Help with choosing a bread maker

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Is Brand 3801 worth your attention? How is it quality?
It seems that the reviews are good ... But we have only one SC in the city.

[How is it quality?]

Is Brand 3801 worth your attention? How is it quality?
It seems like the reviews are good ... But we have only one SC in the city.

What is good for them, a defective part, in the absence of a SC, they can send you by mail, and replacing it is no longer such a big problem.
In terms of quality, this is a solid company not of the first echelon, price-quality-capabilities are simply excellent.
And from them in the online store you can buy by mail and not overpay.

: girl_cleanglasses: At the moment, I consider Mystery 1202 (1870r) and Brand 3801 (3600r) as real candidates
Given the confusion and vacillation from the abundance of new information, I tend to the lowest cost.
Can anyone assess the value for money in both cases?
And which of them can bake rye bread and sourdough bread in a more automatic mode? Which you can refuel for the night with a timer and not wake up the family?

I immediately say Brand is loud, but can you still follow the kolobok? it is not very convenient for postponing - there must be a very precise recipe.

[And which of them can bake rye bread and sourdough bread]

: girl_cleanglasses: At the moment, I consider Mystery 1202 (1870r) and Brand 3801 (3600r) as real candidates
Given the confusion and vacillation from the abundance of new information, I tend to the lowest cost.
Can anyone assess the value for money in both cases?
And which of them can bake rye bread and sourdough bread, in a more automatic mode? Which you can refuel for the night with a timer and not wake up the family?

mumi - Madam! Who chooses that?
I already wrote to you that Brand 3801 is the most advanced programmable bread-baking machine on the Russian market today, which gives the maximum opportunity to automate the process of baking any bread and for a reasonable price.
What else is there to add? Knock yourself on the chest?

There is no complete automatic machine for a number of varieties and methods of baking bread, so that you farted (sorry) and ready - no.
Do you have doubts? There are numbers and facts for arguments and comparison.
Brand is not the first echelon of manufacturers, but it is good and solid.
Mysteries and the like, these are not manufacturers of bread machines at all, they are just stickers of their own brands, with all that often follows. Look at the market for a bunch of twin stoves. Yes, what can I say, sometimes you just won't find instructions. They write to me to help adapt with rye bread and a bummer in this place, there is no instruction or where to turn.
Think about what you've written.

p.s.
Although you are only for reference - there is a full automatic machine, it is sold in the USA and Canada, even a finger and a bucket do not stain, but with a defect.
Bread is baked only from sets of special mixtures for a very small loaf of $ 12-15.

Dear bakers, how do you like this oven, is it programmable and with a dispenser, that is, it won't yell at night?
Applica Breadman Bread Maker BK1050S

Dear bakers, how do you like this oven, is it programmable and with a dispenser, that is, it won't yell at night?
Applica Breadman Bread Maker BK1050S

Kenwood 450 is one-on-one and why drag over the hills? And the guarantee again. Yelling at night will not be any HP if you do not set the program with nuts / raisins. They make noise, yes ... the quietest Panasonic

[she is programmable]

Dear bakers, how do you like this oven, she is programmable and with a dispenser, that is, will not yell at night?
Applica Breadman Bread Maker BK1050S

This oven and did not come close with programming.
Has a standard set of 12 programs, which is also presented on the local market in a cloud of bread machines.
The main difference is the folding blade from Breadman and the lack of a guarantee in Russia.

I already wrote to you that Brand 3801 is the most advanced programmable bread-baking machine on the Russian market today, which provides the maximum opportunity to automate the process of baking any bread and for a reasonable price.
What else is there to add?
There is no complete automatic machine for a number of varieties and methods of baking bread, so that you farted (sorry) and ready - no.
Brand is not the first echelon of manufacturers, but it is good and solid.
Mysteries and the like, these are not manufacturers of bread machines at all, they are just stickers of their own brands, with all that often follows. Look at the market for a bunch of twin stoves. Yes, what can I say, sometimes you just won't find instructions. They write to me to help adapt with rye bread and a bummer in this place, there is no instruction or where to turn.
Although for your reference only - there is a full automatic, in the USA and Canada

Well, don't be angry! I read for almost two days in a row ...: girl_cray1: Finally, just based on my impressions - about these stoves. The question is, of course, poorly formulated.
I'm not looking for a full automatic. : - \ The key word was MORE. After reading a little longer, I realized the difference myself. And I do not at all compare them on equal terms. Rather, I am looking for the necessary minimum, for which it is not a pity to give a certain amount AT THE MOMENT.
: girl_cleanglasses: The very fact of baking rye bread in the Mystery is interesting. In the beginning I didn't find it in the topic about rye bread, but in the topic about the stove it was about baking rye bread. I hope, due to the great popularity of this model, the recipe for real rye will also be adapted for it.
: drinks: As a result, at a family council, they decided to buy Mystery1202 and actively wait while they upgrade Brand. Of the read and viewed, I liked it the most, but since I still have to dance around it, we decided to dance for more reasonable money and take the stove to the dacha.
So I'm not completely insane, just a blonde with glasses - that's where the weirdness comes from.

