Stationary dough mixer

I am also torn between GASTRO QF-3470 (600 W), Bosh 8400 (1400 W) and Krups KA 9027 (1200 W).
If you can get comprehensive information on the last 2 on the Internet, then not everything is so clear about GASTRO.
Confused and the declared power gastro = 0.6 kW.
Can you tell me which of the 3 devices is preferable for large and small volumes of dough mixing and in terms of upgrade and availability of service centers. As well as reliability and quality of performance.

PS: Is GASTRO QF-3470 itself made of plastic or metal?
What is its maximum engine speed?
How is the build quality, maybe something creaks, dangles, is there any confidence that something will not fall off under large and prolonged loads, or does it always feel like send it into space :-)?
I am about confidence in the future :-)

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Confused and the declared power gastro = 0.6 kW.
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GASTRO QF-3470 power from 600 to 1000 W. automatically adjusted depending on the load.
There are five speeds.
GASTRO manufactures cafe appliances, this is their smallest model.

[Bolek32]

Bolek32 , why should you be torn?
Bosch and Krups is much more serious than Gastro.
If finances permit, Krups is better. Although in Boch, as in a combine, there are more functions.
I really don't know if you have the Krups service in Belarus.

And Gastro, if you can't afford Bosch, and even more so Krups ...

Thank you for participating.
Everything happened by itself. With GASTRO, everything turned out to be fiction, the product itself is actually not there, so the picture on the Internet and the inscription that this is a store and everything is there ... in short, just killed 4 days of time :-(.
With Krups, we have no service, I phoned in advance and found out that only coffee grinders from krups are able to repair with us, and then, if it happened that the amba and additional accessories where to get it is not clear, therefore, Bosch 8400 remained, and took it. Brought today at 18 o'clock. I muddied the Easter pie today, then dumplings with fish, onions and carrots, then homemade noodles, in short everything is OK. Now I will think about what additional accessories you need to purchase first of all :-)

[Bolek32]

Bolek32 , congratulations - a great choice. Good luck!

I looked at KM 3067 Klatronic in Auchan. It costs more than 2 thousand, and in addition to the mixer there is a meat grinder. the seller said that he had no planetary motion. It looks so simple that the mixer walks in a circle.
Again in thought.

[Lena]

Lena, what is there to think about, if you want a good steep dough, then the kneader must be powerful enough and have a planetary mixer drive for good mixing. The presence of a knife (scraper) for the bowl separating the dough will not be superfluous.

4. Dumplings for the seamer are different,
from me (I don't remember the prices, about 700 - 1200 rubles each).
- Ravioli 2x2cm.
- Rectangular 10x2 cm.
- Small chebureks 10x4 cm.
- Semicircular dumplings 3 cm.

And what about your progress with dumplings, ravioli? Does it work? In the topic about dough sheeters, they write that no one has achieved good results with the raviolnitsa.

[Natay]

Natay, I have not read. And what doesn't work there?
The difficulty with seamers (not with dough sheeters) I had with minced meat, it needs to be rolled out evenly like the dough and its thickness selected.
I have attachments - Atlas 150 and a dough mixer Atlas.

[Lena]

Lena, what is there to think about, if you want a good steep dough, then the kneader must be powerful enough and have a planetary mixer drive for good mixing. It will not be superfluous to have a knife (scraper) for the bowl separating the dough.

Bosch, Kitchenade, Silva (?), Kenwood, Gastro ... what else?
I want to draw up a table for myself, maybe it will come in handy for someone else, so that it would be more convenient to choose.

[Natay]

Natay, I have not read. And what doesn't work there?
The difficulty with seamers (not with dough rolling machines) I had with minced meat, it needs to be rolled out evenly like the dough and its thickness should be adjusted.
I have attachments - Atlas 150 and dough mixer Atlas.

Well, they write that the ravioli are semi-empty, the minced meat gets not only in the ravioli, and in general those who bought the ravioli do not use it at all, but continue with their pens. So I'm interested in whether you use it or not? I also did not dare to buy an Atlas-150 raviolnitsa, and I did not see any attachments for semicircular dumplings and pasties at all.

[Lena]

Lena, I think in Ukraine it is necessary to acquire Kenwood or Bosch from these firms. If Kenwood is too expensive, then Bosch.
There is a large lineup, you can collect $ and buy MUM right away
8th series, you can have something from the 4th, there are cheaper and more expensive.

The 8th series does not shine for me. Expensive (I'd rather buy an e-book for that kind of money)
I stopped at a Bosch 47A-1. And then I will assemble as a designer, or maybe I will buy what I need (a meat grinder) as a separate device.
I'm afraid I'm taking risks with Silva, of course she can work 10 years or more. What if you don't get lucky?

