$ vetLana
Quote: Ketrin0203
$ vetLana, yes the mode, that is, for the rye dough, but it was embarrassing that it was without a rising stage
If from 2 hours (this is how long the program for the Rye dough lasts) subtract the time for leveling and the kneading time (45-60 and 10), then it remains on the rise from 1h05 to 50 minutes. Or am I missing something
Mandraik Ludmila
Quote: Ketrin0203
mode, that is, for the rye dough, but it was embarrassing that it did not have a rising stage,
Catherine, as it is without lifting, there is both kneading and lifting, there is no kneading, but rye is not kneaded. Apparently you haven't figured it out yet Modes rye bread and dough, just for predominantly rye bread, very suitable
For example, I advise all newcomers to this, according to their favorite bread, on the rye mode:

Ketrin0203
$ vetLana, Mandraik Ludmila, by the way, yes, 2 hours duration, but for some reason there is a dash in the ascent column, apparently this confused me




MarinaDi, look just above I gave the link. Later I will add it to the recipes.
Anyutok
MarinaDi, hello fellow countrymen. Guessed where you are from, according to Khutor bread
MarinaDi
Quote: gala10
MarinaDi, congratulations on your purchase!
Thank you
Anyutok, And hello to you)) blurt out like this, and immediately calculate))))
caprice23
I haven't been here for a long time
Please tell me how to bake bread with rice porridge? Like where mamusi wrote this? Or am I confusing? Maybe someone baked, how much to add and how much to reduce water and flour?
mamusi
Quote: caprice23
Like where mamusi wrote this? Or I confuse
You are confusing, Natasha, I have never baked with rice porridge ...
Wit
caprice23
Quote: Wit
Galyusa baked such bread back in 2014.
Vit, thanks, made according to the recipe. In the morning I will bring what happened




Quote: mamusi
You are confusing, Natasha, I have never baked with rice porridge ...
Hmm ... And where did I get it from? Or maybe not with rice, but with some other?
mamusi
Natasha, that's where you go, to Nastyusha
Cafe "At Pani Sonya" # 5425
caprice23
mamusi, oh, exactly! And I think, where did I read it. Thank you!
Ekaterina L
Good evening, dear forum users.
Tell the inexperienced in this matter in choosing a stove .. eyes run between 2501, 2502, 2511, 2512, 2000.
Somehow I came to the conclusion that the presence of a low-yeast bread program will probably be useful, rye is definitely needed. I thought that I really needed a yeast dispenser at first, then I read it here, and it’s probably not necessary, or what? .. To Khrustina, too, a double attitude, someone likes the crust, someone does not. Completely confused
if you don't need a yeast dispenser and you need low-yeast bread, that's only 2511, right? please write your opinion about the need for these points, I will be very grateful.
Mandraik Ludmila
Ekaterina L, I have 2511, I'm happy with it. There is no yeast dispenser and I don't need it. In principle, from my own experience, I deduced that low-yeast bread can be made on the main one, but with a preliminary kneading of the "pelmeni" program for 5-7 minutes. So it's up to you. All panasiki are wonderful, but I would take it without a yeast dispenser
Ekaterina L
Quote: Mandraik Lyudmila
I have 2511, I'm happy with it.
Are there any disadvantages? 2511 from 2512 only differs in yeast dispenser? (which is sonorous, wakes everyone up at night)))




Quote: Mandraik Lyudmila
but with a preliminary kneading for 5-7 minutes of the program "dumplings"
I still have no stove, so while it's scary))) at first I will only poke ready-made programs, so in priority so that they are ready)) and in 2000 there is not even a dumpling dough
Mandraik Ludmila
Ekaterina L, from the minuses and the big Panasiks - PRICE! I did not notice other disadvantages
$ vetLana
Ekaterina LI like 2511.




I don't know minus or not, but for my recipes, an additive dispenser is practically unnecessary.
Wit
Quote: Ekaterina L
2511 from 2512 only differs in yeast dispenser? (which is sonorous, wakes everyone up at night)))

