Rita
Quote: sazalexter

rusja My Swedish suite feels great. I began to cool the refrigerator a little more. This is despite the fact that the room is attic and warms up from the sun for 40 * lux "domestic" also seems to work normally, I did not notice any deviations in work
How do you distinguish between Swedish luxury and domestic? Where is it written somewhere?
sazalexter
Rita Inside there is a nameplate with full characteristics, ours are assembled at the VESTEL factory
Danfoss compressors are in Swedish
On domestic Brazil and China This is reflected only in the level of noise emitted. The Swede makes much less noise.
strawberry
Today I got into this discussion, and x-k was brought 2 weeks ago-Liebherr. I don't like to think about it for a long time, I looked, read the reviews on the x-ke and still bought Liebherr, the simplest model. Satisfied with the width of 55cm and the absence of handles. Assembling Slovenia. Now I can say that I should have bought a more functional model, for example, with 2 compressors. Although? .. Works silently, freezes well. I'm happy so far.
RybkA
Now I can say that I should have bought a more functional model, for example, with 2 compressors. Although?..
strawberry , I had an ATLANT with two compressors. We also bought it, we thought that it would be a very necessary weight, but for all 10 years of use, I turned it off in half only a couple of times. I thought that I would leave and turn off the refrigerator, and let the freezer work. So I always have some kind of jar with something lying around, which is a pity to throw away. It's better to let it stand ...

sazalexter
RybkA The meaning of the two compressors is more different, energy savings, cooling efficiency and much less noise!
Tanyusha
And I need a black refrigerator in the kitchen, I liked BEKO CSK 38300 BA, maybe someone knows something about the refrigerators of this company.
RybkA
Quote: sazalexter

RybkA The meaning of the two compressors is more different, energy savings, cooling efficiency and much less noise!
sazalexter, but what is the savings if two motors are running instead of one? And how does this affect the cooling? Let's take a closer look ...
About the noise ... I don't know what it depends on, BUT ... here I agree with you, I practically did not hear ATLANT two compressor stations, and now there is one Whirlpool compressor - my mother ... We were, of course, warned that it will be a little noisy at first, BUT for almost a year now, and the refrigerator is still making strange sounds.
I no longer liked the fact that the fruit / vegetable drawer is solid, not double, and when it is heavily loaded, it is difficult to pull everything out at once. You sharpe it here / there and think, how not to turn out something
sazalexter
RybkA Both compressors hardly work at the same time. More than half of the time, the one who works for the refrigerator, which is constantly "slammed"
strawberry
strawberry [/ b], I had an ATLANT with two compressors. We also bought it, we thought that it would be a very necessary weight, but for all 10 years of use, I turned it off in half only a couple of times. I thought that I would leave and turn off the refrigerator, and let the freezer work. So I always have some kind of jar with something lying around, which is a pity to throw away. It's better to let it stand ...
Just about, I also understood. Anyway, something will remain. And Liebherr I have a very economical A +. And the best x-k is yours!
RybkA
Quote: sazalexter

RybkA Both compressors hardly work at the same time. More than half of the time, the one who works for the refrigerator, which is constantly "slammed"
sazalexter, Yes??? How so? That is, you want to say that such a refrigerator works at half capacity? Is the single-compressor one twice as large?
nut
I have a BOSCH two-compressor with a height of 2.10, it works silently, at first I even approached and listened, it may not work, now I'm used to it and it freezes and cools well in such a heat, but what is very convenient - you need to defrost the freezer, turn it off and that's it, and the rest continues to work ... I am very happy with it
sazalexter
RybkA Here you see two compressor class A + (277 kWh / year), one compressor class A (332 kWh / year), the difference may not be very big ...
It's just that the power of only the refrigeration compressor, and therefore its energy consumption is lower than that of the universal one designed for both the freezer compartment and the refrigeration compartment.
Admin

I don’t know how other Liebherr models work, but my 3-chamber one loves to moan, grunt and make other sounds - at first it was unusual, now I don’t notice at all.
Qween
Quote: tanya1962

And I need a black refrigerator for the kitchen, I liked BEKO CSK 38300 BA, maybe someone knows something about the refrigerators of this company.

tanya1962, my parents were looking for a new refrigerator recently. The whole family was puzzled over which one to buy. They wanted it like mine (Zanussi), but it turned out that the refrigerators of this company have been doing for a long time ... I forgot where, but we didn't like it. And they said that there were a lot of breakdowns.

We asked sellers and services about which refrigerators break less often, etc. Everyone recommended VEKO. I was embarrassed by the price of these CENTURIES (inexpensive equipment), after all, a refrigerator is bought for more than one year.

