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Fermented tea made from leaves of garden and wild plants (master class) (page 17)

Burunduk
Rada-dmsrather than trying to play around with the different fermentation times of the sloe? I wonder how this will affect the result. My next batch will try to start drying in 4 hours.
Rada-dms
Burunduk, it seems to me that those who actively use herbs and begin to engage in them should definitely know the contraindications, because herbs and plants are very active!
And to begin with, know at least how this or that herb affects the acidity of the stomach, then the blood clotting and what is the reaction in the body, acidic or alkaline.
Again, you cannot drive herbal teas in liters, like, in fact, ordinary ordinary tea and coffee.
What we are doing now at home, having seized upon a truly delicious tea!
Rada-dms
Burunduk, I don't have a meat grinder here, and without it, it seems to me, the fermentation is shallow. And I do it in small batches, because at the dacha I dry land in micro on convection on a round dish on two floors :) True, it has a charcoal shade and good uniform heating.
The thorn is also all sticky - it's a whitefly! Barely collected from the tops.
Surprisingly, I drink so much and do not swell !!!
Rada-dms
Omela, even lemon balm is not allowed and in general all herbs that enhance gastric motility
Burunduk
About garden strawberries:

"Strawberry has astringent, hemostatic, anti-inflammatory, choleretic, diaphoretic, anthelmintic, antimicrobial, expectorant, emollient, sedative, antipyretic, blood-purifying, antispasmodic, antithyroid, wound healing, hepatic and anti-sclerotic action in the body. regulates metabolism, improves heart function and blood composition.
Bulgarian authors believe that the effectiveness of wild strawberries and large-fruited (garden strawberries) is the same. ... Other authors point out that the therapeutic effect of garden strawberry leaves is somewhat weaker ...
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In everyday life, strawberry leaves are used as a surrogate for tea. To do this, the leaves are fermented - moistened, stacked and put in a cool oven to languish. These leaves are then dried and brewed like tea ...
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... Strawberries are contraindicated in pregnancy, increased secretion of gastric juice, prolonged hepatic colic and appendicitis "

True, contraindications are more likely to be berries.
Source - "Medicinal Plants of Donbass", A. Ya. Gubergrits, N. I. Solomchenko
Burunduk
Quote: Rada-dms
it seems to me that anyone who actively uses herbs and begins to engage in them should definitely know contraindications, because herbs and plants are very active
Agree!
Tomorrow I will announce the title of the book - there the authors give contraindications to the use of the most popular plants. They (the authors) just regret that they write a lot about the benefits of the plant, but nothing or little about contraindications. And the same St. John's wort, as far as I remember, has a lot of them.
Rada-dms
Burunduk, St. John's wort only in courses and then, if the liver is healthy, but do the red oil quickly, while it blooms, this oil with unique properties has been tested for years !!!
Burunduk
Quote: Rada-dms
make red oil quickly
Is red oil an oil extract from St. John's wort?
Rada-dms
Burunduk, yes, preferably in olive oil, although it is possible for specials. goals and on linseed to do! Read it on the internet, I'll probably do it later and tell you how I use it in a separate topic.
vvagre
Again at Summer Residents I came across an article on our topic https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/s-image/2464/MarinaGerasimenko/chay-iz-trav---polezno-i-vkusno-5766.html
And I twist and cut, cut and dry ...
Girls, did anyone use the rosehip?
Omela
Quote: Rada-dms
dry in micro on convection
Why don't you dry it in the dryer?

Quote: vvagre
Has anyone used a rosehip?
Here's a specialist came to ask. I want to dial today.
Loksa
I grill.
And we have already written here that during fermentation, the medicinal properties of plants are lost.

