Dishwasher selection (1)

Kosharik, what kind of model do you have?

mish, SMV 63M00 EU, went to the Bosch site - well, the same models are proliferating. When I chose - a month ago, mine was the newest.

And I'm looking at the Bosch SMI 65M15 EU. It seems that now it is the latest model of embedded machines. Like. I’ll wait for you and the foreman to find out what happened to your car, and then I’ll give the information to my husband - I hope we will not be scared in advance ...

While I am waiting for the master ... I am tormented by the following doubts:
1. The machine came wet inside (although it was seemingly factory sealed). The instructions stated that there may be traces of water. But these are not traces, it was really raw.
2. After drying, the walls are wet. Very wet (water runs off). Condensing type drying. This is normal?

1. Yes, I also had water (it says that they are tested at the factory)
2.It is, water condenses from the dishes on the walls (condensation type is drying)

mish, I think buying household appliances is a lottery, so don't bother with my problem. Because I know from experience - the longer you choose, the sadder it all ends.
Muzuk, thanks! Well, at least they reassured me here. Although, our acquaintances have a 45 cm Bosch that is old - it seemed to me that it is drier.
But, as I understand it, condensation drying protects dishes that do not experience thermal shock.
Yes, I forgot to add, the car is really practically silent

I am reporting. A master came from an authorized Bosch service center (Moscow). I am telling from the words of my husband, I myself was at work. The master came with a suitcase, put on shoe covers. I looked. Started a cycle, opened the door. He said that it was a very interesting case. They will sort it out, and it will give them great pleasure (some kind of sado-maso), since they rarely have a Bosch PM repair, and they need statistics. Primary dianosis - ChZ. I wrote a list of replacement parts (they are called differently, he has already transferred from a bird's-eye view to a more accessible one: a motherboard (processor), a pump and some other thing). Let me remind you that I called the master on May 25. Now the most interesting thing: if the parts are in stock, they will be done in 2 weeks, while they will call in 3 days, and we need to roll out the car to the center of the kitchen. Okay, I have a husband with hands ... But if the part is out of stock - an order from Germany (2 months) !!! At the same time, no one left us any papers. I had to quarrel a little with the service center, but I was assured that they are a serious organization, and that then, upon repair, they will issue an official paper (upon request). I called the notorious network in which I bought a PM (made an order with a VIP card), the bunny boy seemed to be puzzled, but I don't think there will be exhaust. Here's a sad story.
And the saying is this: jinxed. I am a completely adequate person and I perceive all stories about dark forces as a purely technical person, that is, with a grin. It just doesn't happen. I have already complained about Saeko's typewriter (the piece of iron is not cheap), but I wanted it so much for many, many years, chose and analyzed, it was my husband's gift for DR. The so-called. friend. Well, it was clear that she was just bursting. The car was repaired 5 times, in the service they were shocked, they said that they had never seen such a thing, they raised the issue to the dealership - they were also in a trance, they hardly even kicked - they did exactly a year later (it was a year under the sign of a coffee machine) to a new one. And then - for a long time I wanted to, but the kitchen did not allow 5.5m, then I spat, decided that hands were more expensive, interviewed everyone and everything, chose the assembly of Germany. Didn't tell anyone until I installed and connected. It was worth bragging (well, such is our girlish trait) to the same friend - it breaks ...So don't believe in all this bullshit.

[Kosharik]

Kosharik, I sympathize ... I had a similar friend ... after I almost divorced my husband (not without her participation, but not as you might think, but as in the case of household appliances), we do not communicate

[Kosharik]

So don't believe in all this bullshit.

Kosharik, there is some truth in everything. Maybe it's better to get rid of envious friends?

[Kosharik]

Kosharik, there is reason to think! I am also a techie by nature, and I also didn’t really believe in such things before ... But after a couple of similar cases I began to think. And now she began to boast of new things much less often, and generally talk about her life. God knows him, or maybe this is true? After all, there are people who do not even out of malice, but simply think, why is it so good with her? And that's all, for the one who is good - it may well become bad ...
Don't worry about the car. They will fix it and everything will be fine! Good luck!

Girls, thank you very much for your support! (this is a bouquet)
I report: the Bosch / Siemens service (and this is not only a service, but also a plant in St. Petersburg) does not stand up to criticism.
A week waited for the master, a week - he unloaded data into the service itself. Only after 2 weeks !!! the girl on the other end of the line said that spare parts were ordered, wait. When I began to resent the topic: "How long to wait for something else?", I was given a laconic answer: "Well, call in a week, maybe we will tell you something ..." Let me remind you that the papers stating that the complaint was accepted, I nobody gave.
In general, comparing the data, I realized that they do not have spare parts, everyone orders "there" and I will not wait.
Thanks to the store itself (however, they bought it not according to a completely standard scheme), today the PM was changed. True, it has not yet included

hurray, we bought a zanusya! Only I have one question for everyone - tell us, please, what is convection drying? I searched the whole Internet, but I didn't really understand, everyone writes completely different things and contradicts each other. One thing is clear that this is blowing the dishes with air, but there is a nuance here. How exactly does the airflow take place? If according to the principle of a hair dryer, that is, air is supplied from the outside, from the apartment, then this is very, very bad. And if according to the principle of a fan, that is, the air is chasing inside the car, then this is good. So what is convection drying and how is it different from turbo?