As a result, we bought a century, and we are very happy with it. He works quietly, maximum - sometimes gurgles quietly.
Basja
sazalexter, I don’t know why you made such a conclusion not to take Liebhek, it’s the same thing that one has a good car, and the other is constantly repairing.
So with the refrigerator, as luck would have it. But as a rule, German technology is reliable. Works silently in general. And in this heat, I have no problems either with the refrigerator or with the freezer, although it is at my window, I recently wrote when the thermometer outside the window at 6 pm showed a temperature of 48.2 degrees, the room was 35, 8. We must look at where the assembly was made, that's all.
Luysia
Quote: Basja

sazalexter, I don’t know why you made such a conclusion not to take Liebheck, it’s the same thing that one car runs well, and the other constantly repairs.
So with the refrigerator, as luck would have it. But as a rule, German technology is reliable. Works silently in general. And in this heat, I have no problems either with the refrigerator or with the freezer, although it is at my window, I recently wrote when the thermometer outside the window at 6 pm showed a temperature of 48.2 degrees, the room was 35, 8. We must look at where the assembly was made, that's all.

I have had a Liebherr refrigerator (two-compartment) for almost 5 years.

When I bought it, I went around a bunch of stores. And everywhere they said that all refrigerators are a big lottery (only Indesit was not recommended), choose which one you like externally and for money.

And if you want reliability, then this is Liebcher. There are no special bells and whistles in it, simple, strict, but VERY reliable. And that was exactly what I needed, the old Snaige refrigerator (Baltic States) worked for 20 years and was never repaired and was written off in absolutely working order only for the reason that it was morally outdated.
Tanyusha
Qween thanks for the answer, I just thought if Veko's dishwashers work well for girls, then the refrigerators should be normal.
Admin
Quote: Luysia

And if you want reliability, then this is Liebcher.

Liebcher is a Rosenlev in the past, when he was considered the standard of quality and worked "for centuries" - many remember this.
The assembly is German, so the price is expensive, but Liebherr is Liebherr, he is worth it
And his design is laconic "for centuries", it will always be in fashion

Although, a matter of taste and means are different for everyone ...
sazalexter
Admin Small inaccuracy Rosenlev since 1992 belongs to Electrolux
sazalexter
Basja One time communication with the Liebherr "service" is enough to discourage the desire to buy their equipment
Admin
Quote: sazalexter

Admin Small inaccuracy Rosenlev since 1992 belongs to Electrolux 🔗

I'm talking about the time even earlier, before 1992 - then these refrigerators were few in the UNION, but they were spoken about with a capital letter and it was a blue dream, unattainable
I remember in '89 I bought a new two-chamber refrigerator ORSK - for great pull. And just a small separate freezer for a few kg. meat, but then it was True, he still works in the country, and stands there in the winter in an unheated house
sazalexter
Admin Read the link very interesting! The company began to produce the first refrigerators in Finland since 1951! And she was never German!
Tanyusha
At the weekend in the Mediamarket I saw Rosenlev refrigerators for almost 80 tr. production of Slovenia, it's just squalor.
Ksusha
I almost missed that my beloved Liebherr is not recommended here and I RECOMMEND him. Of course, if the budget allows. I took mine 2.5 years ago and did not regret it at all.
Ksusha
I began to read the topic backwards So about the zero camera - this is a thing !!!! Two drawers on runners - the devil can be shoved into them, but everything fresh lays specifically longer than in a regular refrigerator. Very easy to pull out. In general, some positive emotions. Only I don't have an ice maker, so I can't say anything about this. And by the way, it is absolutely silent, it keeps the temperature even in this heat - like a clock. TTT
Crystal
Maybe someone has already come across a PANASONIC NR-B651BR-S4 refrigerator, or in general with PANASONIC refrigerators? Or maybe where you have already come across reviews? Tell me please.
Aunt Besya
My dear friends, thanks to everyone who took part in the discussion !!!! This is so important to me!
The conclusions I made for myself are the following (maybe wrong, but you will correct me): any technique, including a refrigerator, is a lottery. Both well-known and unknown firms break down. Liebherr gathers in many countries, not only in Germany, probably the quality also depends on this. On the net, all sites indicate that the manufacturer is Germany, but I assume that this is not always the case. Liebcher's service in Russia is not debugged. But what is important, for me any service is not very relevant, because living in the deepest province and having bought any equipment in an online store with delivery, in any case, if it breaks down, I will not bother with a guarantee. This is simply unrealistic .. Most likely I will look for a master on the spot and repair it as soon as possible. Another question is that spare parts are a problem for some equipment, but not for some. I talked with a familiar refrigerator master, by the way, he didn’t recommend Liebher to me either, but for some reason recommended Toshiba, explaining that only Toshiba had a pipe in the back that was not made of such metal as everyone else had, and they were the only ones who do not allow any leakage. I didn’t understand anything, but I took note of it .. I’ll think ..
Lyulyok
Quote: Crystal

Maybe someone has already come across a PANASONIC NR-B651BR-S4 refrigerator, or in general with PANASONIC refrigerators? Or maybe where you have already come across reviews? Tell me please.