Rosehip was made by someone after the freezer, he behaved badly there when twisting
lappl1
Quote: Rada-dms
Burunduk, it seems to me that anyone who actively uses herbs and begins to engage in them should definitely know the contraindications, because herbs and plants are very active! And to begin with, to know at least how this or that herb affects the acidity of the stomach, then the blood clotting and what is the reaction in the body, acidic or alkaline. Again, you cannot drive herbal teas in liters, like, in fact, ordinary usual tea and coffee.
Herbal tea and fermented tea are two big differences, as they say in Odessa. We prepare herbal tea from fresh or dried leaves or herbs. A fermented tea is obtained by oxidation-fermentation of the leaves... During fermentation leaf properties change - some useful properties of the plants themselves remain (micro and macro elements, for example). Some are shrinking or lost (vitamins). Still others - are modified during fermentation (bitterness leaves or a new taste and aroma appears).
Girls, I understand that you have not read all the pages of the topic. Therefore, I am placing here quotes from the posts of our paramed1-Veronica, by specialty pharmacist... She answers us professionally about the dangers or benefits of fermented tea from the leaves of different plants. She gets in touch once a week. Will appear, I think, will answer you in more detail. Here is what Veronica writes on the same occasion:
Quote: paramed1
I got (for a couple of days) to Moscow and a normal Internet, otherwise the connection is barely breathing at the dacha. There is an opportunity to provide some clarifications during the discussion.
The topics periodically raise questions about herbs and leaves as representatives of medicinal raw materials. Girls if you want to prepare something for medicinal purposes, then it is better to do it as recommended by herbalists-pharmacognosts, i.e. dry at certain temperatures, which are different for different types of medicinal raw materials. If you ferment, you will get delicious tea, but it is TEA, not a medicinal infusion. During fermentation, medicinal substances contained in herbs, leaves, etc., change their properties... Therefore, when preparing teas from medicinal plants, those useful substances that are present in properly prepared raw materials do not always work. And the properties of herbal leaves during fermentation can either weaken, or disappear altogether, or even change.... Different parts of the plant may contain different active substances, and their different amounts are unambiguous. Therefore, most often not the whole plant is harvested for treatment as a whole, but some part of it - flowers, leaves, grass, roots.
So that if you make tea, for example, from the leaves of black chokeberry, this does not mean that it, like an infusion or decoction from black chokeberries, will reduce your pressure or act as a blood thickener.
I am a pharmacist by profession, and my grandmother taught me to herbs. From the age of five she helped her to collect and harvest grass-ants. Therefore, I went to the pharmaceutical faculty to study. And my grandmother is a military assistant, but she loves herbs very much. At one time she lived in the village, and even local health workers went to her for advice and herbs. And now the herbs are forgotten, I think, undeservedly.
Next, you are worried about what effect this or that plant has on the body:
Quote: Burunduk
Strawberry has an astringent, hemostatic, anti-inflammatory, choleretic, diaphoretic, anthelmintic, antimicrobial, expectorant, emollient, soothing, antipyretic,blood-purifying, antispasmodic, antithyroid, wound-healing, anti-sclerotic action, reduces the amount of uric acid and its salts in the body, has a hepatoprotective effect, regulates metabolism, improves heart function and blood composition.
Quote: Burunduk
... Strawberries are contraindicated in pregnancy, increased secretion of gastric juice, prolonged hepatic colic and appendicitis "
Quote: Rada-dms
I know for sure that raspberries and other acidifying things cannot be done with gout!
Quote: Omela
That's about that and speech. For example, I have an ulcer, so I will refrain from strawberries.
Girls, you write here about berries, not the leaves of plants, especially those fermented... Here's how Veronica responds on this matter:

...And about the black chokeberry - Oksana, if you have normal blood pressure, that is, if you are not hypotonic in life, then you can safely consume fruits (of course, not a pound at a time), and even more tea from leaves. The medicinal properties of mountain ash have been exaggerated. It is not recommended, but again in large quantities, for people with a tendency to thrombosis. It thickens the blood, such an infection (fruits, fruits, not leaves !!!). By the way, if you add dried berries to tea from leaves, then the properties of tea, as you understand. will change too. In this case, see the properties of the plant's berries, not the leaves., because the main amount of active substances, and sometimes 100%, is contained in the fruits.

