j @ ne
Ksyusha, I added flour and water to 100% moisture and left it warm overnight, it only bubbled, but did not grow, and only her strength is not enough for baking, you will need to add a little yeast.
fffuntic
Ksyusha,
1. On domestic videos in the internet, I see that they are fed in Italian and ours are 1: 0.5, however, manitoba is a very tough flour and this proportion should give a tighter dough. It suggests itself, well, although 1: 0.45 on a softer domestic one, on ours 1: 0.5 will give a softer manitobin dough, right? what do you think? I'm just guessing ...
2. Required very much !!! a tall narrow vessel, the diameter of the Levite in a ball is measured, and it is taken for fermentation not less than the diameter in width, so that it fits tightly and three times the diameter in height - this is what Andriano requires. That is, Andriano does not imply more than three times the rise. But we have our own realities. You need to be guided by them, can you take a vessel even higher?
Then it creeps up and even if it breaks at the top, you will still pull the normal one out of the middle, longer to the bottom, and everything will be thrown out from above.

For the refrigerator, Andriano suggests another vessel. The same narrow, but growth is laid only 2 times. But in the refrigerator they also swaddle her?
These are the requirements for Italian Levito.
Trishka
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Italian Levito.
Well, I don't have a true Levito!




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Required very much !!!
Duc, and shove it into a glass, barely fits.
fffuntic
well, make adjustments for your height, taking into account the fact that she still needs a narrow vessel too. The requirement for the diameter of the vessel is good for us too. But growth? that is, the height of the vessel should probably be taken even higher, every 5?
And consistency is also important. The thicker, the slower it will rise, less dancing around it. BUT .. everything around and on domestic flour is fed 1: 0.5. So I doubt it. It seems to me too soft, but I'm just clever, not at hand to make sure that the thought is correct
Trishka
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flour and water up to 100% moisture
Mlyn, even I'm dull!
If I have 135 grams of Levites, can I add flour and water? For 100% humidity then?





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every 5
We must look for a liter or something
j @ ne
Lena, these assumptions are correct, I now fed the next part of Levita Manitoba 1: 0.5: 1, it turned out to be a very tight ball and it was difficult to stir until smooth (I knead it with my fingers, and not with a rolling pin on the board), I feel sorry for throwing away the leftovers, I am for I prepared tomorrow's baked goods in the same proportions, but with domestic flour, the protein is indicated at 12, so the bun was much softer and slightly adhered until the gluten swelled.
fffuntic
Why are Ritusik and the girls silent? In practice, when did the growth begin? How do they manage, what vessels are taken? how are they fed?
Ksyusha, she shouldn't be torn all over from you. There must be good quality sourdough for feeding. Therefore, they take it from the middle. Therefore, either crumple, or feed, or shove into a very narrow vessel and let it grow, if it breaks, then from above, you will throw out the top, and feed the normal part from the middle closer to the bottom.
How much can ours grow? and figs I know. The girls have to say.
Is your temperature high? The lower, the calmer. Therefore, 18-22 and called to behave decently.
j @ ne
Ksyusha, here:
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I put the dough 70 sourdough, 140 water, 70 flour, stood warm for a couple of hours, then in the refrigerator, on the second day I added milk, eggs, flour, everything by sight .. She let it stand for a couple of hours and began to bake, it was a little thick, diluted with water ...
I made 1: 2: 1 according to this proportion and left it warm (I put the bowl in a bag).