Can you read the name of the model? Outside, air has not been taken in any PMM for drying for a long time. And very few heat the air at the same time. It is very expensive in terms of electricity, and far from efficient. Basically, drying takes place due to the fact that after the last rinse, the plates are hot, and the tank body (or a special heat exchanger) is quickly cooled with water. And there is an intense condensation of water droplets from the plates on the walls. In models with turbo-drying, this process is slightly accelerated by the fan. In this case, drying is 10 minutes faster. Don't put too much in your head, tell all your friends that you have the coolest dishwasher in the world and enjoy life!

Jefry, thanks, you have calmed me down. I'm probably really screwing myself up. All indicators are A, so I won't worry anymore. And the model is zdts 300.

Wow, how cool it is to wash the jars in the dishwasher for preservation, it turns out ... This procedure was always so annoying, and yesterday I pushed 20 liter jars into my 45 cm ... And got clean, sparkling, like new ...
The third month of operation ends. While the flight is normal. The first kg of calgonite is running out, and I decided to buy something else to try. There were two candidates: Polish Robot and Somat. The robot was taken away almost in front of the very nose, and the Somat was produced in 2006, expired. It's not meant to be. I bought already proven Calgonite, only lemon ...

it was fate that saved you

Yesterday, instead of powder and tablets, I saw a dishwasher liquid made in Japan and only 10 - 20ml of it is needed, depending on the workload, maybe someone has already tried it or I become a pioneer.

In dishwashers, the compartment for the detergent is not necessarily sealed and liquid detergent can only be poured directly into the chamber.And if a program with preliminary rinsing, then such a tool will not work IMHO ...
We still sell some kind of product, if I'm not mistaken, Dompol. 2 kg in plastic packaging, like Russian production. Costs 10 ye. A friend of mine bought and is very satisfied. But I was confused by its higher density in comparison with calgonite. That is, 2 kg in volume, and in appearance, like a pack of salt ...

I have an eyelid. Since October last year she has been working like a convict. No complaints, everything is fine. The smell began to appear. In between washes, opening the car, you feel some kind of I don't know ... not musty. not smelly ... just ANOTHER smell. The dishes don't smell. I didn't bother, I remembered. that in the super I saw a special liquid for cleansing the PMM itself. But everything happened differently.
It took me to wash some plastic trays. which were brutally cut with a knife and some filth settled in these furrows. Black steel these stripes from the knife. Mold probably. Washing with the Fae gave nothing. Washing in PMM with Calgonite on "Intensive" - ​​too. She took out the trays. I smeared them with undiluted Domestos. I smeared this thick liquid straight with a sponge into the entire plane of the tray and that's it. In order not to stink, I put everything back in the PMM and tightly covered it. I forgot. I remembered about 2 hours later. And then a seditious thought got into my head ... And what IF ..... In short, although there were 2-3 spoons of this Homestos on the trays, but figs knows how to behave .. and even with with rinse aid "will play" ... I switched on "Intensive" again so that the preliminary wash would wash everything off at once. Well, nothing washed away. I looked in periodically - there was not a lot of foam at the bottom, there was a horror of bleach, but there was no smell in the kitchen at all. After the start of the main wash, I grew bolder and another 1 teaspoon of Calgonite poured right to the bottom. I checked everything in 2.5 hours and I pulled out absolutely clean trays, crispy and chic. Later it turned out that the smell from the car was completely gone. Well, that is, like new.
Here's an experiment.

Cake, how interesting! I'll take a note! And my dishwasher has been postponed yet, God knows how long. My husband was laid off from work and everything ... I haven't found a new one yet. That's how we didn't have time to buy our dishwasher ...

Hmm, I was out of luck with the detergent. I have already tried it twice - something is not quite right. It's bad that I threw away the first package. But he sat down and began to carefully examine the present one. The first did not contain a word of Russian, and the instructions were pasted on top. And I just opened the cap, immediately the nose began to itch. But he washed the dishes amazingly. And this one bought the same Calgonite, only with a lemon scent. I don't feel this lemon smell at all, and I can easily stick my nose into the jar - no reaction. Everything is clearly written on the packaging, no stickers, and where the release date is stamped, "UA" is at the end. Precisely, probably some component is missing. We'll have to pour more of it, so that it ends faster ...

