Ivan tea (fermentation of fireweed leaves) - master class

2. Yesterday I picked up a lot of leaves, more than usual, stirred for 5 hours, but with these blanks I got tired and fell asleep, though the leaves were covered with a sheet on top. Several leaves have dried up, I chose them whenever possible. I checked the lump - it does not disintegrate, and when I began to twist it in a meat grinder, I squeezed the lumps and in several I clearly heard the crunch of the median vein (underwent). But there was no excess moisture in the mass, normal granules. Can ferment longer?

Good evening!
I would be guided by the smell. I smell myself every 1-1.5 hours.

Good evening everyone! Siberia means already arranging master-classes -APPROVEMENT! What can I say about the packaging for tea - in order not to bother, you can take packages from under 2-liter juices (surely someone is drinking) and cut (or not cut) the lid with a cork (then think of the lid yourself). Thick cardboard, food foil inside, again 2 liters - a good volume. I kept it in a birch bark - this is a thing, and what a smell, this tea is over (2 years have passed); you can do it yourself from birch bark - you’re all needlewomen here - the main thing is to get birch bark and just sew without bothering, you can sew square boxes ( they will take up less space in the closet).

And in vain did you brew fresh tea for my husband

So I thought it was in vain. And I really like it! Today I brewed myself in a thermos, with mint, with a spoonful of buckwheat honey - this is happiness !!!
This is what I thought, my work just interferes with my creativity. Maybe her to the bathhouse, this job? I'm sitting in the kitchen, guarding the next party

Added Wednesday 13 Jul 2016 10:27 PM

I smell myself every 1-1.5 hours.

I say the same - work interferes!

[Tricia]

TriciaThank you ... I gladly switched to links .. and today I made another batch .. I'm doing it! So for now, no questions asked .. Thank you

Leshka is back! Hurrah!

Question!! And what if you need to sew - and really want to sleep ??

But what if you need to sew - and you really want to sleep?

put in the refrigerator and get up early

Lesha, well done that he showed up!
Well, report back, what else did you come up with interesting?

Girls, I have a question. As far as I could have looked through the topic, I could not find an answer.
Maybe someone knows how ivan tea affects allergies? Do allergy sufferers have a reaction to raw grass? How do you react to fermented tea? Are allergens removed during fermentation? In general, the topic is "Ivan-tea and allergies". If you have any observations, write. The interest is caused by a simple reason, allergic daughter, polynosis. Coming soon on vacation, and I have a harvesting season. Stop or give it a ride? Treat with tea or abstain? What if tea will cure allergies ???!

Hello! Help urgently! I've read here before, but I don't remember. How to reanimate the leaves if dry? I sit ripping off. I'll fight for another two hours. And some along the edges that were sticking out from under the sheet, generally dried up, I will just dry them. but mostly strongly dried, but do not break yet.

Veleslog

, specialists will tell you about the resuscitation of overdried leaves ... But I want to ask you: are you dragging home with the stems or what? If so, I would like to advise you to rip off the leaves in the meadow, it's fast !!! Luda wrote this on page 1 of the recipe. I collect a 2-bucket basket in 30 minutes

I would be happy, but in the taiga there is such a vile, and even with a heat of 30 and a humidity of 100, that 30 minutes in a full closure simply cannot be sustained.And if you need to collect more flowers, then just a pitchfork. So I'm taking it home. By the way, on the site of my Kupala pilgrimage, a wonderful young growth has risen from the broken off stems. All the leaves are already rough, and in my meadow there are new, young ones, it is a sight for sore eyes.

[Veleslog]

Veleslog, sprinkle with water and hold in the cloth. Galyaiv did so.
mironirina, now I'll send the Doctor.

By the way, on the site of my Kupala pilgrimage, a wonderful young growth has risen from the broken off stems. All the leaves are already rough, and in my clearing there are new, young ones, a sight for sore eyes.

-class Now I understand why I have to do this ...

[Veleslog]

Veleslog, sprinkle with water and hold in the cloth. Galyaiv did so.
mironirina, now I'll send the Doctor.

