Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (2)

Good afternoon, tomorrow I'm going for 2502, the question arose, there are 2 dispensers for yeast and other additives. Can you make dough with or without a dispenser? That is, according to recipes for 2501 and 2500, well, in general for other Panasonic models?

Can! I gave a report above about the choice between these models of bread makers. I'll try to find links. It was in May, I think. In my opinion, dispensers are gadgets that do not justify asking for money for them. But it's up to you. I'll look for a report. I analyzed everything in detail there.

I would be grateful, I think between 2502 and 2501, 2502 wins due to the steel case, I did not notice any more differences between them, well .. except for the 2nd dispenser

I would be grateful, I think between 2502 and 2501, 2502 wins due to the steel case, I did not notice any more differences between them, well .. except for the 2nd dispenser

Start at page 9 of this thread and go! https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=169416.160 This will help you make a decision. Pay attention to these answers too:
"Reply # 177 02 May 2012, 08:25",
"Reply # 182 02 May 2012, 09:13" - very revealing, with a link worth reading.
"Reply # 187 02 May 2012, 10:38".
"Reply # 193 02 May 2012, 14:37"
And here is my report: "Reply # 207 May 04, 2012, 10:35" page 11 and link: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=169416.200
Now decide if you need these dispensers. More precisely, they are worth the money that you are going to pump up on them.

And "dispenser" money is better spent on electronic kitchen scales. You cannot do without them now.

Although, if you like the metal case, then ... When you like something, it is useless to argue, this is a clinical case. Himself like that. If I like it, then he is given priority and no one will judge you. Good luck to you!

Thank you, I will read now

When you like something, it is useless to argue, this is a clinical case. Himself like that. If I like it, then he is given priority and no one will judge you. Good luck to you!

Exactly

Good evening! Yesterday we bought a x \ n Panasonic sd2502, today they baked the first bread-egg, on 1 program, size M, I have not tried it myself, but my husband has already eaten 2 slices, he said delicious! I am interested in the question: everyone fakes the process inside x \ n, but how to look there, the bread can fall off, is it possible to open x \ n when it works?

when the first batch is in progress, you can. When the bun is formed, everything suits you, then close it and do not touch it again

[Rabbit,]

Rabbit, We congratulate you on joining our big friendly family of bakers! Welcome! The lid can be opened while kneading the dough, sometimes using a silicone spatula. When the dough is rising, the lid is not opened, otherwise the dough will fall off. You can open it slightly, look closer to the end of baking, when the aroma of bread is already coming in order to control the degree of ruddy of the crust.

Our grandmothers-great-grandmothers kneaded dough and baked bread without bread makers, while they did not adhere to the temperature to the nearest degree.

The rule - not to disturb the dough during the proofing - usually refers to highly sweet types of yeast dough, that is, cake and any bakery. Bread dough, if correct, allows many liberties. Even poke a finger during the proofing (my child and all fives grabbed the rising dough, the bread came out right beautiful after that), anoint it with some kind of talker a few minutes before baking, so that the bread was beautiful, moisten with water and sprinkle with some seeds.

Hello! Recently I became a satisfied owner of 2502. Before that, there was one of the first lg models since 1998, but in it I mainly made jam and dough, I rarely baked bread. It recently stopped heating enough and had to be thrown away. I did not plan to buy a new one, but having arrived for a meat grinder for some reason I turned to the bread makers. I was ignorant of the new models, so I asked the seller for an opinion and went home with a bosh x500. After reading the reviews at home, I immediately took her back to the store.And two days later, having studied the Internet, I went for 2502 again to Mvideo, but to another store. There, confidently pointing the seller to 2502, she listened to eulogies addressed to the same X500 and again pointed to 2502. Then the seller's killer argument was: "You will throw it out in two years, see the nest for the bowl at the bottom? So it is plastic, the bowl is metal and the temperature is huge when baking. In two years it will become unusable, it has already been proven! " The argument was deadly, I returned home from 2502, baked white bread and rye bread several times (though from the mixture, my husband loves the classic one, so I bought rye mixes for the time being as a safety net) and am insanely happy. True, there is not enough window, but I'm getting used to it, and I really like the dispenser.

Congratulations on your purchase of a nice stove! Welcome to the big friendly family of bakers!

[leemonss]

the seller's killer argument was: "Will you throw it out in two years, see the nest for the bowl at the bottom? So it is plastic, the bowl is metal and the baking temperature is huge. In two years it will become unusable, this has already been proven!"

