Fermenter Oursson FE0205D / GA

[Lilida]

Lilida, I didn’t, and yeast in our village is not sold anywhere ...
And the effect of losing weight, it seems to me, is not sick than a marketing move. You can lose weight by eating any natural yoghurts without unnecessary additives, if you don't eat anything else but them)

[Venera007]

Venera007, but I would like to. There, the scheme for taking yogurt is 3 times a day before meals and 1 snack with this yogurt. Well, what is written, you can only check on yourself, since you cannot believe the reviews. What if someone has a positive result from consuming this yogurt.

[Florichka]

Tanyulya made kefir, there is a separate recipe.

There, on sourdough, which, apart from Tanyulia, has never been seen before)
Florichka, Yeah thanks.
Then I will be guided by the time.

[Ninelle]

Lilida,

Ninelle, I report on Slimyogurt (Italy), after the fermenter there was quite liquid yogurt, a can of 2 liters was in the refrigerator all day. In the evening I took a sample, very tasty, delicate creamy drinking yogurt, smooth structure of yogurt. You can take the sourdough))) Moreover, as the manufacturer writes, this is exactly the yogurt that promotes weight loss.

[my star]

my star, thank you, I probably missed it.

It is written that by consuming such yogurt, you can lose weight.

I'll get into the conversation. In modern medicine, there is the concept of microbiota, this is a community of your personally microorganisms that live on your mucous membranes. The composition is very individual, subject to the influence of the environment, stress, the influence of the internal environment, etc., etc. Work is underway, according to which an interesting pattern has been revealed. If a person lacks or has reduced some varieties of bifidobacteria (and now perhaps the same will soon be established about acidobacteria (meaning specific strains!), Etc., this leads to disruption of the metabolism of adipose tissue, and subsequently to obesity. the corresponding strains of bifidobacteria, patients began to return to their normal weight. Only need to take into account that there are a lot of reasons for obesity, this is apparently only a group of people whose excess weight is caused exclusively by the deficiency of the corresponding strains of bacteria. that the composition of microbots affects human behavior, the work of his brain, I even have a book on this at home, so you should not be completely skeptical about the words about yoghurt and weight loss.
It should be borne in mind that our microbiota composition is very different. Alien strains (from the same yogurt) of bacteria in transit pass through our intestines and it is not a fact that they will take root. In the overwhelming majority of cases, they leave us in 1.5-2 days. Nevertheless, there are phenomena of antagonism, when even an alien, but friendly microflora still helps us to evict evil aliens (pathogenic bacteria) or allows us to control excessive reproduction of certain strains of beneficial and opportunistic microorganisms. In addition, fermented milk products are rich in the components of the vital activity of beneficial bacteria, which also in themselves contribute to the creation of a favorable pH, generally a favorable environment for the life of our own microflora, which for various reasons may be in a depressed state. Considering the above, I can say one thing: the healing effect can be observed with the regular (!!) use of such products, and at a dose of at least 200-250 ml per day per adult. Who wants more, eat for health. If you eat yogurt every three days, the effect will be barely noticeable.For those who have decided to improve their health after an illness, a daily intake for at least 14 days is especially important. And the last thing. There will be very little benefit if a person has a latent intolerance to the protein in cow's milk - casein. And if there is lactase deficiency. Moreover, lactase deficiency can be the result of a previous infection (both viral and bacterial), and in such cases, yogurt will not correct, but cripple. Yes, it already has less lactose (milk sugar) than whole milk, but that's enough to aggravate the condition. Fortunately, after infections, lactase deficiency does not continue indefinitely, and sometimes the synthesis of the enzyme is normalized within 14-21 days. This deficiency can be traced by some signs. If a person, after taking yogurt, after a couple of hours begins to blow his stomach, begins to seethe, and if stool thinning appears, this is most likely a deficiency of the enzyme lactase. If a person who has recovered from infections tolerates yogurt well, most likely the enzymatic function has not been affected in this case, and he can improve his health by daily intake of yoghurt, etc.
Search the Internet for the names of specific strains that are reduced in overweight people and compare with the composition of a particular starter culture. If you don’t find it, I’ll try to find in my papers the name of a particular strain, I didn’t remember the name, because this problem was not relevant for me and my family.

