Dishwasher selection (1)

[Sena]

Sena, so a compact PMM she eats less of all this.

He eats 10-15% less water and electricity, and we do not sell half of the pills yet. So this is not an argument for compact. But the taste and color of all markers are different. For Lisss's, this may be a perfectly acceptable option. Redoing kitchen furniture is also an option, but it will cost like two PMMs. Well, at the same time you can offer a redevelopment of the apartment
Frankly, in all honesty, now I'm not so categorically against compacts. Having broken a lot of copies in the topic about compacts, I thought about the real performance of my "forty-five". I started taking pictures of every bookmark with my mobile phone. The experiment lasted three weeks, but was interrupted (the mobile was covered with a basin). After analyzing the photos, I came to the conclusion: only the lower basket does the main work on the plates and pots. The upper one acts as a bonus for cups, teapots, etc. In principle, it is quite possible to rinse them with handles, but we have already become spoiled, we need them to shine and creak. The machine is clogged to failure only after the guests have come, and this does not happen every day. So the compact can be compared to a 45 cm typewriter, which has only one bottom basket (This conclusion has absolutely nothing to do with 60 cm typewriters, my heart bleeds when I see a full size).
Please do not throw more stones at Lisss's
Lisss's, spit on all the technical specifications and programs. Look at the typewriter you like in the store, stroke it gently, open the door, and say: "I want it to be in my kitchen!" And that's it! Good luck!

[Jefry]

What are you Jefry well done ... as they said correctly !!!! I also have 45, but why is it better in the upper basket .... What is the reason ??? ?

an option to take out the washing machine and in its place the dishwasher - I do not want, because the washing machine is only in the bathroom, remove the sink. so I already had it, without a washbasin it's inconvenient when there is a small child in the house ...

Can't you put PMM on a washing machine?

I have the same problem ... Although there is a place for the PMM downstairs, I made the kitchen back in 2000, and now you will not find such facades (I tried it). Therefore, I am considering a desktop option for myself. I looked at this one: 🔗.
True, I'm still thinking, because there is much less space at the top than at the bottom: a bread machine, a combine, a multicooker ...

Is there a built-in PMM with an external panel?

only such are

see my link
🔗

there the very first Bosch compact has 6 reviews and all 5 *! Maybe they sell this one too.

Width: 55.5 cm, depth 46 cm, height: 45 cm

So far I have found this information: "Built-in dishwashers are divided into two categories:
Dishwashers with open control panel - These are partially covered by the furniture panel, leaving the control panel visible, which is located at the top of the door.
Fully Built-in Dishwashers - These are completely covered by the furniture panels and are therefore virtually invisible. Control buttons and indicators are located at the top of the door and are accessible only when the door is open. "
It turns out that anybody needs a furniture panel? If not, post a link to such a model

[Gypsy]

so I'm big and say, pile it up

Gypsy, I jumped from the freshness of your idea and ran for a tape measure, but then again disappointment - on top of the hinged part of the kitchen, from the countertop to it - 56cm and the height of 45- and 60-current - 85cm ...

only such are

no, there are freestanding ones with the possibility of embedding under the countertop, they are with their own front panel, and there are built-in ones that you can hang your facade (like in the Hairpin)

I looked at this one: 🔗.

Nataly_rz, I was already here in Temko sobbing for a couple of star about this model, I also want the same, only white - so they are not on sale anywhere in Ukraine. Today I called the Bosch dealership, and they said that they had not ordered these models for this year, they do not have them in the program, that is, we will not have them on sale until the end of the year ...

this news is terribly sad ... but, I do not know how much they can be believed - they also confidently asserted that the cube does not sit on 5530

and there are built-in ones that you can hang your facade (like a Hairpin)

Yes, why hide it, is it scary? Don't make your life difficult

[Nataly_rz]

It turns out that anybody needs a furniture panel? If not, post a link to such a model

Nataly_rz, here, I found on the Bosh-bt website, in the preface to the 45-tk:

All Bosch hotel dishwashers (with the exception of the compact ones) have the ability to fit under the countertop and have a variety of color and design options, which makes them perfectly fit into the interior of any kitchen!

There is also such an electrolux, also a 5 * review
🔗


we also sell compact Bosch in black, red and in what color you like

how can you hide such beauty

Nataly_rz I have such a free-standing one, but it can be built in, since the top cover is removed Bosch SRS 55M36

tanya1962, can you put such a machine under the countertop instead of a cabinet?