[Jefry]

Jefry, I bought both Calgonit and Calgonit Lemon - for me they washed exactly the same.

And now I started buying Domol. He washes the dishes well, the pack is large, almost twice as cheap as Calgonit. The only thing is not comfortable soft packaging.
I left two cans of Calgonit and pour the whole pack at once. Try it.

I cannot find a logical explanation, but it turned out to be not the detergent. Yesterday I fell asleep to capacity and did not regret it for the preliminary one. And he started program 65, although the dishes were not very dirty. It seems that something has cleared inside the machine - I again saw the sparkling plates.

[Jefry]

Jefry Is the mesh filter in the PM clean? Very often, problems arise from its pollution.

I cannot find a logical explanation, but it turned out to be not the detergent. Yesterday I fell asleep to capacity and did not regret it for the preliminary one. And he started program 65, although the dishes were not very dirty. It seems that something has cleared inside the machine - I again saw the sparkling plates.

Well, now you can buy Domol for trial and enjoy not only the sparkling plates, but also the cost savings.

I had no ice with the usual Calgonite, but really, then the reason was either a clogged filter or too dense stacking of dishes. And here the second time I had a control one - the filter was cleaned and the machine was half-empty. And as a result, the dishes were kind of muddy, on the door there were dried whitish streaks that could hardly be wiped off ... So I was depressed.

Well, now you can buy Domol for trial and enjoy not only the sparkling plates, but also the cost savings.

I will definitely try Domol, you are already the second person confirming its normal quality.

I had no ice with the usual Calgonite, but really, then the reason was either a clogged filter or too dense stacking of dishes. And here the second time I had a control one - the filter was cleaned and the machine was half-empty. And as a result, the dishes were kind of muddy, on the door there were dried whitish streaks that could hardly be wiped off ... So I was depressed. I will definitely try Domol, you are already the second person confirming its normal quality.

My dishes are cloudy and on the door there are drips of salt when the salt ends.

Well, now you can buy Domol for trial and enjoy not only the sparkling plates, but also the cost savings.

Luysia tell me where do you buy this product? I have not seen anything on sale except calgon and somat

[Coconut]

Coconut, in my city I buy Domol only in DC, I have not seen it anywhere else. Packaged in a soft polyethylene package - 2 kg.

[Coconut]

Coconut, in my city I buy Domol only in DC, I have not seen it anywhere else. Packaged in a soft polyethylene package - 2 kg.

is it such a remedy?
Thank you Luysia, I will go to the nearest space today, there is no dc nearby, I will try to find it.

[Coconut]

is it such a remedy?
Thank you Luysia, I will go to the nearest space today, there is no dc nearby, I will try to find it.

Coconut, the pack is like this

Luysia thanks now I will know what to look for!
And I looked out on the internet for a manufacturer of final grinding and the tool itself is called Domax, but it turned out to be wrong

And I only use Domax and I like it, but I haven't seen Domol in Moscow.

Accept the laggards!

Yesterday I washed the dishes until two o'clock ... I cursed everything and was ready to exchange all my equipment for a dishwasher. First she cursed the crisis, then the lack of space. I drank 100 grams. I thought. I drank another 100 grams. Found a tape measure. I climbed the kitchen. No way. Another 100 grams. There is no way in the hallway either. 100g. The centimeter has already begun to see double in the eyes, but ... in the bathroom, in the place that is called "under the sink" (it just took the sink for a long time due to the lack of the same place), you can shove a narrow freestanding dishwasher onto the stand. True, there are three glass shelves, but ... if I had caught up to half a liter, I would have liquidated them just yesterday. I didn't catch up, so the shelves are in place.

Today I began to look for the simplest Bosch. This is this one. Bosch SRS 43E52.
Are there any other options:
Zanussi ZDS 200
Electrolux ESF 43011
Zanussi ZDS 104
Zanussi ZDS 204
Electrolux ESF 43020

Electrolux complained about electrical failures ... But! I have a bathroom - black and green. There will be a white dishwasher ... not very good. And of the silver models, there is only this one:

Beko DFS 1500 S

But Veko ... But silvery ...

I don't even know what I'm asking ... It's not that I was harshly dissuaded from this Veko, or ... Maybe there are members of the forum, for whom it has been working without interruption for a long time (dreamily) ...

Literally today I talked with a person for whom Beko has been working normally for the second year. If the design suits you, feel free to take it. It breaks - for the difference in price with Bosch, buy another one. Although the dishwasher in the bathroom is powerful! But original!