I have a Panasonic refrigerator, though a slightly different model.
I am very happy with it. Not so long ago I got it: he is only 2 years old.
I am tired of it efficiency, almost noiselessness.

Mine took a long time to choose a refrigerator two years ago, when our Italian favorite flew.
We wanted to buy a three-compartment refrigerator with a large separate lower compartment for vegetables and fruits.
It helps me a lot, because the temperature in it is slightly higher than in the main chamber. Therefore, I sometimes store the leaven in it.

But there is also a downside: the hot outer left wall.

Tanyusha
Aunt Besya, Toshiba, has been happy as an elephant for 2 years.
rusja
Quote: sazalexter

For everyone: the rating of manufacturers is true for washing machines, for refrigerators it will be about the same
Even without seeing this rating, with which I, in principle, completely agree, but simply having scoured the Internet and specialized refrigerator forums, I came to the conclusion that the average Samsung and Skis (LG) in the price range of 400-500 dollars are no better than domestic manufacturers. It makes sense only in more expensive models of 800-1000 bucks and beyond.Therefore, I quite deliberately chose a three-chamber OODA with a zero chamber in the middle. It is not in the form of boxes, but just a refrigerator compartment with two shelves (the top one can be removed) and is very happy with it. Two of my acquaintances also have Nords, but two-chambered ones purchased from 2 to 6 years old work fine.
In my life I had only 2 refrigerators - Saratov and Dnepr, bought in the late 80s. So the 30-year-old small Saratov is still alive, and the Dnieper from the time of cooperatives barely left alive for the scrap. So, any technique now is really a lottery, and whoever is lucky.
Aunt Besya
Nothing turns out the way you want. I liked the model, but in fact it is not available and when it will be unknown, even though it is displayed on the site ... Or there is, but there is no delivery (it is not clear why, but no ..)
I found this one in Petrozavodsk, the price without a few rubles is 40, the assembly is Spain, the Bosch service is in Petrozavodsk, which actually does not comfort much, since it is still 270 km, but still not St.
sazalexter
Aunt Besya Take this function without No Frost, this function is definitely not needed, once a year you still have to defrost the refrigerator, AirFreshFilter (carbon filter) will then be difficult to find on sale
I would take a closer look at Electrolux ERA 36633 W or Electrolux ERB 36233 W both assembly Hungary, or Electrolux ERB 39310 W, Electrolux ERZ 36700 W is already Sweden
Aunt Besya
sazalexter, thank you friend!!!! I looked ... all four do not fit me in size. I have a niche under the refrigerator in the kitchen furniture (it was made for a living one) strictly 185x60x60, that's where I dance
Two Swedes are two meters, and Hungarians are 64 each, I can't shove them in.
Well, how do I search for the search: first I limit the size, and only then I search among the rest with the functions I need .. so there was a miserable Bosch-Spaniard. It's just that now, well, it is not at all in the plans to change the kitchen furniture.
Elenka
Aunt Besya, I have such a Spaniard in metallic color has lived for 10 years. I am very happy with it!
Kalmykova
Aunt Besya ! I have Bosch, just a little higher, and not NOfrost, of course (I don't like it, and it's harmful). I don't remember the model, 2 compressor. Works like a clock for 5 years! The plastic inside is excellent, only the plastic border on the glass bottom shelf is cracked, but this does not interfere. I recently bought a freezer Combustion, so Bosch looks more solid.
Aunt Besya
Thank you girls! Kalmykov, and what is the harm? I know. what dries food more than with a conventional refrigeration system, and what else?
Elenka
By the way, a couple of shelves also cracked the outline, but I had so many of them in the kit that there are still spare ones. There are 4 shelves in the cell ... and how many I don’t remember, but there are still.
Kalmykova
I heard that in terms of harmfulness, no-frost is in 1st place, and the microwave is already in 4th. I did not understand specifically, and without this I try to minimize electrical appliances in the kitchen.
Zhivchik
Quote: sazalexter