P.S. Our "Mriya", a product of UMZ, has been working for me for 22 years.
Everything is whole. I use a meat grinder, a tomato juicer, a mixer, a coffee grinder. I almost never use a blender, except sometimes for mayonnaise, but the glass is superb (cosm. Technologies).
Graters are disgusting. The juicer for hard fruits and vegetables is not used.
It's time to find a replacement for her.

Well, they write that the ravioli are semi-empty, the minced meat goes not only in the ravioli ...

There is such a joke with ravioli, I rarely use them, the minced meat and dough need to be rolled out in a very thin layer and the minced meat should be cut into leaves the width of a pack of cigarettes, and if you want to avoid pressing the minced meat into the edges, then you need to put each of its pieces separately.
Attachments for semicircular dumplings and pasties do not use a lot of dough, sending it to cuttings, which I do not like.
As a result, I use a rectangular seaming shape, getting ready-made dumplings at the exit, like a machine-gun belt.

And what is planetary mixing and what is it for, i.e. what dough will not work without it at all?

The planetary gear is just an addition to the mixing process. the hook spins around itself and around the cup. How our planet revolves around the sun on its own and solar axis. I think that in a regular mixer with sufficient power everything will mix, but with a planetary it is better

[Lyubasha]

Lyubasha, I remember that you took your mixer in Nakerman.
Quite a long time has passed, how are your impressions of him?

This one, in my opinion:

still good. Mixes perfectly. Whips too. No complaints.

If a mixer, then definitely Kenwood. Here are all metal parts, and planetary mixing, and 4 nozzles (there is even a flexible one especially for creams), and the power is high (and the power that is written on Kenwoods is nominal, and not maximum, as they write on other brands for advertising). And they can work indefinitely, since the motor is constantly cooled by coolers.

I won't argue about Kenwood, I don't know. But I don't need a professional mixer. I don't bake anything on an industrial scale. For a single batch is enough. And the cost is 5 times lower than Kenwood is a clear plus. So, to each his own. Someone rides a Mercedes, and someone else is quite happy with VAZ

Kenwood also seems to have a series of Kmix and Prospero (just a household one), their price is just at the level of VAZ))

Girls, tell me, the task is to buy something like a stationary mixer, like the Gastro QF-3470 or Kenwood KM 260. There is a large harvester (though 12 years old), there is a hand mixer, but you need an apparatus for making a small amount of dough or beating (by hand It is inconvenient to do this with a mixer, you have to keep it).I wanted to buy Gastro but bad luck - it is not available in any online store. If anyone uses Kenwood, please share your impressions? And can someone tell me about some other models similar to these. Budget 6-7 tons.

Vlad426 for a small amount of Gastro QF-3470 dough will be too big for this big kneader, and Kenwood KM 260 will be what you need.

I also struggled with this question for a long time: which one to buy for kneading a small amount of dough? At first I bought a stationary mixer Gorenje with a capacity of 400W, it works well, but when kneading a thick dough it starts to "jump". at the bottom ... In Nekerman I also looked and already wanted to order, but then Kenwood KM 260 turned up for me at a very reasonable price (1050 UAH along with delivery from Germany) I took it and was very happy, kneaded the dough for bread (it might seem even better than in HP) for cakes and pies everything mixes perfectly

Girls, I wanted to buy myself a Kenwood Prospero 266, but the familiar head of the service center of a large network dissuaded, because there are many returns. This series does not want to work ...

For the sake of interest, I went to the local service center, where Kenwood is being repaired, when I gave a hint about the KM series models - they immediately showed me a shelf where there were as many as 8 devices of this series. They say that if this particular device is really needed, then take only the KM260 model (since this model is not equipped with any additional attachments (meaning a blender, juicers, etc.), respectively, less load. But in this case , they say “Think carefully before you buy!” And yesterday in the local Metro I saw a Gastro standing on a shelf among all kinds of slicers and other kitchen monsters of the same company at a price of 5600-00 (probably waiting for me). Gastro QF-3470, tell me how this machine copes with small volumes (for example, beat time for 300 grams of butter, or semi-liquid dough for 300 grams of flour, etc.) The bowls of Gastro and Kenwood are almost the same, according to reviews Kenwood copes with small volumes with a bang, normal reviews on Gastro did not find.

The Kenwood KM Chef and Major series definitely have no returns, because it differs significantly from Prospero, and thanks to the planetary mixing system, it can really handle any volume (inside and out). And Gastro is strictly for professional use, and the quality is appropriate, but how practical it is in everyday life - you may not even find such reviews ...

Guys, tell me, is there a difference if you knead a small amount of dough (one loaf for example) in a bowl of large volume or less? That is, a 5L or 3L bowl? Or should it mix equally well? (I choose between the Bosches).
And another question, can anyone tell me which Bosch model (or maybe there is one in Kenwood) has the minimum of everything? I, in fact, are only interested in the mixer itself, so to speak, no other bells and whistles are necessary.