Wow, that's the argument !!! And in all Panasonic "bowl nest" made of plastic? After all, there are so many models and I seem to have never read complaints about it ... Is the seller catching up with fears? And he also says that "it has already been proven!"
And you, leemonss, Svetlana, congratulations on your purchase! Let the x / stove make you happy for a very long time with good baked goods. Probably, this seller really wanted to sell you some model he liked, that he raised his hand to such a good x / stove.

Has anyone baked rye bread on kvass? I tried. well, it didn't work out. not baked. it feels like it was necessary to add 50 grams of kvass less. baking wheat flour, but peeled rye flour - maybe because of it?

They have an order for a Bosch of some kind (which was shown to the customer twice in a row).

You should have seen the eyes of a seller in El Dorado when she came up to me with her husband. And I showed my husband the bread machines and told me which bug it had. It looked as if a man came in the company of a friend to buy a stove for his wife The saleswoman, when we started to feel the Panasonic 2501, tried to blather something about the mulinex ...

[put a bucket in the nest]

And this very black plastic, where we screw -put a bucket in the nest Panasonic, there is to all of us a long time known and popular because of its durability in general and remarkable heat resistance in particular -plastic carbolite... The widest application in electrical engineering so far. Think of the black bulb holders. After all, they screwed in bulbs up to 200 watts, and the cartridges did not fall apart, not like now the white Chinese cartridges in modern chandeliers. When you have to change new chandeliers precisely because these very cartridges crack and crumble into dust. I had such a sad experience of replacing a chandelier precisely because of these white plastic sockets. Now I have 100% ceramics everywhere in all chandeliers and lamps.

[plastic carbolite]

They have an order for a Bosch of some kind (which was shown to the customer twice in a row).

I thought so too. Confusing buyers and some people trust them ...

And this very black plastic, where we screw in - we install a Panasonic bucket in the nest, is known to all of us for a long time and popular because of its durability in general and remarkable heat resistance in particular -plastic carbolite... The widest application in electrical engineering so far. Think of the black bulb holders. After all, they screwed in bulbs up to 200 watts, and the cartridges did not crumble

Thank you for such a convincing explanation, Creamy! Yes ..., sellers are far from us, owners of x / stoves (for information about models of x / stoves). People will rush to the forum for advice rather than to the store to the sellers ...

It's a shame that they (the ignorant sellers) are pushing this to people with such confidence, as if they were personally present at the tests and revealed all the secrets, some believe. I'm a techie by nature and "I can't be knocked out of the way" I have nothing against bosh, as they say, everyone has their own preferences, but I'm a creepy allergy and having read about smells when heated, I fell into a trance. About Panasonic, the seller also read a terrible stench, but so far (5 loaves !!!) it smells of delicious bread. Probably still have to wait
And about the pleasant))) tell me, there are rum grandmas in the dough recipe and there is "rum (for soaking raisins)" in the ingredients, where to add it? And then the dough in one form or can it be small?

I completely agree with you, I myself was a witness of a similar scene, I advised one of the wives. buy a Panasonic, told her what and how. And at the checkout I see she took Bork, the seller persuaded to buy

[never]

It's a shame that they (ignorant sellers)

Alas, the sellers are not ignorant, but much worse. They are bastards who work on kickbacks. They are paid not by Bosch and Moulinex with Borok, but by the suppliers of these goods.
For a long time I have already been looking at it and taking information from the Internet, mainly on the forums. If any question remains open, I go to the manufacturer's website (but it sometimes takes a long time to wait for an answer) or call the service department. Sometimes I ask questions NOT head-on. I don't trust sellers never! Obsessive-obsessive, I sew it off with a "counterargument". Even if I'm just studying the question. They say to me:
-This is a super thing!
I answer: - This is shit! Link to reviews? Or a service telephone number?
And I move on past the "benefactor" who has lost activity. In 9 cases out of 10, a reference and a telephone number are not asked. In 1 case, I promise to add it next time, but for now I propose to google the question to the seller itself.

I myself have had such cases, and once they even said, "What did we ask for your advice?" After that I keep my mouth shut and give advice when asked. Now information is the currency of our time. A modern rational person, before buying something, has the opportunity to preliminarily collect information, process it in relation to his situation and make the right choice for himself. And if a person comes to the store and asks the seller which model is preferable, then to whom he has more confidence in the unenlightened - to a professional seller who sells these models every day or to a woman (may women forgive me), well, all-knowing aunt, who will ardently persuade a man to buy this particular bread maker for his wife? Therefore, each of us has what he deserves to have.

then to whom does he have more confidence in the unenlightened - to a professional seller who sells these models every day or to a woman (women will forgive me), well, an all-knowing aunt who will ardently persuade a man to buy this particular bread machine for his wife?