I would take a closer look at Electrolux ERA 36633 W or Electrolux ERB 36233 W both assembly Hungary, or Electrolux ERB 39310 W, Electrolux ERZ 36700 W is already Sweden

My neighbor bought a refrigerator on the principle "the more expensive the better."
I bought Electrolux. True, I did not set out to find out the model.
After two weeks, he started to junk. As a result, the refrigerator was replaced with another one.
torturesru
Well, I have both Electrolux assemblies in Hungary, they have been plowing for a year already 3. pah-pah and without a hitch. Do not pay too much attention to the assembly, provided that it is not in Russia :) In the same Sweden, just like in Hungary, Turks and other guest workers are assembled. The main thing is that there is no domestic assembly, when products go only to the domestic market, there is simply no quality. Bosch in Chernogolovka has already become so famous. Be careful with Indesit / Ariston of our assembly, services are crammed with them. And so, judging by Western forums, the quality of household appliances in recent years has fallen sharply, there is a rapid change of models and people change things too often, in such a situation there is no point in doing very durable things.
Omela
And what I had today ... Horror ... Decent There are no words to describe all my emotions, only obscene ones. We arrived from the dacha (and why did I want to go today ??? !!!), and the stench at home is incredible !!!! There are black puddles near the refrigerator. I opened the refrigerator, and there .... everything was covered with mold, rotten fish floats in the freezer .. Moreover, the refrigerator is noisy, but does not freeze. I would even say warms up !!!! And then it began ... I will not describe everything in detail. The light show lasted 2 hours while my husband and I cleaned everything.Everything was accompanied by the wild scream of the child, who had completely lost the habit of the apartment in 2 months. There will be a second episode tomorrow. I will try to call the master. Hope it ends there. If not, the third episode is the scariest one - pull the old one out of the apartment, buy a new one and drag it into the kitchen!
Omela
Quote: prascovia

Is the refrigerator under warranty?

prascovia, Thank you! : flowers: No, no. He's already a hundred years old at lunchtime. Well, okay, not a hundred, but 10! As I can imagine that tomorrow from the niche where it is worth nominating it will be necessary - I want to die !!!! Everything is the same there stuffed packed!
IRR
Mistletoe, and what kind of refrigerator firm - I have a dilemma - to give my LV to my mother (she has a dead Dnieper of 1812), and to buy a new one for myself - I go shopping, I feel the torment of choice. My ski is No Frost, no need to defrost cool, but who has drip? How often should you defrost it? Right now aunt Besya I will be shocked into the refrigerators, but I read - they have some expensive discussion there, but I want to buy a refrigerator, not to put my teeth in the refrigerator on the shelf . Are there normal, budgetary firms? Or not? Today in the store they tried to shove me Atlant - (Belarusian. Plant on the basis of the former Minsk) did anyone come across? And Snaige (Baltic States)?
Scarecrow
Irka, I have Ariston plowing for 8 years already. And he does not buzz.
IRR
Quote: Scarecrow

Irka, I have Ariston plowing for 8 years already. And he does not buzz.
Natasha,. I am considering all the options (Aristons were also today. The assembly was a Russian-something strained, even more than China) Now I will keep in mind.
Rita
IRR,
Snayge worked for us for 18 years. Of these, 9 years in an apartment, and 9 in an unheated dacha. But he's noisy.
And Atlant's sister-in-law constantly broke down until everything was replaced there. Now it has also been working for more than 10 years without repairs.
IRR
Quote: Rita

IRR,
Snayge worked for us for 18 years. Of these, 9 years in an apartment, and 9 in an unheated dacha. But he's noisy.
Rita,! Noisy, right? This one is not buzzing. But maybe the new generation is not so noisy, in short, you need to turn it on in the store and listen. And who has drip defrosting? And if it is all - a drip system (with an evaporator in the back), then how does the freezer behave in this case - there * fur coat * does not freeze?
Suslya
I had a Snayga, they gave me a gift for a wedding, plowed for 10 years, now he works at the dacha, and in 2004 they bought Atlant, there were no complaints, a good refrigerator, a hard worker
fugaska
and we have ARDO for 10 years already - it has been working, t-t-t, like dad carlo, steadfastly enduring voltage drops but I have a blue dream - I want Whirlpool !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! )))))))))))))))))))
musyanya
fugaska, Whirlpool why? Torn by curiosity! It is terribly interesting when a person loves a certain model, manufacturer for something ... The very last year's Daewoo 415 works perfectly. I chose for economic reasons (relatively inexpensive), lack of smell and shelves for bottles inside the refrigerator (not needed).

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