*** yana ***
for me today, for example, the revelation of the day - skiing without baking
Well, she does not have a separate baking program. LG HB-151 JE .... but the stove is good, reliable, the first one of this kind has been rewound for 8 years in koloboks .... this one was bought from hands, new in packaging, but at the price of just one bucket in the service. ....
Alexa13
Quote: *** yana ***

LG HB-151 JE .... but the stove is good, reliable
she, she, darling! clever and hard worker. this one only with jam, no cupcake, and 152nd only with cupcake, no jam. and both without a separate baking program. however, this circumstance does not in the least interfere with baking in it whatever one wants, even a charlotte
*** yana ***
and she also has a cool table according to the programs in the instructions ... everything is written down: when and how much she kneads, twists, lifts ...
mowgli
My Ski is also 2003, plows like dad Carlo on Pinocchio, but there is no baking either))) .. So I'm waiting for her to retire in old age to have a new Miracle ...)))
*** yana ***
no need to wait until she retires .... it is not known how much your new one will work ... now you can't guess, you take a branded, expensive one, and she has a bang, and the bucket leaks the next day, after the warranty is over. ...
mowgli
That's sad ... when I bought HP I didn't even think what it was like for me, but I never had any punctures, it bakes just super, I don't have enough for her to make dough on dumplings, if you do it according to the recipe, you still need to mix it ..
VaiNary
Hello!
Please help me with the choice of a bread machine. I have already read many pages on the forum, but I still cannot make up my mind with the choice: KENWOOD BM 450 or PANASONIC SD-256. I understand that everything is subjective, but can you tell me the pros / cons? Thanks for the advice.
*** yana ***
Quote: VaiNary

Hello!
Please help me with the choice of a bread machine. I have already read many pages on the forum, but I still cannot make up my mind with the choice: KENWOOD BM 450 or PANASONIC SD-256. I understand that everything is subjective, but can you tell me the pros / cons? Thanks for the advice.
I don't even know anymore ... I love my panasonic, and I loved the clathronic, but ugliness is happening with a bucket ...
read here, maybe it will become clear for you ...https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=130141.0
Vacuum
Hello!
There was a need to purchase a bread maker. I tried to figure it out myself in the abundance of information, but still nothing ...
Help with choosing a model for the given requirements:

- so that there are both separate kneading and baking modes
- so that it is at least a little suitable for yeast-free bread too. For this, there must necessarily be a separate "yeast-free" mode, or is it possible to somehow cope without it?
- so that it is convenient to bake all sorts of wisdom (with seeds there, or with dried apricots, or cupcakes). As I understand it, there should be more modes for this, or is it not necessary?
- it is also desirable to understand the functions really, especially to such "connoisseurs" of a foreign language, like me
- and most importantly, to be able to bake at the same time as one large, and several small (at least two).

if not a specific model, then tell me at least how high my requirements are, and do all bread makers have all these parameters at once?
Thanks in advance to everyone who will help a teapot like me. I really hope for a quick answer, because it is itching to buy and start baking.
*** yana ***
Vacuum
so that there are modes as a separate batch,
dough mode (yeast and dumplings)
and baking separately
baking mode
so that it is at least a little suitable for yeast-free bread too
cupcake mode.
so that it is convenient to bake all sorts of wisdom (with seeds there, or with dried apricots,
the presence of a dispenser (optional. in models without it there is a sound signal to add nuts, raisins, etc.)
as I understand, for this there should be more modes, or not necessarily
not necessary . 8 pieces are enough
[and most importantly, to be able to bake at the same time as one large, and several small (at least two).
if it is necessary for two buckets (large or two small).if there is no such need, then in the ovens it is possible to bake bread of different sizes in one bucket .... from 400 to 1000 (1200) grams.
standard requirements. 80% of stoves have such functions. you can select a Yandex market by this request and choose a bread maker on your pocket ...
Rina
Let's go point by point.
1. Separately, the kneading mode and the baking mode are found in almost all modern ovens.
2. "Yeast-free" bread - what is it? Sourdough bread? On chem. baking powder? Cake?
3. With all sorts of intricacies - you don't need a lot of programs. It is enough to have at least one, but "with raisins". If the stove will work in your presence, then you can take any one with this mode - it will give a sound signal so that you open the lid and pour the necessary additives into the bucket. If you want the stove to do everything by itself, then you need to choose a model with a dispenser.
4. Even if the instructions are not clearly legible, the forum will help you with all the questions. Or you will have to use the "scientific poke" method.
5. But to bake one large or two small loaves - this is already very limited choice. There are only a few such models. It may look something like this (the model is German, it is not on our market)
Which bread maker to buy?
*** yana ***
(the model is German, it is not on our market
Tefal OW4002 Dual Home Bake
Gorenje BM900AL
Bork X500
there is some other kenwood
and also with baguettes Moulinex OW 5004
lega
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Tefal OW4002 Dual Home Bake
Gorenje BM900AL
Bork X500
there is some other kenwood

You can add Binatone BM-2169 to the list (two buckets - large and double), our Admin tested and approved it ..