[The brand is going to be updated. From the forum about the brand:]

The brand is going to be updated. From the forum about the brand:

Good day,
what is the cost of these buckets, at least approximately? And stirrers?
Are you planning to make the coating of your buckets more durable in the batch that will be on sale in May / June?

At the moment, we are discussing with the manufacturer the possibility of making the bucket cover more reliable. But the final decision has not yet been reached. Accordingly, it is too early to talk about the price.
At the moment, the bread makers are all sold out. There was a small trial batch. We are now making changes to the bread machine program. (It will be possible to program five programs in manual mode).


And what other specific changes will be in the new HP modification? Am I thinking whether to buy it now or wait? Will the oven be heavily modified?

There were no negative reviews on the work of the programmed programs. Therefore, they did not change them.
It was decided to improve the "Manual" mode. It will be possible to program not one (as now), but five of your programs. Moreover, we will increase the maximum execution time of some stages, for example, on the rise of the dough.

The updated stoves will arrive only in May - June I don't want to wait for something like that!

[The brand is going to be updated. From the forum about the brand:]

The brand is going to be updated. From the forum about the brand:

The updated stoves will arrive only in May - June I don't want to wait for something like that!

So I didn’t wait. : girl_in_dreams: Bought the cheapest one with decent reviews for mastering the basics, Mystery 1202. In citylink -1870r is very acceptable. self-pickup.
I can give advice right away - do not buy do not bring the stove home at night looking.
The rest of the evening I was looking for a simpler recipe and so that for such a stove, they would crowd around the ball at midnight (only there was not enough turnip and a hut on chicken legs). It was hard to believe that this pitiful dangling piece of metal could mix something.
Then they smelled ... I didn't get enough sleep at all.
By the way, it was baked pretty well. Ruddy, the crust, however, immediately put a dark one - it turned out flush with the walls, crunches. The crumb is klyaklovat, but it was clear (although they realized it too late) - the kolobok was a little messy and stuck to the finger when they dared (already at the proofing stage) to touch it. And the view is generally cute. We baked this one without rye flour https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=160382.0

I'm happy with the stove and my own prudence (although somewhat wasteful in someone's eyes, of course).Now programming with flaws would clearly be an unnecessary annoyance,: girl_cray: and also the fear of new technology has not passed.
Take Mystery for now - and how much they are transported there. I like the design and the size. The socket is convenient, process indication. Well, the price, as for a bucket from Panasonic, reassures me personally.

[Now programming with flaws]

I'm happy with the stove and my own prudence (although somewhat wasteful in someone's eyes, of course). Now programming with flaws clearly would be an unnecessary irritant, dancing with a Tambourine around the bread machine soothes : girl_cray: and also the fear of new technology has not passed.
Take Mystery for now - and how much they are transported there. I like the design and the size. The socket is convenient, process indication. Well, the price, as for a bucket from Panasonic, reassures me personally.

Show, show us for education, programming with flaws - pliz!

[Rye bread]

Show, show us for education, programming with flaws - pliz!

So read the topic about Brand "for enlightenment." : mail1: I've only been here for three days, I draw conclusions only for myself and those who choose.
According to the testers, they would like to change some parameters - to defeat the oddities with the crust, while there is only one manual program, people hope to regulate the time of proofing and baking, etc., etc. ... And it seems there is hope for accounting at least parts of their wishes.
I now need the most primitive version,: secret: and especially to my mother, she will obviously faint from the word "programming" on an unfamiliar technique. I can't teach her to watch a movie from outside on TV ...

By the way, you are quoting strangely, something about dancing and calming ... This is clearly not my post, but some kind of compilation.
As if I need to be caught in something ... The main thing is what?
I myself was imbued with Brand, including through your links in Rye bread, but for now - I'm waiting for the updated model, getting used to koloboks, buttons, etc. And in no way do I consider one as a substitute for another.

And Mystery bakes well for the non-experimental novice. And I would really like to get some attention to Mystery in your topic about Rye Bread. : girl_in_dreams: Judging by the vastness of the topic about the M1202 (and the speed at which the stoves in the store decrease in two days), many people enjoy using it.