Lena
, I still have nothing to answer, my still not a real sourdough, it is not a month old, it grows, but not aggressively.
Natasha * Chamomile
Girls, remember the video that Rita gave at the very beginning, according to which she raised? So, there the girl has a proportion of 100 yeast + 100 flour + 45 water. I do this, it turns out a hard ball.
Newbie
Quote: Trishka
And so yes, thick, rolled into a ball and cut into X.
and my horns stuck out, even if I was at the peak
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then how can I keep it warm, and then remove it in the cold?
I do this, I will hold it a little so that it gains strength, and in the cold, and sometimes it falls off in the refrigerator, you can't guess
fffuntic
everyone is silent. Looking here


with the fifth feeding, it implies a strong growth of the leaven. It changes the feeding and the amount of starter culture.
If before the fifth feeding she had 100LM: 100g flour: 45g water. The growth was no higher than 3 times.
Starting from the fifth, she leaves 30 g LM: 60 gmk: 30 g of water and is already baking.
It changes the amount and consistency
Well, with the amount it is clear to feed less often The more feed, the longer you can not feed.





How cold are you if you haven't been fed for 31 days? cold for LM only in a month !!! We do not descend below 18 degrees for 31 days.
Well, if you want to at least Russian, but Lm to grow))))
Trishka
Quote: Natasha * Chamomile
girls proportions of 100 yeast + 100 flour + 45 water. I do this, it turns out a hard ball.
So I do it on it!
Newbie
Quote: fffuntic
How cold are you if you haven't been fed for 31 days?
you go crazy to feed, on the ninth day I was exhausted

But if the girls grows by the standard, you have to endure, yeah

Well, we meant dough on the leftovers
Trishka
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How cold are you if you haven't been fed for 31 days? cold for LM only in a month !!! We do not descend below 18 degrees for 31 days.
Well, if you want to at least Russian, but Lm to grow))))





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From the fifth
So, starting from the fifth, she starts hiding her in the cold, no?




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If I have 135 grams of Levites, can I add flour and water? For 100% humidity then?
Again, help!
Newbie
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So, starting from the fifth, she starts hiding her in the cold, no?

n-e-e, with the fifth you can on the remains oven (well, we Russians are in a hurry)
Helen
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So, starting from the fifth, she starts hiding her in the cold, no?



Again, help!
Ksyusha, start homemade bread, add 1g of dry yeast ... I had 150g of LM, I added 50g of water, and you add 30g of water, you won't be mistaken ... and then 300g of water or whey, 400 flour ...
j @ ne
Quote: Trishka

If I have 135 grams of Levites, can I add flour and water? For 100% humidity then?
Ksyusha, 135 g Levito consists of 90 g of flour and 45 ml of water (50% moisture), adding another 45 ml of water, we get 100% moisture. If you feed with flour, then add the same amount of water, maintaining a 1: 1 balance.
Helen
Quote: j @ ne

Ksyusha, 135 g Levito consists of 90 g of flour and 45 ml of water (50% moisture), adding another 45 ml of water, we get 100% moisture. If you feed with flour, then add the same amount of water, maintaining a 1: 1 balance.
Not so ... I exhibited the formula .... Ksyusha, look at my photos ..




Here's another
Italian sourdough (Levito madre) - cultivation and care
And yes, according to this formula, you need to add 45g of water ...
djemma
My sourdough is 3 hours after the refrigerator.
Italian sourdough (Levito madre) - cultivation and care

Italian sourdough (Levito madre) - cultivation and care

Trishka
Girls need help !!!
Yesterday I put the dough on the leftovers for the night, during the night it rose almost four times. But, sour horror, where to throw it? The dough will also be sour, I wanted sweet buns ...
djemma
To be honest, I also don't know how to deal with sourness. Well, all around the Leviti Madre they say is not sour leaven. But all the same, my unsweetened pastries are not the same as with yeast, there is still some sour note. 4, even 3 times, I never went up. Yesterday, on the leftovers from the fridge, I also put the dough for the cheese pie. In the morning I kneaded and decorated, left to come, at 14 o'clock I will bake.
Italian sourdough (Levito madre) - cultivation and care
Newbie
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But sour horror, where to throw her? The dough will also be sour, I wanted sweet buns ...
I would muddy the black one,
and my dough is worse than that - it tastes bitter, I don't know what to do, throw it away only
Trishka
Svetlanaso why throw her out, she rip out her eye




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black one muddied,
Yes, there is also black, where no one but me eats it, I wanted a bulkaff ...