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_content&task=view&id=148&Itemid=158
Sherly
also DAEWOO DI-9154 with two buckets and one also double)))
*** yana ***
I think you still need to understand how much and how often you are going to bake ... so as not to overpay for what you will not use ...
Vacuum
oh, thank you all)
now it's at least roughly clear from what to choose ...
I understand that one of my requirements is rare - to bake only two breads at a time. but unfortunately in our family this is a necessity ...
I will now choose from those available with this function)
*** yana ***
I understand that one of my requirements is rare - to bake only two breads at a time. but unfortunately in our family this is a necessity ...
I will now choose from those available with this function)
this, if these two are necessary at the same time ... you can bake first one, and then the second ... with the same bucket ... here you need to take into account such a moment. both breads baked at the same time must have the same program ... since the ten is common ... and I suspect that the stirrers asynchronously (one rotates and the other does not) do not rotate ... that is, by putting in one bucket let's say white bread, and in the other rye, and choosing the main program, you risk the second ... it will not work ... because the rye dough rises well only once, and the second is bad ... the instructions specifically have this indication: two different breads, but their baking programs must match ...
nata41
Pliiiz, help me choose another x / n !!! I have an old Kenwood BM250, everything would be fine, but the bucket is sick! During kneading, it suddenly starts to rumble, then I turn it off and try to insert it correctly, but it also does not always work out, the torment is shorter ...
Is there a cotton with a different fastening system to insert and not think
Rina
Panasonic
mowgli
Any? or what's newer?
nata41
Quote: Rina

Panasonic
what is the fastening system? Can you compare with Kenwood?
sazalexter
Yeah, if you find Panasonic SD-ZB 2502, SD-2500WXC, SD-2501WXC, but you can do any
mowgli
And what's new in these Panasonic? there is no faq in others?
sazalexter
nata41 Bayonet system, with fastening from below, inserted and turned by 10-15 * and that's it
nata41
Quote: sazalexter

Yeah, if you find Panasonic SD-ZB 2502, SD-2500WXC, SD-2501WXC, but you can do any
I'll find it! Can you explain the mounting system?
mowgli
I read it - nothing fundamentally new, just plus jam and for some reason a compote)))), probably the Japanese do not know how to cook compote))) in a saucepan))), Maybe I still haven't understood?
nata41
Quote: mowgli

I read it - nothing fundamentally new, just plus jam and for some reason a compote)))), probably the Japanese do not know how to cook compote))) in a saucepan))), Maybe I still haven't understood?
I definitely don't need the compote to fix the bucket properly !!! Tell us what you know about it
If I had a store nearby, I would go and open everything and touch it, but can you really understand in the picture on the internet ???
sazalexter
nata41 It seems much clearer
From the left HP from the right - bucket
mowgli
Yes, I have also chosen a stove for almost a year now, instead of the old "ski", so I wonder who will tell what ..))) So far I realized that Panasonic is not safer, but my Ski has been plowing for years without repairs and does not want to retire, here I think what else I do not have ..)))
Sens
Which bread machine can be recommended for rye and rye-wheat (rye flour> 60%) yeast and sourdough bread?
as I assume it will be a programmable model ...
I ask for advice!
Rina
In Panasonic I put the bucket and turned it a little - no clamps, no clicks. It looks like the bucket is dangling in the bread maker. But due to a certain massiveness of the bucket itself and a sufficiently deep coupling of the engine shaft and bucket parts, there are simply no jumps or departures of the bucket.
*** yana ***
Which bread machine can be recommended for rye and rye-wheat (rye flour> 60%) yeast and sourdough bread?
there is simply a rye program in many ovens, but there is not enough time to rise ... and no automatic program is suitable for starter cultures at all ... but you can easily bake bread manually from two programs.
*** yana ***
Quote: sazalexter

Delivery from the USA will cost only 10-14 thousand rubles
Or Delongy 125

why in Sochi? delivery from USA? can be found closer ...
Allegra
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why in Sochi? delivery from USA? can be found closer ...
and where?
*** yana ***
Quote: Allegra

and where?
in your Novosibirsk for example ...
*** yana ***
Programmable bread makers
Delonghi BDM 125S
Kenwood BM 450
Bork BM500
Binatone BM-2169
Daewoo DI-9154
Gorenje BM 1400 E
Orion OBM-205
some more new loretti appeared ...
choose from those that you offer .....
sazalexter
*** yana *** From this list, it is normally programmed ( with one batch)
only
Delonghi BDM 125S
and Zojirushi-BB-CEC20

*** yana ***
Quote: sazalexter

*** yana *** From this list, it is normally programmed ( with one batch)
only
Delonghi BDM 125S
and Zojirushi-BB-CEC20
why? in Kenwood BM 450
Steps - stages of "Favorite programs"
Step Action Factory setting Available parameters
1 Prev. heating 0 min. 0 - 60 minutes
2 Kneading 1 3 min. 0 - 10 minutes
3 Kneading 2 22 min. 0 - 30 minutes
4 Ascent 1 20 min. 20 - 30 minutes
5 Kneading 3 15 min. Doesn't change if
Rise 2 = 0, no kneading
6 Ascent 2 30 min. 0 - 120 min.
7 Kneading 4 15 min. Does not change if Rise 3 = 0,
there will be no kneading
8 Ascent 3 50 min. 0 - 120 min.
9 Bake 60 min. 0 - 90 minutes
10 Warming up 60 min. 0 - 60 minutes
total: when mixing 1 in 10 minutes. we have up to 270 minutes on the rise (4.5 hours) and up to 90 minutes of baking ...
Or am I wrong?