There is a Prospero series in Kenwood, mines like the KM260, it is a dough mixer, and the price is not exorbitant. Chef KM010, already metal, like a professional one for the home, 4.5L bowl, 5 attachments for working with the dough, and it is accordingly more expensive

There is a Prospero series in Kenwood, mines like the KM260, it is a dough mixer, and the price is not exorbitant. Chef KM010, already metal, like a professional one for the home, 4.5L bowl, 5 attachments for working with the dough, and it is accordingly more expensive

yeah, thank you, since I have thrown this question here a long time ago - I managed to decide on the Wishlist :-) - Kenwut Chief 010 or 020 :-)
True, in Europe there seem to be some kind of Boman (purely dough mixers) - around 90 euros, but in Ukrainian. I didn't find the internet, and really, I don't know how they are for quality ..

Today I was delivered from Neckermanna, Silva harvester, I will test it. The appearance is certainly very impressive ...

but in Ukrainian. I didn't find the internet, and really, I don't know how they are for quality ..

and what are they? - is it a stand mixer with a bowl?
... by the way, if you need a purely kneader, then in general it makes sense to take a high-quality but simple bakery, from the same Kenwood. I'm kneading the dough in my old hp)

I'm kneading the dough in my old hp)

So my question is, which HP from the budget (up to $ 100) implements the dough kneading function better? What do you recommend?

So my question is, which HP from the budget (up to $ 100) implements the dough kneading function better? What do you recommend?

It seems to me that the quality of hp is excellent, and already every reliable manufacturer has a model of an economical version, without bells and whistles and other things)

So my question is, which HP from the budget (up to $ 100) implements the dough kneading function better? What do you recommend?

This model from the budget kneads the dough well, I checked it myself more than once https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=120774.0

I want to know if it is possible to mix minced meat with such a mixer?
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Or is it possible only with a combine like Bosch MUM?

I want to know if it is possible to mix minced meat with such a mixer?
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Or is it possible only with a combine like Bosch MUM?

His power is small. How are you going to get it from Estonia?

I live here in Tallinn. This store is not far from me.

I live here in Tallinn. This store is not far from me.

And in this store I drool on the electrolux dough mixer assistant.
This is the best that can be, but unfortunately it is not available to us. Even in Finland, for some reason they don't sell.

Well, maybe someone doesn't know. Assistant is sold in Russia 🔗

[natalisha_31]

After the breakdown of the mixer in the summer, the question arose of buying a new one. Our Savior natalisha_31- Natasha, who told me, is ignorant, about such stationary mixers and advised to buy a Zelmer mixer. I obeyed and bought my Zyamochka in a pair for the existing meat grinder.
Well, I will not sing praises about the mixer itself, I can only say that it turned out to be an order of magnitude better to beat the whites. But the bowl ...
Yesterday I baked another Tropikanka, choux dough for 6 eggs. Previously, everything was kneaded by hand, hands fell off. Sobssno, for the sake of this test, a mixer with a bowl was purchased.
So yesterday I was a hero of the Soviet Union !!! I cook cream on the stove, and you yourself know to break eggs into a bowl !!! The beauty!!!!!!!!! I was happy yesterday !!!!

Here is the dough I made, just super!
The only small negative is noisy when the bowl turns. But I'm ready to endure.

Svetta, I also have my eyes on Zelmer. Tired of using it manually. So you're happy? What is this recipe? Is that a biscuit?

[custard dough there]

Yesterday I baked another Tropikanka, custard dough there for 6 eggs. Previously, everything was kneaded by hand, hands fell off. Sobssno, for the sake of this test, a mixer with a bowl was purchased.

Yes, I'm happy so far. Yesterday I again made a similar custard dough, twisted my Zyamochka as cute!

[Mixer Electrolux DLX-N24 Assistent]

I am now choosing a planetary, powerful mixer-dough mixer. Intensive work awaits ... including noodle dough ... it is known to be the tightest.

Found useful information-review about Mixer Electrolux DLX-N24 Assistent Not in favor KitchenAid... What surprised me? I have never heard anything negative about KitchenAid... Maybe a provocation - I don't know ... read it ...
I quote:
"Advantages: durable, powerful, easy to clean, timer and adjustable power scale
Disadvantages: Roller arm does not lock in place, roominess is exaggerated