2512 is also wrapped in a sheet of stainless steel. Apparently to sell at a higher price. My opinion is that a yeast dispenser is stupid and a scam for money. Well at least they haven't sniffed the dispensers for water and flour either. That would be a continuous DISPENserization for an additional 5 ... 7 thousand rubles from above.
Mandraik Ludmila
Quote: $ vetLana
for my recipes, the additive dispenser is practically unnecessary.
I use it periodically, I like seeds in bread
Wit
Yeast Dispenser Talk, Buttercup)
mamusi
Catherine, I already have two 2501
I love them madly! My beauties!)
Panasonic is an excellent HP.
Even if you take 2500, you will not go wrong! This is the first HP in this line. (This I mean, suddenly it is cheaper))).
Well, well, I like 2511, but it was not there at that time, and I took the second 2501.
SvetaI
Ekaterina L, Panasiks are all good. Any of them will make excellent bread. Choose for price, purchase opportunity and appearance.
I used to choose between 2511 and 2512. But 2511 is white and does not fit my kitchen in any way, so I chose 2512 - metallic with black.
I use a yeast dispenser, I love it tenderly, it is very convenient. But if it were not for it, it would have cost. Low-yeast bread is a good program, I use it often, but again, if it is not possible to purchase a model with this program, do not be discouraged, you will manage without it perfectly.
So act like a deFochka - buy one of the available ones that you like more outwardly
Ekaterina L
Quote: SvetaI
buy one of the available ones that you like more externally
yes, there weren't any, but then both appeared and I was just confused))))

Quote: SvetaI
I use a yeast dispenser
Is the yeast dispenser really as loud as they say?
Anchic
Ekaterina L, he knocks 4 times so that the yeast spills out completely, a couple of minutes from the start of the kneading. During the day, I don't even always pay attention to him. At night I don’t know how much it will be heard, because I don’t bake bread at night. It's just that the yeast is small and easily electrified so that everyone gets enough sleep and this tapping is needed.
SvetaI
Quote: Ekaterina L
Is the yeast dispenser really as loud as they say?
I agree with Anna.
And about the volume - it's very individual. Yes, this is the loudest sound a bread maker makes, although it is actually very quiet. To some, it seems downright deafening, it doesn't bother me at all, day or night. Someone who sleeps lightly can be woken up if the x / n is in the same room where they sleep, or there is a door between these rooms and it is open (like mine). If there is an opportunity to close the kitchen door at night, I don't think there will be any problems even with night baking.
Irinap
I have 2510. At first I was very upset that there was no "rye" program. Now I do not pay attention to this at all.
$ vetLana
There are many things you can adapt to. It also depends on the nature of a person. Someone is interested and there is time to experiment, someone is to throw everything into the oven and get ready-made bread.
I am for the maximum capabilities of the stove. If there was a stove with a yeast dispenser that can be connected, disconnected, then I would like to have such a stove.
Ekaterina L
Quote: $ vetLana
If there was a stove with a yeast dispenser that can be connected, disconnected, then I would like to have such a stove.
That's for sure!! and all dispensers in general! it is necessary - set, do not - removed! there would be a song.
And what is yours?
NatalyaB
And if you take out the dispenser, how will the program work? In my 2501 it (for additives), in principle, is removed. You have to wash it. Wash, dry - and back. Run the program where it is needed, but without it I have no point. Doesn't knock when not asked.
And with yeast it will not work?
___
My first one was 255, it was bought what it was at that time. And the second 2501 was bought consciously. In it I do not use cooking jam and fruit in syrup, and I tried everything else, but, in general, I bake on 4 programs, basically, and 3 types of dough. And this does not mean that there are only 4 types of bread. Wow, how many can be combined.
Anchic
Quote: NatalyaB
And with yeast it will not work?
It is not removable. There is no special need to wash it, because, except for yeast, there will be nothing there. And dry yeast does not stain it. The additive dispenser cannot be compared to the yeast dispenser. For supplements will only work on programs that include these supplements. And for yeast it works on all programs that are for yeast bread / dough. That is, the exception is dumplings, jam and pastries. Maybe I forgot some more.
$ vetLana
Quote: Ekaterina L
And what is yours?
I have a deliberate choice of 2511, she is five years old. And I bought a used 2501 for the dacha, based on the price and supply, since there are practically no 2511 and are very expensive.
NatalyaB
Anchic, understandably. Will not work.
Mandraik Ludmila
In my 2511, I keep the additive dispenser on the table, insert it only on the programs with additives, and take it out after the trigger. Thalia said and still has someone, the latch broke from the temperatures and the dispenser no longer closes. There is a small plastic lever, it is the most fragile element in Panasica. I put a foil from the chocolate under the small lid to cover the hole from the dispenser, and my Panasik bakes beautifully! And I advise everyone to insert this dispenser just not special. programs. he lives next to my Panasik and there are spare blades in it - mixers lie so that they would not get lost
mamusi
Quote: Mandraik Lyudmila
put a foil from the chocolate under the small lid,
+1
She also did so, following Luda.
I keep it in the table separately.
In both Panasiks, food foil folded in four closes the hole. Everything is perfectly simple!
(this is the first time the latch broke)
Mandraik Ludmila
Ritochka is not only at your place, at our Temka about breakdowns, there are several people who broke down. There is a separate topic about 3D printing of these levers, but there are problems with payment and delivery to Russia from Europe.
mamusi
Quote: Mandraik Lyudmila
There is a separate topic about 3D printing of these levers, but there are problems with payment and delivery to Russia from Europe.
I know, Luda, about this topic, I wrote there.
But we were not going to order.
Delivery is expensive.
But people just recently ordered. And even someone two.

