Ivan tea (fermentation of fireweed leaves) - master class

[Radushka]

Radushka, with a new avatar for you! What a smiling girl!

[Veronica]

Veronica, thanks, Veronica! This is me - myself. Only ... Almost 7 years ago.

[Igor]

Igor, the thickness of the fermentation layer should not be more than 10-12 cm.
Well, we've been spinning it all long enough. What can you do?

Atas! I almost screwed up Thanks! Urgently poured into a long basin

[Igor]

Igor,

Urgently poured into a long basin

Good luck! Delicious tea!

[paramed1]

paramed1,

No, I will not drink now, because now there is a lot of vitamin and teas. We must drink what will not be in winter. But in winter, lay on Ivan tea ... Yes. That's how I came up with everything logical for myself))).

[Radushka]

Radushka, what a charming woman!
Natus, so don't drink, but try the current, that's all! I do like this!
Barrabas, it is better to ferment with not very large basins, then the fermentation goes better, I myself was convinced this year, although it is clear that you will not find extra containers on the watch, but still. And the layer is 7-10 cm.

[elena kadiewa]

elena kadiewa,

[Radushka]

Radushka, all the same - a smiling girl! That we are some seven years old !!!

Girls, good evening! Since we made a little tea, my daughter also prevents me from brewing. Leave it until winter, but you really want it .... Maybe you will still be able to collect the boxes.

[Barrabas]

Barrabas, Igor, how will you dry such a large volume?

This is me - myself. Only ... Almost 7 years ago.

Yes, from time to time we only become stronger, more refined and more aromatic. Like Ivan's tea.

Good evening everyone. Please tell me until what time can you collect the leaves? And then I thought that everything would be enough, but then people are pulling up, so I doubted for.

[pavel1963]

pavel1963so while they are going. If they are whole, not gnawed and not diseased, then collect them! Last year, in our village, I collected the last fireweed in September, but little by little, for mixed teas.

[pavel1963]

Colleagues, hello everyone!
pavel1963, we have a company here from all over the former Soviet Union and from abroad - the geography is very wide. Everything is in different conditions: some have no fireweed in principle, since the steppe is all around, some have already dried up - there is nothing to collect, since it was a hot summer, in the north of the Moscow region it is not all dry yet - they are harvested, in St. Petersburg, for example, you can also find young leaves, and mature leaves, not dry, elastic, many are clean, without a flaw. That is, under St. Petersburg, we are still actively collecting. And flowers too! I will collect all the way, maybe reddening from morning frost.
What region-region-city are you from?

will you dry such a large volume?

Yes. I'll take it to the dining room .. there are large ovens, I have already agreed .. I promised to give half of them, so that everything was fair)
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and now I will twist the dried-up from the second batch, and dry it in a medical dry-heat cabinet))

[Tricia]

Tricia, I'm from Tver))) we also have a lot of Vanyusha))

Igor, does dry-heat give no more than 100?

[Igor]

Igor, be sure to monitor the temperature. The husband said (he is a doctor) that the temperature is high in the dry heat cabinet, the tea can burn out. Good luck with your tea making.

[Lyudochka]

Lyudochka!
Today I smelled the available jars with different experimental teas and made conclusions. And now I can write about my algorithm with peace of mind.
Here is the only algorithm left after experiments to create our favorite tea. We love thick, strong, full-bodied, with a sweet-raisin aroma.
Any sheet: it turned out that a sweetish fruity-raisin smell can be obtained from young palms, and from juicy leaves, and from dense, mature leaves. Can be collected with buds and flowers.
Withering: 6 to 24 hours, depending on temperature, humidity, ventilation in the withering place, on the tenderness of the leaf.
Scrolling in a meat grinder, lattice with 0.8 cm holes - once.
Granules - medium strengthsometimes crumble a little.
Fermentation or in glass bowls 25 cm high and 30 cm in diameter under a wet towel and plate or in 3 liter plastic food buckets. I don't insulate it from above, they just stand in the kitchen at an average temperature of 23-25 ​​degrees C. I never had to forcibly start the fermentation - everything starts to warm up with a bang right at the very beginning of scrolling. I hardly crush the granules in bowls and buckets. Fermentation at least 24 hours... A couple of times and up to 30 hours.
Readiness I determine by a slightly yeast smell that begins to pinch the nose or simply by time (24 hours guideline), I also determine by the consistency of granules - they should not be slimy when crushed. At the very beginning of fermentation, they are slimy, but by the end of it, due to the fact that the mass heats up, the juice is either absorbed into the leaf, or simply disappears somewhere, and the granules become more rough and dry - and then dry.
Drying:shock at 150 g C for 20-40 minutes with a slightly open oven (the tea itself, as it turned out, has t 70-75 g C, probably due to the fact that I interfere with it every 5-7 minutes, allowing the moisture to evaporate faster). Then 1 - 1.5 hours at 100 degrees C (tea itself is 60 grams). I dry on kitchen surfaces in the same paper as I dried, fastening the ends of the paper with a parachute.
I keep only in glass or cans. In plastic my tea suffocated. I had to urgently pour everything over, I don't know if the normal smell will return ...
Outcome: the last batch of properly dried tea in glass jars spent only a day, and already began to smell of raisins! HURRAH! This is the fourth batch of this algorithm, which gave the expected result. I am very glad, I will stock up further.
PS Photo of dry and brewed tea and taste reports will be a little later.

