'm not overjoyed)
Now I bake Bread from several types of flour with the addition of buckwheat - my favorite, along with French with rye flour.
Wit
Quote: Irrina

Good evening to all bakers))

Very then I regretted that I could not bake rye bread, but now I will try to do it according to recipes from the forum)
Yes, perfectly rye is baked in the 2500th! Here's a reference for you and WALK! https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0
Read to the subheading Baking in a Bread Maker Panasonic SD-207 (253, 254, 255, 256, 257 and 2500, 2501, 2502)».
"... We choose a combination of two programs" Gluten-free "+" Baking "(for models SD-2500, 2501, 2502 programs Basic Rapid ..." and further down. I recommend and read reviews. In the 2500th you have a wonderful rye will turn out.And spend the saved 1,5 thousand for your pleasure.
I will try to send you a file in PM with my research on this forum. There is a blue heading like this:
"How Easy To Bake Rye Bread in Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 - Watch a movie, read step-by-step instructions HERE."
Good luck to you!






Wit
Quote: Wit

Yes, perfectly rye is baked in the 2500th! Here's a reference for you and WALK! https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0
Read to subtitle "We bake in a bread maker" Panasonic SD-207 (253, 254, 255, 256, 257 and 2500, 2501, 2502)».
"...We choose a combination of two programs "Gluten-free" + "Baking" (for models SD-2500, 2501, 2502 Basic Rapid programs ... "and further down. I recommend and read the reviews. In 2500 you will have a wonderful rye. And spend the saved 1.5 thousand for your pleasure.
I will try to send you a file in PM with my research on this forum. There is a blue heading like this:
"How Easy To Bake Rye Bread With Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 - Watch a movie, read step-by-step instructions HERE."
Good luck to you!






Irrina
Quote: Wit

Yes, perfectly rye is baked in the 2500th!
Good luck to you!
I'm very happy about that
I will bake, I think I will still come running for advice))
Thank you
Lagri
Cope. You can knead the dough for the cake on the "Pizza" mode, add raisins and other ingredients somewhere before the end of the kneading (so that you do not grind them with a mixer), then after kneading, turn off the mode by pressing "Stop" and turn on the "Baking" mode for 1 hour, eg.

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