[Hairpin]

Hairpin as I understand you, I am now rushing about in search of myself, it's just awful ... I'm all at a loss, there are so many hotts ....... but the prices, I watched Electrolux, Boshiki ...I do not know which one to take narrow or large ??? We will move to another apartment ... we have to do a kitchen there, so I occupy a place for a dishwasher ..... but I was at a loss what to take ???

Maybe grunt on your chest too? You can go crazy ..... In a problem? , I also run around all the shops and just look ... narrow or large ..... And Beko looked and the reviews are not bad, they praise Zanussi, I know why ....... I work at a service center and the masters tell me what good. And my heart went to the big Electrolux ... well, just one beauty

If there is an opportunity - you need to buy a large one, 60 cm. The choice is wide enough, good ones - Bosch, Siemens, Electrolux, Whirlpool. Quite acceptable - Kaiser, Zanussi. Lottery - Beko and the like.
Of course, the list is not complete, it is impossible to grasp the immensity.
60cm PM - good
45cm PM - a forced measure, in general, it is acceptable
Desktop PM - thrown away money.

[Svetik]

Svetik! But I always take the smallest. And not always because of the money. I have a two-burner stove. And for that money I could take a four-burner room ... But it's a pity for the place !!!!

Looks like I'm ordering that cheap silver eyelid ...

[Serious]

Serious so the most interesting thing ... everyone discourages me from being big, but I liked Electrolux ESF 63021, so I liked it .... I open it and it becomes nice .... we have no Virpuls ..... Beko yes, Siemens are expensive, Boshiki too, Zanuski are a little noisy ... those that Hairpin described

Hairpin. if you put a special horizontal siphon under the sink, then Bosik will wonderfully fit in there

[Hairpin]

Hairpin now there won't be a dishwasher in my kitchen, because I really won't put it anywhere .... there is simply no place ... I also have a problem with the place ..... but nevertheless I bought myself a large Whirlpool refrigerator, wide-eyed ... and happy, so now I don't have enough freezer ... in short, it's just awful ... but this year, as luck would have it .... so many fruits transfer them to freeze and freeze, but I have a freezer ... not small ... finally full

[Hairpin]

Hairpin if there is a place under the sink, then pay attention to the cool Electrolux 2420 S dishwasher, just cool ..... my godmother has been plowing for 4 years already, and finally a class, I myself wanted this one at first, but then I let it go a little, because for money, but now you need to look hard

[Hairpin]

I have been narrow for half a year already, everything seems to be normal, but when I look into the wide one in the store - uhtyyyy, there is where to turn around. But in the absence of space, 45 cm is not so critical. Tetris even develops spatial thinking when laying dishes.
Hairpin I support your choice. If Beko is a lottery, then you should definitely get a lucky ticket!

So I, too, looked into the narrow ... and then when I looked into the large ... I was completely lost, well, of course, and the money was always cheaper than the narrow

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, congratulations on being ripe to buy PMM. I also had problems with choosing a place, which is not enough. 100 gr., However, did not "grupa", because I do not use. But, nevertheless, I decided to take a large PMM. Better to wash a lot of dishes once every two days than a little every day. So it is more economical in terms of electricity and water. I had to throw out the old stove with the oven, and in its place organize the hob and put PMM Bosch under it. But in it is mine and pots and pans and so on. In general, everything that can be washed in it. And the oven ... So far, a large toaster-ram is enough for a family of three of us adults.

[Svetik_]

Svetik_, I am now very happy that I bought the big Bosch. We have expensive electricity and water (we live in the desert, let alone two years since we have a drought). Taking a narrow car would not be profitable for me. It is difficult to stuff everything that needs to be washed into it. Moreover, you need to stuff it so that the dishes are washed properly. My sister bought a narrow one. To be honest, I can't imagine how their family of 5 adults copes with a narrow car. After all, it's problematic to stuff a decent saucepan there, you have to wash it by hand ...I don't know if it helps as an idea, but they put it in the household balcony next to the washer. This room is adjacent to the kitchen. I don’t know if Russia is now making such household premises in apartments ...

[Hairpin]

Hairpin

in spite of the incredible heat, I go for a half liter. Otherwise I am still firmly convinced that it’s impossible to squeeze a dishwasher into my kitchen.
Maybe a fresh thought will dawn on my head ...

[Hairpin]

Hairpin I'm not in your direction ... it's my kind of people ... they dissuade everything, like you need it for a fig .... I generally stand my ground, well, like ... you are darkness .... a century what type of pens you can't wash ... collective farm darkness or envy of technology

Girls, but there is such a short one so that it is less than 80 cm, otherwise it does not fit me, I want to put it under the table. Or is it just a dream?

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, well, we must do something with the garbage! Give me a waste shredder!

Svetik_ , I support a full-sized dishwasher. Moreover, there is no problem with the place (well, it won't be in the new kitchen, I mean).