I underestimated myself, stripped everything off, and already crumpled the tops of my heads, by the way, in a wet basin, I began to wrinkle, and it turned out in the end, as usual. How long did she keep in the fabric? Although it’s already evening and I have to twist it, in half an hour they will drive me out to the entrance together with the granulator.

Added Thursday, 14 Jul 2016 03:26 PM

When twisting, it seemed to work out fine, of course drier than usual. What's the best way to ferment? Longer or less?

[Veleslog]

Veleslogwhichever you prefer, ferment it, anyway, while you dry the first part, the rest will remain for fermentation.

As it is, today I brewed my under-dried, non-fermented tea, awesome color, rich taste. Better than a "correct" sheet!

Ivanushka cannot be spoiled ...
and a meat grinder is stronger and richer than sheet.

[elena kadiewa]

Good evening everyone! elena kadiewaHow did the master class go? Is your tea ready already?

Added Thursday, 14 Jul 2016 7:51 pm

Nat, non-dried, non-fermented tea - the aroma and infusion will still be tasty, even if it is not black tea. Green also has its own gadgets - it also darkens over time and picks up a bouquet

Lesh, how can I say ... their first question was: "Can I buy tea from you? Well, at least a kilogram!" so the mood dropped immediately.
She explained that I do not sell tea, she showed everything, she said that I specially collected the leaves yesterday.
I'm not sure what they will do, although they liked the brewed tea last year and this one. I also gave it to me.

[Veleslog]

Veleslog, catch the smell, and so - 2-3 hours of fermentation - and the tea is green, if more (you can even a day, look at the ambient temperature) - then black. Catch the Smell - at the peak of a strong fruity aroma - stop fermentation and sushi!

Added Thursday 14 Jul 2016 20:00

elena kadiewa, of course, although people quickly get used to good things (if only not to freebies), the one who wants to learn will teach others! From my own experience, I know - 10 people taught for sure, and then - like a chain reaction

how does ivan tea affect allergies?

It is determined individually. By trial.

How do you react to fermented tea? Are allergens removed during fermentation?

Fermentation does not reduce allergies, as the reaction is directed towards the plant in question. And it doesn't matter in what form this plant is.

daughter-allergic \, polinoz.

Pollinosis is a reaction to pollen, not to the plant itself. Although a reaction to the plant itself is possible. But more often the allergy to pollen is separate, and the plant does not cause anything inside. You have to try.

What if tea will cure allergies ???!

This is rare, but it happens. But in the overwhelming majority of cases, plants in a material dose stimulate allergies rather than cure. But in a homeopathic dose - they cure.

Not sure what they will do

Rjunimagu
I am sure that they WILL NOT do it! Len, I have already conducted both a master class and an ordinary tasting so many times. They try, gasp, ask to SELL! And nobody wants to even try to do it on their own!
WE ARE ABNORMAL!

[Radushka]

Radushka,
But they queue up for a tea-shaped hotel, and they ask, what are you doing?

[elena kadiewa]

elena kadiewa, uh-huh ... duc, let's do the same

Rjunimagu
I am sure that they WILL NOT do it!

WE ARE ABNORMAL!

definitely
Out of a dozen attracted, one went with me once, made a kilogram, called the next day, they say, 2500 per kilogram will go ?! Make me three!

[Veleslog]

Veleslog, and what am I talking about? We are NOT NORMAL!
So you collect Ivancha there! And "we" ... raspberries, blackberries ... You can't pull them off! In general, I am silent about the leaves from the trees ... You should have seen the trees from which my husband took me! Climb climbed, but no way to get off

And I would have looked ...

Hello, dear Ivan tea lovers. Your help is urgently needed! I collected two small packages of Ivan-tea, dried them according to the instructions, ground them in a food processor (no meat grinder) into small leaves and set them to ferment. 26 hours have passed, there is no necessary smell (fruit and flower), it smelled like grass, and it smells, a little sour tint appeared in the smell. The temperature is about 25 degrees, what's wrong with the tea? Still wait, or will there be no use from him? Thank you.

They try, gasp, ask to SELL! And nobody wants to even try to do it on their own!

And there is! Also collided.

