Bread maker Brand 3801 Program 1 - White bread or basic

[Anya]

I don’t like the instructions, but I don’t know how to customize recipes.

Anya, and why adjust ??? The site has many proven good recipes. You have to find your taste! And what is "not yours" yet as yours !!!

[Kisena]

Kisena, and what kind of bread maker do you have? If with programming, then there are no problems, even if you work, you only need to take a leaven that is almost fertile, and you can put it on at night, in the morning before work, take out the leaven from the refrigerator, feed it to work, and in the evening you bake bread in the oven, you want in a bread maker. You just have to try and everything will work out, there are no difficulties.

Lena, I have Brand. Did I understand correctly: in the morning I took out the leaven, fed it, in a warm place, and in the evening I put everything in the HP and forth.

Lena, I have Brand. Did I understand correctly: in the morning I took out the leaven, fed it, in a warm place, and in the evening I put everything in the HP and forth.

Yes, everything is correct, or in the evening they took out, fed the leaven, and in the morning before work, baked goods.

[Anya]

and I won't bake any more bread, apparently it's not mine. it is not tasty - I do not like raw, tasteless, white, only food and money transferred. I don’t like the instructions, but I don’t know how to customize recipes.

Anya, it is difficult to judge in absentia about your tastes and the tastes of your family, but the main recipes for CP - dairy, whole grain (wheat-rye), with bran and butter cake (sweet pastries) do not need to be adjusted - all the ingredients are selected correctly, and the bread is just 100% should work.
Another thing is that the stove is, as it were, automatic, but it is not able to correct the quality of flour, yeast, etc.
Leave this activity for a while - baking bread at home, and then calmly start again - everything will definitely work out!

P.S. Today I finally weighed how much flour is placed in a measuring cup from HP - 180 g + - 2 g.

I already made it (I showed it to Ksyushka-Plyushka Oksanka above) and yesterday baked it according to a simple recipe - it's delicious, but it's not strong yet, the bread is honey-porous, it didn't rise a lot, but it didn't fail, I baked it and it turned out the same in the oven and in the oven. you need to be strong. but without yeast

Anyuta, how smart you are! Everything is great for you!

["5", aka "French", size - medium, dark crust]

Virgin! Here I am with you!
I also received a test stove from Brand. Quickly looked at this temku - it became interesting how my copy would behave? Will the roof also be light? The bread in the house is still heaps of bread, so I'll try it not earlier than two days later, but the hands are already itching. So I think, where to start?

Well, I was going to try the stove!
I decided to try to bake bread on the mode "5", aka "French", size - medium, dark crust
The recipe is as follows:
- yeast "Fermipan" - 1.2 tsp.
- wheat flour "Makfa" -400 gr.
- homemade serum - 280 ml.
- dry milk - 1.5 tbsp. l.
-salt - 1.2 tsp.
- sugar - 0.5 tbsp. l.
- butter soft - 15 gr.

I placed all the ingredients in the HP bucket according to the manufacturer's recommendation, that is, first liquid, then flour, salt, sugar, milk powder, butter and yeast.

view of the kolobok after the 1st batch
view of the kolobok after the 2nd batch
kolobok view after the 3rd batch
view of the kolobok after the 4th batch
dough piece 1 minute before baking

Let's see what happens as a result ...
In the meantime, my personal, subjective impressions of the stove. Unfortunately, I can only compare with the Panasonic SD 255 I have, but in my opinion, this is a very worthy competitor and comparison with it is not a shame!
So:
- I really liked the design of the stove, in terms of its shape, height and design. For example, my Panasonic does not fit on the cutting table, so it lives on the floor ... Brand calmly becomes and allows you to open the lid, wall cabinets do not interfere with him!

