Guzel62
Well, here I also baked some bread. Tall, tasty, with a crispy crust. You can be stunned! By the way, I baked for the first time in my life (bread). Thanks for the recipe and help.
Bread without kneading in the Shteba pressure cooker

Bread without kneading in the Shteba pressure cooker

Do not think that it is not baked. It's just that I'm such a photographer. And then she cut it hot and the knife was dull (like a mistress). It hurts to wait.
Bijou
Guzel62how bright! You didn't feed him with sugar by any chance?
And we continue to eat about this bread. At least according to this recipe. Like the whole variety of yeast products - a little more than one, a little less than the other, a little differently kneaded or distances and it turns out an option honed to the smallest detail, suitable specifically for the owners.

It turned out that if there is a place to knead the initial dough, the result will be tastier, so now our everyday bread from Shteba cannot be called "pure".)) But it still has no sugar and there is very little yeast, which is why fermentation with regular folding into container is very slow, and the bread is therefore very tasty. Personally, I am very grateful to this first recipe, which turned out to be "edible" (despite the long-term presence of a Panasonic bread machine in the family).

Guzel62, who knows, maybe something similar will take root in your family.
In the meantime, I sincerely congratulate you on a successful attempt - such that for the first time in my life and immediately delicious, it is very rare, really, really!
Guzel62
Yes, I forgot to add that I put more flour (about half a glass more) and a couple of tbsp. tablespoons of corn grits. The dough all the time seemed very liquid (like pancakes), maybe it should be so, but it seemed to me that something was wrong. It took me 7 hours before the first folding, then it came up again (after 1.5 hours), folded it again (although it was folded loudly. It was very liquid and I just folded it from side to side, and it spread), put in the bowl of Shteba and proofing for another 1 hour. Baked 30 + 13. So in 10 hours the bread was ready. The recipe contains almost a day (and even more), but mine is relatively fast. I don't know if this is correct, but it turned out like this. Thanks again for the recipe, very tasty. I think I will try again, because I do not have HP and baking other bread is still unattainable for me.
Bijou
Guzel62, and flour is still very different in moisture capacity. Previously, I made a regular dough from a proportion of 500 flour 330 water, and with the last bought bag I pour water 350-360 and normal.))

Corn grits also contributed - they do not form gluten, but take up space.) So you can safely reduce the water a little and see if you like the result.

For me, this method also takes about 10 hours - yet, with a day, the smell is slightly sour. That is, I sometimes leave the dough overnight, but this is when, soon after kneading, I folded it once or twice and stuffed it into the refrigerator.

If interested, I will look for another description of my daily bread, which logically follows from this recipe. There is less water, little yeast and a lot of folding.)) It turns out not so liquid and rubbery.
But there are still many delicious breads in the world that you want to bake, so you still have a whole carload of delicious attempts ahead!
Crochet
Quote: Bijou
If interesting

You ask !!!

How interesting!

Tell me Lenus ?!
Anna1957
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If interesting,
Of course it's interesting. You have everything interesting to me
Bijou
Here are the ones on ... I w; and forgot about that conversation.))

In short, the story is like this.
I have a familiar forum member with increased attention to the test. That is, he wants to know what, how and why something turns out from each other.He knows all kinds of words and enzymes by name ... In short, a smart guy.

Bijusya stumbled upon his links to pure bread, was inspired, and immediately began to experiment. Dovooolnaya such a result, proud. Straight craftswoman! And he looks at my pictures and sympathizes.

Well, it stuck me. She began to experiment in every way, until she got the result for which she was praised.
And the conclusion from all this: unmixed bread is good, but kneaded bread is better.

Now I'm kneading Panasonic. Somehow kneads from old age. In principle, I can do the same with a spoon in a bowl.) That is, when kneading, gluten is undeveloped from the word at all. And it's lazy to knead on the table for a long time. Although it took place - when you knead with slaps on the table at least five hundred coups.))

Here is one of the first loaves of bread without kneading at all:
Bread without kneading in the Shteba pressure cooker
The crust is dull, the crumb is rubber, the films are rough and thick.
In this topic, the bread is about from those times, if I'm not mistaken.

Or here's another nightmare:
Bread without kneading in the Shteba pressure cooker
***

Here is some bread with some kind of kneading - the crust is more edible. There was some kind of mixing. The crust is several times thinner, the smell is correct, the crumb is elastic and much softer.
Bread without kneading in the Shteba pressure cooker

Well, in the end I learned how to get bread with such thin films. This photo seems to be from the oven, like the previous ones.
Bread without kneading in the Shteba pressure cooker

The meaning of the test is as follows:
Combined ingredients. In HP, kneaded or spatula in a bowl hastily. They let me stand. But don't get up! As the dough has grown up - take it by the edges and put it in the middle. And so on in a circle until the dough gathers into a ball. Covered - set aside. Soon again. And more, and more ... After 3-5 times, you can calm down and put the container with the dough in the refrigerator overnight, take it out the next day, let it warm up, carefully throw it on again and put it in the form to rise. With the initial folds, we set the direction for the development of gluten (because in a simply unchangeable one, it is too lazy to build the correct frame, remaining chaotic), and in the refrigerator, the dough ripens, enriched with aromas from fermentation, the yeast does not ferment, as in the original recipe of the unchanged dough in 12-24 hours, part of the sugars from the flour, obtained during the fermentation, remains for "eating up" the yeast during the final proofing.

Then I got tired of the refrigerator. It's cool enough here, the dough heats up for a long time, and I realized that a simple long standing in the room for bread "for every day" would be enough for me. But I have it possible to fold the dough during the day, and not everyone is so lucky. I will say one thing - if the dough managed to rise well, then this is bad. The whole tsimus is that only it grew a little - we folded it. Grew up again - again folded in a circle. Without trampling, of course. As soon as we have a rather large bun in our hands, and the dough begins to squeak when it is thrown, it's ready, we throw it into a mold.