My husband and I decided we could do it.
Moreover, I have one dispenser: for two HP. Quite satisfied.
Mandraik Ludmila
Quote: mamusi
there is one dispenser: for two HP

Well, yes, there with the transfer there will be this golden stray
Moreover, now and here you can find such a seal by acquaintance. Many already have these printers. Here is the main drawing, which is put into the printing program.
Ekaterina L
Good evening everyone
can you redirect, maybe there is a topic with discussions which flour is better? this issue is addressed in many topics, but I do not see a separate one.
I apologize in advance if not here)
$ vetLana
Ekaterina L, in different regions flour from different manufacturers.
Now I bake with Finnish flour. I like. From domestic, I think, Makfa, Pudov. But I have not tried many, maybe. it is difficult to buy them from us.




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mamusi
The guys have always baked on Makfa. Love her.
From rye: Makfa and Miracle.
But now! After quarantine, something is wrong with flour.
Correct if I'm wrong. But in our area the flour has gone bad
Anchic
I have been using Ryazanochka lately (half a year or even more). I like.
Mandraik Ludmila
I switched to "peas", there was a clean Ryazanochka before, but now it costs about 100 rubles for 2 kg, and peas are made there, but it costs no more than 60 rubles. Rye and whole grain - Ryazanochka, there are no others in our villages. Wheat also appeared in. from. Selyanochka, I'm baking on it now, nothing special, flour is like flour, not worse than Ryazan, but not so expensive. There is also a pack of Uvelka, I have not tried it yet. I have stocks
Cirre
Quote: Mandraik Lyudmila
pack of Uvelki

I didn't like it on it, although the pastries on it turned out well.
Wit
I moved to Selyanochka. Adequate price and delicious bread.
Ekaterina L
Good evening.
I found Panasonic on sale, I found only 2512. father-in-law))
A question to the owners of the same unit, on the simplest main bread the yeast dispenser worked after the mixing, right on some already formed bun, is that right? After that, he continued, of course, kneading, probably everything will interfere there ... But it is suspicious. Does everyone have it?
Anchic
Ekaterina L, yes, and in previous models as well: first, the batch is small, then the dispenser works. Everything will be fine.
Yasna
Girls, good! Help with advice, please
I want to buy a bakery. I went through the forum and decided that it would be Panasonic. I looked into Temka about the brand new 2000 - not particularly impressed ... I decided that it would be one of the models from your theme.

I turned up here accidentally Panasonic 2510 at a very nice price. Now I'm thinking, everything about her is good, especially outwardly she likes it the most. But I would really like to try to bake rye bread (not purely rye, but in an alliance with wheat flour, of course), and there is no scapula for rye bread in this model.

The question is, does it make sense to buy a spatula for kneading rye bread? Do you need it?
And one more thing - I don't really want a dispenser, but I like to bake bread with seeds, etc. Is it possible to open the oven during operation to add additives? And how to figure out at what point it is right to do it?




Quote: Irinap

I have 2510. At first I was very upset that there was no "rye" program. Now I do not pay attention to this at all.
Irina, do you bake rye bread in it? Would you like to change yours for another model with a rye mode?
$ vetLana
Quote: Yasna
Is it possible to open the oven during operation to throw in additives
Need to.
Quote: Yasna
And how to figure out at what point it is right to do it?
By beep
mamusi
Quote: Yasna
rye bread scoops are not included in this model.
I often bake wheat-rye and even rye-wheat without this blade. Although I have it in 2501. You can bake.
I So I think.
Let the owners of 2510 actually respond.
But when I came here in 2015, people answered me that they bake sourdough breads at 2500 and with rye flour ...
Irinap
Yasna, no, I do not bake or bake pure rye. But there are no recipes for 100% rye bread in the instructions either. Baking 50 * 50, used a regular spatula.
Yasna
Girls, thank you very much for the answers! I realized.
And, thank you for this topic - at first I was scared when I read about “dancing with tambourines” in front of the stove, but the more I read, the more understanding comes.

For two years I have been baking bread by hand, it never even occurred to me that such a miracle could be purchased. I love experiments, and I really want such an assistant!

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