[Nastya]

Store only in glass or tin cans. In plastic my tea suffocated. I had to urgently pour everything over, I don't know if the normal smell will return ..

Nastya, I also store only in glass jars and better with metal screw caps. Jars with plastic lids have a completely different flavor, new lids.

[Yessenia]

Yessenia, nice to meet you! Welcome to our ranks! I regularly visit Tver (my relatives live there) and travel through the Tver region - there are a lot of ivanushka along the forest edges.

Barrabas, welcome to tea makers!
Be careful while drying - the door must be kept open so that the moisture evaporates quickly and the tea does not drip and smell of a broom. And constantly stir gently so that it does not burn, otherwise it will taste and smell like burnt paper.
And one more little piece of advice, if you will allow me: even if you don't like something in already dried tea, do not throw it away. Dry completely and put in a glass jar, let it lie down and still dry fermentation. Sometimes such dark horses suddenly gave an interesting smell and taste.

[Alla]

Alla, Yes! Precisely in glass and with tin twist lids. And I kept my Macho in plastic ... now I can't even smell him - it's just disgusting. My husband consoles, says that he smells of honey ... And I almost like burnt plastic. I put everything in cans, maybe I can catch my breath.

That's interesting. When you worry about YOUR tea, everything is clear. Why do you worry so much so that others can make tea?

What region-region-city are you from?
Moscow region Klinsky district.

[pavel1963]

pavel1963, count fellow countrymen! My parents live in MO, I go to them through Tver. In the northeast of Moscow region, Ivanushka can still be harvested, in the shade it is very green and juicy.

[Radushka]

Girls boys, hello everyone! You did so much work here while I was away. Well done!
Radushkawhat a beauty you are! very nice to meet you again.

oh, girls, how warm, light and delicious it smells here! I'm with you!

cerea, Natasha, yes, we have a wonderful company! It's good that you like it with us. Let's wait for what you did.

And I haven't tasted my tea yet. I'm waiting for winter. I really feel sorry for him even to drink it - such a fragrant and heartwarming presence of stock. I will drink - there will be no stock!)))

Scarecrow, Nata, don't be afraid, I won't beat you up. Take care of Ivanushka, and for now, do some garden scent. The time has come for them.

Fuh .. Finally .. from 12 to 15 o'clock I was sitting and methodically twirling tea .. not a woman's occupation, it goes very tightly, frozen beef is much easier .. 100 sweats disappeared ..

Barrabas, I could not stand to twist so many leaves in a manual meat grinder. We need to get an electric one. It seems to me that it is better to do every day little by little than at one time. While the last leaves were twisted, the first ones could have been dried. Although I understand that I want to have time to do more during the shift.

a whole bucket with a top came out from that spreading on the floor .. Ivan-tea (fermentation of fireweed leaves) - a master class (although he took the top off later and put it in mayonnaise buckets)

Barrabas, it's good that even though the girls were on experience, they did not give tea to ruin. I'm worried about how you will dry it all. Even though you have large ovens in your kitchen, you will have to spend more than one hour on this matter. Heroic man! I dry half a day with my one and a half kilograms, and here ...

[lappl1]

lappl1,

[Radushka]

Radushka,

That's interesting. When you worry about YOUR tea, everything is clear. Why do you worry so much so that others can make tea?

How wonderful she said! Indeed, creativity is something very special. How many times have I tried to tell my surroundings about this tea, but alas ... I live among people twirling my fingers at my temple and supporters of "che-steamed-I-and-in-store-buy".
And now like-minded people meet on the forum! Dear ones! I would like to hug and kiss everyone who creates their own tea. Therefore, we are worried about what ours and how it turns out.

And now like-minded people meet on the forum! Dear ones! I would like to hug and kiss everyone who creates their own tea.