- but for the materials and functionality of the performance, I would put a four ... with a tip ... But this is in comparison, again, with Panasonic!
At first, the material from which the upper part of the lid is made, at the slightest touch to it, becomes covered with spots from fingers and these marks are not so easy to remove. That is, the stove is doomed to either have an eternally sloppy look, or it must be constantly wiped clean!
Secondly, the lid itself "shakes" from side to side .. It is clear that, unlike Panasonic, it is removable (though I have not yet figured out exactly how it is removed), but the removable lid can also be made more rigid. The existing backlash is a crack, a loss of heat, a deterioration in the conditions for lifting and baking ..
If it's not clear, then what I mean is this ..
side viewbottom view

The roof, in spite of the repeated verification of the recipe, did not turn out to be convex .. But, with experience, it is possible to modify the color of the crust, quite !!!

And here is a sectional view:


The son and spouse, having tested, gave the mark "EXCELLENT"

[Elena,]

Elena,congratulations !!! It is very pleasant that such a professional will be there to show his skills !!!

[MariV]

MariV,
Well, Dairy, by definition, will have normal color. Although it seems that Ani has - 14anna08 and Milky was white

No girl - mustard on the water!
Although in dairy it was only creamy on the darkest crust.
The Frenchman also had white.
Today I tried a Frenchie twice - with live yeast, the roof fell at the first one, reduced the yeast, and still fell. I'll take some water off another time. I'll throw off a photo tomorrow.
And yet, about the crust, I am not convinced that it should not be the same color.

I am very glad that our regiment has arrived!

promised a Frenchman, forgive yesterday for the ugly look, this is a Frenchman on live yeast



completely white on a medium crust
Yes, I used to make a cottage cheese roll
Here is a cant - tell me what it can be? did not knead the hp?
and see the color of the bread at 150 !!!! gram of sugar (there was in the recipe) - in my opinion, it should generally be charred with such a quantity



Here is the prescription.
Ingredients
Dry yeast 2 1/2 tsp
Flour / s 500 g
Soft cottage cheese 250 g
(I baked with cottage cheese from 0% to 9%. This does not affect the result.)
Sugar 150 g
Salt 1 tsp
Butter 100 g
Cognac 2 tbsp. l.
Vanilla sugar 1 pack
( vanilla sugar
Milk 150 ml
Egg 2 pcs.
More details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...tion=com_smf&topic=9371.0
Girls tell me I bet on 1000, probably more than 1000 here? why damp?

[Aunt Basichka]

Aunt Basichka, such a clever and beautiful woman, and even a jack of all trades. So I want to praise you again and again! Everywhere you have time! And for the benefit of themselves and for everyone ...

["5", aka "French", size - medium, dark crust]

Well, I was going to try the stove!
I decided to try to bake bread on the mode "5", aka "French", size - medium, dark crust
...

The son and spouse, having tested, gave the mark "EXCELLENT"

Aunt Besya.
The report is impressive
Feels the hand of a professional

[MILK (almost according to the instructions)]

MILK (almost according to the instructions)

I needed table bread, so I was somewhat confused by the amount of butter and sugar in the recipe.
As a result, sugar instead of 3 tbsp. l put 1.5; butter instead of 70 gr. - 40 gr. + 20 vegetable. Well, my milk is rustic, very fatty, so 300 milk + 50 water
Here's what happened ..





Incision later

But the cut on the "Milk" did not work Hubby tried ... How many times I tell him that the initiative is punishable We do not store bread in the bread bin, we cook it in portions (for a day), in film and in shock freezing .. Well, he decided to help me , cut a mustache, packed and glad-happy !!

["Very soft white bread"]

Finally, I found the cord to the camera, the card reader is broken ... Even now I may not remember what and how it happened, but I will try ...

