I choose a harvester, blender, processor

oh well, a harvester for that kind of money?
And he has some kind of production design, chopped

KitchenAid is not very cheap either.
Kenwood (Kesha) is worth decent.
So, in terms of cost, it is conditionally par for a price of up to 50K.
Design, there are questions about the lack of streamlined cutter shapes.
But all this becomes insignificant with its reliability and quality work. For example, chop a clove of garlic with a smooth knife in 5 seconds. With a knife with fine cloves, beautifully chop the greens and knead the tough dough on the dumplings / manti very quickly and efficiently.
So the choice was deliberate.
* In general, the choice began with Kesha and KitchenAid.

[Michael]

Michael, to be honest, yesterday I had 50/50 doubts that you are just advertising. Today, advertising has increased - 75/25

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Comparing a harvester with a planetary mixer / dough mixer is a disaster.
These are radically different devices.

Such a knife, such a knife does not replace a whisk, a dough hook, a bitter.

The knife is only suitable for steep dumplings according to the recipe in 30 seconds. And also suitable for sand, where the butter needs to be chopped.

In other cases, the knife cannot knead the correct dough, with developed gluten, for two reasons - it heats the dough, it chops it.

The knife does not beat the whites. Does not knead minced meat, but emulsifies it. Doesn't crush cabbage for pickling, as bitters do. Will not make choux pastry. And a lot of things won't do.

The harvester itself is a good thing, but more limited functionality in comparison with the planetary mixer (dough mixer), which can do what the harvester cannot. And if it also has attachments, then it completely replaces the combine.

I can chop a clove of garlic in 5 seconds and greens in Kenwood with two attachments - a food processor and a chopper. I can make steep dough on dumplings in a food processor or with a dough hook.

I had an excellent Bosch harvester, which I recommend to everyone who needs a harvester. But I sold it because it didn't do a single function that I can't do in Kenwood.

I am not arguing about the very need for a combine. I just don't see the point in a combine for 50-70 thousand. There are good options for 10 + -. Bosch, Philips are great harvesters. Beautiful, with many extras. nozzles, which are 5-6 times cheaper than advertised by you.

Today, advertising has increased - 75/25

Is buying the necessary kitchen equipment for your home an advertisement?

The knife does not beat the whites.

So today I bought a Robot Coupe Mini MP 160 V.V. with whisks, which will complement the cutter.
I do not think that it is worse than planetary cache or Kitchenade.

Is buying the necessary kitchen equipment for your home an advertisement?

Oh, you know, how many imaginary buyers come to the forum here, who love and buy the products of only one company, but in fact are paid advertisers?

But I am not accusing you of anything, but I am sharing the impression you made on me.

So a hand mixer was bought today
I do not think that it is worse than planetary cache or Kitchenade.

Of course worse
No, the mixer itself can be good. But how can you compare the need to hold a mixer in your hand during long processes of 10-15 minutes, with standing next to it, drinking coffee or simultaneously doing another culinary process? I'm not even talking about volumes.

Well, what you are showing is a submersible blender with whisk attachments, a knife and some kind of beater. The hand mixer has a different ergonomics - the brush holds the handle horizontally on the surface, and here the brush is vertical to the surface, which is extra. load on the joint.

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Please tell me how much money you paid for: a) harvester c) add. knife (you mention a few, but there is only one in the kit, the second and the next for additional money 5-7 thousand are needed) c) this blender?

[Miranda]

Mirandayou shouldn't believe a person

He has a professional cutter, a gorgeous thing. Our topic is not only about planetary mixers. INI choose a harvester, blender, processor., a cutter is such a blender with large knives and a wide bowl, any kitchen processor has a bowl and a knife = the essence of a cutter.

The knife is suitable only for steep dumplings according to the recipe in 30 seconds

With 82 g, a food processor worked in one person for me, so I used it to knead steep dough into noodles-dumplings-manti-dumplings with a knife, and I wrote more than once that I did not make it into crumbs, but took out the finished dough, like and it is supposed to be a bun, kneading for 3-4 minutes, the dough does not heat up, the knife perfectly grinds and twists the dough, the structure of the finished dough is like silk smooth on the cut, immediately after being taken out of the bowl

I also kneaded yeast dough with knives, also a chic bun, or not a bun if you didn't need a thick dough

knives do not spoil the dough

and the cutter Mikhail, as I understand it, has 3 knives, chop the meat on it for sausage - that's what it was intended for minced sausage, with such and such power - meat is like butter, we also chop meat in our bowls of food processors

it easily converts into a food processor with + all food processor accessories: vegetable cutters, cubes, citrus extractors, all our kitchen processors with one chopping and cutting knife = cutters

Miranda, you make sausages, but you haven't checked out such beauty

bowl metal 3 knives ...

Added Thursday, 16 Mar 2017 5:58 pm

Oh, you know, how many imaginary buyers come to the forum here, who love and buy the products of only one company, but in fact are paid advertisers?

well we all here, on the forum, we praise our units, and we argue, it happens, proving that ours is the best

and many people prefer to buy units of one company, isn't it bad? if this particular company has established itself on the good side

let's put aside suspicions, we don't visit each other at home, we take each other's word for it

[Irsha]

Irshawhy didn't you check it out?
I know about this and similar professional cutters from the sausage forum. And even for the sausage I want a good cutter.

I, too, knives and dumplings, shortbread and yeast (although it was mixed anyway). But you can't make bread dough with a cutter. Rather, you can, but a limited number of recipes. Because long kneading with the development of dough is impossible with knives.

and the cutter Mikhail, as I understand it, has 3 knives

The set includes one.
The rest are bought.