You can lose weight by eating any natural yoghurt without unnecessary additives, if you don't eat anything else besides them

I did not set a goal to lose weight, just when I began to prepare yoghurts in vivo, my weakened body began to require only yogurt (I have no immunity, I ate several courses of antibiotics during the winter, which do not help at all) If I have yogurt available and in large quantities, then I don't eat anything else, I just don't want to, I only eat it ..
So, imperceptibly, three kilos went somewhere, although there are a lot of calories, I make 6% of milk.

[musyanya]

musyanya, Luda, I'm in shock, can I write about these strains, very curious. Maybe by_{getting smarter}losing weight, and will not have to sit on diets?

[vernisag]

vernisag, Irina, your body itself suggested what it needed, because I was leaning on yoghurts ... I had a similar lack of calcium after childbirth, so I destroyed cottage cheese, kefir and cheese in kilograms. The only pity is that then I had no idea to cook dairy products myself. Well, at least now I've come to my senses :) better late than never.

your body itself suggested what it needed

Of course, at first, I ate apples a kilo a day, if there is no apple, I was already breaking like a drug, it turned out that hemoglobin had fallen badly and the body required iron. Against this background, immunity fell.
There is a plate in vivo yoghurts, in a box with bubbles, it says what kind of problems it is, what is better to take, so I also want to buy symbilact, vitalact and acidolact we can at the same time get rid of allergies

Moreover, I found the yogurt maker not overheating

Tell me what is the name?

Girls, all a big THANK YOU for the detailed explanations. They brought me a box with 5 packets of Slim Yogurt. But since the fermenter is busy with cherry kvass for another 6 hours, I put it in a Tupper's thermo-preserver. Before, I sometimes cooked yogurt in it. I'll see what happens. Although it would have to be delivered at Shtebe.

Lena Tim wrote, put 200 ml of Milava's kefir on 2 liters of milk. Rather, in a 2-liter jar of Orsik.

Girls, I came to confess ...
As soon as I hinted about Milava and Prostokvashino, I immediately stopped producing kefir, already twice liquid kefir water. And my mother got such a little water from Prostokvashino. Chezanafiiik ?! I thought that both give an absolute result, because I did it repeatedly. But it turns out nothing like that!
Sorry for misinformation! I wanted the best ...
And now I myself do not understand what is happening ...

Tell me what is the name?

answered in L. from.

[Elena Tim]

Elena Tim, Lena, I know that Prostokvashino has kefir of different composition. I myself once got my shot. There was always tasty kefir, and a year ago I got caught so that it was impossible to drink. You read carefully the composition on the packaging and look at the markings on the lid. I haven’t bought it for a long time, so I will not orientate it by specific letters.

I, too, here somehow bought sour cream, our local one, I fermented her milk, this garbage turned out, horror (I fed the cat, she liked it)
And before that I bought and made sour cream, fermented the cream with the same sour cream, everything was fine

Yes, I read the same thing on the packages of kefir House in the village. They do not hide the fact that under different letters there is different kefir. There, it seems, should be the letter A, then kefir is made from natural milk, but if there is another letter (I don't remember which one), then this kefir contains milk powder.
But I didn't even think about Prostokvashino ...
As for Milava, then there is finally something incomprehensible: I didn’t take from different bottles, but from the same one - that’s the mystery!

And tell me, who takes what milk for yogurt? I always tried to take a short shelf life, from 7 to 14 days, most of all I like yogurt, which is obtained from Brest Litovskiy 3,6% of milk. But is it possible to take milk in packages that are stored for six months, such as a House in the Village, Lianozovskoye, etc., will it make yogurt?

[Elena Tim]

Elena Tim, well, you will also know about Prostokvashino taperich. And Milava could be spoiled? Or maybe milk kefir didn't like it?