I use a mixer Electrolux DLX-N24 Assistent for almost five years now. I use it almost every day for pretty much everything from making bagels to whipping cream. It's multifunctional! Many people praise the Electrolux DLX-N24 Assistent mixer, and I absolutely agree with them, but still I have a couple of objections: when I tried to make a lot of dough for baking bread, I ran into a problem - the dough came out over the top and was hammered into the lever - therefore I am skeptical about the claims of manufacturers that you can make a dough for 8 loaves of bread at a time; and secondly,the instructions say that you can fix the roller lever at a certain distance from the edge of the bowl, that would be great, but, in fact, even if you fix the position of the lever, this is only enough for a few revolutions of the bowl, as a result, you need to constantly adjust the position lever throughout the whole process of kneading the dough, it is a little inconvenient, a certain drawback made in the design of the device. Still, despite all these drawbacks, I love the versatility and power of the mixer (in my experience - I have had two KitchenAid Professionals mixers burned out while making bagels; which I think says a lot about the quality of KitchenAid mixers, and not about the difficulty of making bagels). The presence of a timer is an excellent feature, as well as an adjustable rotation speed scale. A plastic bowl with paddles is essential (although it's worth noting that the bowl and paddles worked great in my old KitchenAid mixers), but I have never used any other accessories. Despite all the flaws and shortcomings, I think this is the best mixer I have ever had, and thanks to its strength and power, it may be the last mixer I bought. The Electrolux DLX-N24 Assistant mixer is worth the money spent on it! ..... "What do you think - a plausible review?" Removed "from the existing store ...
I just choose between
KitchenAidit has a power of 300W, but it has a belt drive,
Bosch MUM 84MP1,
Mixer table planetary B 5A 5l, JeJu,
Kitchen machine Kenwood KM020 MAJOR with impulse power of 1.500W,
Kenwood KM010 CHEF - 1.400W ...
spacecraft (both in terms of performance and price) planetary mixer Teady manufacturer Denmark - low noise
tabletop planar GAM GM5Italy, I really liked this model from a visual analysis,
Fimar K5 Italians again.
Everything is expensive, but in my opinion here is a list of the strongest machines for intensive work at home, laboratory or mini-bakery.

Please share information about working in practice. Which one to give preference? I'm already confused in the choice. Of course, I want to take it at a more stable price.

I can give information on each in more detail.

marianna-aga is a nickname in LJ of a great lover of baking bread, the assistant also praised the electrolux very much. I changed it to Kitchen Aid. But he is more of a dough mixer, so you need to decide for what purposes the mixer will be used more. The Kenwoods are nice but noisy. I would not consider Italy at all - they do beautiful things, but short-lived.

But he's more of a dough mixer

This is exactly what I need !!! Current, I can't decide which one to choose ...

The Kenwoods are good, but noisy ...

Yes ? And I was already beginning to look sideways in the direction of Kenwood ...

[KitchenAid]

They all make a loud noise, incl. KitchenAid. Teady only works quietly.

The offered Italian firms are reliable. This is me in a food equipment store, so there are certain standards for this category. I really liked these models. They are very powerful in small size ..

Gam, Italy GAM GM5 price limits 6.600gr

Desktop mixer is designed for kneading yeast dough with high humidity, whipping creams ...........
All organs in contact with the product are made of food grade stainless steel.
A visible protective cover on the bowl is provided.
Step regulation of the speed of rotation of the working body.
The kit includes a whisk, hook, spatula.
Material: aluminum, st. steel
Body - painted steel.
There is a safety microswitch on the bowl lid;
The mixer is equipped with a removable bowl, quick-release attachment of working tools and a 3-speed switch.
The advantage of these mixers is a high whipping speed, simplicity and reliability of the design, combined with an affordable price.
Specifications:
Speed ​​controller 108-355 rpm;
overall dimensions, mm - 400x250x310;
voltage, V - 220;
power, W - 750;
volume, l - 4.6
weight, kg - 9.8.

Bench mixer SIRMAN MARTE LT 5 5.060gr
Specifications:
model with a speed variator 84-500 rpm;
overall dimensions, mm - 382x284x434;
voltage, V - 220;
power, W - 1.5;
bowl volume, l - 5.


I'm still looking. I feel Ebay, Shipito .... Someone ordered to Ukraine through these systems?

Also puzzled by the search for a kneader, I found the Italian model Marcato Pasta Fresca in the open spaces. With attachments for rolling out dough for noodles, but this is not the main thing that tempts that very steep dough on dumplings, ravioli, productivity is 10 kg per hour. Only now I don't understand how it works, because the picture on the Internet is disgusting.
Can anyone have it? share your impressions

[Nikolaevna]

Also puzzled by the search for a kneader

Nikolaevna, about kneaders we have separate topic , maybe you will find something interesting for yourself ...

As I already wrote, I really like the Bork stationary mixer, with a planetary system for rotating the nozzles. this is when the nozzles, in addition to rotating around their axis, still move along the perimeter of the bowl. I think he will knead the dough well. yet, unlike the Bosch of the same, it has internal parts of steel, so it is more reliable. and beautiful;)