Dishwasher selection (1)

[milena20111984]

I looked at the whirlpool. prices under 20 thousand, taking into account that the Bosch 23 thousand is worth, I don't understand what to do and actually rummaged through the Internet very little about the 45cm whirlpool, detached and not reviews, nothing how to be ...

milena20111984, and your PMM will really "stand apart"? At first I also looked at the detached ones, and then I decided on the installation (and I am very glad that I took the installation). Vaughn Hairpin even changed two doors to shove PMM. Moreover, Virpula only has no doors, but there are side walls (unlike Bosch). I took mine from MVideo (it is still there - 17990), not the cheapest store, probably in Moscow you can find it cheaper. And if it is a stand-alone - then take Beko 5830 - programs (for every taste, 1/2 load. I think it will be washed just like Whirlpool, they are too similar, Beko probably bought a license from Whirpul, and spar the exact same ones under his own name. The guarantee is bigger, cheaper than Whirlpool, there will probably be no problems with repairs in Moscow ... although this hotline is being criticized ... Think about the installation.

[Boo Boo]

Boo Boo The problem is not in the type of drying, but in the manufacturer. According to some sources, the Kaiser company 🔗 🔗 registered in Germany, by our compatriots. Prod ktsiyu supplies only to Russia and Ukraine

[milena20111984]

milena20111984 I have this model, but I repeat once again, if possible, then take the 6830, it has an excellent function - clean dishes, it washes at 65 grams. 58 minutes (Tortyzhka wrote about this) 5830 does not have this function and the best program lasts 96 minutes. And Kaiser (at first I wanted to buy it, because I have such a stove) the seller explained to me in the store that they are ahead of the stoves, but what is connected with water .... there are many flaws.

zvezda, tell me, in which store did you buy your eyelid? I looked at the VEKO DFN 6837 model on the Internet, but it seems that I simply won't find it to watch it live. You won't find her in the internet during the day with fire. And you live nearby (on the next street), maybe you will advise something ...

zvezda, tell me, in which store did you buy your eyelid? I looked at the VEKO DFN 6837 model on the Internet, but it seems that I simply won't find it to watch it live. You won't find her in the internet during the day with fire. And you live nearby (on the next street), maybe you will advise something ...

I bought in an internet store 🔗, but I will try to search for your model. Do you just want to see Veko? or exactly your model?

Look at this model, it is better in functions than that. what did you choose
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Do you just want to see Veko? or exactly your model?

I just want to look inside a full-sized VEKO machine. But there is an obvious deficit with a choice. And of all the VEKO cars, I liked the DFN 6837 for all the characteristics, but it seems that it is not at all in St. Petersburg. I keep Bosch in my head - but it's very expensive, and I don't know where to see this brand live. Narrow ones don't suit me. And I don’t want to buy something without ever seeing it.

[mish]

mish Why are you so obsessed with the century? The city is full of good AEG-Electrolux-Zanussi cars, and not much more expensive, and IMHO quality is better, and service

[Boo Boo]

Boo Boo The problem is not in the type of drying, but in the manufacturer. According to some sources, the Kaiser company 🔗 🔗 registered in Germany, by our compatriots. Prod ktsiyu supplies only to Russia and Ukraine

Apparently so, I don't like their washing machine either. And their service is terrible. On the other hand, the new Bosch also causes a lot of negative emotions in two of my friends.

[mish]

mish Mega Dybenko has a large selection of full-size cars.But about the Veko .... 6611 is better !!! This function, which I wrote about, is sooo necessary !!! I specially went and looked .... no !!! The eyelid inside is better than Bosch, but this is IMHO !!!!

[milena20111984]

milena20111984, and your PMM will really "stand apart"? At first I also looked at the detached ones, and then I decided on the installation (and I am very glad that I took the installation). Vaughn Hairpin even changed two doors to shove PMM. Moreover, Virpula only has no doors, but there are side walls (unlike Bosch). I took mine from MVideo (it is still there - 17990), not the cheapest store, probably in Moscow you can find it cheaper. And if it is a stand-alone - then take Beko 5830 - programs (for every taste, 1/2 load. I think it will be washed just like Whirlpool, they are too similar, Beko probably bought a license from Whirpul, and spar the exact same ones under his own name. The guarantee is bigger, cheaper than Whirlpool, there will probably be no problems with repairs in Moscow ... although this hotline is being criticized ... Think about the installation.

