Gypsy
I don’t know .. I’ve been hanging for a year, to be honest, I don’t use it, I sometimes erase the current dust .. it’s okay. I’ve got gas. I really hardly cook fried, especially with the lid open.
tatjanka
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Decor from woven newspaper tubes
Gypsy Well, right on a sore corn. I also got hooked on weaving from tubes and now I'm ready to wrap the whole apartment. But the most important thing is that such beauty in the house is practically for nothing. Beautiful, and most importantly exclusive
tatjanka
Kamusik I will definitely show you, otherwise how not to brag. : girl_red: Right here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=165814.0
julifera
Girls and boys - urgent help is needed !!!

How do you feel about patinated facades, and specifically about patina film MDF, how is it erasable?
If you scrub light-colored cabinets from all sorts of bloopers and smudges, how long will it last?
Or is it tightly painted over there?


Maybe there are reviews of acquaintances, friends ...
Kamusik
Quote: julifera

Girls and boys - urgent help is needed !!!

How do you feel about patinated facades, and specifically about patina film MDF, how is it erasable?
If you scrub light-colored cabinets from all sorts of bloopers and smudges, how long will it last?
Or is it tightly painted over there?


Maybe there are reviews of acquaintances, friends ...

By itself, the patina, I think, will hold up well, especially since now there are a lot of funds so that not to scrub, but to wipe! But, if this is a bet film MDF, then it is not very ... better painted. This is much more practical.
julifera
Painted MDF is easy to damage, you move something into the tabletop by accident, you never know, anything can happen ...
And I have had a film for 8 years - like a new one, I'm moving here from it ...
Kamusik
Well, I don’t know ... The film will lag behind the oven and the surface (stove), IMHO.
julifera
Quote: Kamusik

Well, I don’t know ... The film will lag behind the oven and the surface (stove), IMHO.

Where such confidence?

I'm not lagging behind, not even a hint, otherwise I would not have written:

Quote: julifera

And I have had a film for 8 years - like new ...

Either a badly glued one can peel off or when the oven is not properly ventilated, Yucca wrote how her plastic swelled even in the middle of the canvas and without the influence of the oven.
Sofim
I have a film light MDF with a patina, it looks gorgeous and nothing is done to it. True 1.5 years in total.

And at the expense of peeling, it largely depends on the oven. I met reviews about some models of ovens, where everyone in a row got unstuck, melted, and so on. And everyone's kitchens are different.
Kamusik
Quote: Lala Toy

That's why I have,Vikul, cute himself did the repair. I changed water pipes, laid tiles, laminate, and wallpaper, in general, everything myself.

Likewise !!!

Quote: julifera

Where such confidence?

I'm not lagging behind, not even a hint, otherwise I would not have written:

Either a badly glued one can peel off or when the oven is not properly ventilated, Yucca wrote how her plastic swelled even in the middle of the canvas and without the influence of the oven.

I just stood there for more than 10 years, and then the film began to lag behind the oven, although the stove was then an ordinary gas one. I'm not trying to prove that my opinion is the only correct one ... You asked, I answered. I will also say my opinion about plastic. When I ordered a new kitchen, I consulted with a master I trust (they are making facades out of it very beautiful now), so he told me that he has just such a property (bulging out the middle), although they take it to the aluminum corners. I had a tree sill in my kitchen, my husband somewhere bought a sheet of plastic one-to-one with our tiles and glued the window sill with it.Every 2 years he re-glued it - it swelled up in the middle, even on such an area. The slab was not there and close, and the fact that my husband did not glue it with high quality also completely disappears! julifera, do not be angry, I think that extra infa will not hurt, do not wear it over your shoulders!
Grypana
My relatives have a kitchen and a hallway made of film MDF - it was removed in 5 years - dear mom! But! There is practically no heating in the house (too, too economical), the dampness is terrible. Here everything had to be peeled off. And the neighbor's - similar furniture has been standing for 4 years - like new.
I think it also depends on the manufacturer and the conditions of where and how it will stand and be operated.
Itself in terrible thoughts - I decided on the tabletop, decided on the color, thought out the design, dimensions, but the rest - from what to create all this - is still a dark forest for me ...
TaTa *
julifera
I have painted mdf for a year, my friend has 3 years, as new I am happy, of course, if you screw it with a piece of iron ... any will not stand it,
and since the coating is durable it is not so easy to scratch it, there is some kind of varnish, but another friend's mother washed the glossy film with a hard washcloth - it's sad ..
I think it also depends on the manufacturer of the conditions where and how it will stand and be operated