Yes, I read the same thing on the packages of kefir House in the village. They do not hide the fact that under different letters there is different kefir. There, it seems, should be the letter A, then kefir is made from natural milk, but if there is another letter (I don't remember which one), then this kefir contains milk powder.
But I didn't even think about Prostokvashino ...
As for Milava, then finally there is something incomprehensible: I didn’t take from different bottles, but from the same one - that’s the mystery!

Did you take the same milk?
Still, it seems to me that the initial temperature when adding the starter culture plays a role.

[Elena Tim]

Elena Tim, and you kefir on what mode do you make and how much time? I'll try to cheat too. If I don't drink kefir, I'll push it for pancakes. Mine just adore them.

Tan, well, I use the White City, it is also a long time, I'll see what ... Yes, there finally can be from 11.01 to 11.08! That is, it turns out seven months. So the yogurt is very wonderful, at least based on the Vivo-yogurt leaven, well, or on sour cream from this leaven.

[Venera007]

Venera007, oh, while I was scribbling one answer, you have already asked another question.
Milk at room temperature + kefir - also not cold. The fermenter usually stands for 1 program 5, maximum 6 hours. I make two liters. How in time it will turn out in a liter jar - I don't know.

[Elena Tim]

Elena Tim, Thank you. In the evening I'll fill up with milk and kefir, and I'll put it on)) hee-hee, they don't eat my sour milk, fussy, damn it, the whole refrigerator is full, I’m the current and cracking, yoghurts and sour cream, now I’ll make kefir, they’ll kick me out of the kitchen
And although not, most likely they will trample, after I make kvass, which no one drinks. Not long left for me

[vernisag]

vernisag, Irish, and I really like the sour cream on Vivo. At first, I fermented with sour cream, but after receiving the ferments, I switched only to them.

[Anna]

Anna, I now also ferment sour cream vivo, then ferment yogurt, like
I haven't found the sour cream sourdough yet, but I don't think it's necessary either

Girls, did anyone try "simbilact" and "acidolact"?

can I write about these strains, very curious. Maybe I'll grow smarter and won't have to sit on diets?

People with norms. body weight was reliably high level of bifidobacteria, bacteroids, decreased - enterobacteria, staphylococcus, and Escherichia coli.
Obese people have an increased number of clostridia (they just affect brain function negatively if there are many of them), bacteroids and staphylococci.

The most beneficial bacteria are: Bifidobacterium longum + Lactobacillus rhamnosus + Lactobacillus casei + Lactobacillus acidophilus + Lactobacillus reuteri.

In general, 32 species of bifidobacteria have been partially studied, 56 species of lactobacilli, the rest have not been studied, there are a huge number of them !!
Breastfed babies have bifidobacterium Bifidobacterium bifidum, and even more Bifidobacterium breve, Bifidobacterium infantis, these strains break down lactose in human milk. The kids have a claim. feeding is dominated by Bifidobacterium longum, followed by Bifidobacterium infantis, Bifidobacterium breve. In older children, children's strains of bifidobacteria are superseded by the species Bifidobacterium longum.
Bifidobacterium adolescentis is inherent in adults and older children and becomes completely predominant in older people.
Based on this, we can choose starter cultures for ourselves for children and for the older age group (grandparents).
And another important point.
I would like the composition to exactly match what the manufacturer wrote on the packaging. Otherwise, we dream that we have everything, and there, instead of a few, 1-2 strains of bacteria.
And then there is one more trick. Not all strains readily multiply in milk. Some require special nutrient media .. So the question of the usefulness of yoghurt should be approached very soberly and not harbor unnecessary illusions.

I can give those especially suffering to read my essay on the topic "Human nutrition and microbiota: impact on health and intelligence." from 2014.
Well, in practice, in my patients, in adults, acidophilic bacteria predominate. With dysbiosis, candida and staphylococcus grow in the intestines, as well as clostridia, sometimes proteus, acidophilic bacteria and bifidobacteria are inhibited. The more severely an adult is ill, the stronger his deficiency of bifidobacteria and only then acidic strains. Therefore, it is necessary to feed an adult seriously ill person first with bifidobacteria, and then with acidobacteria. In children with dysbiosis, the content of bifidoflora often falls, therefore, bifidobacteria are more often suitable for them and they do not always need acidobacteria additionally.