[Linadoc]

Linadoc, thanks for the answer! It seems that the situation is not so bad. There are no flowers in my tea, so pollen too!)

ground in a food processor (no meat grinder) into small leaves

Most likely this is the reason! The leaf did not undergo sufficient processing with the destruction of leaf cells and the release of sap! The fermentation is going wrong accordingly. If a sour smell appears, it is better to dry it urgently, otherwise you will spoil it completely. And for the future, if there is no meat grinder, then you need to use your hands, not a combine! Rinse the leaves thoroughly with your hands until their color changes and juice is released.

[Irina]

Irina, I agree completely! The sheet did not collapse.

Thank you very much, at first I twisted it into sausages, but it seemed to me that there was not enough juice, that it did not work out, and I ground it. I put it to dry, the sheet became slippery, apparently there was a slip))) The smell is normal, it doesn't smell of brooms from the bath yet, okay, now, the first pancake, as they say.

it seemed to me that there was not enough juice

Natasha, there won't be much juice! After all, before that, we specially wither the leaf! Therefore, it is necessary to focus not so much on the amount of juice as on changes in the color of the leaf. An ordinary withered leaf is green, and a well-wrinkled leaf takes on a dark, swampy color.

Dried tea, the smell of a birch broom :))) The leaf is small, and those fragments that remain large are of a pronounced green color. It looks like no fermentation has happened there, it's a pity, on the other hand, a bad experience is always good))) In general, the conclusion is as follows: Chopping a leaf in a combine is a bad idea when making Koporye tea.

Well, if you first read and then grind, then this conclusion was made 2 years ago! If you are too lazy to read, then errors will be constantly ...
And the tea that is not obtained can be used with a "healing" effect. It is useful for men, they write that prostatitis is good ...

and a meat grinder is stronger and richer than sheet.

here it is! They drank a lot and for a long time all the teas (which I prepared in multiple variations last year), and they came to the same opinion: the meat grinder turned out to be more fragrant, rich, and just tastier than the rest twisted by hand ..
Therefore, we went with our faithful after the rain to the woods, about 4 days ago, we picked three tamped bags of leaves, and the FIRST LOT of fermentation for 20 hours, then in the oven at 150-180 gr. for 10 minutes for * killing greens * ALREADY DRYING in a bag purely for tea Zen ..
It turned out fragrant and everything is straight that which is liked by ALL members of our families, and many friends who were generously treated last year)
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HELLO to all of you! )) And Thank you again for the depth and accessibility of this tea topic, as well as for the live interactive)
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PS: one and a half more buckets need to dry fermented ... oh, and it's troublesome .. But chouzh to do .. lies in the refrigerator for now .. I'll start in the evening ..

[Barrabas]

Barrabas, and your tea is black? Please describe the flavor characteristics of your tea! After 10 minutes frying, take it out of the oven and air dry?

Oven tea, yes, black. Granulated. Here I put two baking sheets in the oven and turned it on for 200 .. After 5 minutes I opened the door ajar and wait another 10 minutes now .. During this time, the mass will warm up well and * killing the greens * will occur - a complex chemical process that turns the mass into tea) It is detailed described in the Chinese technologies for making puerh .. Well, after 10 minutes I will put the oven on 100 - 120 and with the door open I will dry it for about 1.5 hours periodically gently stirring up the mass .. As usual, everything in general .. I do not take it out of the oven until then until it dries .. Just stir and stir every 10 minutes.
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PS: it is very difficult to describe the taste characteristics, because you just have to try it to understand .. But from a spoonful of granules with a small top of 400 ml of a teapot after 3-4 minutes of brewing, it is tart, of course not as Indian, but in a peculiar way. Candy caramel soft taste, with honey-flower sooo rich smell. You drink and just like that, the mood is immediately complacent and contented in your mind Nuu, something like this)

[Barrabas]

Barrabas, thank you very much! I am a novice tea grower. I made a small party, but I have already pulled out half, I am tasting everything. I am trying to understand whether it worked or not. I correctly understood that you rake off a certain amount for drying, and the rest continues to ferment?

Posted Saturday 16 Jul 2016 3:53 PM

Question to all: HOW TIGHTLY is the "meat grinder" tea crushed before fermentation? You can, after all, crush the granules in different ways. If we proceed from the fact that there should be as little air as possible in the raw material being fermented, then it turns out that it should be tamped ???