You can really buy a lot of things to it, and shredders and cubes of different sizes. And even a holder for such a blender on a pan, so as not to hold it with your hand. But prices - 10 + - disc grater-shredder, and about 20 thousand one cube size, and holder 10+ thousand. Sets of discs - 70 + - thousand.

To collect all the possibilities - a harvester, a knife, a whisk, discs, cubes - a lot of money.

Added Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:20 PM

let's put aside suspicions, we don't visit each other at home, we take each other's word for it

I agree
Let's take a word

But you can't make bread dough with a cutter.

you can make, knead, proofing outside the bowl, then you can twist it again in the bowl, or you can use your hands, there is a special one for yeast dough. devices, cutters are not officially included in their number, but the batch is done

The set includes one.

3, let Mikhail say, but on the store's website = 3 knives with different notches, but even though 1 knife is not important

But prices

and what .. prices .. I can never buy kenwood, kitschen, thermomix, I can’t afford it, I don’t speak in those topics - girls, you don’t need to buy it, and there is a metal bowl in the cutter, france put a hand, the power is good

like all our devices = similar in appearance and functionality, but the materials from which the unit is made are different, so the units are cheaper and more expensive, the brand costs money, you know

To collect all the possibilities - a harvester, a knife, a whisk, discs, cubes - a lot of money.

nope. and kenwoods in full collection, kitches with all the bells and whistles - 15,000 worth?

Added Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:26 PM

I agree

man, where .. that's .. scared uncle

and kenwoods in full collection, kitches with all the bells and whistles - 15,000 worth?

Of course, it's also expensive.
I have been collecting for my Kenwood for several years, and even then I was lucky at a discount. Me and the Boshik combine for 10+ thousand it hurt. And I didn’t sell it because I didn’t like it, there would be extra money, I left it, because it’s good.

I do not consider someone else's good, but about the ratio and expediency.
For example, if you have 65 thousand, then what is better to buy - a super cutter, even if with extra. with a knife, but without other bells and whistles, or an induction kenwood with a blender and a cutter with graters included? For me, not a wealthy person at all, the choice is obvious - to buy more opportunities for the same money.

Added Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:46 PM

man, where .. that's .. scared uncle

Dear Ladies, we are men, we love you dearly
The process of choosing a cutter was long (a month) and painful.
First, the planetary mixer was selected from two leading companies.
And even initially there was an idea to buy six attachments in M. video for ~ 36K and get a planetary Kenwood for 45K as a gift.
For two or three days on the forum, we studied the thread about the planetary KitchenAid.
And Bosch to the heap. After a week, all these planetary mixers were thrown away.
We focused on the initial kitchen processor - Robot Coupe R211 XL, cutter + vegetable cutter and then purchase the Cooking set for sauces. Everything is good, but the disadvantages are that the bowl is plastic and the vegetable cutter does not plan the cubes.
If with a plastic bowl the issue was resolved quickly + 10K (R211 XL Ultra) and stainless steel instead of plastic.
The issue with cubes was not solved in any way, only for a very expensive - Robot Coupe R402.
After weighing everything, we decided that it was just a cutter, a stainless steel bowl 2.9 liters. that's enough for us. Why the cutter from this office, they, the cutter, invented it in the 60s. And he really is the best of the little ones for the kitchen is 8m. sq.
Knives, "today" put two in a set, but this is not said anywhere, including the passport for the cutter, I learned by chance and checked.
A universal flat knife for everything.
A knife with fine teeth (put) is ideal for herbs and for spices. We use it to knead the dough.
A knife with large teeth - it goes for kneading dough according to the manufacturer's version, but an expensive 6.6K. we'll get by.
In the evening, we kneaded the dough for Indian flatbread, kneading time (flour 350 gr.) Too, 35-36 sec. Ideally, there are no questions for the test.
The price of the question, they asked, is 48.5K.

bowl metal 3 knives ...

That's right, excellent processor, 3.7L bowl. plus a vegetable cutter included.
But, the same minus - no cubes.
Cubes only in the 4xxx series. bowl 4.5 l.

and many people prefer to buy units of one company, isn't it bad? if this particular company has established itself on the good side

Robot Coupe - cutters and vegetable cutters, first of all, hand mixers second.

let Mikhail say, but on the store's website = 3 knives with different notches, but even though 1 knife, it doesn't matter

I will repeat about knives, according to the passport there is 1 flat knife.
In the last deliveries, it is assumed, 2 knives, the second with fine teeth.
We will not buy the third knife yet, it is not advisable, IMHO.

No, the mixer itself can be good. But how can you compare the need to hold a mixer in your hand during long processes of 10-15 minutes, with standing next to it, drinking coffee or simultaneously doing another culinary process? I'm not even talking about volumes.

About volumes, not a company of hungry soldiers.
What 10-15 minutes are we talking about.
The maximum rotation speed of the beaters (length 185 mm) is 1560.
If visually - a fan, as the spouse said.

Well, what you are showing is a submersible blender with whisk attachments, a knife and some kind of beater. The hand mixer has a different ergonomics - the brush holds the handle horizontally on the surface, and here the brush is vertical to the surface, which is extra. load on the joint.

Yes, a hand blender with a knife, everything is simple.
Nozzle - Aeromix attachment: a patented accessory designed specifically for the preparation of airy and voluminous emulsions and sauces that stay on the plate for a long time and do not spread.
Corolla - Stainless steel wire whisk elements.
Reinforced metal beater gearbox provides exceptional durability
Ergonomics - Handle shape for a comfortable grip and ease of use.