[vernisag]

Sour cream sourdough

vernisag, Ira, I ordered here: http: *** // ru. (no stars)

[Ludmila]

Ludmila, Tell me, are you a biomedical scientist?

[Aygul]

Aygul, thanks Learn Temka

If anyone is interested, I made yogurt from Slim Yogur sourdough culture. Serum is, with sourness. Put it in the refrigerator, let it ripen. Take off before bed, instead of kefir.

So, I'm not just a reader of this topic. I am a user of the red-haired Orsik. I bought Prostokvashino milk and yoghurt Activation thermostatic and natural activia. I sit, thinking with what to start my experiments. In the recipe from the book to Orsik, they suggest putting 100 grams of sugar. The husband nods, hinting that the yogurt must be sweet. But it seems to me that this is a lot ...

[Katerina]

Katerina, better done without sugar. And everyone will add as much as he wants and how much he loves. But you will have a good sourdough later, your own.
And the yoghurt without sugar turns out to be sooo tasty in the bear

[Ekaterina2]

Ekaterina2, and put 2/3 of the norm and a little -1 tsp. vanilla sugar.

[Lilida]

Lilida, I wanted to cut sugar - two inspectors stood next to me when the sugar was weighed! And they ordered the packet of vanilla sugar not to squeeze, pour out the whole
So, I put 750 ml of milk with 150 gr. for 8 hours. In the morning I will put it in the refrigerator and go to work. I will report in the evening.

[GruSha]

GruSha, without sugar .... almost a riot started .... Next time I'll put it quietly, without sugar

And the yoghurt without sugar turns out to be sooo tasty in the bear

I confirm and support !!! From the habit that took place in our family to add a pinch of muscovado with cinnamon / a spoonful of honey / a handful of berries or fruit slices to the yogurt / kefir with the appearance of a son, there was no trace left))) Sa-mo-dos-ta-to-chen - unanimous verdict) Moreover, if before, on the obligatory spoonful of sour cream at breakfast, the child had to depict expressive brown eyes with chocolate sauce, then in the last few days the new-found delicacy disappears before the sleepy mother's hand fumbles a bottle of Hershey`s in the wilds of utensils)))

I bought oranges for wine. Decrease at the speed of sound. They won't live to see wine, I guarantee))).

[my star]

my star,

Well, that's nice, honestly. Hershis is not the most charming food in the world))).

Write from ipad - adddd ...

[Katerina]

Katerina, well, of course do it, and make sure that it's already delicious :)

Nata, my wine also ran out quickly))) BUT squeeze juice from 3 kg of oranges there are no more willing

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, wait for me! I also have oranges, especially for wine! I'll put it on tomorrow!

Finally, my husband appreciated the fermenter! All day he drinks only kvass and asks, can he buy the same for 4 liters? I explain that only for two liters, because the girls on the forum take 2 pieces in one hand

[Ekaterina2]

Ekaterina2, they are cruel to you, ungrateful. You feed them deliciously, and they ... they have.

[MarinaK]

MarinaK, a good point, I hope he got the hint ...

[Nata,]

Nata, Thank you for your support, you are right) I had to make certain concessions) The worm of awareness of the unhelpfulness of some favorite food by children is gnawing, I believe, more than one mother's conscience))) With the purchase of a fermenter, the problem has disappeared)

[Lydia]

Lydia, understood the hint immediately, but pretended not

[Lilida]

Lilida, no, they are good. They spoil me regularly. I should have been smarter: not to ask, and that's all. As I always do And then something pulled me to democracy Just my husband was not at home for a month, so something relaxed

[MarinaK]

MarinaK, you need to provoke him with something. Put something on for a little longer, and the yogurt at home is over, and there is nothing to cook with ...

I wanted to cut the sugar - two inspectors stood next to me when the sugar was weighed! And they ordered the packet of vanilla sugar not to squeeze, pour out the whole

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! What a beauty!
I wanted to heal, they did not give it!