Grypana
Gold words
julifera
Kamusik, no, how angry, on the contrary, thanks for the tip !!!
In 10 years, if they had come off, I think I would have changed the facades, something is so tired of them I have no strength
So if my 9th year has gone, then this is considered lucky, yeah ... but now it may not be lucky, with the quality ...
julifera
Want something like this (only 6.3 sq. M.)
The Pro100 (thank you Yucca for a tip) I have already drawn 3 dozen projects in the hope that I will like something else, no, all the same while I just like this

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lega
Quote: julifera


There remains one alternative - wood, twice as expensive as MDF, I will not pull (

There is also not natural wood, but veneered facades .. they are, of course, more expensive than painted ones, but cheaper than wood. Your favorite "semi-antique" facades, of course, are beautiful, but dust accumulates so well on all these fintiflyushkas ... Personally, I am not ready to spend a lot of time maintaining this beauty ... there is something to think about .. Glass facades are quite practical framed, do not deform, wash well, do not peel off. There are matte, tinted ... the look of the kitchen turns out to be high-tech ... well, that's also not for everybody ...
julifera
Quote: lga

There is also not natural wood, but veneered facades .. they are, of course, more expensive than painted ones, but cheaper than wood.

Yes, I really like the texture!
Especially this one, no problem with cleaning
Only nowhere in any place where I left my drawing for calculation, there was no such veneer, only wood
Or do they give out veneer for wood?!? I'm in veneer while Chukchi

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TaTa *
I do not advise in metal frames, and even glass - very heavy, if you hit, but how many times will you scratch on the frames (from the words of a friend at the cat's frame)
julifera
Quote: Omela

Oh,julifera , and point me pzhl on this pro !!!

um, the fact is that before this Pro100 I tried about 5 other programs and had already run out of installing and hacking them, and in the end they all seemed inconvenient or crooked, and Ikeev's one was also very limited in components.
And then I already gave up and asked my son to help, he downloaded and installed, I’ll ask him for a link, but he fiddled around there, she didn’t quite get it right.
julifera
Quote: Omela

Oh,julifera , and point me pzhl on this pro !!!

Mistletoe, you, if anything, come in, in the sense, let’s draw a drawing by hand, but so that with the sizes and the desired colors, so I’ll draw everything for you, it’s already turned into a hobby for me (otherwise I don’t have time for cakes this year something)
lega
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Raise the upper side cabinet higher and remake the PMM under it under 60 cm

Why lift the locker? how is this connected with the PMM?
I am always strangled by a toad to give a chic corner under the sink. What will you put in the cabinet under the sink? Waste bucket, potatoes, household chemicals? the doors of the cabinet will be small and it will not be very convenient to dive there to get something.But the carousel for pots in the corner fits perfectly and is very convenient to use.
Veneered facades will, of course, be much more expensive than painted ones. If there is a cat in the house, then he can also pick up ... My (bastard) scratches when he asks for it ... Patinated very cute, you just need to be prepared mentally that you may have to change them, but not now pay a lot of money, but then ... well, the kitchen will be new again
Here they will be practical (everything is already speckled, you can safely splash ...)
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julifera
Quote: lga

Why lift the locker? how is this connected with the PMM?

Not connected in any way.
I have a desktop induction cooker, I was thinking of making a place for cooking there.
And the PMM changed from 45 to 60 because on the other side it is problematic to fill in standard and comfortable for me the size of the boxes so that the top and bottom coincide vertically, because this is the entrance to the kitchen and it is useless for there to be inconsistency if I put the back wall instead of the tile.
Deviation from standard cabinet sizes is an additional cost.

Quote: lga

I am always strangled by a toad to give a chic corner under the sink. What will you put in a tube under the sink?
Waste bucket, potatoes, household chemicals?