... Someone above (I can't find it, the Internet at the dacha is not the Internet at all ...) talked about the presence of hydrocyanic acid in bird cherry, since a strong smell of almonds appears during fermentation. Firstly, not hydrocyanic acid in bird cherry (and in general in all stone fruits and pome fruits, but not in all parts), but amygdalin, a glycoside that decomposes into components, including hydrocyanic acid. Secondly, hydrocyanic acid itself is very unstable, hydrochloric acid will crush it. Thirdly, in order to get poisoned, you need to ingest a decent amount of the one that contains amygdalin. And fourthly, when heated above 80 degrees, this amygdalin is completely neutralized, and only the smell remains. An example is Amaretto liqueur. And after 10 days of aging, tea made from bird cherry acquired a very pleasant fruity aroma with the addition of the smell of bird cherry flowers. Yes, if you are still afraid of amygdalin, then drink sweet tea, as sugar neutralizes it
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So, girls, there is no need to compare the effect of fruits and berries on the body with the effect of leaves, especially fermented ones.
Take the same strawberries. Like a fresh berry, it is contraindicated in people with gastrointestinal diseases at the time of exacerbation. In dried form, this berry will no longer act aggressively on the gastric mucosa, since vitamin C has practically collapsed during the drying process. If you use fresh leaves strawberries for making tea, then its effect on the stomach will be quite mild. And from dried leaves - in general, almost harmless. well and in fermented form, the biochemical composition of the leaves has changed so muchthat it can be drunk without fear, even at the time of exacerbation of gastrointestinal diseases.
I'll give you my own example. I have the same diagnosis as Mistletoe - stomach and duodenal ulcer. Last year, during an exacerbation, I visited a doctor (my classmate, by the way) regarding this disease. At the reception, as a gift, I brought different teas - ivan tea, cherry, apple, pear, blackberry, garden strawberry. When prescribing medicines, the doctor checked with the help of instruments, this or that remedy suits me. Some medicines did not fit, he took another. In general, having picked up the medicines, he began to select their dose - also according to the instruments. I was surprised then that a tiny pill turned out to be better for me ¼ part, not a whole. And here is a large pill - 1 per dose. Then I asked him to check with the help of the device whether I could consume all the tea that I had brought him. In general, girls, all the tea suited me. Let me remind you that I had a period of exacerbation of the ulcer. But I asked this purely out of curiosity.I already knew that fermented tea had never had a negative effect on my stomach. Any tea!
I do not presume to say that with other diseases and with tea from other plants everything will be as smooth as in my case. But I know for sure - there is no need to make tea from obviously poisonous plants, as one of our girls and Veronica and I warned her in time. It is not necessary to drink the same tea for months and liters. You need to alternate tea. For breakfast, for example, from a brick, for lunch - from an apple tree ... Tomorrow I will drink a blackberry ... Well, what am I telling you ... I think that this is understandable.
Finally, I will quote myself:
Quote: lappl1
Note that we primarily make tea. What is tea in general? This is a delicious and aromatic drink. Therefore, when people drink the usual Indian or Chinese tea, they (for the most part) perceive it not as a medicine. And they follow him to the store. If a person has health problems, then he goes to the pharmacy or harvests those plants that will help cope with these problems. And he doesn't really think about whether this broth will be tasty, even if it's bitter wormwood or disgustingly sweet licorice. It is necessary, then it is necessary.
So it is with our tea. The technology for making fermented teas described in the recipe is similar to the technology for producing tea all over the world. So, if you want to make tea, you must follow the conditions for its preparation, which are described in the recipe. If you want to get, first of all, medicinal benefits from plants, then you do not need to prepare tea, but simply dry the leaves or other parts of the plants. Moreover, this must be done at a temperature not higher than 40 * C
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Omela
Luda, thank you for such a detailed answer. I understand everything. We really do tea for taste. There remains only individual intolerance.
GruSha
I also wash the leaves, so much dust on them !!!
GruSha
Here comes my cherry in the process