By the way, my Mystery meat grinder (for about the same money) is just lovely. Meat ordinary meat with veins without tension, without winding and removing the components for cleaning. So far, even their low-quality knife has not been exchanged for a Panasonic one. This was an important voice FOR this stove. Maybe they just glue stickers with their name, but often on quite successful models.

dancing with a Tambourine around the bread machine soothes and also the fear of new technology has not passed.

There were no dances, just 1 program.
And the fear of touching the kneaded bun with your hands and the inability to add flour on time - yes, alas! I confess.

The round dance was led out of amusement. He's moving! Himself! So it's all in the order of self-irony. Toys for girls.
That is, this stage of baking in Mystery is optional. You could go to sleep.

By the way, it stank at the beginning of baking mung bean. oil is terrible, I thought the bread would go bad. But - no, the smell clearly did not go inside the machine, and stopped quickly, after 30 minutes completely.

In general, I ordered a brand stove yesterday, ships, as of the order, today it is already in my city)
I think tomorrow or the day after tomorrow I'll go pick it up by self. The cost is 4380r, in general, in anticipation -)
I hope to get a good unit.
ps any suggestions from the Brand owners regarding the first inspection? What should you pay special attention to?

In general, I ordered a brand stove yesterday, ships, as of the order, today it is already in my city)
I think tomorrow or the day after tomorrow I'll go pick it up by self. The cost is 4380r, in general, in anticipation -)
I hope to get a good unit.
ps any suggestions from the Brand owners regarding the first inspection? What should you pay special attention to?

Examine externally and if possible, then turn on the kneading - the Dough program.
There is also a separate scale, it is also useful to turn it on.

[they would like to change some parameters - defeat the oddities]

....
According to the testers, they would like to change some parameters - defeat the oddities with a crust, while only one manual program, people hope to regulate the time of proofing and baking etc. ...
....
And I would really like to get some attention to Mystery in your topic about Rye Bread.
...

We piled everything together - everything is regulated in manual mode in this bread maker (Brand 3801).
And the firmware (installation) of built-in programs, for all and for all cases, you will not please, well, or Bork x800 for 14,500 rubles for this, there it is.

FROM Mystery 1202, Recommendations on baking Rye Custard today I will lay out how to do it.
And the Tambourine will just be useful with this model, without it a normal rye will not work and often you will not have enough time, one hour of waiting to switch to get this bread.
This is where you will remember what programming is and how it helps.
Well, well, everything is fine!
In Brand 3801 in particular, this is done in one approach and without losing one hour of waiting.

: girl_cleanglasses: I want rye, I just need to get some flour!

This is not a problem, go to the sections - Communication with fellow countrymen and Where to buy.

[Mystery 1202]

And the firmware (installation) of built-in programs, for all and for all cases, you cannot please,

FROM Mystery 1202, Recommendations on baking Rye Custard today I will lay out how to do it.
And the Tambourine will just be useful with this model, without it a normal rye will not work and often you will not have enough time, one

And I was pleased with their expressed plans for modernization.

Thank you! It will be very great, albeit with a tambourine for now.

I am still more than satisfied, because it would be a shame for me to know that the stove bought for more than 4 sput is about to become much more convenient. And with Mystery she got what she expected. Brand will then bake black and any delicacy, and white and under. and so good.

By the way, (the stove is still good) - I suddenly realized that this was not Brandt! I thought it was the same old French firm that makes trouble-free washing machines. And this is the new "consonant" the brand Brand

I want rye, you just need to get hold of flour!

If there is Auchan - there is a LEE, ordinary rye costs 18r / kg, 30r / 2kg.

[Non-bulky]

If there is Auchan - there Non-bulky, ordinary rye costs 18r / kg, 30r / 2kg.

mumi, activity is good, but if you don't know for sure, then don't overload people in vain.
IN Ashan is mainly peeled rye and is sold and it costs 18 rubles / kg.
And if nothing is written in large size on a pack of two kilograms, then it is useful to read also the inscriptions in small print. Read it.

[mumi]

If there is Auchan - there is a LEE, ordinary rye costs 18r / kg, 30r / 2kg.

mumi, activity is good, but if you don't know for sure, then don't overload people in vain.
IN Ashan is mainly peeled rye and is sold and it costs 18 rubles / kg.
And if nothing is written in large size on a pack of two kilograms, then it is useful to read also the inscriptions in small print. Read it.

This is cool, of course, given the fact that Auchan is far from everywhere

Well, yes, especially when the profile does not indicate where from, I also noticed. She was sent just to the countrymen in the section.
But now, if you take care of this, you can find it without mail.
As a rule, in any regional center there are one or two shops that sell rye flour, these are usually consumer cooperation stores. A trip to the villages of the Smolensk region confirmed this once again.