The all-knowing aunt will have priority in most of the well-known stores. Auntie, unlike the seller-hauler, will not lie, because she already uses this thing and is happy. And I always want to share my joy with someone.

By the way, the aunts of our forum helped me a lot to make the right decision.

Vit, you are our man. The man is thoughtful. And some men treat women according to the principle "A chicken is not a bird, a woman is not a man," and imagine what it is like to receive advice to such a man, unshakably confident in the superiority of his mind, from some all-knowing woman? Watch out, baba! He doesn't particularly like his, but then some kind of "smart" climbs. I had such a brother-in-law.

Vit, you are our man. The man is thoughtful.

I myself have had such cases, and once they even said, "What did we ask for your advice?" After that I keep my mouth shut and give advice when asked. Now information is the currency of our time. A modern rational person, before buying something, has the opportunity to preliminarily collect information, process it in relation to his situation and make the right choice for himself.And if a person comes to the store and asks the seller which model is preferable, then to whom he has more confidence in the unenlightened - to a professional seller who sells these models every day or to a woman (may women forgive me), well, all-knowing aunt, who will ardently persuade a man to buy this particular bread maker for his wife? Therefore, each of us has what he deserves to have.

Well, yes, I confess it was, but I realized and returned the purchase an hour later. In fact, I came for a meat grinder. And trust in the seller is a "bad" habit that arose from communicating with the gorgeous (if applicable to the seller) seller (he can't be called that way) of photographic equipment for several years already. But apparently this is a special endangered species.

And I was probably lucky with the seller)
Well, or they had a distribution order on Panasonic that day

By the way, I baked French with the addition of rye flour in mineral water, I didn't like the taste

Why suddenly on mineral water?

Why suddenly on mineral water?

: o And in samdel, why? Well, whether this mineral water was with gas or not, I don't even ask ...

and somewhere here I read that instead of water it is added

I'm not sure if I inserted the link correctly, but here:

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ic=1755.0

I admit, of course, that I misunderstood something

oh, yes, the mineral water was quite well with gas and the bread turned out very well, but the aftertaste - no, not really.
maybe a pure wheat oven was necessary

Try again on plain water, I really liked it.

and somewhere here I read that instead of water it is added
oh, yes, the mineral water was quite well with gas and the bread turned out very well, but the aftertaste - no, not really.
maybe a pure wheat oven was necessary

Hm! Then the bread recipe is in the studio. Now let's figure out where the error is

I only use serum instead of water. French is great!

[Andrzej nov]

I only use serum instead of water. French is great!

I haven’t gotten to the serum yet)

A recipe from the instructions for cotton, in which I slightly change the proportions of wheat and rye flour:

Yeast 1 tsp
Flour psh. = 320 g.
Flour hw = 80 g.
Salt = 1 tsp
Oil drain. = 1 tsp
Water = 310 ml.

French mode

Andrzej nov, I always bake in ordinary water, everything is without problems, but I read about mineral water, I took a chance to experiment

A negative result is also a result.

well, yes, especially since I still haven't tried many things

I feel good: because of the busy schedule I don't get to the store, I don't communicate with the sellers in the evening, I read the forums and the manufacturer's website, I order via the Internet. Although under NG I decided to walk through the shopping center and collect goods with discounts. In two stores I had a good conversation with the local "plankton", I learned new information for myself and told them some interesting things.

Actually, now I want to tell you not about that. I didn't get bread yesterday because of a stirrer forgotten on the table (I have to sleep at night, not in the kitchen). So, the yeast at the bottom of the bucket was dry, contrary to the opinion that water leaks under the flour and can wet the express yeast ahead of time. Moreover, the amount of flour untreated with water was 50%, which is about 1.5-2 cm at the bottom (the flour was 400g). Today, too, something incomprehensible happened to the bread, almost did not rise. The third loaf (for lunch) is normal. I measured the voltage in the outlet in the morning (as in the past experience, immediately after the discovery of unsuccessful bread) ~ 242 volts! Daytime ~ 230V. Conclusion: both overvoltage and undervoltage can ruin bread even in Panasonic.

PS Got into the topic "voltage stabilizers" ...

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... I measured the voltage in the outlet in the morning (as in the past experience, immediately after the discovery of unsuccessful bread) ~ 242 volts! Daytime ~ 230V. Conclusion: both overvoltage and undervoltage can ruin bread even in Panasonic.

PS Got into the topic "voltage stabilizers" ...