Quote: djemma

To be honest, I also don't know how to deal with sourness. Well, all around the Leviti Madre they say is not sour leaven. But all the same, my unsweetened pastries are not the same as with yeast, there is still some sour note. 4, even 3 times, I never went up. Yesterday, on the leftovers from the fridge, I also put the dough for the cheese pie. In the morning I kneaded and decorated, left to come, at 14 o'clock I will bake.
Italian sourdough (Levito madre) - cultivation and care
And about the sourness of the sourdough itself, I read somewhere that it needs to be fed a couple of times in a double volume of flour, or bathing saves, doesn't it?




The pie is pretty, we are waiting for the result and it would be nice to have a recipe with details, for "dummies" like me ...
Painting
Italians advise to bathe sour Levito in sweet water and only then put the feed on.
djemma
I bathed her, but I still taste a sour taste. There are no sweet pastries, but bread ...
Painting
When I baked Levito from a young one, then in sweet pastries the first day there was no sourness at all, and the next day it manifested itself and was very sensitive. Now I bypass this moment by the fact that after feeding it, I immediately swaddle it in film, then put it in a container and immediately in the refrigerator. The temperature there is +3 and even after a week of hunger strike it is barely sour. Now I have translated Italian Easter recipes, I will try to knead and bake.
But I feed her with flour with 14 protein according to the scheme 1: 0.5: 1. The gingerbread man turns out to be oak, I roll it out with a marble rolling pin quite thinly and roll it into a roll. I don’t cut with a cross any more. My Levito is already 4 years old.
Now I am rummaging through my notes, if necessary, I will post all the material that I collected when I was going to withdraw the leaven and which I used and still use. There is definitely no video, but there is a lot of text. If you are not too lazy to read, I'll post it.
Natasha * Chamomile
Quote: Painting
Now I am rummaging through my notes, if necessary, I will post all the material that I collected when I was going to withdraw the leaven and which I used and still use. There is definitely no video, but there is a lot of text. If you are not too lazy to read, I'll post it.
Paint it, Tom! It is necessary, of course! This is a real experience, not Italian, but Russian!
Anchic
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I feed her with protein flour 14
What kind of flour we have? Or is it Italian manitoba?
Painting
Anna, this is our organic flour. Shugurovskaya. Sometimes I use manitoba when you can buy it at a discount, but this is very rare.

And further. I used to nadybala step-by-step instructions on Bread Mills, it is with pictures, but through what resource to stick them here, I don't know. Photos and text there are not mine. I also used it and very successfully. If you tell me through what you can post pictures, I'll post it too. It is impossible to find on their website now.

All texts are here

Different methods of starting the leaven - Altri sistemi per iniziare la preparazione del lievito madre

The classic method of making sourdough in Italy consists of making a thick mixture of 2 parts flour and 1 part water, which is left to mature. The ripening period of the sourdough can be accelerated by adding honey, yogurt, raisins or ripe mashed fruits, which activate the fermentation process.

Francesco Favorito sourdough recipe:

Proportions for the beginning of the starter culture 50% moisture:
200g flour
50g ripe fruit puree
50g water

You can use carbonated mineral water, it contains CO2 - carbonic acid anhydride, which facilitates the activation of acidity. You can grow the starter in a closed container lined with a cloth or in water.

Growth process in water:
Prepare a mixture of flour, fruit puree and water, mix thoroughly and make a tight ball, place it in a container filled with water, containing at least four times the volume of liquid relative to the weight of the dough, with a water temperature of about 20 ° C. For example, for a sourdough weight of 300grh4 = take 1200g of water.
The volume of the container must be large enough to allow the dough to sink completely to the bottom and float up during fermentation. Leave the closed container at a temperature of 26-28 C degrees for approximately 48 hours.
During this period, the dough should rise to the surface, and if this does not happen within 48 hours, then you will have to repeat the operation, because this means that the bacteriological environment in the dough has not developed and the fermentation process has not begun.
The dough that has floated to the surface can be considered the initial leaven, which must be refreshed daily, kneading with flour and water.
Flour for refreshing the sourdough is taken strong, bread, in an amount equal to the weight of the leaven and water 48-50% of the weight of the leaven. You need to continue these refreshments-feeding daily, until the starter culture reaches maturity (this requires 20/25 days). How to check that the leaven is already ripe?
Ripe strong starter culture doubles in volume in 3-3.5 hours at a temperature of 22-24 С