I have this bowl of Shteba, so all this offtop is quite inside the topic.))
And I get this kind of bread every day.
Bread without kneading in the Shteba pressure cooker

Bread without kneading in the Shteba pressure cooker

* Compare with the original: *
Bread without kneading in the Shteba pressure cooker

It is often higher, when even a Redmond grill is difficult to put on top, and the roll sticks to its piece of iron. But I'm not really chasing that.

It does not get boring at all, for those who do not bake bread at home, it seems extremely tasty, it smells like bread, not yeast, it turns out to be very stable and does not require much attention. In short, a balanced economy option.)) For this is a pound of flour, 340 gr. water (with variations plus or minus depending on the flour), a spoonful of oil and half or slightly less than a small spoonful of HP - dry yeast. If pressed, then about 1 gr.

If anyone wanted to read this to the end, then I did not force him to torture, it is their own fault. If someone is not kind, but only looked at the pictures - and thanks for that.

In short, I now distribute the sweet dough in about the same way - I took it out of the HP, put it in a container, threw it in several approaches and forward to cutting. But you can't keep sweets for a long time - the yeast will devour sugar.

By the same principle, the dough on khachapuri, only a little more moist, a little more yeast and a shorter lead, so as not to be too rubbery.It's the same - focaccia in my princess or pizza (also a little wetter, so that it is easier to stretch).

But in principle, I am not a "baker from God" at all - alas, I was not so lucky. ((
Anna1957
This is what I understand - REPORT I respect when a person expounds so competently and with arguments, confirmed by a photo. Are there any peculiarities for the test center?
Bijou
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Are there any peculiarities for the CB test?
Believe it or not, I never did it.
Mine are pretty conservative in their habits - I'll cook something else, my husband says "it's delicious, but can you cook your usual one tomorrow?"
Anna1957
Quote: Bijou

Believe it or not, I never did it.
Mine are pretty conservative in their habits - I'll cook something else, my husband says "it's delicious, but can you cook your usual one tomorrow?"
I'll believe you're all skinny there. And here you are looking, dodging
lana light
Quote: Bijou
In HP, kneaded or spatula in a bowl hastily. They let me stand. But don't get up! As the dough has grown - we take it by the edges and put it in the middle. And so on in a circle until the dough gathers into a ball. Covered - set aside. Soon again. And more, and more ... After 3-5 times, you can calm down and put the container with the dough in the refrigerator overnight, take it out the next day, let it warm up, carefully throw it on again and put it in the form to rise.
For me, as a working hostess, baking is irrelevant in the morning. But then an idea came up - what if you keep in the refrigerator not overnight, but almost a day? That is, I kneaded it in the evening before going to bed, baked it the next night right after coming home from work. Won't overwhelm the dough?
OlgaGera
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if you keep in the refrigerator not overnight, but almost a day?
Sveta, I knead a double portion and keep it in the refrigerator. Bread made from dough, which has stood in the refrigerator for three days, tastes better)))
I do the current without oil.
Bijou
Quote: Lana's Light
Won't overwhelm the dough?
No. But if suddenly this happened, then it will be clear to you that it has stood in the warmth for too long in front of the refrigerator. Next time, reduce the time and that's it.)) I won't tell you the exact time - everyone has their own conditions and habits.

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Bread made from dough, which has stood in the refrigerator for three days, tastes better)))
But it didn't suit me. ((The best seems to be bread, in which a third or a half of this "refrigerated", and the rest of the dough is not cooled - bread after refrigerated fermentation seems frankly sweet to me, so I can't eat straight. Under pizza, in which it doesn't matter sweetish tomatoes in sauce, okay, but like bread - nope ... Some kind of sugary, or something.

I don't even like the smell ... Just now I remember that there was bread with a similar aroma in Soviet times!
OlgaGera

Bijou
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And this is for flour.
Why did it happen??))
OlgaGera
Bijou
OlgaGera, if there were complaints about a different smell on different flours, I would not say that I don’t like bread from the refrigerator.)) Do I really look so illogical?
OlgaGera
Lena, oops ... I talked about my experience, I'm sorry I got into your topic
Bijou
OlgaGera, Say it too .. I'm just in favor of a chat. Moreover, she herself long ago moved away from this bread, having taken out of it a more traditional one.
Katko
I also try to do it))
Bread without kneading in the Shteba pressure cooker
I baked on Zharka, it was nekalya to look ... maybe in DD2 on what other prog should I bake?
Bijou
Katko, oops ... And I don't see what I'm doing here!
Figase you have Fry! Didn't you put sugar in by any chance? Such a blush is dear and expensive.

And I recently baked too, and also on the Zharka, but it turned out so pale that it was just horror. ((And inside it’s like half-baked. I also have a second Shteba. I haven’t tried any other bread programs, but I should. At 0.7, which Duc and it can burn ... I put it for 1 minute after overturning and after going into the heating, something terrible shows, almost at 300 degrees.
Katko
Bijou, nope, no sugar .. apparently I have such flour)
Bijou
Well, yes, this kind of flour happens. And now, on the contrary, I have some kind of ... What kind of party does Macfa have in the Metro ??? Everywhere the bread is pale, even in the Shtebe, even in the Princess, even in the oven.Today I really threw a drop of sugar, so at least the crust turned brown in 15 minutes by 270 grams. And then I decided that the old oven was completely finished.
Katko
Lena, I don't have makfa at all
So Shugurovskaya ended, this one was made from Alekseevskaya, which I bought in Carousel

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