I will put a 5-stage water purifier in the depth (there is only one 10-liter tank) with a faucet outlet through the sink.
The rest of the space of this shakafchik I will also find something to fill

Quote: lga

the doors of the cabinet will be small and it will not be very convenient to dive there to get something.

But just such a sash for this cabinet is the best and largest of all there is!
You pull on one sash, and a sash from the other side is attached to it with hinges and 2 sashes open at once.
This provides the most convenient wide direct access to plumbing and everything else!

If we take another option - a narrow corner bottom cabinet with a beveled corner in front, one-door, then we have 2 seams of the worktop connection on the sides of the sink, I am categorically against me and one seam with the head.

I don't even consider the simplest option, when this cabinet is made rectangular and the entrance to one door is from the side, and it is very problematic to climb through it to the very corner to the pipes.

Quote: lga

But the carousel for pots in the corner fits perfectly and is very convenient to use.

The carousel doesn't fit there, all the seats are already taken there
The parents have a carousel and I don't really like such irrational use, a lot of space is forced to be empty, and all because they have exactly the same third version of the lower pedestal - a rectangular one with an entrance on the side.There is nothing better than a carousel to come up with.
True, I saw that Lissss and on the sides of the carousel managed to set the pots

But all the same, in my configuration without a carousel, it now fits into a corner cabinet much more. I just put in depth what I use less often, and closer to the edge - what is in the grasp, 2 shelves are just huge, it's stunned how much you can guide there and access is easy to everything
julifera
QUESTION:
Let's say grease got on the painted MDF, they didn't notice it, and there is no time to wipe the facades every week, what can you wipe off this fat with, just with an ordinary soft cloth? will it easily go away?

My film mdf does not care, even though there are three of them with an abrasive powder, nothing happens to him.
Rita
The stores are full of different types of fat solvents for the kitchen. He sprinkled it, waited and wiped it off with a regular rag.
By the way, I think the corner sink is the right solution! I have two of these corner cabinets. It fits a lot, but I often just forget what lies there, because it is not visible behind other things. And so this invisible and difficult to reach space will be occupied by filters.
I also decided that if I do repairs and change the kitchen, I will put a sink in one corner, and a stove with an oven in the other.
Ksyushk @ -Plushk @
Quote: TaTa *

I do not advise in metal frames, and even glass - very heavy, if you hit, but how many times will you scratch on the frames (from the words of a friend at the cat's frame)

This is not entirely true. I have glass in an aluminum frame on a wooden backing.The edges along the entire perimeter are very smooth and, most importantly, rounded, it is simply impossible to get scratched. And in order not to bang your head, the opening was made upwards, and not to the side. Very comfortably. Well, everyone knows about the practicality of glass, there is a minimum of caring for it.
Well, in general, once there was a conversation about the facades. I now have glossy plastic. I really like. And although the bottom is now always pounded (the child learns to walk), there is no need to care for him too much. Once a week I go through a glass cleaner: even in the form of napkins, at least I sprayed it with a spray and wiped it with a rag.
I don’t know if they make a patina on plastic. I don’t know if the effect will be visible on the photo. This is exactly what they do. But this is no longer a classic.
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Gypsy
Only gloss! one sweep of a wet cloth (no detergents) and no stains. And on matte you will rub and rub. I have a white kitchen
TaTa *
I used to have a matte kitchen, light beige, and even the texture is not even - you can't see any greasy spots, you need to stain it heavily with something colored to be visible. And now the kitchen is glossy, beautiful, of course, but the touch of dirty hands is immediately visible. From friends - you don't need to wash the oak at all
marinal
I used to have a film MDF color dark walnut - it's tin! Not only can you see all the fat around the handles, the ever-ingrained dirt in the grooves that imitate the texture of wood, but also the stains from the knees under the sink from the fact that the color is dark and matte. It was necessary to either scrub or hammer near it. I would never have bought this again as well as rough tiles on the floor.
And now I have a film gloss top vanilla bottom zebran - this is some kind of song, nothing is visible, and from leaving only a damp cloth 2 times a month
Grypana
For now, I can only show you this piece of the kitchen. This is my sister's kitchen, but the ideas are general. I'm just in the process.
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julifera, and can I resort to your help - also draw the kitchen of your dreams?
julifera
Quote: Grypana

For now, I can only show you this piece of the kitchen. This is my sister's kitchen, but the ideas are general. I'm just in the process.
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julifera, and can I resort to your help - also draw the kitchen of your dreams?