[Alena Besha]

Alena Besha, I bought such a harvester "Znergiya" 30 years ago. It still works like a beast. It shreds cabbage just perfectly: the thinnest straws fly out with a whistle, no combine that I have bought in recent years has such thin straws. I use it for the preparation of emulsion minced meat for sausages, small sausages, boiled sausage like Doctor's. The knife there is serrated along the edge, which gives a good development of the minced meat to the emulsion. It is a kind of cutter chopper. The bowl is roomy there and grinds more minced meat than in the Brown blender with a 0.5 liter bowl. I made the dough 2 times for the whole time, I washed it more than I kneaded it. The harvester is good, it still works like a clock. Only a little outdated, although the latest issues of this series look much prettier than their predecessors.

About volumes, not a company of hungry soldiers.
What 10-15 minutes are we talking about.

And this is parallel to the washing machine or dishwasher - it seems that for a couple of people it is not difficult to wash and wash the dishes. But it's much nicer to outsource this business to another mechanism. So Miranda is about that. It mixes itself there, kneads, kneads, whips ... And I will come to the finished result.

[Bijou]

Bijou,

I will repeat about knives, according to the passport there is 1 flat knife.
In the last deliveries, it is assumed, 2 knives, the second with fine teeth.

OK, thanks.
And then on the sites they write as according to the passport a complete set - one knife.

And yet, I believe that no matter how cool the cutter is, and even you successfully bought it, if 48.5 thousand (the Internet draws completely different prices, closer to 60 and above), it is still very expensive and irrational for me.

Because he only chops and twists. And you still have to buy a lot to him. If the same company, then + 10 thousand. minimum. Now you have already bought a hand blender with attachments, which means that the total amount is already higher than 48.5.

And if there are 65 thousand, then an induction Kenwood with a blender and a food processor is the very thing 🔗

And if it's a cutter in principle, then personally I won't buy it for so much. Well, or when an unknown millionaire uncle suddenly leaves an inheritance to me. Although even then I have other Wishlist for prof. kitchen appliances

Here's what I admit to him that the cheaper ones won't do that - the sausage emulsion. Cheap try to pull under the stick. And we must look for a compromise with each specific unit. But the rest - chop the garlic, the herbs, the steep dough - and Bosch and Phillips do it with a bang. Plus, they have richer equipment.

And so, good luck, of course
Let it please!

company! climb! come out lined up for breakfast!

It mixes itself there, kneads, kneads, whips ... And I will come to the finished result.

It is clear that you need to mix and knead for 10-15 minutes. And for kneading a tough dough, in the course of the play, change the attachments in the planetary mixer, the shovel on the hook. So, not everything is perfect.
The cutter needs less than a minute to work with the dough

And yet I believe that no matter how cool the cutter is, and even you successfully bought it, if 48.5 thousand (the Internet draws completely different prices, closer to 60 and higher)

By March 8, they dropped the price, a month ago they bought a meat grinder.

Because he only chops and twists. And you still have to buy a lot to him. If the same company, then + 10 thousand. minimum. Now you have already bought a hand blender with attachments, which means that the total amount is already higher than 48.5.

Yes, we gave up the vegetable cutter, no cubes.
For today only cubes are of interest.
Immersion blender, everything is not so simple with us.
There was a GDR hand mixer with a bowl and even a submersible blender attachment. It was first sold, and only then they began to study mixers.
Once again I looked at planetary mixers in two chain stores, to buy and add a cutter.
Brand China was not considered because other nuances may stink ...
Everything is more or less, relatively normal, the same cache, Electrolux, ..., have two disadvantages for us - the price is 50K +/- and the amount of space occupied in the kitchen. Also, why do we need a second kneader, which kneads the dough for 10-15 minutes, if only how to watch a movie.
Therefore, they began to study professional hand mixers.
There were already toys, but there were still two mixer offices:
Kitchenade - reviews are not encouraging and expensive for a toy.
Bamiks, beloved by many, but he has no corollas, the spouse decides.
We bought a mixer from Robot Coupe, there were still two or three competitors, but they went out of the way in terms of the combination of pros and cons, although they were cheaper.

which means that the total amount is already above 48.5.

Let's add to it the price of the mixer with all discounts - 27.6K.

And if there are 65 thousand, then the induction Kenwood with a blender and a food processor is the most

No, Kenwood is not justifiably expensive for household appliances.
Robot Coupe is also not cheap, but the level is different there, so there will be no parity.

And if it's a cutter in principle, then personally I won't buy it for so much. Well, or when an unknown millionaire uncle suddenly leaves an inheritance to me. Although even then I have other Wishlist for prof. kitchen appliances

Accurately approached the Wishlist - I wanted to try non-toy appliances in the kitchen.

But the rest - chop the garlic, greens, steep dough - and Bosch and Phillips do it with a bang. Plus, they have richer equipment.

Of course, they will make and chop, and knead the dough, the Internet is replete with videos about this.
About -do with a bang, there are doubts because Moulinex A-15, 3 in 1, still old French, we also have his ur I know.
To the heap, this rich set is usually not needed or it is very rarely in demand.

And so, good luck, of course
Let it please!

Thank you!

[different]

Also, why do we need a second kneader, which kneads the dough for 10-15 minutes, if only how to watch a movie.
Therefore, they began to study professional hand mixers.

There is an initial misunderstanding of each other. Because we are about different dough. AND different bread from it as a consequence. And you have everything smeared with one myrrh - 30 seconds with knives and all business. And kneading - it can be different. And the dough too.



If you start to be seriously interested and delve into the subtleties, you yourself will understand. And you will stop speaking in such an indisputable tone. That is, stop illustrating the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Added on Friday 17 Mar 2017 03:47 PM

And, well, yes .. And buy a professional dough mixer in addition to a professional sausage emulsifier.

And kneading - it can be different. And the dough too.

For example for bread, then yes.
But the dough is not the final product, for example - manti / dumplings / Indian flatbreads.