[tanya1962]

tanya1962, since it is written that the top cover is removable, then of course you can!

Nataly_rz I will measure in the evening and give all sizes with and without a lid. In general, look at a lot of built-in models with doors on the Internet.

After analyzing the photos, I came to the conclusion: only the lower basket does the main work on the plates and pots. The upper one acts as a bonus for cups, teapots, etc. In principle, it is quite possible to rinse them with handles, but we have already become spoiled, we need them to shine and creak.

And I, if there are a lot of pots at once (sometimes it happens), I even put 2 shallow ones in the upper basket, and the cups that do not fit - with handles.

changed model

girls-boys, who are from Russia, I see, you have me on sale for Bosch SKS 60 - after all, not all Bosch equipment gets to Ukraine through Bosch, right? that is, if Russia has this model, it means that it may appear in Ukraine, earlier than in the next. year ?? tell me, my train of thought is correct or not?

I saw this car two months ago, it also immediately caught fire, but I realized that you could not buy it from us. Then I left it in my bookmarks, and decided to wait until it appears, as I understand it, nothing has changed in 2 months. I think Luda, if you still want to get a typewriter this year, then you should not wait - if some rearrangements have already begun, money has been set aside for a purchase, etc.
But on the other hand, have we washed the dishes with our hands for so many years that we won't tolerate another year?

[Lisss's]

Lisss's It is on sale in Russia 🔗
this is what Yandex search gives

Nataly_rz the height of my PM is 84.5 cm, and without the lid is 80.5 cm.

tanya1962, thanks, is it installed directly on the floor? or is there something below it?

tanya1962, thanks, is it installed directly on the floor? or is there something below it?

Yes, there is nothing right on the floor below.

here is sadness, longing, ordered on Wednesday Bosch sks 50, just called back, they are not. phoned a dozen more and-no stores - no, why am I out of luck with the dishwasher ...

and I already imagined how on Saturday I will lay out my "PMM in the interior"

fsё !!! already washes! Thank you, my dear members of the forum, for advice and help - I am very grateful to you for sharing your experience and knowledge!

oh, it was an epic! at first they were not there, then they appeared in single numbers and I hunted them yesterday - oh, miracle! - they brought it to me! called the master to connect - he said that he would not cut the hole for the hoses in the countertop - he was afraid he urgently found a furniture maker, he made a hole (150 UAH = 19 dollars), then the master came and connected (I added a tap for water supply, and I had a drain, and screwed all the hoses = 240 UAH = 30 USD). and now, everything is loaded, and she washes, and I write now I'm waiting for the end of the program with impatience

beauty in the interior



Of course, not very aesthetically pleasing, but what to do ?! but she washes, and I write!

Bosch sits on Boche and drives him

Lisss's, congratulations! This is happiness (in my understanding) !!! For my taste, very aesthetically pleasing and compact

[Lisss's]

Congratulations, Lisss's ! Very happy about you!
Let her work for a long time and please her mistress!

[Lisss's]

Lisss's, but in the future you can take a picture of an open dishwasher with dishes, hunt to see how much it fits into it

[gypsy, Margit]

Bosch sits on Boche and drives him

well said!

gypsy, Margit, Thank you! how glad I am, beyond words

Lisss's, but in the future you can take a picture of an open dishwasher with dishes, hunt to see how much it fits into it

of course! Wait home and show you!

[Gypsy]

Gypsywhile my home is blowing - OTUT take a look

Lisss's well done, who wants to get it
I also tried to find out if there are such cars on sale now, they told me that there was nothing yet, since Bosch was raising prices. Perhaps this is just an excuse, let's hope.

[zvezda]

zvezda, Thank you! it was you who transplanted me to Bosch

Nataly_rz, the seller reported the following to me: Bosch was transferring his warehouse for Ukraine, Belarus and, it seems, Russia, from Germany to Kiev. therefore, nothing was put in Germany to "our" warehouse, but only the leftovers were dismantled, so there was a certain Bosch deficit. now the warehouse will be in Kiev, but! the price for some reason will rise by 15 percent (I could not understand why). and yes - my car was 2400, and now 2800. but! it already exists!

girls, she washed, buzzed, and now she is silent, dries, or what?

[lega]

lega, Thank you! your advice helped me a lot!