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Recipe for the Leaven of the Sisters of Simili from the book "Pane and Roba Dolce"
200g flour
90 g of water
1 Art. l. honey
1 tsp olive oil for greasing dishes
Mix all the ingredients thoroughly, roll up a ball, cut with a cross and put in oiled glass or ceramic dishes.
Cover with a linen towel and a saucer on top, and leave in the kitchen for 48 hours.
If the process has begun and the leaven has come to life, then it will increase in volume, then we begin to feed it:
Take 100 g of sourdough and add
+100 gr flour
+ 45 g of water
We repeat the feeding process every day for 4-5 days.
Each time there will be 150 g of sourdough left, which can be used in baked goods with the addition of yeast. When the sourdough gains strength and stabilizes, it will be possible to bake bread from the leftovers after feeding without using yeast.
The Simili sisters have recipes adapted specifically for the use of leftover leaven, such as Pane Toscano.
And after 5 days, in order to make sure that the leaven is working, refresh it and leave it at a temperature of 24-26C, if its volume doubled in three hours, then the leaven is ready for baking and you can bake any bread.
Then you can feed the sourdough every other day and move it to a cooler place (12-16C).
The sourdough should have a pleasant fruity aroma, a delicate color of a normal dough, not whitish or grayish. This sourdough can be used for baking, with two pre-refreshments every 3 hours.

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Yogurt starter starter scheme:
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First step
500 g Manitoba flour * strong flour W320-350 P 12-14
140/150 gr water
100 g of natural yoghurt
Store the mixture at 20 ° C for 24 hours
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second phase
starter cultures gr 500
Manitoba 400 gr
150 grams of water
Store the mixture at 20 ° C for 16 hours
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third stage
starter cultures 500 gr
Manitoba 500 gr
220 grams of water
Store the mixture at 20 ° C for 12 hours
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fourth stage
starter cultures gr 500
Manitoba 500 gr
220 grams of water
Store the mixture at 20 ° C for 8 hours
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fifth stage
starter cultures gr 500
Manitoba 500 gr
220 grams of water
Store the mixture at 20 ° C for 6 hours
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sixth stage
starter cultures gr 500
Manitoba 500 gr
220 grams of water
Store the mixture at 20 ° C for 4 hours
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At the end of these six stages, the leaven is matured to the desired acidity and strength. The sourdough is now ready for use in baked goods and the next refreshments.
Levito Madre 50% moisture, it is a thick leaven, a hard dough ball. Levito Madre wrapped tightly in fabric and tightly knitted. You were probably surprised and asked the question: why swaddle the leaven? This is one of the traditional Italian methods of influencing the quality of the starter by creating anaerobic fermentation conditions. Another unusual way to influence the quality of the starter culture is water procedures. Before using it, it is customary to bathe Italian sourdough in warm sweetened water to remove excess accumulated acidity. And only after the baths the leaven is refreshed, the usual scheme is three refreshments, one after the other. Such are the local peculiarities of handling leaven.For the rest, beautiful ..
Levito Madre is the same sourdough as all other sourdoughs in the world - it is a symbiosis of yeast and lactic acid bacteria, natural yeast for baking. Local atmosphere, flour and water - only this makes each sourdough special, different from others. The combination of races and species of yeast and bacteria depends on these factors, which ultimately determines the character of the leaven.
Levito Madre is made from a mixture of water with wheat flour and additives in the form of ripe fruits, honey, yogurt, grapes, vinegar, wine, and so on and so forth. The list of additives is endless, but they are all introduced with one goal - to start and activate the spontaneous fermentation process.
But no matter how the sourdough is grown, it is always a composition of wild yeast and lactic acid bacteria. Wild yeast enter into an alliance with bacteria, get to know each other, look closely at each other. If things go well for them and they successfully take root, then fermentation begins, mutual love and reproduction - a symbiosis is created!
What wild yeast and lactic acid bacteria are found in starter cultures?
Yeast in starter cultures can belong to different genera, species and strains - Saccharomyces, Hansenula, Andida, Saccharomyces Exiguus, Saccharomyces cerevisiae.
Lactic acid bacteria and cocci found in starter cultures - Lactobacillus Plantarum, Lactobacillus
Brevis, Lactobacillus SanFrancisco and Leuconostoc, Pediococcus and Streptococc
The beginning of the leaven is a rather complicated process that requires patience, precision and accuracy, but this, as it turns out, is far from the most difficult, the main problems are still ahead.
According to the Italian method, regardless of the scheme by which the starter was grown, it is considered ready for use only after an incubation period of 10-25 days. A certain, sufficiently long period of time is needed for the natural selection of microorganisms and the stabilization of microflora in the leaven. The stability of the microflora of the starter culture is very important, because it gives confidence in working with it, the expected and predictable results.