Aynat, I once wanted an installation. bought a kitchen, but since the kitchen is not expensive, there were no doors for built-in and they just left us a hole where I planned a dishwasher, so I have no options, and about mvideo we plan to take it to Eldorado, although if you order in an online store, it is much cheaper, and installation in an Eldorado 5 thousand, this is a dishwasher floor, nonsense is shorter

Can someone advise me on an online store in Moscow where you can order a dishwasher?

[milena20111984]

milena20111984 I have this model, but I repeat once again, if possible, then take the 6830, it has an excellent function - clean dishes, it washes at 65 grams. 58 minutes (Tortyzhka wrote about this) 5830 does not have this function and the best program lasts 96 minutes. And Kaiser (at first I wanted to buy it, because I have such a stove) the seller explained to me in the store that they are ahead of the stoves, but what is connected with water .... there are many flaws.

Thank you, I kind of set my sights on Beko, but don't tell me how you were looking for an online store, where you took Beko. I went to their officer. site-found dealers, phoned, there is no dishwasher needed, and most of the "alleged" dealers listed on the site generally said that they had never worked with Beko ... amazing

[milena20111984]

milena20111984,

my kitchen is also not the most expensive, and we hung the door standard 45cm that went to the kitchens (there were even cuts for fasteners for hanging, they took them element by element in the store - just the facades and frames they needed), nothing came up like a native. But the doors for 60cm PMM are really "cheap". By the way, some people make two doors on 60cm cars - 30 * 72 - vertical or 60 * 36 - there are horizontal ones in many kitchens now, although horizontal ones are certainly preferable. In general, it's a pity, of course, that it won't work. By the way, pay attention that some freestanding PMMs (Electrolux for example) are 63 cm deep and will stick out of the kitchen.

And as for the installation / connection, my husband installed it himself, there is nothing to do there (though we had a socket prepared for PMM, and a cold water drain - we made them during the repair), 5t. R. - this is too much

[zvezda]

zvezda 6611 does not dry completely 🔗

aynat, thanks. my husband said that he would install it himself, because he was not ready to give up 5 thousand, we also had an outlet and a cold water outlet (we have been planning a dishwasher for a long time and now we decided), about the built-in ... oh, not even I know. I would have thought, but then look for the door. again, I will do this, but my baby is too cheeky. so today the whole family will eat on a humpback, maybe we will take it there :) oh, how you want to take it and to be lucky)

I don’t know ... I don’t know ... There seems to be such a phrase that the guarantee is valid only if installed by a specialized organization.
My husband also installed it. But I had a dark situation ... It is unlikely that they would want to contact me ... with my Madagascar cockroaches ...

[Hairpin]

I do not know...There seems to be such a phrase that the guarantee is valid only if installed by a specialized organization.

Hairpin,

on the xbt-forum I read that all this is garbage. Warranties can only be void if they prove that the breakdown occurred EXACTLY due to incorrect connection. And some cunning and savvy even managed to extend the guarantee for themselves, since the guarantee comes from the date of purchase or the date of installation, and, having called the master, he spanked the installation with the current number (for an additional fee, of course). And take such money for 10, no, even less minutes of work per connection with existing communications -!

[milena20111984]

milena20111984
I don't know where you are from, but here we have
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sazalexter all the machines do not dry completely, this does not apply to the plates, the dishes just need to be removed not immediately, in the same place where you gave the link it is written.

Hello everyone! Maybe my question is not the topic, but I really want to know. My PMM Bosch does not wash pots well after boiling broth, there is a protein deposit, and after rice it does not wash well. I don’t know what to do besides washing by hand. Help with advice.

Protein plaque does not wash away from me either. Interestingly, and at someone it is washed in PM?