The very first in this bread maker was "Very soft white bread" from Gdalinka. He is always on duty at Panasonic. This time, a bit more dry carrots and a mixture of seeds (in total, no more than 1 tsp) were poured. In Brand, program 1 was used, bread weight per 500g






Program 3 was tried next.
I tried to make bread from Brand's instructions, which went under the name "CZ bread"... I was surprised, like many, by the number of mixes - after all, it is better not to touch rye bread once again
The bread came out unsightly, but oddly enough, the holes and taste were just right
Here is such a low and, judging by the roof, the fry has stood

It was not possible to properly shake out the bread, but in principle rye is too heavy, probably because of this, the piece remained




The next highlight of our program, as the girls recommended, is "Lactic" from the instructions for our HP. Weight 500g, crust - medium.
For some reason, the top didn't come out again I'm fine, but I'm just wondering why

The color is correct, beautiful
The cut is also pretty. The bread is delicious

Anya, maybe she missed something - where is the "joint" in this bread?

Ol, I showed a cant just below

here is a cant - tell me what it can be? did not knead the hp?


Here is the prescription.
Ingredients
Dry yeast 2 1/2 tsp
Flour / s 500 g
Soft cottage cheese 250 g
Sugar 150 g
Salt 1 tsp
Butter 100 g
Cognac 2 tbsp. l.
Vanilla sugar 1 pack
( vanilla sugar
Milk 150 ml
Egg 2 pcs.
Girls tell me I bet on 1000, probably more than 1000 here? why damp?

I asked for raw strips at the crust - what is it? Maybe I wanted a lot from HP?
I specially cited the recipe - I asked you maybe the weight is more than 1000?
I then somewhere asked a question to count from the weight of flour 500 grams or I add the weight of all components? - I read different things on the forum - got confused.
BUT THEN I BEGAN TO MAKE 1/2 NORM (because I still don't know more than 1000 recipes or not) and yesterday I showed this curd loaf from half the norm, plus I started to heat the butter before making this recipe - in general, how could I get out ...
All!!! I was answered in another topic about weight !!!

Take me to your company too. Received a stove for testing.
To begin with, I decided to use the "duty" recipe:

Kefir 100 ml
Water 170 ml
Salt 1 tsp
Sugar 1 tbsp. l.
Vegetable oil 1 tbsp. l.
Wheat flour "Makfa" -400 gr.
Fast-acting dry yeast 1 tsp.

Program 1, weight 750 g, medium crust.
The first batch was missed, not photographed
Second batch Third batch Fourth batch


The one who had read about the pale upper crust covered the viewing window with foil. All the same, the top turned out to be pale, baked for 5 minutes.


Delicious bread turned out, this is very respected by my family. They demanded to repeat!

Therefore, we made a second call:
Kefir 100 ml
Water 250 ml
Salt 1.5 tsp
Sugar 1.5 tbsp l.
Vegetable oil 1-2 tbsp. l.
Wheat flour "Makfa" -500 gr.
Fast-acting dry yeast 1.5 tsp. (I had Dr. Oetker yeast at home, next time I will try with "Fermipan")

Program 1, weight 1000g, medium crust. Bake for 5 minutes.

For the future, I noted to myself that the crust should be set "Dark". True, it is very cool at home now.





First impressions:

The kneading is loud. On the second loaf, she was ready for the noise and paid almost no attention.
You can safely do without a viewing window, then the upper crust will be darker.
Taste, smell, appearance of the bread - "excellent".
Pulp without traces of impurities, baked, not wet, fine-grained. The crust is thin (though not heated).

[Lenusya!]

Lenusya!For 1000 gr. the bread turned out beautiful! And the crust is pale, right?

[Lenusya]

I'm very happy for the girls! Lenusya, the color of the bun is just how I like it! I need to try your recipe on my copy, my top crust is much lighter.
Anyuta, 100% rye will not be very high, it does not rise much.

[Lactic]

Lenochek, the crust was pale yesterday. Today is a completely different matter !!!!! Maybe yesterday the voltage in the network was low.

Lactic from the instructions, weight 1000 gr., medium crust.
Sugar added 1.5 tbsp. l. instead of 3 tbsp. l. , Fermipan yeast, homemade milk.