Gypsy, come here to see my first PLAYING DISHES IN THE TABLE PMM

Question for beko owners. When buying a PMM, I poured the rinse aid, it seems to be in the wrong place - into a large hole number 2. The indicator did not go out for a long time, I poured rinse aid into hole number 1 after reading the instructions. The agent in the first and second cases flowed from slot number 3. I then poured water into hole number 1 with a syringe. The agent again flowed from slot number 3, but the indicator went out. Today it caught fire again. I pour 5ml into the hole number 1 with a syringe and it starts to flow out of the slot number 3 again…. : - \ 2.5 ml leaked out, the indicator went out…. A mystery covered with the darkness of ignorance ...: -X What to do ???? how much should be poured there ??
It starts to flow only when I start to close the door ...

Experiments continue: poured into hole number 2
15ml of water. And nothing flowed past this time !!!!!!!!!!!!!
The question remains, where and how much to pour?

I pour at 2 !!! So far, there have been no jambs. But in the lower basket in the corner it became worse to wash, maybe who knows what is the matter?

In the left corner at the bottom, if there is a mug or something similar, it is also badly washed !!!!! If large - a cup, a bowl, a saucepan - it is washed normally. Therefore, I do not put a trifle in that corner.
So I'll pour the rinse aid into hole number 2 now ...

I have two dishwashers, though from other manufacturers. Rinse aid is poured into hole # 2.

I have Veko 6830. I pour the rinse aid into hole # 2. Hole number 1 saw only today and ran to see if I have one. The rinse aid fits in very little. I used up half a bottle of Calgonite for 2 times

I pour at 2 !!! So far, there have been no jambs. But in the lower basket in the corner it became worse to wash, maybe who knows what is the matter?

Far from special, but first of all I would check if the extreme holes on the rocker arms are clogged.

I don't understand anything !!! : - \ Well, I have very little rinse aid. There won't even be 100ml ... Maybe 50 ... Remember, the second time I was able to pour only 15ml into # 2 !!!! That is, it turns out only 15 + 2.5 ml !!!

At first, I was also stupid into which hole to pour, the instructions do not say anything about this. In 2 it is somehow not logical because there is a switch, and in 1 it is also not logical - it is too small, on the other hand, the spout of the rinse aid bottle is also not large. Leela at 2 all this time and thought until now, maybe this is not right.

[musyanya]

musyanya Opening # 2 for rinse aid, # 1 for drain, # 3 for drain. A similar design is in Electrolux. It fits about 1/3 of the bottle. Then the excess rinse aid flows out, just a little, as it should be.

Oh, thanks!!!!!
Now it remains to find out how much approximately ml of rinse aid should fit into our PMM.

It depends on the PMM model and manufacturer. I have about 1/3 bottle.

Here is a fragment of the instruction, by the way ... They pour it into the wrong hole.

There is an error in the drawing, judge for yourself logically, well, do not seriously pour into such a small hole, you still need to aim at it

So I poured first from the bottle, and then with a syringe to precisely get into such a small hole ..

[Lisss's]

fsё !!! already washes!
...
Of course, not very aesthetically pleasing, but what to do ?! but she washes, and I write!

Lisss's , CONGRATULATIONS with such a long-awaited joy! With such torments it is doubly pleasant to feel that "it has finally happened!"
And you did it very aesthetically, fit in "like a native".
"but she washes, and I write!" - it is most important!!!

[Fnezhinka]

Fnezhinka, Thank you! oh how good it is that she washes

comrades, tell me how to insert forks and spoons? point up? because it is written in the instructions "with the tip DOWN", and then the picture - with the tip up, I think, translation errors? the points can get through and lock the rocker arms, right?

[Musyanya]

So I poured first from the bottle, and then with a syringe to precisely get into such a small hole ..

Musyanya, you directly accurately described my attempts to fill in the rinse aid. And the same holes as your PMM.
Where I just didn't pour his darling (I have a Whirlpool 80, but the instructions don't even have a picture where to pour). And she called her friends who have PMM. Through trial and error, I figured out the same hole # 2.
There is a regulator with numbers, and it confused me (where to pour something?). But there is still such a tiny hole (in your photo it is slightly closed by the arrow), where the rinse aid "goes".
It may not fit there very much (about 50 ml at a time, maybe more - I could not accurately measure it, while I was "rehearsing" with pouring, then I poured wherever possible). But its consumption is also microscopic, so don't worry.
Actually, I read somewhere that the rinse aid fits about 100 ml at a time. Maybe it is, I will not check now until the indicator lights up. For 3 months it has not lit up yet.