[zvezda]

zvezda my car dries to the END !!! The dishes are dry, only slightly warm Except for plastic dishes
The casserole after the broth is not directly washed.

Maybe I'm a bore, but I always smear (not just, but with effort) my Zepter saucepans with Zepter's agent before washing. And I get a consistently excellent result - everything shines and sparkles. And if you do not spread it, then there are stains along the bottom, and the rim from cooking the soup (I always cook in water) remains ...
In the last few pages, Beko was so praised that I already began to doubt the quality of Bosch. I used to think that this is common to all PMMs.

[k.alena]

k.alena With Bosch, you are obviously out of luck, good car

Truth is better and this Miele It's like a Bugatti or a Maybach

[sazalexter]

sazalexter mine also dries to the end, I just answered about the link and instructions for the PM.
k.alena You smear dirty dishes with this product (from a blue bottle)? My frying pan washes well, and the lid is generally beautiful.
Girls, it seems to me that we need to indicate at what temperatures and what means we use. Yesterday I bought a new powder, and so he didn’t wash anything AT ALL, I immediately washed it with a pill .... and everything is fine. And he washes my pots.

First, I use a spoon to scrub all the leftovers into the trash bin (as well as from any other dish), then rinse with water, pour in the product (from a blue bottle) and spread with the hard side of a sponge. The longer it stays in this form, the better the result. This procedure does not bother me, since there are usually 1-2 pots / pans in a load. Another such moment, the thermocontrollers from the lids (and not only the Zepter dishes) must be twisted before washing. Otherwise, they will come to kirdyk very quickly

[k.alena]

k.alena These are such "dances with a tambourine" with Zepter's pots It's easier to wash with your hands. We can say that you put clean dishes in the PM
I personally do not rinse anything, and it is not recommended to do it

[k.alena]

k.alena These are such "dances with a tambourine" with Zepter's pots It's easier to wash with your hands. We can say that you put clean dishes in the PM
I personally do not rinse anything, and it is not recommended to do this

As for the "dancing", I also agree. After all, if you do all these procedures, then you will only have to rinse this pan. Why then a dishwasher? But regarding what is not recommended, then in the PMM of previous generations it was highly recommended to remove all food leftovers. I also don’t do anything with the dishes, but this is rather due to the fact that it is not customary in our family to leave food on the plates. And it's a shame for the pots, they often have to be washed by hand.

[k.alena]

k.alena These are such "dances with a tambourine" with Zepter's pots It's easier to wash with your hands. We can say that you put clean dishes in the PM
I personally do not rinse anything, and it is not recommended to do it

For me personally, when washing Zepter pots, the most difficult thing is to wipe them dry, they are heavy. And the machine will wash and dry. By the way, and all sorts of stamping, and hard-to-reach places, where manually in any way. And I rinse it because I somehow use a remedy for the remains of food.If you don't do all this, then personally, the appearance of my pots does not suit me. We can arrange a photo gallery of washed pots

[k.alena]

k.alena Thank you for the reminder! !! I completely forgot about them !!! I also do not like to wipe these heavy dishes, and why not wash in PM ???

Finally, we did it and bought a Beko DFS 5830 dishwasher (unfortunately, the 6830 was not on sale anywhere, and we were determined to take it tomorrow, then I’ll tell you what and how. The seller put us on some German tablets .. for 210 rubles, I strongly advised.Well, I'll try, but should I buy salt or rinse aid for the tablets?

[milena20111984]

milena20111984 Salt is needed, without it the ion exchanger will quickly "die" and this will be a non-warranty case, replacement is about $ 200.
No rinse aid is needed when using tablets.

Thanks, but you can still ask a stupid question, what is the name of the salt? dishwasher salt cars? the seller immediately decided to sell me salt 2kg 290 rubles, I decided that it was diluting and did not take ... but now I think. so what's the name tell the illiterate

milena20111984,
this is the name of the salt for PMM, a package of Calgonite 1.5kg costs (with us) from 80r to 110r. Above the inscription "Special salt".