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natushka
Quote: GruSha
Here comes my cherry in the process
Wow how green
N @ dezhd @
My cherries have been fermented for 4 hours, the smell is awesome, it seems to me cherry and notes of almonds. Wait, I'll go dry, as the smell is strong enough
lappl1
Quote: Omela
Luda, thank you for such a detailed answer. I understand everything. We really do tea for taste.
To your health, Oksan! Well, not only because of the taste! Much useful remains - the same micro and macro elements. Yes, and some substances that become more available to the body after fermentation. Eh, we would like a biochemist here! I would put everything on the shelves. Let's wait for Veronica. Maybe she will deepen our knowledge. And I'll look in the internet - I'm interested in myself.
lappl1
Quote: N @ dezhd @
My cherries have been fermented for 4 hours, the smell is awesome, it seems to me cherry and notes of almonds. Wait, I'll go dry, as the smell is strong enough
Hope, you can already dry! And next time, hold it for a longer fermentation. Compare aroma, color and taste and choose the one that you like best. Now you will have a light fermentation tea with a mild flavor. And if you ferment for 8-10 hours, then the taste will become more tart. Therefore, choose for yourself.
N @ dezhd @
People, well, I went to start the dryer, otherwise we already have 19 zero zero, and at night I don't want to run to check
lappl1
Quote: GruSha
I also wash the leaves, so much dust on them !!!
oh, sorry! The unwashed ones would ferment more strongly. But, of course, you should not make tea with dust!
Quote: GruSha
Here comes my cherry in the process
Gulya, you can see how strong the granules are! Good tea will turn out!
lappl1
Quote: N @ dezhd @
Well, I went to start the dryer, otherwise we already have 19 zero zero, and at night I don't want to run to check
Nadia, good luck! Start! Just don't dry it out! Bother me often! And it is better to leave the tea slightly damp, and then dry it in a bag.
N @ dezhd @
Use understood the boss. Photo from me.
lappl1
Nadia,
francevna
I waited for dry weather, picked up raspberry, plum, cherry and quince leaves. I didn't think the trees were so dusty, because only the rains passed, so I had to wash everything. I dried it in a hand dryer, laid it out on fabric, folded it into a bag and in the freezer.It seemed to me that I gained so many leaves, and the total weight turned out to be a little over kg.
Now thinking about how best to do, cut or scroll through a meat grinder?
Linadoc
Today I have carried out a "batch" test for some plants on the site. Jasmine and acacia did not pass. Gone are barberry (this one turned out to be very fragrant), honeysuckle, irga, Sakhalin buckwheat (I know this plant only under this name - the stem is like a bamboo, but the leaves are large oval, up to 3m tall). In general, it is dried, freezing, I will ferment. Then I will report, as well as on larch.
natushka
Quote: Linadoc
barberry (this one turned out to be very fragrant), honeysuckle
Oh, these are very interesting.
francevna
I did not read all the pages. I am interested in drying in the microwave, can anyone dry tea in it. I dried the dill, it turned out fragrant and the color was preserved.
Rada-dms
Omela, so I dry first in the oven, then dry it in the dryer, as Lyudmila advises!
Rada-dms
francevna, I dry in the microwave, but on convection mode (this is essentially an oven!) WITHOUT microwaves. It seems to me that it is a pity to kill the very essence of plants with microwaves. But ask what Luda thinks. I would not advise you.
And Unfermented herbs dry well and without any special devices, they have been drying in bags all their life.
Linadoc
Girls, well, again on the pine tree, because I can't wait to share. Lilacs and hops did not pass the test, but the grapes went brilliantly. I'll freeze it for tomorrow.
Rada-dms
Linadoc, uh, you be careful there - we are worried here already !!