Why is the Italian sourdough thick?
Because it is the thick consistency that contributes to the stability of the microflora.
Low hydration slows down the activity of microorganisms and allows you to maintain and maintain their stable balance, that is, the stability of the symbiosis of the microflora of the starter culture.
The main task in the administration of the starter culture is to maintain the balance between yeast and bacteria in it.
That is, the preservation of its enzymatic power and good organoleptic characteristics at the same time.
The quality of the starter culture depends on the ratio of the amount of lactic acid bacteria and yeast in it. This ratio in wheat leaven ranges from 10: 1 to 100: 1. The amount and activity of lactic acid bacteria determines the acidity of the starter culture, and yeast provides its lifting force.

Theoretical course by Iginio Massari and Giovanni Pina - Theoria a cura di Iginio Massari e Giovanni Pina

Sourdough or natural yeast is a mixture of water and flour, left to ripen spontaneously in a favorable environment for a period of time necessary for the microorganisms contained in flour, water and air to begin the process of reproduction and fermentation. In yeast taxonomy, the term "natural yeast" is used to refer to natural yeast populations that are related to cultivated races. Natural yeast is also called sourdough, mother or sour dough. The microflora present in the starter is mainly composed of the yeast Saccharomyces - various strains of Saccharomyces and Candida and lactic acid bacteria Lactobacillus of the Acidophilus, Brevis, Casei, Plantarum families, etc. These two types of microorganisms present in the starter act in constant symbiosis, maintaining a constant microbiosis. But, if necessary, this microflora can be changed, and this can be achieved by changing the initial raw material, its quantity and conditions of the fermentation process.

Raw material

Flour - to grow the sourdough it is recommended to use high-quality flour with a high gluten content.

Drinking water is not too rich in mineral salts, since they will delay the dough fermentation process. You can also use mineral water: carbon dioxide is, in fact, an important element in the transformation of sour dough.

Other Ingredients: Ripe fruit or yogurt can be added to speed up the microorganisms when starting the starter culture.
Temperature - In most yeast species, the minimum growth temperature is between 0-5 ° C, and the maximum is 30-40 ° C. Almost all yeast can grow at room temperature 20-25 ° C, which is optimal for the beginning of the fermentation.

How to check the quality of the starter culture?
For good results when baking bread and traditional Italian sourdough pastries, only perfectly healthy and mature sourdough should be used.
In the old days, experienced professionals, in order to understand when the sourdough has reached maturity, tasted it, tasted it, analyzed the smell, texture and color. Today, there is a scientific method to check the quality and readiness of the starter culture, using a pH meter. But nevertheless, it is still important to know the external characteristics of the starter, helping to determine its quality and readiness for work.
External characteristics of the starter culture at different stages of maturity:

Ripe leaven - ph 4-4.10,
light sour taste,
white and soft dough with elongated alveoli,
slight pleasant aroma of fermentation / alcoholic.