Here is the result



Catwoman, and the crust is light, even if the viewing window is covered with foil? (closed folded in four)

[Catwoman]

Catwoman, and the crust turns out to be light, even if the viewing window is closed with foil? (closed folded in four)

Yes, but I bake absolutely no sugar, the dairy was fried.

[Program 1 White bread, weight 1000, dark crust.]

Program 1 White bread, weight 1000, dark crust.

The recipe is from the instructions, the amount of flour has been reduced from 605 to 500 g.
Water 330 ml
Vegetable oil 2 tbsp. l.
Salt 1.5 tsp
Sugar 1 tbsp. l.
Wheat flour (I have "Makfa") 500 g
Dry fast-acting yeast 1.5 tsp.

[Lenusya]

Lenusya, very pretty bread turned out! Was the window covered with foil during baking?

[BREAD with ONION and DIED SEEDS]

And I baked today BREAD with ONION and DIED SEEDS
mode No. 1
dark crust (still covered with foil)
size large

RECIPE:
- serum 300 ml
- flour "MAKFA" 500 gr
-salt 1.5 tsp
- sugar 1.5 tbsp l
- yeast "Fermipan" 1.5 tsp
- dill seed 1 tsp
-1 large onion, sautéed in vegetable oil

According to the recipe, according to which I always bake this bread in Panasonic, the liquid should be 330 grams. I took 300, but this turned out to be a LOT. Gingerbread man controlled and added almost three tablespoons of flour!
The aroma and taste are great!
I cut it right from the stove, so the cut is a little "shaggy" ... I just get high on the new Japanese knives, I couldn't resist

Lena!
What about knives?

[like these ones]

Lena!
What about knives?

like these ones
For me, a miracle-hot bread is cut ... exactly !!!!

[RECIPE:]

Hell "Mustard" ...

RECIPE:

- yeast 1 tsp
- flour 450 gr
-salt 1.5 tsp
- sugar 1.5 tbsp l.
- butter 20 gr
- mustard oil 2 tbsp. l.
- mustard powder - 1 tsp
- serum 300 ml

While he was cooling down (well, I thought that he was cooling down ... resting ...) the men ate half, and absolutely barbarously!
In general, I swore,; -D was ashamed,; -D said that this is "testing" and "what will I show people"



Impressions: again rose much lower than it turns out in Panasonic, but the taste is excellent and, as can be seen from the cut, a very bad crumb (though there is some kind of hole in the middle, only in the photo I saw it)

By the way, I have long been occupied with one question: why in some stoves the manufacturer recommends stacking the ingredients in the order of yeast-dry components-liquid, and in others in a completely opposite order? What's the trick here? Agitators work on the same principle, rotate in a circle with an easy grip from the bottom up ...
In general, I baked this bread, laying the ingredients as in Panasonic, that is, first yeast and flour, and only then liquid ..
As you can see, nothing happened. So bullshit is all ...
I found out for myself two huge minuses of the stove (but this is purely individual) -too quiet beep, both for adding something, and ready signal !!! Well, I can't even hear him from the room next to the kitchen! : cray: And no one can hear it .. And the second - after turning off the stove goes into heating. When canceled, it does not turn off, but returns to program # 1. If you do not unplug from the outlet, accidental start is not excluded.
In Panasonic, this moment is thought out better: the indicator is on during operation, at the end of the program it blinks, when the heating (or program) is turned off, it goes out and the stove turns off. It is impossible to accidentally run the program.

[Aunt Besya]

Aunt Besya,
Len, I, too, out of habit, as in Panasonic, I put it. And I also feel uncomfortable that the "Start" konopochka without illumination, I turn it off and think - turned it off or what? But I already said to Vadim or Elena about this, or am I confusing?