I have decorative grapes, can it be interesting to use it ?!
Omela
Linadoc, and what is the test?
Omela
Rada-dms, and why not immediately start drying in drying? Just a friend asked me, she didn't have an oven.
Linadoc
Test - wrinkle, rub, bag, smell. If the aroma suits you, we try to ferment. I also have girlish grapes, the whole house is entangled, this is how much tea you can make!
Omela
Got it. What would I rub? Nothing in the neighborhood, nouuuuuu !!))
Loksa
Omela, have you tried raspberries? Very interesting. I froze it - don't laugh - Jerusalem artichoke (I had to catapult it, why do I think the leaves should be lost in vain?) I'm not strong in smells, but nothing does it smell like that? Nobody did?
Today I treated you to tea from an apple, a very, very soulful color-red-brown-deep. Everyone liked it, only there is no taste as such, the aftertaste remains like a baked apple, but very deep
lappl1
Quote: Omela
Why can't you start drying right away? Just a friend asked me, she didn't have an oven.
Ksyusha, you can dry it right away in the dryer. First, set the maximum possible temperature, and then lower it to 50 * C. And at the end and at the minimum temperature - I have 30 * C. tea dries very well in the dryer. If a dryer with air supply to each pallet (like Isidri) is generally great! If not, then periodically change the pallets in places. Only tea on pallets should be placed with gaps so that the air from below rises up unhindered. This is how I dried my first tea. But I did not take this into account and put the tea plump. As a result, my simple dryer rebelled and, unable to bear such a boorish attitude towards it, burned down. While my husband was fixing the dryer, I switched to the oven. And I liked it more than fooling around with rearranging the pallets. So let your friend dry tea boldly in her dryer ...
lappl1
Quote: Loksa
Today I treated you to tea from an apple, a very, very soulful color-red-brown-deep. Everyone liked it, only the taste itself is absent,
Oksana, now try the apple, well, and other flavors, ferment longer. The taste should be added.
lappl1
Girls, if possible, don't wash the leaves! This greatly affects the fermentation process and the result. Where did you get the dust from? Are there roads nearby?
IwOlga
lappl1, Lyudmila, Isidri has max. temperature - 60 *. Will it not be enough?
My first child is resting in a bag, it doesn't smell much, but oh-oh-very tasty !!! I just want to sit side by side, drive my nose. I would rather go to my mother for the leaves! And thank you for this Wishlist!
Loksa
lappl1, Lyudochka I Liu tea with a bitter tart, what to add such a vigorous taste? Did you have something bitter?
lappl1
Quote: IwOlga
Isidri has max. temperature - 60 *. Will it not be enough?
Olya, I would like more, but if there is no other way to dry tea, then this temperature will go. And you can first dry in a frying pan over medium heat with constant shaking and stirring, and then dry it in the dryer. Some of the girls only dried tea in a frying pan and liked the result.
Quote: IwOlga
My first child is resting in a bag, it doesn't smell much, but oh-oh-very tasty !!!
Dry tea in a bag will not smell strongly. It will then give out its aroma in a jar after dry fermentation!
Quote: IwOlga
And thank you for this Wishlist!
Olya, to your health! Let the tea bring you pleasure in the future.
lappl1
Quote: Loksa
Lyudochka I Liu tea with bitterness is tart, what to add so vigorous for taste? Did you have something bitter?
Oksan, a tart taste is obtained after long fermentation. Try to ferment for 15-20 hours. It is possible up to 2 days. Only the layer should be at least 5 cm, and preferably about 10 cm. And close the container with the tea tightly with the lid. And also do not touch the tea all the time of fermentation. Well, do not wash the leaves AT ALL !!! Have you got the weather there? So the leaves are dry. It is recommended not to pick the leaves for tea for the first 5 days after rain. Only in this way will the amount of bacteria necessary for fermentation be on them. I don't think it's dust on the leaves. It may be some kind of plaque.
And tart tea from fireweed, cherries and blackberries is obtained. But with long fermentation. The viburnum is bitter (someone wrote), but I did not do it.
lappl1
Quote: francevna
I did not read all the pages. I am interested in drying in the microwave, can anyone dry tea in it. I dried the dill, it turned out fragrant and the color was preserved.
Alla, I'm okay with the microwave. Gorgeous jam in it turns out without tension. The marmalade was made from thick, thick jam. But she didn’t dry anything except nuts. Again, I make tea from at least 1 kg of leaves at a time. You cannot dry this amount in the microwave at a time. And standing near the microwave, so as not to burn the tea, does not smile at me very much. If you are sure you will not burn the tea, then give it a try.
lappl1
Quote: Linadoc
Today I have carried out a "batch" test for some plants on the site. Jasmine and acacia did not pass. Gone are barberry (this one turned out to be very fragrant), honeysuckle, irga, Sakhalin buckwheat (I know this plant only under this name - the stem is like a bamboo, but the leaves are large oval, up to 3m tall). In general, it is dried, freezing, I will ferment. Then I will report, as well as on larch.
Linadoc, look forward to !
Quote: Linadoc
Girls, well, again on the pine tree, because I can't wait to share. Lilacs and hops did not pass the test, but the grapes went brilliantly. I'll freeze it for tomorrow.
Extreme! In every sense - from pine to lilac with hops! Perhaps, I also need to go to the neighbors for grapes. But after we get the impression from you!
lappl1
Quote: Omela
What would I rub? Nothing in the neighborhood, nouuuuuu !!))
Mistletoe, is there a forest nearby? If there is, then raspberries must be there, strawberries (don't be afraid, I tested - my stomach reacted very well to it). Fireweed in the field away. And the apple trees? Pears? Cherries? Blackberry? Irga?
Do you have a new dacha settlement there, or what? If you haven't, go to any garden. Are the neighbors adequate? If so, let them share!
lappl1
Quote: Loksa
I froze for - don't laugh - Jerusalem artichoke,
Another extreme game! So we will soon reach tomatoes and potatoes! In general, no kidding, we are waiting for a report on Jerusalem artichoke.
francevna
Ludmila, I have an Isidri dryer, I'll try it in it. I'm afraid to dry in the oven in the room, there will be a strong aroma, but for me this is a big problem. And there is no way to ventilate because of the heat, the splits work constantly, and in the rooms +26.

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