Overripe starter culture - pH 3-3.8,
sharp acid taste,
grayish tint of the dough,
round alveoli,
acrid alcoholic smell;

Too weak starter culture - pH 5-5.5,
the taste is sweet
White color,
on the cut, a dense dough without alveoli,
the aroma of flour;

Sour starter culture - pH below 3,
sharp vinegar taste,
the smell of cheese (typical for butyric acid),
dull gray dough,
wet and sticky dough.

It's time to start preparing for Easter baking.

Where to begin?

1-buy good quality strong flour -w350or w300.
In sufficient quantity, and this is 5 kg minimum!
If you plan to bake a sourdough recipe, then you need to start with her darling.
2- transfer the leaven to incubator conditions. This means feeding her the same flour and water. Store in the same place at a constant temperature of 10-12 C degrees.
How to feed the starter culture and prepare it for work?
Feed on schedule:
a) once a day,
b) at the same time,
c) in the same proportions.
Leave 100 g of sourdough after each feeding
And if the leaven is liquid? Not scary. You can gradually bring it to the desired state of hydration.
Whichever scheme you grow your sourdough, in 20 days you can make 65% -67% of it the traditional Italian Levito Madre-LM.
Let's say you have a sourdough of 100% hydration, that is, a mixture of 100 g flour + 100 g water, and you refresh it in the same proportion. What to do to make it 65%?
Take 20 g of your starter culture + 50 g of water, beat until foam. Mix with 100g of flour and remember this consistency of the dough. These 170 grams of starter culture is 65% hydration.
The next feeding should be done in the following proportion: 100 g of sourdough + 50 g of water + 100 g of flour. Or by reducing the dose: 50 grams of starter culture + 25 grams of water + 50 grams of flour. But keep in mind that the weight must be accurate, not eyeball. Mix carefully and patiently. Therefore, it is preferable to work with a weight of 100g, it is easier to weigh and knead.
It would be nice to prepare 2 containers for sourdough with tight lids. A tightly closed container will protect the starter culture from unwanted bacteria from the outside. These containers should be thoroughly washed only with running water and not used for other products. After aging, put the starter culture in a clean container.
What to do with the remaining 70 g of sourdough?
There are several options.
1-add to any yeast baked goods, taking into account the difference, that is, subtracting from the ingredients specified in the recipe: 45g flour + 25g water = 70g
2- Leave in a sealed container and use in recipes where old dough or pasta di riporto / pate 'fermente' is required. Since you will be refreshing your sourdough every day, there will be many more such pieces in a few days.
A week of daily refreshment-feeding of sourdough has passed and now is the time to take step 2 in the process of preparing for baking.
So, let's stabilize the acidity of our starter culture. We will arrange a pleasant bath for her, warm 25-32C, slightly sweetened with sugar.
A good sourdough, light and airy, cut or torn by hand into pieces and set free to float. After an hour, you can see how all the pieces have opened the pores and floated to the surface. Catch them, shake off excess water, squeeze, weigh and feed according to the scheme: leaven + flour in equal amounts + water 45-50% by weight of flour.

I took this on Veronika's page (in Russian) and elsewhere, I don't remember, translated from an Italian site.