Well, it means rough. Anyway, there is only one type of rye flour, but it is cheap. The bread is delicious.
Is this a crime? : oMay be skipped by those who already know everything. And someone will use it.
For example, I would gladly find in the posts specific places where they buy ingredients not for big money, as in some online stores present at the forum and without going round the consumer cooperation.

Only cheese is easy.
The rest is in Moscow in bags, if you want cheaper.
Flour 12 rubles
Acidifiers and additives, malt, coriander, cumin 60-80 rubles each.

In general, I bought myself a Brand) Now I put the first recipe:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=157965.0
(chose the first one that came across from the simple ones). Thank you all for your help in choosing
ps the first question arose, how much can you trust the recipes from the instructions for the stove? Do they correspond to reality, or is it better to search on the forum?

[Or is it better to search on the forum?]

In general, I bought myself a Brand) Now I put the first recipe:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=157965.0
(chose the first one that came across from the simple ones). Thank you all for your help in choosing
ps the first question arose, how much can you trust the recipes from the instructions for the stove? They are true Or is it better to search on the forum?

On the forum and with a high rating - from 50,000 visits.
This will be a 100% hit.

I want to buy a small HP, read the forum, started looking closely, but I met this one:

VES Electric SK-A1
Multi-bread maker
Power - 600-720 W
13 automatic programs (classic bread, french loaf, sweet bread, whole flour bread, yoghurt bread, muffin, noodles / dumplings, jam, yeast dough, sandwich bread, quick bake, heating, yoghurt)
Liquid crystal display
Selection of baking weight 450/680/900 grams
Choice of crust color (light, medium, dark)
Automatic keep baking hot for 60 minutes
Timer with a delay of up to 16 hours
Save settings for 30 minutes in the event of a power failure
Non-stick coated bakeware
2 measuring spoons, glass, hook included
Cool case
Ready alert
Viewing window

This is her characteristic from the official website. I found only one positive review, and even then only on the Yandex market. I made an order for Sunday for 2600 rubles, and then I doubted and I was thinking about withdrawing my order, because I had already searched the entire Internet and did not find any more reviews and those who would use such HP. If you have any questions, then there will be no one to ask
Can anyone know about this HP, how does it work?

I want to buy a small HP, read the forum, started looking closely, but I met this one:
...

Why don't you want to take a normal, proven stove right away?
Or does the spirit of adventure in one place haunt you?

Proven HP can also be defective or fail early. I just know that VES produces high-quality MBs (they have two friends and they are satisfied with their work) and it is quite possible that they have good HP as well. By the way, I called the service center today with the question of whether these HPs often have a marriage. To which they replied that HP began to be sold only six months ago and so far no one has contacted them about repairs.
I am attracted by this HP because at such a low price at which I found it, it has very good functions.

Nevertheless, I decided not to tempt fate, not to take a "pig in a poke" and opted for Panasonic 2501 and Mystery MBM-1202. Please help with the choice. I will mainly bake 500 gram bread. How does Panasonic bake such small quantities? I understand that these ovens are difficult to compare, but Mystery MBM-1202 is designed for baking smaller volumes of bread, and how is Panasonic? Will this not be a big load for him from baking such small volumes, will he overheat? And please don't laugh at my, maybe from your point of view, stupid questions

[DeLora]

DeLora Panasonic perfectly bakes bread from 400g flour Less is just hard to knead properly

[Delora]

Delora, I bake in Panasonic 2500 small bread from 280 grams of flour, read the answer number 23 in the topic "Non-standard forms for Panasonic"

Vvnya28

I understand the love for Brand. Yes. Such a price and such a set of features. But it was alarming in their topic that they were doing something there, fixing, doing some more work ... The impression that the device is for skillful pens and those who love to dig into technology .. Some kind of association with our auto industry ...
Maybe I'm overly pessimistic ?!

[DeLora]

DeLora Panasonic perfectly bakes bread from 400g of flour Less is simply difficult to knead properly

And I also bake bread in Panasonic 2502 from 300 g.flour constantly. All OK.

[Maybe I'm overly pessimistic ?!]

Vvnya28
I understand the love for Brand. Yes. Such a price and such a set of features. But it was alarming in their topic that they were doing something there, fixing, doing some more work ... The impression that the device is for skillful pens and those who love to dig into technology .. Some kind of association with our auto industry ...
Maybe I'm overly pessimistic ?!