[Yessenia]

Good afternoon to all tea lovers Ivan. a week ago I accidentally saw an article about Ivan tea ... and then I got carried away)))) I decided to try it. What was my surprise when I tried it .... how delicious it is !!!! Three days later, the children refused to drink store tea. so take me to your company)). I would be very grateful for advice and, in general, at least support. otherwise my acquaintances look at me as if I were crazy))) and the neighbors started whispering that I was a witch ... After all, lately they see me constantly with an armful of Ivan tea)))

Yessenia, welcome to our tea rows! It's so nice that we have a replenishment every day. And it's especially nice that the kids appreciated my mother's work. then you are doing everything right. Well done ! And do not pay attention to acquaintances. Here, treat them to tea, and they will understand everything.

That's interesting. When you worry about YOUR tea, everything is clear. Why do you worry so much so that others can make tea?

Radushka, yes you know why - we are responsible for those who tamed taught how to make tea. I myself worry about everyone. I really want everyone to succeed!

Lyudochka! Today I smelled the available jars with different experimental teas and made conclusions. And now I can write about my algorithm with peace of mind.

Nastyusha, Thank you dear ! You know how I appreciate your every word! And your today's analysis and description of the algorithm is worth its weight in gold. All newcomers need to read your post several times. Then there will certainly be no questions left.

And she kept her Macho in plastic ...now I can't even smell it - it's just disgusting

Not saved .... Eh ... We have your Macho became a legend. Many have already repeated it.

[lappl1]

lappl1, Tricia, Radushka, thanks for the tips, without your experience, it would be hard to guess at random .. And then somehow internally I am sure that everything will work out)
Radushka, The dry oven is set to t * 180. But today I opened the door and at a certain degree of opening t * kept around 100 * And it also walks with the convention function just like that ..
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lappl1, I did not finish the second batch .. I was worn out in a day of shtot *
only crumpled a quarter in a basin and tamped it into a plastic bucket under oppression, and twisted the rest of the dried raw materials into a bag and put them on sweating .. even wrapped it up with a sheet .. I think it will be fine, tomorrow I will order * ..
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Tricia, thanks for the welcome! I think for a long time I came to tea-makers
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In general, I plan to make from crumpled raw materials after fermentation in the likeness of Chinese pancakes and dry in this way .. I read that any tea is stored in this form for years and dry fermentation takes place inside .. I even found out how the Chinese made these pancakes; put a ball of tea in a rag bag and hit him with their feet with all their weight ..
Wow, I wonder what the result will be))

We have your Macho became a legend.

poke a newbie where to look for a description of the legend, please, if not difficult,

[Barrabas]

Barrabas, Igor, tiled tea must be dried for a very long time. And, as far as I remember, at a low temperature.

somehow internally sure that everything will work out

Of course it will work!

[Barrabas]

Barrabas, Here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=389191.1380 Go see.

[Radushka]

Radushka, I will experiment! ) Such a party is like that, such a kind, then at the same time I will understand which is tastier and how it should be .. So that next summer I would not be ashamed to hand it over to my friends in the form of a present)

Of course it will work!

thanks for the support
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Anatolyevna, Thanks for the link! hairy handsome there))

[Tonya]

Tonya! Thanks for the link! I drove it myself, looked - great photos then turned out. Now May and June Macho look a little different - they had to be pressed a little in cans. But the characteristic elastic rings and waves remained.

I sent my husband to sniff out the cans (already glass).
He reassured that the tea had caught his breath: he says that it smells sweet, the aroma is honey, a little floral, like "the sun and meadow flowers."
And the taste is absolutely not felt sourness, characteristic of Ivanushka, but there is sweetness in both taste and smell. In the near future I will make a photo report. And I will describe the taste. Macho and my husband will taste for a couple, I will also write his opinion.

Barrabas, in fact, there is nothing legendary there, just ordinary loose leaf tea. But so beautifully it turned from sticky twisted leaves into burning black elastic curls-waves ...

Boys and girls, tell me a new thing, I want to try to make an ivanushka with a blackberry. Will it be tasty? And what is better than berries or leaves ?? How tastier it will be and how to make it right? Maybe someone already has experience? And with what other plants does Ivanushka turn out well and tasty? Can I pick raspberry leaves? Strawberry leaves ??? I'm going to the forest, so I have the entire forest reserve at my disposal))

[Yessenia]

Yessenia, I didn't do wanchu because I don't have it yet. But it is said to be good with all other plants. I would not add berries. Made a couple of garden teas. I did not like. And the leaves of the blackberry are similar to cherry.