Anchic
Volume, Thank you.
Trishka
Painting, Tomochka, of course we need it, we are interested in everything and need it!
Thank you !
Painting
I took Levito out three times. Once for myself and twice for girlfriends. All times it was displayed only in water, but according to the methods of different authors. Always successful. First I fed a month with flour such as manitoba (French, German, Italian). Then she fed the white-tender, and Stary Oskolskaya, and Lipetsk. I bought what was better. Then I switched to organic. Now I feed Shugurovskaya and Manitoba. Preparing it for Easter.
I don't know how to stick the technique with pictures. From here you can only upload your own photos, but I didn't take any pictures. I didn't think it was interesting to anyone.
About water. Mineral water is good, slightly carbonated. But even faintly sparks from our eyes pour out from ours. I took the Lipetsk carbonated pump room and released these carbonated bubbles, when the soda is weak, then the very thing to start the leaven.
Smell of leaven in the first days (and especially when it comes up) eeeeeeeeeeee ..... As the grandchildren said: “Bah, Motya (the dog) got poisoned and vomited it out?” But if you hide it from your home noses, they won't smell it.
Anchic
Volume, you can insert pictures through third-party photo hosting. Type
Painting
AnnaI'll try it in the evening, thanks.
djemma
Here's my pie or loaf, whatever you like.
Italian sourdough (Levito madre) - cultivation and care

Italian sourdough (Levito madre) - cultivation and care

Italian sourdough (Levito madre) - cultivation and care



I am very pleased with the result, does not sour.

Last night I refreshed Levito-70 gr, 35 water and 70 flour (10.6 protein content).
This morning in a bread maker I kneaded the dough, all the dough, 2 eggs, 250 g of milk, 2 tbsp. l sunflower oil, 1 tbsp. l sugar, 1 tsp salt, 500 g flour (with the same protein content). After the end of the kneading, I turned off the bread maker and left it for 1 hour. Then she divided the dough into three, made three cakes, layered with butter and sprinkled with cheese. I cut it into 8 and rolled it up. Left to fit in shape for 8 hours. Greased with an egg, sprinkled with sesame seeds and baked with convection for 45 minutes, 180 gr. The video shows the structure and how creepy it is, just class!
Painting
Fuf. I dug up a link. Catch. According to her, everything should definitely work out with a bang!

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Svetlana, baking is just a sight for sore eyes! Why is the proofing so long before baking?
Trishka
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I am very pleased with the result,
Wonderful pastries, I'll take a bite!




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Last night I refreshed Levito-70 gr, 35 water and 70 flour (10.6 protein content).
Tell me, where did you keep it refreshed, warm or in the refrigerator?
djemma
Long, because it does not rise earlier, 20 grams in the room. I look to get up twice, and these happened in 8 hours.

And she kept the leaven under the same conditions all night. As I showed you yesterday after the refrigerator, I took 50 grams, fed it and put it back in the refrigerator an hour and a half later. I refreshed the remaining 70 grams and kneaded the dough at 6.30 in the morning. Now it has cooled down again in the room at 19-21 gr.
Trishka
So warm!
Bozhedarka
Friends who are only breeding leaven.
I read that in no case should you use the leftovers at the dilution stage. The sourdough is still forming and the remains are full of pathogenic flora, this can result in not very good health consequences.When I just removed the leaven and put the pancakes on the leftovers, I threw out both the dough and what I had baked, as it was very sour.

About the acid in the finished bread.
Again, there is an article on the bread mills website that the sourdough after the refrigerator should not be heated to room temperature, but immediately knead the dough. Thus, we feed the awakened yeast and do not expect a strong increase in lactic acid bacteria. Although I keep the sourdough for a couple of hours after the refrigerator and my bread does not sour, I will use this method and knead it after the refrigerator.

Do not add a lot of ready-made sourdough that was in the refrigerator, it is better to overfeed twice before baking. For example, take 25 grams of starter culture, add 12 grams of water and 25 flour, as soon as it rises, feed it again: all the starter culture is 60 grams + 30 grams of water and 60 grams of flour. Has risen and you can knead the dough. With such fractional feeding, the dough does not sour. Naturally, the proportions are approximate, calculate based on the recipe.
This method is also good when using wheat sourdough, only 5 grams of sourdough is added there, they promise that the dough will not be sour either. Although I did not taste wheat, I took it out and threw it away after a few sour buns.