And you will stop speaking in such an indisputable tone.

Omission, forgot to add IMHO.

And, well, yes .. And buy a professional dough mixer in addition to a professional sausage emulsifier.

As a sausage emulsifier, the cutter was the last thing I was interested in.
But the dough was in the priority tasks.
Professional kneaders for 3-4 days studied very closely and came to the conclusion - we do not need it, plus its narrow filmness is present.
* It is not possible to compare the quality of the kneaded dough in the Good planetary mixer and in the cutter, but it is possible to compare the Long kneading dough with hands and with a cutter
IMHO, the quality of dough kneading in a cutter is excellent for household needs.
You can strive for perfection endlessly.
And yet, watching videos on YouTube on the preparation of various dishes and kneading different doughs, from different housewives and male lovers, they came to the conclusion that they have nothing supernatural.
Everything is simple with them, because if you are serious, then you need to consider the dough as in your photo through a microscope and argue about what and how best to knead the dough.
There is such a factor - time, and the cutter saves it very much, IMHO.

* It is not possible to compare the quality of the kneaded dough in the Good planetary mixer and in the cutter, but it is possible to compare the Long kneading dough with hands and with a cutter

And how is it?
Probably, absolutely any processor can knead this way with knives, even for several thousand rubles. But even the noodles and dumplings, crocheted and hand-mixed for comparison, I ended up liking a little more.

I bought Kenwood mainly as a kneader, because we don’t buy bread, and I didn’t like how an old bread maker was kneading for a long time. Maybe you kneaded bread with your hands better than I did, I mostly used the "upside-down lift", when the dough is slapped onto the table top, folding. Usually there were 500-600 repetitions, so when about the same (and if you knead for a long time, it’s even better) Kenwood began to give me even with the most unsuccessful hook in history, humming behind me for only 15-20 minutes, I just got free an abyss of time and energy.

But everyone has their own conditions and their own habits, of course. Although there are some generally accepted rules that are simply ridiculous to protest.

[Michael]

company! climb! go out to build for breakfast!

Wow, the car is really cool.
But what a huge one! It is desirable to have strong hands.

But, good, yes.

***
Michael, I really, something went too far. Apparently it wasn't my day
Please forgive me.

I really mistook you for a spammer, a lot of them come here, because the forum is popular, which is why I immediately took the wrong tone, and then I could not get off the strict rails in time.

Sorry, I was mistaken in my assessment, which is why the dialogue lined up ugly on my part. I hope you hold no evil

***
But let's continue on a different note

Well, why do we need a second kneader, which kneads the dough for 10-15 minutes, if only as a movie to watch.

Bijou, the above already answers you, but I will add.
Kneaders are separate devices because they work with dough differently than with knives, even if a cutter for 2 thousand euros. At 2 thousand euros, people buy not even Kenwood, but prof. dough mixer Hasler (Häussler ALPHA 2G), which is a dream-dream, but I don't have 2 thousand euros for it. Hasler can do nothing but interfere with the dough, a mono-device. But how does he do it!

We will not discuss the price of the combine. When I bought mine, I thought I would do with knives, but in the end, precisely because of the desire to make a completely different dough in quality, I switched to a planetary mixer.

But making bread is a separate topic. Enthusiastic people come to her sooner or later. We have great topics on the forum, everything is detailed there. And many do not come, then there is enough harvester, and it's great that you have a good one.

At the expense of Kenwood's unjustified price, I'll say under the spoiler.

Recently, in another thread, we discussed the German test of various dough places, including the Thermomix, where the dough was made with knives.
🔗

Read it, it's interesting. About the temperature (the knives of the thermomix are overheated, the dough should be made with knives only with ice water), about kneading, about the development of flour proteins, etc.

Only there the online translator incorrectly translates a positive characteristic through negation. And I asked the German.

There's a paragraph from google translator

On the forums it is often reported that the dough is pulled by the Kenwood hook and the ball "Carousel" dough drives. Spiral dough hook Senior Cooking Chef, looking like a Häußler hook, what's wrong. He can also use the Major model (the cheapest model is the classic KM636 online from 300 euros, the higher quality is the Titanium KMM060 model, online from 530 euros.) It is used, which does not have an induction hob.Senior hook test KW711659 can only be obtained through the service for approximately 50 euros (125 francs).

It should be read like this - But with a spiral hook induction Kenwood, which is similar to Hasler's hook, this is not the case.

So, Kenwood took second place, but after Hasler!

So I don't think it is unreasonably expensive.

Your purchase (sorry to count it again) 48.5 + 27.6 = 76.1.
Which is also not cheap.

This is a great buy, I watched the videos, really great.
If you do not have a desire to work with a different test, then this is a good purchase for many years. But if it does, then I advise you to look at Kenwood. And I only like Kitchen with the design, but I didn’t impress at work, and in the German test it took the last place.

For example, here is a picture from that German test-review, how from the same quantity of the same flour bread was made, mixed by Hasler and Kitchen. This is a visible difference! And this clearly explains the meaning of the kneader, which develops gluten and a gluten net in the dough with a long kneading and the right hook.

Well, I also can't help but comment on this.

And for kneading a tough dough, in the course of the play, change nozzles in a planetary mixer, a shovel on a hook. So, not everything is perfect.

Nothing needs to be changed.
As I put the hook on, I make all the dough with it.

so absolutely any processor can knead with knives, even for several thousand rubles.

There is a video on YouTube, dumplings dough, Bosch, in 1 minute.
I don't even argue, but it's interesting to see.

Maybe you kneaded bread with your hands better than me, I mostly used "lifting with a coup"

We had a Panasonic bread maker, excellent bread.

Kenwood

Usually everyone starts to consider Kenwood, we are no exception.