This is from lack of experience.
I don't have a Brand bread maker.
In this version, this is an excellent model, but the fact that they are finalizing the program firmware together with us is only a plus for these guys.
For this price, it's a stove with the expected value for money and very good features.
If you want better - you have to pay extra from 1.5 to 10 thousand rubles,
and the majority of people will have more modest possibilities for adapting recipes,
the advantage will be obtained mainly in the mechanics of stoves.
Here, only Panasonic stands apart, and in terms of programming and mechanics only Breville is superior to it - these are Bork x800 and Zozhirushi.

As I understand it, dough on dumplings, manti and so on is good in a bread maker. And which bread maker is best for making dumplings dough? The budget is not limited in principle.
Or is it in vain that I bother with a bread maker for these purposes and are there more suitable devices for these purposes? My harvester is simply too weak for a tough dough, and buying a top-end Kenwood for 20k is somehow expensive.

As I understand it, dough on dumplings, manti and so on is good in a bread maker. And which bread maker is best for making dumplings dough?

Panasonic kneads dumplings dough just fine, but for one bookmark up to 600 grams of flour!

I advise Panasonic, I love him dearly, that he is so clever that he prepares all-dough on dumplings, on dumplings, on manti, on noodles, yeast, unleavened and butter. And what kind of bread it bakes! I have never regretted my choice.

As I understand it, dough on dumplings, manti and so on is good in a bread maker. And which bread maker is best for making dumplings dough? The budget is not limited in principle.

Yes, probably any bread maker kneads the dough well. I have Moulinex 502430 with a power of 1650 W that kneads the dough perfectly and Panasonic 2502, less powerful (550 W), also kneads perfectly. But they bake, it seems, in different ways. I tried the same bread recipe on both and made this conclusion. But I really like Panasonic. And if "The budget is not limited in principle", then take Panasonic unambiguously, otherwise you will mix, mix the dough and suddenly you want to bake bread, here you will remember how you chose the x / stove. Because of the dough, it's worth bothering with the x / stove, that's for sure. She will make the dough for you so that you do not knead this yourself and your hands will rest once more, and time will be freed up for other things.

Well, I see everyone here advises Panasonic. Apparently really the best option. So we will take it
Thank you all for the advice

Yes, probably any bread maker kneads the dough well. I have Moulinex 502430 with a power of 1650 W that kneads the dough perfectly and Panasonic 2502, less powerful (550 W), also kneads perfectly. But they bake, it seems, in different ways. I tried the same bread recipe on both and made this conclusion. But I really like Panasonic. And if "The budget is not limited in principle", then take Panasonic unambiguously, otherwise you will mix, mix the dough and suddenly you want to bake bread, here you will remember how you chose the x / stove. Because of the dough, it's worth bothering with the x / stove, that's for sure. She will make the dough for you so that you do not knead this yourself and your hands will rest once more, and time will be freed up for other things.

I also did such an experiment, but after LV, bread from the LV recipe in Panasonic is much tastier

I have an LV, I won't say anything - it works, bakes ... for 8 years already (when will it just break?)
BUT, after I tasted the bread from Panasonic, I realized that I had bought the wrong stove. Heaven and earth to taste. Therefore, I rarely bake bread in my oven, when there is absolutely no time. I use it mainly for kneading dough, and bake in the oven.

Please tell me which bread maker is better to choose. I tried the club at the iconic Moulinex just heaven and earth with a purchased one. Liked the milk and lemon. but in general I would like such that it was possible to make dough for both pies and pizza.
I liked the Kenwood BM450 Bread Maker (you can add your own programs + dispenser), but the stories with the broken glass were alarmed
Bread Maker Panasonic SD-ZB2502BTS
Bread Maker Panasonic SD-2501WTS
Bread Maker Panasonic SD-2500WTS
I did not understand the difference between them except for the steel body of the first. I didn't think about this brand at all, but there are so many reviews about the taste
Moulinex OW502430 bread maker (I was treated with bread from it) + baguette holders
Bread maker Moulinex OW310E30

Here ..: girl_red: help please

Bread Maker Panasonic SD-2501WTS

Best of all this: Bread maker Panasonic SD-2501WTS, or if without dispenser Panasonic SD-2500WTS

Choose any of the Panasonic. I personally have a Panasonic 2500, I love her dearly, does more than planned by the manufacturer. And the best bread is baked.

Means Moulinex not to consider, okay I will watch Panasonic, and Kenwood - the same not very?
And they have one container for different weights of bread, mixers 1-2?

Panasonic with one stirrer kneads better, he does not have impurities in the corners, than the mulinexes sometimes sin on two stirrers, especially when they (stirrers) start to work out of unison, vols. e is not always synchronous.