Grypana - sure
What are the facades of? How do they care, a lot of fuss?
If this is painted mdf - then I will kiss you !!! Here is such a dyed I really, really like it !!!
And then I got to the point that I already have from what is on sale and what is offered at reasonable prices - I don't like everything
Patina on many facades looks awful, only it looks good on wood, so I'm already starting to cool down to it ...

Only I cannot make a drawing in great detail as in the photo, some ready-made elements are not in the program.
For example, the entire niche in which the stove is located - instead of it, it would turn out:
one upper cabinet + two simple side ones without drawers, with a solid door, there is nothing to draw a cornice above the slab, in general there is no choice of upper cornices. The pens are very inconvenient to redo, it is easier to remove them altogether and then draw them by hand as needed.

That is, these schemes are good because you can come to the store with it and ask to calculate the approximate cost, and then add the missing details when ordering. It is also convenient that you can figure out the colors of the walls and floor - which tone is suitable, not suitable.
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Shl
to me on you - we are all girls
Grypana
This is a kitchen made of MDF lacquered with opaque acrylic paints (paints of the Italian company ICA). The facades are called Vespa. This kitchen is in Gdansk. I think that we would call it painted MDF. The countertop is stone, the sink is also stone, bought in Ikea. The kitchen is only 4 months old, my sister is very happy with her leaving. A small child, a cat and everyone are actively in the kitchen, and my sister is very fond of working as a Cinderella, and she does not bother her yet. Now she is not at home, then I will ask all the questions and photos of other sides and insert the island.
julifera
Despite the fact that I am mainly drawn to the whitewashed facades, I liked this set

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Grypana
julifera, Well, I think it will look decent even in white, this headset.

My version of the kitchen is also creamy, or baked milk or white in color, although ...How the wind will blow and with what foot I will get up. The floors are like white-gray marble and finish - a la natural stone. Cream-milk-cocoa. These are my colors. Style - "not too" called, calm classics - perhaps hi-tech - hardly, country - maybe ... Wood is just categorically - no, 2 kitchens were under a tree, already heartburn ... All photos are in a computer in a separate folder, I like the door there, there are shelves, there are lockers. But the fact is that my kitchen is combined with the living room, here the zoning must be taken into account and the general style.

Here are also interesting, as for me, options

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Grypana
Here are the promised pictures of the kitchen. Clarified - varnished MDF in one layer, because if varnished in several, chips are often obtained. And so, there is a special paste for grouting, if you get a chip, then you can eliminate it yourself. the firm gave a guarantee.
But in one layer and not very shine, and again there are fewer chips. To my question: "If you were choosing and ordering now, would you change something?" My sister said - very happy, for 4 months of kitchen operation - she wiped the doors 1 time - after assembling the kitchen, the second time - recently, when I was preparing for the holiday. This is despite the fact that she is very picky about cleanliness, to every little thing, and a one-year-old child is not averse to trying everything, touching, etc., everywhere.

still without a countertop and an unfinished island

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with countertops, and the island is already with shelves (on the other side of the island there are drawers)

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Grypana
Rita, thanks. Everything there is compact and well thought out. Also, everyone consulted with her on an Internet, sent photos, moved them back and forth on Skype. And where is that, but how is it ...
And now I have a headache with my kitchen. That's also how julifera can't find that middle - how (or rather who) and what we will make the kitchen of my dreams from.
julifera
I was drawn to this:
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But I just recently disliked such a combination, I used to want contrast, but now I want a softer one:

