Dishwasher selection (1)

[sazalexter]

People ... don't scare me ..... I know that Electrolux are capricious, but the repairs have been done ... the wiring has been changed, everything is with the ground ....... still to put a stabilizer or something ??? Or what are they called .... I bought one for the refrigerator, what else is needed for a typewriter ???
sazalexter well, tell us about our chosen brand what to do Nuna ... ... our electrician friend said that there was always a normal voltage in our area, it doesn't jump very much that the normalizer shouldn't be installed

[reworked electrical wiring]

But there is a small nuance reworked electrical wiring with "clean land".
At the moment of turning on the heating element, the consumption from the network can increase up to 2 kW!
IMHO it's not about the typewriter!

sazalexter, I am not strong in electrical engineering, so I apologize in advance for inaccuracies in terminology. Wiring (with grounding) for the washing machine was made from the shield on the landing. We also turn on the PMM into the same special socket - NOT simultaneously with the washer. WHAT SHE (PMM) STILL NEEDS ?!

[sazalexter]

People ... don't scare me ..... I know that Electrolux are capricious, but the repairs have been done ... the wiring has been changed, everything is with the ground ....... still to put a stabilizer or something ??? Or what are they called .... I bought one for the refrigerator, what else is needed for a typewriter ???
sazalexter well, tell us about our chosen brand what to do Nuna ... ... our electrician friend said that there was always a normal voltage in our area, it doesn't jump very much that the normalizer shouldn't be installed

If the tension is normal, then do not pay attention to what I wrote.

I asked my masters to bring out a special socket for PMM in the kitchen, though I just have a bunch of them there, only 11 are visible, well, really 7, because 4 more were closed by the bar countertop, everyone asks us, but like how are you guessed it ....... and like that, she lay down herself and closed 4 sockets for me .... class, now it's not visible. There are a lot of appliances in the kitchen, so I poked around. By the way, tomorrow I will test my Barrier-device for protection against voltage surges (which I bought for the refrigerator), that one is also a sissy .... though nothing for two years. Something Virpula is coming to our service, it's a shame ..... so I insured myself. If the PMM needs to buy such a device, I will buy it, but the electrician assured that everything will be fine, so I sleep peacefully for now

On the ixbt forum, a lot has been written about Electrolux glitches during a voltage drop and a sudden shutdown, so when I chose a machine for myself, Electrolux did not even consider it, since electricity is often cut off here, in general I was afraid.

[Svetik_]

Svetik_ You worry in vain, the wiring is new, the electrician assured that everything will be fine. I trust specialists more
For doubters 🔗

[tanya1962]

tanya1962 The ixbt forum is very respected, but often the problem lies precisely in the old wiring, or in a poorly made new one

The most interesting thing is that they laid it for me for the second time .... because the first master himself chose the cable for 2 kW, but it looked like a liquid (n) and then a normal electrician came and completely changed it to 6 kW, my so ....... I remember the numbers exactly, I made this wiring for the whole apartment, so now I have nothing to fear

Electronic blocks for PMM and washers are manufactured by BITRON 🔗 and this is a list of manufacturers who build them into their equipment
This is the same node that can be sensitive to the supply voltage.

Electronic blocks for PMM and washers are manufactured by BITRON

This list includes the entire range of dishwasher manufacturers - from mile to hayer and beko. At first I did not immediately find Bosch there, but maybe it is hiding under the acronym BSH? Does this mean that all cars are brothers in blood and torment of choice are meaningless?

[Jefry]

Jefry The electronics blocks may be the same, but the engines, water pumps, valves, and most importantly, the device operation algorithm (firmware of the microprocessor RISC memory chip), build quality! That's the difference!

I'll tell you more about my comparison between Veko and Bosch.
Bosch has conveniently adjustable legs.You can twist something there at the front, and the rear ones rise / fall. Veko does not.
Bosch has a humidity sensor parallel to the water supply hose. Veko has no humidity sensor there.
But that fifth Quick & Wedge program ... Well, in short, drying there takes about a minute. On the seventh program - 15 minutes. How much drying is going on with my Bosch is generally unknown ... This I mean that the fifth program, it seems, is some kind of adjacent to the cut drying ...

I'll tell you more about my comparison between Veko and Bosch.
Bosch has conveniently adjustable legs. You can twist something there at the front, and the rear ones rise / fall. Veko does not.
Bosch has a humidity sensor parallel to the water supply hose. Veko has no humidity sensor there.
But that fifth Quick & Wedge program ... Well, in short, drying there takes about a minute. On the seventh program - 15 minutes. How much drying is going on with my Bosch is generally unknown ... This I mean that the fifth program, it seems, is some kind of adjacent to the cut drying ...

Hairpin, is a humidity sensor really needed?

[Jeffrey]

I do not know. I understand that if the water supply hose leaks, the machine will shut down. But the probability of its leakage ... In my opinion - scanty. In general, this is better Jeffrey will answer. In addition, the sewer hose can leak ... And I have it without a sensor ...

