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[Girls]

Girls, please tell me, is the worktop the same with the sink is it convenient?

[Crochet]

Crochet,

Integrated? I have a separate Franke sink, but it is glued under the countertop.

[Crochet]

Crochet, do you mean a cast stone (polymer) sink?

I have it pasted too. In which case it can be replaced. And a single one - only if with the entire tabletop.

Inna, I have an integrated one, it is convenient for me

[Girls]

Integrated?

Well yes, she looks like ...

Girls, thank you all very much for your responsiveness !!!

And what would I do without you?

Would be lost, don't go to grandma ...

Well, I just can't plan the kitchen ...

Honestly, I don't know what I want, from the word at all ...

I have designer cretinism ...

[Crochet]

Crochet, the kitchen is the most interesting place!

[Marishka]

Oh), Marishka, so I can bake and cook around the clock and all year round, seven days a week and holidays !!!

But sensibly / grammatically plan the kitchen especially when you don’t know a damn about it ... well, it's not mine ...my husband is not an assistant in this matter ... we have no familiar designers ...it seems so die I will end my days under the ruins Lenin does not only remember him his headset ...

[Crochet]

Crochet, first write what, in your opinion, should be there (cooking, oven, dishwasher, etc.), then decide on the size (so that you can conveniently place the main utensils), then adjust the vertical-horizontal and, finally, the color scheme ... Or start from what you would like to change compared to the old kitchen. But this is easy to advise, and I myself have been drawing the kitchen for 1.5 years (on paper !!). I'll come up with options, I'll let you lie down .. Then I come back and immediately see the "jambs". For about 3 months I just smoothed out the horizontal-vertical so that everything would fit in and be comfortable. And in general, I hardly chose the facades - they already started to make cabinets and I chose everything. And, despite this, the filling of one of the lower cabinets was changed after the contract was signed.

[Crochet]

Crochet, of course, it is convenient during operation. Nice, there are no joints between the sink and the countertop, no fungus forms under the silicone strip. Several years ago, I wanted to order one, and with my order value it would have cost me free of charge. But, having learned what to change in case of a crack, a chip, the entire (!!!) countertop will have to be changed, I refused. I have a pencil case on it, too. That is, it would be necessary to disassemble half of the kitchen in case of an accident. And the cost has increased greatly during this time. I picked up a sink of the same color, made of artificial stone Alveus, and I am very pleased.

But, having learned what to change in case of a crack, a chip, the entire (!!!) countertop will have to be changed, I refused.

And the furniture assemblers told me the opposite, that on the contrary, it is very simple to eliminate cracks by fusing the damaged area and subsequent polishing. I have an L-shaped countertop 3.5 m by 2.5 m, it was simply unrealistic to transport such a whole, two parts were joined on the spot with hot melt and polished, the joint could not be found under a magnifying glass. They also left me a few strips of artificial stone in case of repairing the countertop, and the repair is carried out by the company itself, TTT, I have not yet needed

A friend recently had a chipboard countertop burst, here it’s for sure to change only entirely,

by the way, their kitchen is "Announcement", I do not advise

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, I wrote about cracks in the integrated sink - if, God forbid, they form, the entire countertop will have to be changed. And everyone knows about the repair of minor defects

I have an integrated sink, but inside it is metal, just doused with stone, and if a crack forms there, then I don't see any obstacles for repair, or I don't understand something

Perhaps this is something else.We did it without a metal base. The base was used as a template. Therefore, repairs are not possible.

[Belka13]

Belka13, Cvetaal,
now you will confuse yourself)

There are such sinks - they are the same with the countertop. These are integrated sinks made of acrylic artificial stone.
Acrylic artificial stone - polymer.
I have never seen this made of natural stone.


I have a stainless steel sink glued under the countertop. There is no silicone at all in the seams. Nothing flows anywhere.
Here's a plan. On occasion, such a sink can be changed over time.

Marina, I have a sink, as in the first photo, but the base is metal, it is nowhere to be seen, the sink is doused with artificial stone

found a photo of my sink

And I have a mortise sink made of artificial stone, so the seams there are smeared with silicone. It seemed to me that we understood each other. I was just surprised that you can pour metal from above with an artificial stone. In our villages, it seems that this is not done.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, then there is a third option! Dont know)
It turns out that the sink cannot be pulled out of the countertop without damaging the surface, right? (if necessary)

Added on Tuesday 23 Aug 2016 08:48 PM

I was just surprised that you can pour metal from above with an artificial stone.