Mikhail, I really went too far. Apparently it wasn't my day
Excuse me, please.
I hope you hold no evil

It's even embarrassing, it's okay

We had a Panasonic bread maker, excellent bread.

Obviously, I have no more questions.

It's even embarrassing, it's okay

May this wonderful cutter please you
Well, if you get carried away with dough, then welcome to the topics about bread!

Good luck!

and prof. the Hasler dough mixer (Häussler ALPHA 2G), which is a dream-dream, but I don't have 2 thousand euros for it. Hasler can do nothing but interfere with the dough, a mono-device. But how does he do it!

Professional equipment of a high level and as a result - an excellent product.
Today we are once again convinced of this.
Since a mixer with a submersible blendor was purchased in addition to the cutter, I will continue about it.
Hand blender Bosch (400 W) donated available. We used to make them mashed soups in different varieties and their quality is known.
So, a simple puree soup - broccoli, potatoes and carrots.
Everything was in a hurry as usual, cooked, partially drained the water, we love it thicker, but the Robot Coupe decided to blander.
There is a difference when working, but not to say that it is cardinal, just as smoothly and accurately. Okay, poured into plates.
The wife was the first to eat a spoonful of soup and is silent. When asked how?
Try it yourself and discuss.
The taste is not really not an ordinary simple puree soup without frills.
An airy and soft puree mass is felt in the mouth.
You begin to slowly understand why people in restaurants order mashed potatoes for themselves, it can really be delicious.
The conclusion is banally simple - good professional equipment is much better than household appliances, judging by the final product.
Meat grinder and cutlets - I will not bore you

[Michael]

Michael,

We have a theme for each direction in gadgets here. And especially outstanding and / or popular also have personal topics.

Here's about the blender
Blender

Here's about the meat grinder
Choosing an electric meat grinder

There you can "tire" enough
On the forum, many have deviceogolism, if you don't buy, then read it.

By the way, they could make soup in the cutter itself, if not laziness, of course, then wash the bowl. Well, the soup-puree in a glass blender, where not only grinds, but also whips, - mmmmmm delicious

By the way, they could make soup in the cutter itself, if not laziness, of course, then wash the bowl. Well, the soup-puree in a blender-glass, where not only grinds, but also whips, - mmmmmm delicious

Vegetable caviar was made in a cutter.
It is more convenient and quicker to make soup in a saucepan than to bother with a cutter.
But in the cutter we grind the garlic, the garlic press was thrown into the drawer.
There is no blender, it seems not needed. And how to make soup in it, that's a smoothie, it's clear, although it's not soup.
* Judging by the YouTube videos, the chefs make the soup with a hand blender. Mashed potatoes are made with a mixer with whisk.

And how to make soup in it

I feel you still have a lot of discoveries about how gadgets are used.

You can do anything in a glass blender.
In good, even chop parmesan, even dough for pancakes. But I spied a recipe in the Kenwood theme - hot milk, add cocoa and turn it on - a lot of bubbles and yummy.

And it's easy to make soup - look under the spoiler.

Cook vegetables separately wherever you want.
Pour vegetables, water in which boiled in a bowl, close a lid, turn on.
Then pour into a saucepan or directly over the plates if the portion is small.

Pour water into a blender and turn it on again - like washing everything in a dishwasher. Pour out dirty water, rinse. You can unscrew the knife from below (this can be done in any glass blender) and see if he washed himself well.

Of course, the blender should be heat resistant and preferably glass.

And there are special blenders-soup cookers. Cook there and do not take out the soup-puree.

Found a short video
Again, hands are free, zero effort.



This is how I make vegetable caviar

Added on Friday 17 Mar 2017 08:46 PM

Judging by the YouTube videos, the chefs make the soup with a hand blender.

Cooks are made with different appliances.
Depends on the restaurant, the chef and the number of servings.

Cooks are made with different appliances.
Depends on the restaurant, the chef and the number of servings.

I don’t go to restaurants and I don’t know the chefs.
I just want to cut down on the purchase of store-bought concoction as much as possible, but without extreme.

You can do anything in a glass blender.

The soup is problematic, there are a lot of unnecessary operations and it is not tasty when cold.

In good, even chop Parmesan, even dough for pancakes.

About pancake dough, probably too much.
Studied desktop blenders, good (Korea) - expensive, 30K +/- and Good Vitamix 50K +/-.
Buying toys is pointless, a blender is a serious device.

recipe - hot milk, add cocoa and turn on - a lot of bubbles and yummy.

Thank you !

[Michael]

Michael, after all you are funny

Why is it cold, if you put it into a blender right after you cooked it and there it all spun for less than a minute? The same amount of time as submersible, if not less.

Extra movements - zero.
And here we again return to the question of holding or standing next to. And saving time.

About pancake dough, probably too much.

Nothing is overkill.
When a woman works, or even if she sits at home with children, then any device that saves her time and effort is not too much.

Why is it cold, if you put it into a blender right after you cooked it and there it all spun for less than a minute? The same amount of time as submersible, if not less.

The difference is that they work immersed in a pan, and the pan on the stove costs

And here we again return to the question of holding or standing next to. And saving time.

In a couple of minutes, your hands will not fall off.
Now for the time being, how do you quickly transfer the hot vegetables from the pan to the blender?
While you are just shifting, the submersible will already do at least half of its work.

When a woman works, or even if she sits at home with children, then any device that saves her time and effort is not too much.

You are agitating me for Soviet power
Beat the pancake dough with a mixer with beaters, but it may not be right.

[Michael]

Michael, no, I'm not campaigning for you

It can be seen that you have an established picture. And that until you try it yourself, you will not believe this or that statement.