[Lena-Besya]

Lena-Besya, when baking this bread, covered the window with foil?

definitely! Without foil, the crust is completely white

This is probably a problem for all stoves with a window.

Now the mustard-milk will be baked, I will take it out and take a picture, the crust is medium, weight 1 kg. Here's a nightmare I got! Bursting, although the bun was very good, it was definitely not cool. Cut it still hot, still let it on crackers. Although the smell of mustard is pleasant, instead of dry mustard, I took ready-made granular.

Flax, and mine would have eaten such a thing, look what a good crumb!

The bucket was not changed - they said that you need to know about my hp, maybe they will have to change everything together, I would change.

Can I have a photo with the attached foil?

["BUCKET WITH RAISINS"]

Well, this is today's "BUCKET WITH RAISINS"
Mode No. 1, dark crust, weight 1000
RECIPE:
- yeast 1.5 tsp
- wheat flour 400 gr
- buckwheat flour 100 gr
-serum-350 gr
-salt 1.5 tsp
- sugar 1.5 tbsp. l
- raisins 100 gr
-panifarin 1 tsp


The top in this bread is always so "cardillera", so the stove is not to blame! The height of the bread in this case suits me perfectly! The taste is excellent, have already tried it!


Buckwheat flour is very heavy and contains little gluten, so that the bread is taller and fluffier and additional panifarin is needed ..

and without "panifarin 1 tsp" will work? please tell me?
pressed can 12 grams? and this is 1 mode per 1000?

I answered in the post itself
We are tight with live yeast. You can't always buy fresh ones, so I'm used to baking at Fermipan! They will tell you about pressed girls!

[Lena-Besya]

Lena-Besya, handsome yummy!
14anna08 -
ABOUT YEAST

[SNACK BREAD WITH PAPRICA AND TOMATOES]

SNACK BREAD WITH PAPRICA AND TOMATOES
RECIPE:
- serum 330 ml
- yeast 1.5 tsp
- wheat flour 510 gr
-salt 1.5 tsp
- sugar 1.5 tbsp
- ground paprika 15 gr
- dried tomatoes 15 gr
- olive oil 1.5 tbsp
You can use sun-dried tomatoes, drenched in oil, but in this case, slightly reduce the amount of oil in the recipe.
I love this bread very much !!!
Beautiful. fragrant, tasty and very good in toast!
Gingerbread man did not control ...
mode No. 1, weight 1000, dark crust (covered the window with foil)


The bread was baked in the first hour of the night, cut it as soon as I removed it from the bucket ... Scientists ... swam and ... we know ... Judging by the fact that my men were in the mood to watch some kind of film, by the morning there would be little left ...

!

repeated the bread with tomatoes and paprika, but the pickled tomatoes, the indicated amount, dissolved ...



tell me why such a roof can be bread?

[An]

tell me why such a roof can be bread?

An, what don't you like? What is it? In my opinion, a very successful bread!

Yeah, Ksyusha, she jumps out normal, and then she seems to be blown away and becomes waves. although hot voids are not groped

Yeah, Ksyusha, she jumps out normal, and then she seems to be blown away and becomes waves. although hot voids are not groped

Anh, look how thin she is, how can she not get used to it. Do not torture yourself with such trifles. Is it still wet in your house?

yes, it seems not, okay, maybe the bun has not yet mastered to the end, by the way, well, I won't make friends with the leaven today.

[14anna08]

14anna08,
Anh, this is a normal roof - do you cool the bread under the towel?

yeah under the towel.

Well, it’s like that for me - under the flight from hot bread there is condensation, and then such a roof does not bother me

Thank you, Lenochka, I'll try to cool it off without him.

yeah under the towel.

So here it is moisture!

Thank you, Lenochka, I'll try to cool it off without him.

Without a towel, the roof will not crumple.

[Anyuta]

Anyuta, the bread is wonderful, I always have such a roof after a towel, it cools down. Well done, experimenting, I've done almost nothing for a week.