About swaddling in the refrigerator, I have a good, though little experience.
You can not feed a mature sourdough for a long time, I did not feed it for 10 days and it remains non-acidic. If you can, keep the jars on the table and feed every day, this will only be a plus for the sourdough, but I so happened that I threw her poor girl in the refrigerator and was able to get to her only after 10 days. The leaven did not disappoint me, it does not sour. It swelled, but didn't break through a couple of meters of film and a towel. Now I feed it up to 400 grams, hold it for a couple of hours so that the bacteria spread through the dough and wrap it well with cling film, then with a towel or napkin and fix it with rubber bands. I cut off 100 grams as needed, feed and use.
Of course, as soon as I become more free, I will keep the jar on the table and feed it every day.




djemma, Sveta, what a delicious cake !!!




Painting, Tom, thanks for the lyrics !!!!
Trishka
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residues at the dilution stage
Nastya, how to determine then what can be already baked?
Wake up time or what?
Natasha * Chamomile
Paint, Tom , thanks for your information.
djemma, Sveta, wonderful cake! Yes, even puff
Bozhedarka, Nastya, and thanks to you for the science! It turns out that you can add sourdough to baked goods only when it is completely ready, and before that, ruthlessly throw out all the leftovers.
Newbie
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When I just removed the leaven and put the pancakes on the leftovers, I threw out both the dough and what I had baked, as it was very sour.

I also put on pancakes on the 3rd day, painfully I liked the smell of the green apple, the dough was sour, but there were no pancakes, if only a little in the aftertaste
but I think, really, there is no need to rush, while there are a lot of all kinds of byaks.

But my leaven tastes bitter, do you think it is worth using it, is there anything wrong with it?





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and before that, ruthlessly throw out all the leftovers.

but I'm sorry, I've already spent a pack of flour on her
Natasha * Chamomile
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I'm sorry, I've already spent a packet of flour on her
Well, yes, it’s a pity ... But it’s better to throw it away than any kaku, we have enough of it everywhere.
Newbie
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Well, yes, it’s a pity ... But it’s better to throw it away than any kaku, we have enough of it everywhere.

well, I don’t know what kind of cocoa survives at high temperatures
Natasha * Chamomile
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well, I don’t know what kind of cocoa survives at high temperatures
Probably something survives. So would not be warned that it cannot be used. Sveta, is she not ready yet, does she raise the dough? You, like the first one, are you raising it? This is with Ksyusha already on the third or even fourth.
Anchic
Newbie, something survives uniquely. Otherwise, sourdough bread after baking would not begin to sour for 2-3 days. It means that some lactic acid bacteria survived there and continue to secrete acid.
Newbie
Quote: Natasha * Chamomile
Sveta, is she not ready yet, does she raise the dough?
no, I only make dough on the leftovers after feeding and use it in bread + prom. yeast (slightly less than normal). I will gradually prom. reduce yeast to zero, I'll see how and what

and the structure of the bread with dough is a little different, but I don't know how to taste, nothing special so that "ah, wah"




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Otherwise, sourdough bread after baking would not begin to sour for 2-3 days.
oh-oh-oh, it's sad, my bread is designed for a week of maturation
Trishka
Girls who already have Levita ready, but how to store the leftovers after feeding, if, for example, I'm not going to bake today - tomorrow, but it's a pity to throw it away?
So I took it there 50 grams, for example, fed it and set it to ripen further, but where is the rest? Provided that it is already more or less normal, not quite "wild"!
Collect in a separate container and cold?





And again ...
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Nastya, how to determine then what can be already baked?
Rise time or what?



So, peace and quiet, everyone went underground ...
And I, could not resist, and still baked cinnabonchiks for Levit, help yourself!
The first pancake is lumpy, but not quite ...
The taste is slightly sour in the dough, but I still did not fully understand whether it was from the pouring, or from the dough, or from everything together ... but I liked the taste, I mixed three pieces ...
I'll see tomorrow how it tastes in acidity.
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Ksyusha, class! and what, without yeast at all?

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