But I, as a person who held both the mixer, and the hand blender, and the other technique mentioned above, can still say that the puree soup in a glass blender is many times easier and simpler. I'm talking about technology and human costs, not about taste, because you can be subjective about taste.

No, no, I have already gone through all this, and you are at the beginning of the path.
And you have many discoveries ahead of you. The same categorical, but already different statements

[Miranda]

Miranda, it's useless Mikhail ALREADY bought this expensive device, and now to admit that for the same money it would be possible to purchase a unit with much more efficient functionality - it means to admit his not very ... ummm ... far-sighted actions. And it is unusual for men.

And I am always very surprised (if not alarmed) by the reviews and comments of men when buying a device for a family. Where is your wife? No, I admit, of course, that the husband cooks in the family, but in this case Mikhail repeatedly said: "My wife and I ...", that is, she still participates in the process.

And that is why, like you, I am tormented by vague doubts about the purpose of these very reviews / comments.

Added Saturday 18 Mar 2017 09:32 AM

The taste is not really not an ordinary simple puree soup without frills.
An airy and soft puree mass is felt in the mouth.

Here is a direct advertising slogan. Well, or tried the puree soup for the first time in my life, which I doubt very much

Added Saturday 18 Mar 2017 09:34 AM

But in the cutter we grind the garlic, the garlic press was thrown into the drawer.

But this suggests that Mikhail is clearly not a culinary specialist, and he does not bear the main burden of cooking in the family. The one who provides the family with food will never drive such a device because of one or two cloves of garlic (it can still be washed later), it is easier and faster to use the garlic press

[Kara]

Kara, yes, agreeing that something cheaper makes something just as difficult even for girls

And that it is not necessary to google Vitamix for tens of thousands.

The one who provides the family with food will never drive such a device because of one or two cloves of garlic (it can still be washed later), it is easier and faster to use the garlic press

Yes Yes! And one onion / carrot is easier and faster to chop with your hands than which unit to connect.

[Our entire forum is a wonderful advertisement]

Soup, by the way, could be made in the cutter itself, if not laziness, of course, then wash the bowl.

The most convenient thing in an immersion blender with a metal leg is that it is - to blender hot, in the dishes where it is cooked, then pour only into a plate-cup, a minimum of dishes.

I use bamiks to break all the hot jams into jam, make ketchups, sauces, pumpkin puree, for example, so convenient = a large saucepan, 5-8 liters, and as soon as you put it hot in it, go straight through the jars.

There is no blender, it seems not needed.

You have a submersible one, but it is much more mobile than a stationary one, just for mashed soups = you don't need to pour anything = where you cooked it, you broke it there.

Mashed potatoes are made with a mixer with whisk.

The most luxurious puree is obtained with whisk.

Submersible mixer and blender - more convenient in the kitchen, more compact than stationary ones. With heat, of course, which - kenwood, thermomix, etc. = this is a different level of cooking.

And it's easy to make soup

It's just easier to put a hand blender in a saucepan.

The difference is that they work immersed in a pan, and the pan on the stove costs

In a couple of minutes, your hands will not fall off.

And it's true, a stationary high-quality blender is usually quite heavy, you also need to put it there, and wash both the bowl and the knife.

Mikhail ALREADY bought this expensive device, and now to admit that for the same money it would be possible to purchase a unit with much more efficient functionality - it means to admit his not very ... ummm ... far-sighted actions. And it is unusual for men.

Irin, do you have the cheapest kitchen units?

Why is the issue of price being discussed every now and then? If at least someone from the forum chats you for spending money on your devices - how will you react to this? Surely send it away - my wallet and don't look into it! And you will be right. Then why should the other person feel guilty and stupid if they didn't buy cheap junk, but spent their money wisely? Look in profile: Mikhail is 54 g, probably he and his wife already have their own experience of spending their money and cooking.

And I am always very surprised (if not alarmed) by the reviews and comments of men when buying a device for a family.

Strange emotions - here it would be happy that a man is taking part in the acquisition of units, so his wife does not hide boxes with new acquisitions from him, he himself is glad to buy something useful and of high quality

Here is a direct advertising slogan.

Our entire forum is a wonderful advertisement - for units, all kinds and different, for prepared meals. All recipes with a description of taste, color and smell. And the more beautifully the recipe is designed, the more it is appreciated - aren't such requirements for any advertisement?

Michael is clearly not a cook

Do we have professional chefs here? All lovers

And why such an incredulously instructive tone? A person just came to the forum and immediately got almost a lapel-turn every bast into a line.

Probably, if Mikhail came to the forum sire and wretched, with a blender for 300 rubles, and started buying everything at the suggestion of wise women, then he would be praised - Well done, obedient boy.

However, he is already well done - he holds the blow well, is polite and correct.

Posted Saturday 18 Mar 2017 10:57 AM

it is difficult even for girls to agree that something cheaper makes something no worse

why .. I'm such a girl that I don't rush to the expensive, if there is a cheaper analogue, why pay more

but if there is something really high-quality (for example, the same bamix, just in the configuration I need, a Japanese food processor sanyo, a quiet cooker Parenka), then the money, within the limits of the available ones, no credits, I don't mind

and what's the difference - what is how much for whom? forum is not broken down by wallet sizes

[Irsha]

Irsha, oh, well, in this case, I had nothing of the kind.
Such silence is golden

[Irsha]

Irsha, then a slightly different discussion unfolded ... just Mikhail, talking about his device, a little inadvertently said that he was not inferior to planetary machines in mixing dough. A Miranda, I tried to explain that if cutting-shredding, etc., etc., then yes, but if the dough mixer is in the first place, then it was necessary to look in a slightly different direction. And so everything is correct - the topic of combines and other similar devices ...