[milena20111984]

milena20111984 , congratulations on your purchase!
The regiment of BEKOShnikov arrives on the sly ... we will wait for your feedback about the new assistant.
Salt is sold in large supermarkets with detergents or washing powders.
Usually I take a somat canister 2.5 kg of powder -350 rubles, salt-75 rubles a pack (I don't know how much is there, like 2 kilograms) and a rinse aid in a plastic transparent bottle 1 liter. I forgot how much it costs.
My dishes are often and a lot, so I choose a cheaper product. cheaper Somata did not see.
Are there any instructions and instructions on the "German tablets"? In any case, use them only when running long programs (2-3 hours). on fast-30min-1 hour, they simply do not have time to dissolve in order to wash and rinse.
Congratulations again! I am very glad that they decided and bought. For numerous visitors to the site, please tell me where you bought it, it is very desirable, how much.

oh, thank you very much for your congratulations and advice. I bought it in Moscow, on Gorbushka for 11.500 rubles, I will repeat Beko DFS 5830, tomorrow they will bring it and my husband will install it, I hope everything will work, I will definitely unsubscribe.
I don’t know about the German pills; By the way, for reference, delivery from Gorbushka across Moscow is free! Okay, I will not boast, they will bring it on time, install it and write everything
current salt still needs to be bought so it may not be possible to check it right away

Why are you wasting your time ?! Blow into the 24-hour supermarket for salt - you still won't fall asleep all night waiting for the long-awaited purchase!

Yes, I would love to, but I can't leave my daughter. will wake up yet, and the husband does not even know which side to approach her. about not going to sleep. and the truth is something very worried. everything would be fine

Congratulations ! Everything will be fine! Dishwasher is girls' best friend (after diamonds).

I've also recommended DFS 5830 to my friend. There is simply no 6830 on the Russian-language site, so I decided that it was not on sale either. In the Internet, prices are from 13 thousand. The fact that Gorbushka has 11500 is very interesting. Now I’m waiting for him to buy it, and I’ll find out if Veko can wash the silicone brush from Charlotte's cream in thirty minutes ... I’ll bring him the brush myself ...

[milena20111984 !!]

milena20111984 !!Congratulations on your purchase !! You have exactly the same model as mine. I really like the German top house tablets and the powder is convenient too.Then get used to the programs, Shpilechka sat in the kitchen for several days and listened to the machine humming, and in the first three days I washed EVERYTHING. that lends itself to washing !!! Even a wedding service for 12 people and all the crystal, all the jars of cereals ..... in general, too, could not get enough of it. Look. how best to arrange the dishes, but I already wrote that I did experiments with the fact that I piled everything in the upper basket at random .... In general, restless, troublesome, pleasant days for you !!!

I've also recommended DFS 5830 to my friend. There is simply no 6830 on the Russian-language site, so I decided that it was not on sale either. In the Internet, prices are from 13 thousand. The fact that Gorbushka has 11500 is very interesting. Now I’m waiting for him to buy it, and I’ll find out if Veko can wash the silicone brush from Charlotte's cream in thirty minutes ... I’ll bring him the brush myself ...

about Gorbushka-go there, of course, it is necessary. but I'll tell you right away. for example, the DFS 6830 model was nowhere to be found anywhere, and we took the last 5830, so as I understand it was so cheap. there are many Beko, but this model is nowhere to be found. everything in DFS 1500!
By the way, I will clarify once again, delivery in Moscow is free and an interesting fact you can bargain with them ... just my husband and I do not know how and they threw us only 200 rubles.
in the evening I will let you know if it is delivered on time, they promised after 4x today, they gave an advance payment of 1000 rubles, as we understood, you can not give

bought "Calgonit" salt 1.5 kg for 109 rubles in the Seventh Continent, which was closer.