Do you rake off a certain amount for drying, and the rest continues to ferment?

Well, yes .. I can't dry a 10-liter bucket at a time at my home with a conventional gas oven .. I rake it out little by little, and the rest in the refrigerator * which I put on maximum cold * so that the fermentation process of raw materials is stopped.
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By adhesion density; I just knock the bucket on the floor after each thrown bowl of chopped raw materials, I wind the bowl in about 5 minutes .. well, I threw it and knock-knock lightly so that the granules are milled .. but as soon as the top gets a little crush and that's it. I don't press hard .. I don't know, maybe because of the careful attitude of the subconscious or something

[Barrabas]

Barrabas, and my fermentation in a large volume is not going well. Once I put it in a 5-liter bucket. There was no smell. Poured into cups and smelled. Now when I grind 5 pots on the table. Still learning but the smell is strong.

[mironirina]

mironirina, you do not need a meat grinder,Barrabas, correctly wrote - knock on the container in which you are fermenting, lightly slap it with your palm, smooth it and that's it. Everything is written in the recipe, read, repeat, it will not be superfluous.
And the layer is 5-7 cm, edge 10! But the larger the volume, the longer the fermentation and not always the same as you expect.
Barrabas, finally showed up! And then all our men are gone ...

Elena kadiewa, Hello)) Yeah, he showed up if the case led by itself))
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I also read that a layer of 5-10 cm should be put in a dish .. Pouring a lot into a bag * to keep it from being ferried in the refrigerator * looked .. And honestly, I think that in a bucket filled to the top, that in a flat saucepan - one outcome. Even layer by layer I looked at all the raw materials in a bucket - everything ferments evenly during fermentation, the color is the same .. Now I’m already boldly doing the whole process, doing things along the way, I only look at the minute hand)
And it turns out great!
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We went to the Matryoshka cafe, a kind of Russian cafe on the blackboard, ordered Ivay-Tea .. For fun .. Yeah .. The taste of my tea is * green * he guess what you wrinkle with your hands .. But not toooo And certainly not black meat grinder

Caravul !!!!
Something went wrong with me, help me figure it out.
I collected fireweed on the way. Many leaves were already dotted, the flowers had already faded by 2/3, remained only on the top of the panicles.
We barely picked out more or less clean leaves, but still many with dots remained, because otherwise we would have had to throw out almost everything.
For about 8 hours, the leaves were shaking in the car, tightly packed in plastic bags. Then we spent the night in the refrigerator, also in bags (not in the freezer). Then several hours were spread out in a thin layer on the fabric. I mixed them periodically.
When, when bending, the vein stopped crunching, and the tacky lump stopped breaking apart, she twisted everything in a meat grinder.
This is where the problems began.
Very small granules came out of the meat grinder, which, when minced in a bowl, turned into absolute dust.
Why could this happen?
I have 2 suspicions:
1. The grinder grid is too fine
2. Has tamped the twisted mass too tightly.
Maybe it was necessary to twist it again on a larger grate?

Now this mass has been standing under a damp cloth for 19 hours. The apartment is quite warm, about 25-26 * C.
The color is greenish-brown, the smell is herbaceous-fruity.

I just can't decide whether it's time to proceed to the next stage, and what to do to get granules all the same?
Would you like to twist it again and not disturb the resulting lumps anymore, but also fry it with granules? Or nothing will work out and you need to throw everything away?

In general, a caravul!

[Olga VB]

Olga VB, Olya, I do not have Ivan-tea, but I scroll through the garden grate through a large grate, ferment, and then scroll through the fine one and immediately send it to the dryer.

To twist again

Olya, I often twist the sauces again before drying ... twist boldly after fermentation

Thank you, my golden! I ran to perform
Oh, a question: is it easier or more difficult to twist the second time? That is, is it better again manual or electric not out of breath?
And on which grate is better for the second time?

[Olga]

Olga, I spin on the electric Zelmera, I only have large and very small gratings, there is no middle one. It spins normally, but I give the car a rest, but I have garden leaves.