Aquastop, whatever it is called, in my opinion, is a good and necessary thing. Especially in full buildings, where the water supply tap is located in the bowels of the kitchen set. If the PMM is detached and it is not difficult to close-open the tap, it is possible without it. In general, smart people, especially those who have cool neighbors with a mega-repair on the floor below, put aquastop on the whole apartment.

And how is it - aquastop for the whole apartment? Turn off the water or what?

Aquastop, whatever it is called, in my opinion, is a good and necessary thing. Especially in full buildings, where the water supply tap is located in the bowels of the kitchen set. If the PMM is detached and it is not difficult to close-open the tap, it is possible without it. In general, smart people, especially those who have cool neighbors with a mega-repair on the floor below, put aquastop on the whole apartment.

Do you have to close the tap? I never close it either on the washer or on the dishwasher ....

Cranes have a limited duration. If they are constantly tugged, at the right time they can break off.

And I understood the aquastop for the whole apartment so that all pipes are packed in a hose along with a humidity sensor. If there is a leak somewhere, then ... well, in short, something where is blocked / turned off / squeaked!

Aquastop for the whole apartment is a gadget from the "smart home" area. A slightly larger valve is placed right at the inlet than that of the PMM, and sensors are installed in all "suspicious places". Simple and tasteful, though it is a little expensive - we have at least 300 ye, although it is sometimes cheaper than making repairs in someone else's apartment. I live on the first floor, and then one Sunday I was raised by a doorbell at 6 am: "You are drowning us!" It turns out that this is a locksmith from the housing office. My tap was poorly closed and a thin trickle between the bathroom and the sink found a crack in the floor and made a big puddle in the basement overnight ...

[Lydia]

Lydia, I read, looked, figured and decided to buy Siemens. I love this company. For me this company has been plowing a washing machine for 16 years, day and night. And if without laughing, I can start the car several times a day. and all without problems.
Of course it's a little expensive, so it's not for the same day. Yesterday I specially went to the company store to take a look at her live. I like it.

Siemens and Bosch are twin brothers. They are assembled by the same factory and the parts are the same and the models are the same, but with different names.

[Auto]

If I'm still not tired of comparing Bosch 5513 and Veko 6830 with my own, then ...
at Veko - full load and half, and Bosch - complete and auto. Auto implies that you can put a quarter, and three quarters and one glass.
I Auto I do not use it almost. Long it.

[natalka]

natalka... Thank you, but I read, there are complaints about Bosch, it all depends on the place where the PPM is going to. Siemens in Germany.

[Lydia]

Lydia, I read, looked, figured and decided to buy Siemens. I love this company. For me this company has been plowing a washing machine for 16 years, day and night.

Good luck! And I love the technique that helps to solve problems, not creates them. But I DO NOT WISH to wash the dishes with my hands if there is a dishwasher. And since our capricious machine is not even a year old, I will not change it, I will have to adapt to its buzzing due to tension. We have enough dishes, which will be lacking - we will buy more. I tried all the programs, except for the intensive wash, and I realized: the half-hour program is more than enough for me. Well, more rinsing. Even if the first time I manage to turn on the PMM at 23 o'clock (it also happens), by turning it on again, I manage to wash all the dishes before I go to bed. The only "but": if someone from the family has a favorite bowl in the PMM, and he needs it, we take it out by hand, but more often we take another one, because everyone liked NOT washing the dishes with their hands.

Well, today I also became the owner of the Siemens PPM. The dear one is standing in the corridor now, all of herself so beautiful. no words. Thanks everyone for the advice.

Girls, maybe anyone needs it, this is the address of the store's warehouse where we bought the PMM, but there is also a lot of things besides PMM, 🔗.
Last weekend we went to the store and looked at PMM Siemens, so it costs 37 tons with a penny. and here it is 5 tons cheaper.

If I'm not tired of comparing Bosch 5513 and Veko 6830 with mine yet

Hairpin, It is very interesting to read you, keep testing. I'm just going to buy a PM and the choice is between these models. Well, maybe someone else will advise something ...

Dear owners of Beko 6830, I have one more question for you - is the heating element hidden in this model or not? The fact is that my husband and I went to Eldorado to see inexpensive PMMs live, and I saw with horror that Indesit, Zanussi had an open ten (at the bottom of the camera), and now I am very interested in the question about Beko, it is gnawing at me .. . open heating elements to me well, not at all high .... many thanks in advance

And how did the open ten prevent you so much?

[Lionsea]

Lionsea The ten is hidden in the Electroyux. "An open heating element is considered an obsolete design." So said the PMM repairman.

Outdated, not outdated, but it certainly does not interfere and is almost invisible. The dishwasher is such a thing that you can't think of anything particularly new there. Well, maybe hide the ten for aesthetics.