Why is the issue of price being discussed every now and then? If at least someone from the forum chats you for spending money on your devices - how will you react to this? Surely send it away - my wallet and don't look into it! And you will be right. Then why should the other person feel guilty and stupid if they didn't buy cheap junk, but spent their money wisely?

You surprise me, honestly! You really don't understand what exactly I was talking about? Or are you pretending? I was not talking about the price of a kitchen appliance, but about the fact that for the same money there are appliances that perform much more functions and are not worse. In other words, it's not about the amount of money spent, but about the result.

Michael is clearly not a cook
Do we have professional chefs here? All lovers

Something I do not observe in my remark of the word "professional"

Look in profile: Mikhail 54 g

That's it, and I'm more than sure that Mikhail does not need lawyers

And by the way, age does not affect culinary abilities at all. There are very young boys and girls who, in their 25-30 years, have achieved such heights in this art that some uncles and aunts do not shine either in 50 or 70.

Mikhail ALREADY bought this expensive device, and now to admit that for the same money it would be possible to purchase a unit with much more efficient functionality means to admit his not very ... ummm ... far-sighted actions. And it is unusual for men.
And I am always very surprised (if not alarmed) by the reviews and comments of men when buying a device for a family. Where is your wife?

My wife is at home and she mostly cooks, I only help if I have time.
Once again for the superficial.
The selection began and continued for some time with Kenwood and in parallel with Kitchenade. Bosch was on the sidelines.
The time of choice was about a month, so the choice was deliberate.
He also wrote why a cutter from Robocop, and not a 3-in-1 processor with cubes, is very expensive.

Here is a direct advertising slogan. Well, or tried the puree soup for the first time in my life, which I doubt very much

Again, for those who do not read, I will repeat.
An immersion blender was presented to me with my wife ~ 3 years ago, specifically for making mashed soups.
I know perfectly well how mashed potatoes are made and its taste.
The quality of the puree soup prepared with the Robocop hand blender is significantly different.

The one who provides the family with food will never drive such a device because of one or two cloves of garlic (it can still be washed later), it is easier and faster to use the garlic press

I usually crush the garlic myself, my wife trusts
The cutter grinds the garlic faster and better.
Although yesterday I was mistaken, the garlic needs to be ground with a flat knife, and not with a knife with small cloves, I will remember.
About wash, then wash the bowl after the garlic, wipe it with a napkin and rinse the knife, the time is the same as washing the garlic press.

[Svetlana]

Mikhail, talking about his device, a little inadvertently said that it is not inferior to planetary machines in dough mixing.

Svetlana, but I also noticed this and wrote about my experience - the dough in the combine is kneaded with knives no worse than in another unit. I have been kneading for more than one year, so I thought I could say this. Everything that I have written about knives, hand blenders and mixers is my experience. Not speculation.

Well, in this case, I had nothing of the kind.

I didn’t see anything unpleasant. Again, only personal experience.
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Kara, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You are very kind in essence, we know this from your deeds.
And Mikhail, as new, I wanted to support him a little. From such a reception on the forum, as a woman, I would

Yes Yes! And one onion / carrot is easier and faster to chop with your hands than which unit to connect.

This ensures that the unit is always connected and ready for operation.
But the most interesting thing is that the cutter is very simple and without unnecessary steps. Three components - bowl, knife, lid and three buttons - on, off, pulse and that's it

Kara, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You are very kind in essence, we know this from your deeds.
And Mikhail, as new, I wanted to support him a little. From such a reception on the forum, as a woman, I would

Irina, you are absolutely right, and it is for the opinion and experience of other people that we come to the forum. I had no intention of offending Mikhail. And he, I think, like others, came to the forum to exchange views, get comments from other members of the forum, and not just boast (if I am mistaken, then I apologize. In this case, I can only say: "Mikhail, congratulations from the bottom of my heart, I am very happy for you , let the device serve for a long time! "). Which Miranda did. But only this is somehow strangely perceived, including by you. Me, Miranda, and many others have been using Kenwood, Kitchen for many years. And we have something to compare with. Once again, especially for those who "read superficially", we are not talking about expensive or cheap units, but about functionality and efficiency. And that is what we are talking about.
Well, for example, comparing bread from HP (even Panasonic) and bread from the oven, mixed with a dough mixer, is like comparing packaged and freshly squeezed juices. But for Mikhail there is no difference, because.he DIDN'T TASTE bread baked in an oven and kneaded.
As for other functions, cutting, shredding, chopping, puréing, etc. - the above-mentioned devices perfectly cope with all this, a professional device is needed here if it is necessary to process a huge amount of products in a short time.

a bowl after garlic, then wash, wipe with a napkin and rinse the knife

When chopped, garlic releases oil that cannot be removed with a napkin. I'm already silent about the smell

Strange emotions - here it would be happy that a man is taking part in the acquisition of units, so his wife does not hide boxes with new acquisitions from him, he himself is glad to buy something useful and of high quality

Dear Ladies!
I'll tell you about the weirdness in a nutshell.
01/30/17, it was Cyber ​​Monday, my wife and I went to M. video to watch my tablet, I didn't really need it, ..., my wife says, let's go see the meat grinder, no question. We looked at the Kenwood 700 theoretically stopped. At home, he began to closely study the meat grinder, although this Kenwood had been planning to buy for a long time, well that he did not buy it.
On February 9, a chic meat grinder was delivered home, ordinary cutlets in the evening were confirmed about chic. The taste of the cutlets was unreal, I like this word.
A month later, on March 7, the Robocop cutter appears.
Next, a hand mixer GDR with a bowl is sold and on March 16, a Robocop submersible blender with an aeromix attachment and whisk is bought.
For now, a long pause has been taken to purchase devices for the kitchen.
For there is almost everything you need, so there is nothing to plan the cubes with.