I don’t know about the Delongues. I did not find the specified parameters, but I did not come across on sale ...
sazalexter
*** yana *** Clarify
First, let's read the updated translation
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=6173.0
programmable modes P1 - P5.

1. Temperature equalization - 0 min. (0 - 60 min.).
2. Kneading 1 = 3 min. (0 - 10 min.).
3. Kneading 2 = 22 min. (0 - 30 min.).
4. Ascent 1 = 20 min. (20 - 60 min.).
5. Mix 3 = 15 sec.
Mix 3 mode always 15 sec. and turns on if the Ascent 2 time is selected more than 0 min.
6. Ascent 2 = 30 min. (0 - 2 hours).
7. Kneading 4 = 15 sec.
Mix 4 mode always 15 sec. and turns on if the Ascent 3 time is selected more than 0 min.
8. Ascent 3 = 50 min. (0 - 2 hours).
9. Baking = 60 min. (0 - 1h 30min.).
10. Heating = 60 min. (0 - 60 min.).
Maximum dough rise time in Kenwood 450
is 300 minutes or 5 hours,
with two short-term boning of 15 seconds
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=6173.0
*** yana ***
sazalexter
Maximum dough rise time in Kenwood 450
is 300 minutes or 5 hours,
for rye with sourdough is enough for me. they didn't tell me about boning. but boning is not kneading. in Panasonic, boning is three times the scapula barely twitched ...
And does Kenwood have automatic heating on the rise?
Sens
I tend to buy from America Breadman TR2500
... .... Like Pakat .... with $ 230 delivery.
Your opinion?
We must summon Pakat here and uncover everything from him ...

who buy with me?
*** yana ***
I thought you'd throw a link to Zojirushi
and if you look outside the CIS, what else besides Zojirushi is nothing else to choose from? maybe we don't know something?
Rina
Sens, and do you have the appropriate power supply for ordering equipment from America?
*** yana ***
I've read so much today about these "programmable" stoves ..... all this bullshit somehow frivolous. especially since I have already agreed with my pasonic how ANY bread, oven
Sens
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I've read so much today about these "programmable" type stoves ..... all this bullshit somehow frivolous. especially since I have already agreed with my pasonic how ANY bread, oven

Yana, why "type" programmable ??? why bullshit?

Here's the point .... so that you don't have to "negotiate"!

I want to load the rye flour, help mix it up and leave ... Actually, this is the original meaning and idea of ​​all robotic devices - a bread machine, a saucepan, a vacuum cleaner ...

besides Zojirushi not much else to choose from? maybe we don't know something?

How do you like the Breadman TR2500?

Rina , with the tension of an ambush, kaneshn ... but, it seems, it can be solved ... it seems that we discussed it on the forum, but I don’t remember where ..
*** yana ***
why "type" programmable ??? why bullshit?
expected more from them ... they turn out to be conditionally programmable ... and those that where the hell overseas, fly into a penny ... but do they have spare parts and service?
I prefer technicians to assistants rather than hemorrhoidsconfusion on your head ...
sazalexter
Quote: Allegra

I know that. I thought you'd throw a link to Zojirushi
I threw it higher, I found delivery via bikers on the internet cheaper, look through Yandex and Google
tanyuxa
Good day.
Now everyone is immersed in the choice of a bread machine. After reading many topics and reviews, I first tuned in to Binaton 2170, but soon changed my mind and decided to opt for Orion OBM-24. Tell me if it is worth the money or can you advise what is better - the limit is 1000 UAH (120 ye).
I will be very grateful.
DenRassk
After reading many topics and reviews, I first tuned in to Binaton 2170, but soon changed my mind and decided to opt for Orion OBM-24
I may not understand what, but Binaton 2170 this is (in my opinion) a multicooker I was not mistaken - this is a multicooker + a bread maker, and Orion is a bread maker and somehow it is not entirely correct to choose between them - the devices are completely different.
You write better than what you are going to do with them ... and perhaps then it will be easier to advise something.

Binaton is a more functional apparatus than Orion, but will you use it all ...? And how convenient it is ...
Here is a topic about her https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=128998.0

Externally and functionally, Orion is similar to my Supra 355 (even the dispenser is the same), so check out this thread:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=120774.0
we drove it there in all positions and posted a lot of photos of the resulting bread with recipes, I think Orion will get something similar.
(do not think that I advise mine ... but it's worth a closer look)
Nevertheless, the topic about this Orion is here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=97097.0

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