[Yessenia]

chu try to make ivanushka with blackberry. Will it be tasty? And what is better than berries or leaves ??

Yessenia, it will be very tasty. Don't even hesitate. Only I recommend doing it with leaves, not berries. First, work out the technology with leaves, and then experiment with berries. There are many nuances.
Yes, it is better to freeze blackberry leaves after withering. So they will be better processed in a meat grinder.

And with what other plants does Ivanushka turn out well and tasty? Can I pick raspberry leaves? Strawberry leaves ??? I'm going to the forest, so I have the entire forest reserve at my disposal))

Yessenia, Ivanushka is such a miracle that what you don't do it with, it will turn out great. Have you been into the topic of garden plant tea? Everything that is described in the recipe goes well with Ivanushka. If you haven't seen other tea topics, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with them by following the links:
- Ivan tea (fermentation of fireweed leaves);
- Ivan-tea "White-pink" (from the tops);
- Ivan-tea "Fluffy" (from immature seed bolls);
- Fermented tea made from leaves of garden and wild plants;
- Country tea (fermented) - seven in one;
- Related fermented willow tea with various additives (Galina Iv.);
- Green Ivan tea (Borisenok).

Good lunch everyone!
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Gave the fermented bucket * to our cooks. explained what to do about 10 times probably .. everything ..
Crossing my heel, I go for fluffy tea)))
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summer is comfortable on our street

poke a newbie where to look for a description of the legend, please, if not difficult

Barrabas, now it will be difficult to make a Macho, the leaves have already become very coarse, during the "kneading" almost only leaf veins will remain. The best Macho is obtained from the leaves of June Ivanushka, and not young as in May, but also not tough as in July-August!

[Lucilia]

Lucilia,

it will be difficult to do

yes, it seems already impossible .. all the leaves are tough .. even small ones at the very top
* even more convinced of the cake drying idea)

[Barrabas]

Gave the fermented bucket * to our cooks. I explained what to do 10 times probably .. everything .. I baptize with the heel and go for fluffy tea)))

Barrabas, good hunting and good tea making by the cooks.

* even more convinced of the cake drying idea)

On the forum of treasure hunters, all the men who made tiled tea got moldy inside during storage. I have not yet read their thread to the end, maybe they came up with something. But I think that you need to choose a special drying mode - so as not to overdry (not burn) the upper layers, but at the same time - to dry the inner ones.

[lappl1]

lappl1, I think that tomorrow I will make thin tiles, cm 3 and I will dry them every day for 3 hours for t 60 * for about a week (I have the same routine every day, such a manipulation as clicking the dry heat button will not be difficult)

[Barrabas]

Barrabas, wonderful! I am also interested in this tea. I think many will like it. The main thing is that it is very good. convenient for storage.

[Barrabas]

BarrabasDo you know that you need to dry tea in the oven with the door ajar?

wow! All! took a third of 12 liters of a bucket of dried tea from the dining room ...
In my opinion, it was a little overdried, nevertheless .. Too crispy tea leaves .. dried for 3 hours .. BUT * there is no trace of burnt paper smell * at all ..
I hung up to reach the street ..
And the smell .. The smell !!! Just magical! It smells distantly of dried fruit, but it is very multi-ton, tart and at the same time light, tangled fruity-floral .. The smell of joy * that's for sure! it's a pity not to send it here ... Progress is so close (
I feel and taste will not let you down! I'll brew it today for a test in the evening))

[Barrabas]

Barrabas, Well, thank God! How delicious you described the smells! The main thing is that it is true! I don't think I've dried it out. If overdried, then there would be no such aroma. I have no doubts about the taste either. What did you show us in the photo? Tea in a bucket or bag?
In general, a GOOD MAN !!!! We praise the whole topic!

[lappl1]

lappl1,

And in the photo

this is the already dried one that smells like - from the dining room, it is in a bag made of thin completely air-permeable medical fabric, which the couches are covered with, I cut off the canvas and sewed the bag with a stapler
I'll hang it up for another hour and take it off, otherwise the dew will start to fall out .. Every 10 minutes I stir it gently so that I can take as much humidity from the air as necessary ..
... everything is according to your commandments

[Barrabas]

it is in a bag made of thin, completely air-permeable medical fabric, which is covered with couches, I cut off the canvas and sewed the bag with a stapler

Barrabaswhat a man! Well, he can do everything. Even to sew.
And you need to ventilate well. Will the tea in this bag suffocate?

I propose to "you". Do not mind? You fit into our company so quickly, as if we have been making tea for a long time.