Where is the undervoltage here? Ahh, you apparently mean that today you had increased voltage. It is not good! 242 and a little more and ... All your electronic equipment could give oak, not just a bread maker. If such drops occur often, then you need to connect through stabilizers. Like the good old days of the mid 60s.

And mine is stable through a stabilizer-transformer. For peace of mind, and we have such a supply. They are laying a new line and they promise that there will be no drops.

Duc used to be lowered - it dropped to 120V, I wrote about "affects or voltage on baking" six months ago. And as our transformer box burned down last year, it became steadily increased. My slow cooker went to the service And yesterday the pies were cooked not in 20, but in 15 minutes, they almost burned out!
Something I can't find a topic about stabilizers ...

230 - 240 THIS IS NORMAL, THERE IS NO NEED TO BUILD A GARDEN OF STABILIZERS HERE.
It fits well into the tolerances, especially since these "extra" 10-20 volts can IN NO way affect the quality of baking.
And it is more correct to measure the voltage in the outlet under load. For example, when HP turned on ten.
Well, also a tester ...

Something I can't find a topic about stabilizers ...

Duc pout, I think, not a topic to look for, but the stabilizer itself. There are a lot of them on the market. You can ask the price for this, for example:
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230 - 240 THIS IS NORMAL, THERE IS NO NEED TO BUILD A GARDEN OF STABILIZERS HERE.
It fits well into the tolerances, especially since these "extra" 10-20 volts can IN NO way affect the quality of baking.

Well, at the expense of "... it fits well ...", you can advise more carefully. Moreover, the bread maker is not yours. Where 242 and 250 are on the way. I will not recommend a stabilizer to you.

230 - 240 THIS IS NORMAL, THERE IS NO NEED TO BUILD A GARDEN OF STABILIZERS HERE.
It fits well into the tolerances, especially since these "extra" 10-20 volts can IN NO way affect the quality of baking.

Well, at the expense of "... fits well ...", you can advise more carefully. Moreover, the bread maker is not yours. Where 242 and 250 are on the way. I will not recommend a stabilizer to you. And the question is not about the effect on baking, but on the health of the bread machine itself.

230 - 240 THIS IS NORMAL, THERE IS NO NEED TO BUILD A GARDEN OF STABILIZERS HERE.
It fits well into the tolerances, especially since these "extra" 10-20 volts can IN NO way affect the quality of baking.
And it is more correct to measure the voltage in the outlet under load. For example, when HP turned on ten.
Well, also a tester ...

, how difficult it is ..... help me decide who to drag home? 2501? 02?

, how difficult it is ..... help me decide who to drag home? 2501? 02?

Everything is not even complicated. If you like a metal case, drag 2502. If you like an extra thousand rubles and save money, drag 2501. And the bread will be equally tasty both in 2501 and in 2502. I think that an extra gadget in the form of a yeast dispenser is useless to you. And for the thousand saved, buy an electronic kitchen scale. You nowhere without them! Good luck to you!

Everything is not even complicated. If you like a metal case, drag 2502. If you like an extra thousand rubles and save money, drag 2501. And the bread will be equally tasty both in 2501 and in 2502. I think that an extra gadget in the form of a yeast dispenser is useless to you. And for the thousand saved, buy an electronic kitchen scale. You nowhere without them! Good luck to you!

oh thanks a lot !!!! Another thanks from my husband! He is ready for anything, but he wants it to be for a long time and to the maximum benefit. It's not about a thousand (although it is clearly not superfluous) and a drum-like design (all the appliances are colorful and the kitchen does not shine for another 2 years), but in convenience and functionality. I read a lot about the "shooting" dispensers, "heat-transmitting" windows, nedovymeshevye at the edges of the blade ..... I am going to often use the stove and use hp for kneading different dough. If dispensaries are not a vital organ, and the color does not play a role, then I think to stop at 2500, especially since it is praised for the site's "bison". Share your opinion? Thank you and good night if you haven't read it already)))))

I read it. Go back to page 31, answer 603. There is a link to my report.I think you will be interested

I read it. Go back to page 31, answer 603. There is a link to my report. I think you will be interested

Thank you !!!! I'm running !!! My husband grumbled that the opinion of a stranger was a priority for me, but he runs to read

I am going to the oven often and use HP for kneading different doughs. If dispensaries are not a vital organ, and the color does not play a role, then I think to stop at 2500, especially since it is praised for the site's "bison". Share your opinion? Thank you and good night if you haven't read it already)))))

Perfect solution! I also hate paying money for features that I won't use.