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Grypana


Here I have a problem with this angle. Now I was playing in the ikeev program - staging, moving. And I do not want to arrange a warehouse of kitchen furniture and everything so that it is at hand. I also think a two-burner gas stove.
My wall is 3.60 and the right wall is 2 m. This is the kitchen area. Well, I just can't get along with the corner. dishwasher because it is planned near this corner and there is no way to wash it. Here I look at the corner sinks, again I don’t know if it will be convenient for me.
Rita
NatalochkaWW ,
no pictures are visible.
Grypana ,
From my experience, I want to say that it is just better to put a sink in the corner and insert it, because using a corner cabinet for storing things is extremely inconvenient - a lot comes in, but getting to the far one is not convenient, and then you completely forget what is there. The carousel is also not an option, it does not fit much on it, and the corners remain empty, or filled with what you also safely forget about later. And so filters can be put under the sink, all chemicals can be removed and the trash can is leaving.
NatalochkaWW
Hello everyone! I'm traveling here from topic to topic along the way, poking around with different needs! So I got to the moment when I quickly need to decide on the headset and run to order, and I'm at a crossroads, at first I wanted to make light facades, I just couldn't come up with a countertop and an apron, but what linoleum, the choice is very limited. Then I decided on a dark walnut - the frame on the facade is mdf, and the middle is plastic, they said the type is so more durable. Now I will put approximate photos of kitchens by style, I really want to hear your opinion, and the more the better Furniture for kitchenonly without barFurniture for kitchen
dopleta
Rita, I agree with you, but partially. Now I have a sink just in the corner - it is convenient, but in the old kitchen I had a corner cabinet, and the door, or rather, two closing doors in the corner were hinged, that is, the cabinet opened completely - it was also very convenient.
julifera
Today I was in a very sensible salon, the girl showed not just films in a bundle, but opened a wardrobe, and inside they have a stand with samples directly on mdfins, and says that these samples are about 8 years old, look - this sample has come unstuck , and on this sample too, but at least this, and no thermal effects, just hung in the closet for 8 years in the same conditions.

Here are the things with this film MDF ...

julifera
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julifera

But this one fell to the soul

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LenaV07
Quote: julifera

But this one fell to the soul
Very nice I would say that the style is "unobtrusive country"
What about color? 3 shades of green, am I correct? Or is it a play of light?
Rita
Quote: dopleta

Rita, I agree with you, but partially.Now I have a sink just in the corner - it is convenient, but in the old kitchen I had a corner cabinet, and the door, or rather, two closing doors in the corner were hinged, that is, the cabinet opened completely - it was also very convenient.
My closet also opens completely, but it's still uncomfortable for me - I have to dive into this closet with my head if I need to get something from the depths.

julifera ,
light-colored - very cute. Everything is so thought out!
julifera
Quote: LenaV07

Very nice I would say that the style is "unobtrusive country"
What about color? 3 shades of green, did I get it right? Or is it a play of light?

Taki 3 shades, it hurts under the spoon, it is so delicious
k.alena
And my first glossy white caused a rapid heartbeat, although the style is finally not mine - I love smooth panels without panels.
Girls, can anyone have pictures of the kitchen in their stash, so that the upper cabinets are high (90-100cm) and open up (Blum has special hinges for this, Aventos). That is, the door is divided in half in height and you push it up and there, at different hinges, they go up in different ways. Everything that I saw is 70cm high. And I need high I can't understand and imagine how to implement it
strawberry
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[/ quote] I like the right one more. More elegant and more comfortable.
Jefry
Quote: k.alena

And my first glossy white caused a rapid heartbeat, although the style is finally not mine - I love smooth panels without panels.
Girls, can anyone have pictures of the kitchen in their stash, so that the upper cabinets are high (90-100cm) and open up (Blum has special hinges for this, Aventos). That is, the door is divided in half in height and you push it up and there, at different hinges, they go up in different ways. Everything that I saw is 70cm high. And I need high I can't understand and imagine how to implement it

"A samurai without a sword is like a samurai with a sword, but only without a sword ..."

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Sofim
Quote: k.alena

Girls, can anyone have pictures of the kitchen in their stash, so that the upper cabinets are high (90-100cm) and open up (Blum has special hinges for this, Aventos). That is, the door is divided in half in height and you push it up and there, at different hinges, they go up in different ways. Everything that I saw is 70cm high. And I need high I can't understand and imagine how to implement it
I have two cupboards in my kitchen with such Bloom hinges. I have 92 height, and they said that they are up to a meter.
Sofim
Here's a look, two upper cabinets with horizontal fronts. True photo from the phone.
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