Well, I don’t like everything here, my Blomberg has a ten hidden away, and this is why I’m more interested in Beko, since it’s unrealistic to watch Beko live, and mom will just need to buy PMM. And since we are now a little limited in terms of the budget, the choice fell on Beko, since Beko's washing machine has been working for my aunt for many years without problems, and I also bought Beko's washing machine for my mother last year - pah pah pah ... I'm quite happy ... In general, I'm really looking forward to an answer, where is this ten? Pozhzhzhzhaluysta

I can't say about 6830, but in my 5830 there are NO open shadows !! And in general, I am insanely happy with my machine, and your chosen model is even better !!!

I looked through the entire PMM, did not find any shadow. I even took out the filters. Where is he?

I looked through the entire PMM, did not find any shadow. I even took out the filters. Where is he?

At the bottom. Remember before there were electric kettles with an open spiral, and now all have a closed spiral. It's the same here.

[Berry]

Berry A flow-through heater (heating element) is located inside the PMM, and is hidden from the eyes by the body, it can only be seen by removing the side covers of the PMM

[Lionsea]

Well then I answer the question Lionsea: Beko has 6830 tendencies hidden!

to Berry - thank you so much for your answer Now I will calmly order Beko 6830

hello, what can you say about Bosch SMS 53M08, the opinion of experienced users has already been ordered, I'm waiting. please write reviews

[anna]

anna, Bosch rarely complains about. I have 55T03, already archived. 2.5 years. Very happy. I still don’t get enough of her.

[Pogremushka]

Pogremushka, the proud letter T in the name of your car indicates that it belongs to the top class. A M y anna, respectively, to the average. There is a difference in price, functionality, build quality, to a greater or lesser extent ...

Thank you Jeffrey for the clarification. Although it seems to me that I did not meet any special complaints about M either.

I also do not know what the marking on the PMM means. The more I read the forum, the more I learn

[Basja]

Well, today I also became the owner of the Siemens PPM. The dear one is standing in the corridor now, all of herself so beautiful. no words. Thanks everyone for the advice.

Basja, I here for some time did not look at Temka ... With the purchase of you! Already connected? Write about your impressions.

They brought me a Beko DFS 6830 today Impressions in appearance: nice, albeit a bit square (as someone wrote on Yandex-Market); quite readable and understandable display, I really liked the number of programs - 8! quite good for the money (ugh in the direction of Bosch with 4 programs with the same temperature ... it's a pity there was no fotik with me, the tin was full) ... all programs are written on the front panel, and, I think, learn the numbers of the most necessary not so difficult ... closed ten (ugh in the direction of indesite and zanussi with open shades - well, I don’t like that, immediately associations arise with ancient Soviet electric kettles) ... convenient and easy-to-remember buttons - this is what I mean in the last moment began to doubt between this narrow model and the full-size 6611, but still outweighed the 6830, because the 6611 has inconvenient buttons in my picky eyes ... folding plate holders in the lower basket ... it seems that the upper one is adjustable in height basket - otherwise, why would she need extra wheels? half load !!! generally killed me ... and so the machine is small, so also 1/2 of the load ... I don't have half the load in the big Blomberg, and sometimes I really want to wash a little dishes ... and save a little)))) quite a bit) ))) Delayed start timer again, a trifle, but nice)))) And finally, one small minus - the lack of aquaseva, alas ... Impressions based on the results of use will be somewhere in a month, since the machine was bought in a gift for NG mom (upon arrival from vacation I will definitely write).

[Lydia]

Lydia... connected, and already it works for me at all. I am very pleased, I have not used Long programs yet, soaps for 30 minutes. Washes everything great, noise, except for the noise of water when it floods, I do not hear, maybe because I do not listen

[Basja]

Basja, great, I'm very glad. You are great, and for some reason I did not dare to launch a short program for a long time. There was some somewhat savage mistrust - well, how can she wash it out in 30 minutes! "I tried to wash my daughter, who, as usual, had no time. Now we mainly use this program.

Well, long and fruitful work for your car!

I received my PMM today. Beautiful, big. We'll connect one of these days. They came to me with a typewriter as an advertisement, two plastic boxes, it is written that this detergent Kolganit finish. I thought that the finish is also in pills and it is in plastic, or is it something that dissolves there. Can you please tell me this plastic container and put it in the PMM?

Dear PMM owners, does anyone have a Beko DIS 1520 (built-in)? Share your impressions.
Interested in the Quick & Clean program. Is this program for all cars at 65 degrees?

Girls, I haven't looked in for a hundred years, the Internet hasn't worked, I want to thank you again for choosing a dishwasher, it has been working for more than a month, I even think about a month 2. True, there were a couple of questions
1.salt och quickly ended, but they say it needs to be filled up once every 3 months, and after a month, the indicator came on
2.then I wanted to find out what kind of cleaner the solution is being sold - as it is exactly called I don’t remember the dishwasher calgonite ...
3. Advise the powder, otherwise I use all the pills. what powder to take ... and how much to add. after all, powder is more convenient and economical?