I'll tell you a little story about my PM, maybe someone will do it. PM Electrolux ESF 4151
Purchased according to updated data in December 2004
She broke down last night, stopped heating water and drying.
After diagnostics (smell in the upper part) it was decided that this was an electronic unit.
I didn’t smile at all to change it and pay 10 sput.
An autopsy showed that a piece of the printed circuit board near the heating element relay was burned off.
The whole repair took 1 hour, a soldering iron, a piece of copper wire, a T10 key
The machine is back in service
ЗЫ electronics block manufactured by Bitron, which manufactures components for the following companies 🔗

Thank you all for the congratulations
Thank you very much for your help in choosing
They brought my Beko. so a short review of Beko DFS 5830 and Gorbushka.
delivered to us ahead of time, but it was only to our advantage. Delivered without a box, only in a package, they explained this by the fact that we took the last one from the showcase, and packing it back into the box is unrealistic !!! surprised.
then the husband's brother connected, quickly enough. really had to go for hoses and something else. hooked up quickly enough, everything fit. true, in order to shove it under the countertop they removed the top cover - horror, of course, what a view
I stuffed dishes, cups, a frying pan, plates, salt, too, not the whole box fit and the "Yplon" tablets, which the seller advised us. turned on the car, washed for almost 2 hours, everything was clean, BUT the cups and cutlery were wet, and if you look closely at the plates, then. there were some stains (I have black, shiny plates), but that's all right, in short, there is almost no drying there, as I understood.
now I can probably guess how Beko differs from Bosch :)
well, for that kind of money, it will do, the main thing is not to break
and now I have a question - I can not set the water hardness, according to the instructions it is written so strange - the five of us tried and nothing happened. about the softness of the water, a litmus test was given and also showed soft water, something I do not believe at all

and another question. the instructions say that during the first operation the sensor for the lack of salt is on - no need to worry about the salt solution, etc., but for some reason the sensor for the lack of rinse aid burned for me: (it's scary? I have 5-in-1 tablets, add salt there it seems like it’s not necessary .. but I added, what about the rinse aid?

1. About drying. How long after the signal were the dishes taken out?
2. Streaks may be dependent on rinse aid. Or they may not depend. Play with the rinse steps. Although how to play them if the pills ...
3.It is better if the rinse aid sensor is on than the salt sensor. If the salt had not been filled in, the salt sensor would be on. But salt would not be needed.
4. Streaks on plates ... pills ... maybe try a liquid rinse with regular powder?

Hairpin,
1.How she turned off, I immediately opened it to look, I look clean, but I left the dishwasher wet, so that it dries up, but do not need to open it? wait a while?
2. and how to play with the rinse aid levels?
Beko's instructions are disgusting, she didn't really understand anything. yet with this rigidity is not clear ..

[Tanya 1962]

Well, I can only tell you about my Bosch. When I open it to turn it off (otherwise it will squeak from me until the second coming), then such steam is coming out of there ... If I open it by 15 degrees, then my glasses fog up so much that you can't see anything. Sometimes I take it out (when I'm in a hurry), but mostly I leave it closed for 30-40 minutes. It cools down, and, I think, dries up.
Next to the powder section, I have the rinse aid section. There is an arrow, which, like an arrow on a clock, I can turn by 2, I can turn by 5. Since I did not understand how much I need, after I saw a divorce, I twist back and forth. And the instructions say that when streaks appear, you need to reduce the dose of rinse aid.

Tanya 1962! And what is the rinse aid on?

Star! How is your drying? The main thing is plates and spoons / forks. I have them dry.

Boldly ... Something I can't believe ... How did you define softness?
I never found the indicator strips in pet stores.

Why define it? This is a well-known fact. We never have scale. But in Novgorodskaya, in my dacha, there is such a tough horror. There is a skiff without calgonite.

The hairpin is absolutely true and I pour about 15 ml, I really like this gel

I want to share some advice about salt! I have a Zanussi car. So my instructions say that before the first use of salt, you need to pour water into the reservoir into which the salt is poured, and then pour the salt (I have the whole pack!), After that remove all the salt and water residues (the cat must pour out as salt falls asleep) and start the main program! And then just look at the salt indicator and add more as needed.
tanya1962, and where is this gel sold and where to fill it?

Nikama in Moscow in large hypermarkets there are departments of Japanese detergents and cosmetics, where I buy all the chemicals. And I pour it into the compartment where the powder is poured or a pill is put.