This is also the first time I hear about this method.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, can you see this sink from below? And, I read that it is not visible. It's just that the masters told me that they then remove the metal base, I think, after the material has solidified. I would like to know all the nuances for the future. What if you can move again?

It turns out that the sink cannot be pulled out of the countertop without damaging the surface, right? (if necessary)

That's right, but if necessary (TTT), you can cut out a part of the countertop with a sink, pour it over a new one and polish the joints, however, I can't imagine what should happen to the sink to have to change it. I have had a kitchen since 2009, it has been used intensively, while everything is OK

Added on Tuesday 23 Aug 2016 09:07 PM

can you see this sink from below? And, I read that it is not visible. It's just that the masters told me that they then remove the metal base.

Olya, metal is nowhere to be seen, but when I asked about the durability of a sink made of artificial stone (specifically, it was about mine), the masters answered me: "What will she do, she is metal inside." I, naive, thought that all sinks have a metal base

[Cvetaal]

Cvetaal, Svetlana, I asked exclusively for general development)
For example, if you drop something heavy ..
I just can't find a technological justification for the metal under the stone, why do manufacturers do this? ... So far, only an economic justification comes to mind if the thickness of the sink itself is much less than the thickness of the countertop.

Added on Tuesday 23 Aug 2016 09:13 PM

I read the next post!
You have a regular integrated sink like in my photo!
I also thought that the bottom was metal, the top was acrylic spraying!

Marina, as I understand it, this was done just for strength, since the base of the countertop is made of chipboard, the stone is 5-6 mm on top, there is no idea how thick the stone is on the sink. Maybe this technology is related to the size of the sink, I have it large and deep, the baking sheet is easy to wash

You have a conventional integrated sink as in 1 photo!

So I am about the same

Cracks in the top cover can form if not handled very carefully. For example, my elderly mom dumps hot potato or pasta water directly into the sink, not including cold water. As a result, part of the stone sink was split off. So far it suffers, but if you have to change it, the costs are at least 4000 rubles.

Mom drains hot potato or pasta water directly into the sink, not including cold water.

And I do this, I have not thought about this, probably, the quality of the stone is also different.

Actually, I also drain. Sink is ten years old. No problem. Artificial stone sink can withstand up to 280^aboutFROM.

Well, maybe after hot water she immediately turned on cold water or dropped something sharp, I don't know. But this defect appeared 6 years after use.
I, too, however, do not always dilute with cold, just the installers advised to do so. I usually listen to the advice of the masters. And yes, my sink was the cheapest at the time of purchase - our Granfest. There were no other sinks of the shape I needed. Yes, and the sand color directly merged with the color of the countertop.

There is no metal inside the sink. They blurted out something incomprehensible. Or it's some kind of their technological know-how. Because the sinks are either separate (granite, metal, earthenware) are glued on the countertop or under the countertop, or they are made directly from the stone of the countertop and again glued, but imperceptibly to the eye and as if stuck together with the countertop. Therefore, they are called integrated or monolithic. There is no metal in them. They are from a sheet of stone countertop. I was on the shop floor. The shells were not even made the way you imagine it, if it's good material. There are few good manufacturers. The material is supplied in the form of cutting sheets. For sinks and other non-standard items, the stone is cut into the sides and bottom, and then heated in a special huge industrial "microwave". It becomes plastic and from it they begin to bend and "sculpt" beveled edges according to a pattern made of plywood. I don't remember what the template is from. Then everything is perfectly glued and polished. At least that's what they did from the Korean Samsung. I have a faux granite Franke sink glued under the countertop. Integrated I did not want.

[Nata]

Nata, so I only heard about such technology. And when I wanted to make an integrated sink with two bowls, I was told that such a sink needs to be bought from metal and provided to them as a template, and in production they will already cast what I need. And the metal will make the countertop heavier. And besides, what is the need to cover the sink with a stone from below, where no one can see it?

sink with two bowls

By the way), and what topic are we discussing kitchen sinks?

I need !!!

I cross between single and double ...

All my life I've been using a single one), I don't even know if I need a double one, don't ...