For there is almost everything you need, so there is nothing to plan the cubes with.

And this is the most important phrase in your entire post And in general, you are at the beginning of an interesting (albeit costly) path called deviceogolism. We have separate topic yes, you are welcome. 99% of the inhabitants of this forum started at least with a kitchen knife, and at most with a bread machine or multicooker.

there is nothing to plan the cubes with.

[Michael]

Michael, Congratulations on your purchase! It would be interesting to read your feedback in the relevant topics, of course. I have been interested in professional equipment for a long time, I will not dare to buy everything. A wholesale store for cafes and restaurants is located in the same building as our office. Sometimes at lunchtime we look into the showroom, where we can examine, touch and ask the consultant. Basically, people buy dishes and all sorts of little things, for cash, of course ... My husband in this store bought me as a gift on the occasion of a saucepan (as in the video) and gastronorm containers. Has long been interested blender "Dreleblender" and a waffle iron, but I didn't even think about the cutter.
Well, really, I wonder what this technique can do.

[Irina]

Well, for example, comparing bread from HP (even Panasonic) and bread from the oven, mixed with a dough mixer, is the same as comparing packaged and freshly squeezed juices. But for Mikhail, there is no difference, because he DIDN'T TASTE the bread baked in the oven and mixed with a kneader.

You shouldn't argue with advanced amateurs about making bread. Although we tried homemade bread once, we did.

Garlic, when chopped, releases oil that cannot be removed with a napkin. I'm already silent about the smell

My wife is very sensitive to odors, after washing, she must rinse the laundry in the bath by hand, and then wring it out again in the washing machine.
In 4-5 sec. time of grinding garlic in stainless steel, there is no smell.

professional device

Very modest dimensions - width 200 mm, depth 280 mm, height 350 mm, weight 10 kg. Almost perfect size for a small kitchen. For us, the choice is successful and there are no further doubts, but if he bought or this one.

Added Saturday 18 Mar 2017 03:25 PM

99% of the inhabitants of this forum started at least with a kitchen knife, and at most with a bread machine or multicooker.

As for the knife, I can remember spring - 84, when I began to look after my future wife
There were two bread makers. There are none yet.
A slow cooker, her wife does not want her, not any.There is a double boiler, enough.
Irina
Vegetable cutter Alligator.

Thank you !, I saw the video more than once.

Congratulations on your purchase! It would be interesting to read your feedback in the relevant topics, of course. I have been interested in professional equipment for a long time, I will not dare to buy everything.

Thank you!
Themselves a little spontaneously came to professional equipment. in the kitchen.
First, a meat grinder "hit" in the gut, wow and okeino lasted three days while eating ordinary cutlets (beef shoulder, onion, a little soaked white bread and spices).
That we didn’t eat cutlets before.

Sometimes at lunchtime we drop into the showroom, where we can examine, touch and ask the consultant.

We bought three devices, but did not hold them in their hands before buying.
At first, it is very unusual and unusual compared to everyday life, but you quickly get used to the thoughtful convenience without unnecessary movements.
For example, a cutter is running, you slide the lid off, add something, the motor stops instantly, I think in less than a second, you report the ingredients, close the lid and the cutter continues to work.
Of course, you can turn it off, open the lid, add, close and turn it back on, but unnecessary actions that probably distract the cook. You quickly get used to convenience.

Basically, people buy dishes and all sorts of little things, for cash, of course ... My husband in this store bought me a saucepan (as in the video) and gastronorm containers as a gift on the occasion.

Were been in such stores for a long time three times, something on the little things there my wife bought.

but I didn't even think about the cutter.
Well, really, I wonder what this technique can do.

Yesterday my wife and I came to the conclusion that our cutter is used less than 10% of its capabilities.
Okay, let's add loads to it if possible

My Spouse is very sensitive to odors ...
... In 4-5 sec. time of grinding garlic in stainless steel, there is no smell.

Yes, I will cut a tooth into two or four parts with an ordinary knife, wash the knife under the tap with Fairy, and then that day I will never take an apple to cut it - it smells!

I'll wash the knife under the tap with the Fairy, and then that day I will never take an apple to cut - it smells!

Feri shmery these, we have not been buying for ten years, only laundry soap.

Feri shmery these, we have not been buying for ten years, only laundry soap.

Well, yes, laundry soap just confirms that if you wipe the garlic with a napkin from a stainless steel, it will stop stinking, yeah.))

In 4-5 sec. time of grinding garlic in stainless steel, there is no smell.

Yes, I will cut a tooth into two or four parts with an ordinary knife, wash the knife under the tap with Fairy, and then that day I will never take an apple to cut it - it smells!

Well, yes, laundry soap just confirms that if you wipe the garlic with a napkin from a stainless steel, it will stop stinking, yeah.))

Well, really, I wonder what this technique can do.

I will try to list what we did.
Grind the garlic.
Greens, cilantro, parsley ,. , with a small knife with small spikes.
Adyghe cheese and suluguni with cilantro and parsley for Indian flatbreads.
Dough for flatbread, manti, dumplings.
Vegetable caviar.
Second bow 4th.
Puree. Potatoes with carrots. Before that, they called the office and asked about making mashed potatoes in a cutter. They answered - it is possible, but they do not guarantee the result of professional quality. It worked out great for us.
Maybe what else they did in the cutter, I don't remember.
What did not work out - grind the oatmeal. Of course, the cutter was fine, but bad, in the old Soviet coffee grinder it turns out better.
Only she does not know how to grind coffee, but for coffee there is a Mazzer coffee grinder.

Adyghe cheese and suluguni

How is it? I've been making cheese for 20 years, I don't understand how to make suluguni with a kitchen appliance?