The girls specially called the factory where they made the kitchen for me, they explained the technology to me, in my sink the bottom is really metal and doused with stone, that is, not the whole sink, but only the bottom.

And, by the way, the entire countertop is not changed, if problems arose with the sink, this was also explained to me now

Inna, I had a double corner, it seemed not small, but it was inconvenient for me to wash large-sized dishes, now it is single, depth - 20 cm, width, length - 41 cm by 49 cm

[Crochet]

Crochet,

I have a single and no wing. Because there are no really big places for two, and I don't want two that are not very spacious. Therefore, I stopped at a large single. Everything fits. Really like.

kitchen sinks in what topic are discussed?

tyts and tyts.

[Cvetaal]

Cvetaal, Scarecrow, these are different production technologies.

Svetlana, I asked my husband, he said that it is possible. Stylish kitchens (you have them, if I don't confuse them) is a major manufacturer. They can afford to slightly change the technology, since (at least before) they were engaged in production themselves. (This was said by a furniture maker and a former owner of furniture showrooms with 15 years of experience)

Nata, you saw

from Korean Samsung

but there is also other production))) in the regions, small manufacturers are very much in demand, judging by the forum of furniture makers.

And Pasha studied the issue of these countertops several years ago with the idea of ​​opening his own production.
So now there is a technology that is available to everyone almost "on the knee"
Particleboard is taken from it, a workpiece is cut out, the bottom, wings, etc., polymers are taken, which are mixed with each other, all kinds of chemical solutions are added, a mass is obtained that is applied to the workpieces. When solidified, a durable coating is obtained, it is polished and oops! They say nothing about quality.Of course, Samsung and others can win, but other things being equal, such a plan, technologies went to the masses and became more accessible to consumers, especially in the regions.
At 12-13 years old, if I am not confused, the guys took $ 200-300 per meter using such technologies, Corian / Samsung cost $ 400-500 and natural stone from 1000 and more.

The technology of the Ministry of Plastics is called. And there is still such a plan. The cost price there turned out to be ridiculous.
I found it in the bookmarks!

🔗

I consider the best natural stone countertops. Granite is of course the most durable. I have a countertop made of natural marble Imperador Gold, it is very beautiful, dark in color. I wanted granite, but my husband persuaded me to use marble. Although marble requires much more careful maintenance. We were warned that marble is afraid of oil and acid. In principle, stains do not remain if you wipe them off immediately or within an hour. It turns out there are water stains, I did not know about it. Let's say you leave a wet mug on the table overnight and in the morning there is already a white circle under the mug. I already have a couple of such circles, but they are visible only if a bright light illuminates that place. That is, you have to be a neat housewife with marble, in principle, this is a plus, you cannot afford disgusting in the kitchen 😀 You also cannot wash marble with any chemistry, only water or special. chemistry for marble. So the main advantage of such a countertop is beauty, sophistication and luxury.

[Ludmila]

Ludmila, in Russia the price of such countertops And so, I'm sure many would use them with pleasure.

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79, I love it too, my countertop is a quartz agglomerate, brought from Italy. The truth went to me along with the kitchen and essentially free.
But now, when the need arose for another 3 meters of countertop, the price is absolutely not humane
Boeing wing and even cheaper!
So we are racking our brains with my husband for a year, how to combine what we want with finances and aesthetics.

I finished reading about the marble countertop) I remembered: did the parents make repairs in the apartment, in the country there was a crisis of 97-98 when the dollar there sharply became not 6 rubles?
I wanted to invest money and make it beautiful! As a result, 2 Italian headsets were bought for the bath / toilet. The large sink has a marble countertop, 20-30 cm wings on 2 sides. The toothbrushes / dispensers were strictly on the sink, and if we (the children) managed to drip onto this countertop while washing, then there was a special towel to urgently wipe off the water)))
I now understand my mother who chased us)))) But in fairness, for the sake of the headsets, it still stands, in the same beautiful form, and now my sister drives her children there, and my parents, arriving at the apartment, come and rejoice at what a good headset they are have chosen!
It is very difficult for me to imagine marble in the kitchen, precisely in terms of care

[Crochet]

Crochet, Inna, I have a kitchen set with the letter P, there was a place for a double sink. I installed an Alveus Futur 50 sink made of artificial stone. It turned out to be very convenient and functional. In the right bowl, I defrost food or put dishes to drain.

Svetlana, I asked my husband, he said that it was possible. Stylish kitchens (you have them, if I don't confuse them) is a major manufacturer. They can afford to slightly change the technology, since (at least before) they were engaged in production themselves. (This was said by a furniture maker and a former owner of furniture showrooms with 15 years of experience)

Yes, Marina, I have "Stylish Kitchens", and they still manufacture themselves

[Svetlana]

Svetlana,

[marina-asti]

It is very difficult for me to imagine marble in the kitchen, precisely in terms of care

quite normal. I cut it on cutting boards, if suddenly something splashes, I immediately wipe it off with a rag and everything is fine. My husband traveled specifically to Valencia (Spain) to the Imperador Gold marble mine and bought a large sheet of marble for 1000 euros, which was enough for the countertop and sill, and for finishing the fireplace, although another 1500 was given for cutting and finishing the edges. But all the same in Russia, and here in Spain, where we live, marble is much more expensive.In general, in Europe, everyone recognizes only natural stone, mainly granite, of course, so here artificial stone is cheaper than natural. That is why I think that in Russia prices for artificial stone are unreasonably high.
marina-asti, but if the marble is treated with care, then it can serve for years and more than one generation. And in the end, if that it can always be polished and it will be again as good as new and cover it with a special protective cover from stains.

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79, well, when my husband went to factories in Italy and chose his suppliers ... eh, there were times))) Since then, my countertop and kitchen ...
But times are changing, and now when they call me prices per meter from 1000 euros, I am ready to stop loving this stone and fall in love with an artificial

Added Wednesday 24 Aug 2016 7:13 PM

if that you can always polish it and it will be like new again and cover it with a special protective cover against stains.

Yes, and there was a flat bottle for polish. I agree that looking at him now it is difficult to say that he is almost 20 years old, he looks great!

and how much do they ask for an artificial stone?
By the way, I still wanted granite. But here they asked for 5,000 euros for granite, and marble cost us much cheaper. Because before we had granite, it really is not afraid of anything, neither hot, nor a knife, nor stains. In my opinion it is eternal.

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79, found a calculation, did it in March. Pure matte white color is chosen and one of the inexpensive manufacturers.

Grandex P-104 Pure White (Tabletop H-12-60mm.) 1.64 m2 20 475.00 (this is per sq. M) 33 579.00 (this is for a product without installation)

USD 300 per sq. m

From quartz agglomerate was considered in the same place, 2 times more expensive. BUT! everywhere the thickness of the table top is 30 mm, I have 40!
To make it a uniform thickness, you need to make from 2 plates of 20mm each. And this, accordingly, costs even more.

tyts and tyts.

Lar, tell me, pzhl, how do you do tyts tyts? Or click where to read

[marina-asti]

marina-asti, and what kind of countertop do you think to make?

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79, while we live so gloriously) I do not have a very important place where a tabletop is needed. I can't find it from the tablet now, I posted a photo of how we began to equip a place in the kitchen, later, if interested, I will find it from a computer.

Added Wednesday 24 Aug 2016 8:54 PM

Links for tablets:



It seems that I inserted a photo, here a tabletop is needed under the window, but I see it combined with the window sill. It will be on 3 legs along the facade, but between these shelves, my husband put them on wheels, it is convenient to move. There is a battery behind them, and it will be necessary to make slots in the tabletop.

how do you do tyts?

Take a look at the PM, Natasha!

[dopleta]

dopletawhy in a personal? I wanna know too

I thought everyone can. OK. The required address bar is copied. Then we select the "hyperlink" icon (with a globe and a leaf), with the arrow we take one step to the left and put the = sign, paste the copied address bar, return with the arrow a step to the right and name the resulting active link as we wish! Most importantly, do not forget that such links can only be made within the forum.

[Olenka]

In the right bowl, I defrost food or put dishes to drain.

Olenka, Thank you !!!

Perhaps you should think about a double sink ...

I'll go study the topic ...

Kroshik, if the footage allows, take a double with a large sink. I have a double stone one, a large one - 35 cm, a small one - 18 cm (these are not the dimensions of the sinks, but the useful "sink" centimeters). I calmly wash my 15-liter saucepan in a large one (only a swivel tap is needed), and in a small one there is a colander, conveniently washed vegetables / fruits / greens there - drain, defrost the meat again. In general, take a double!