Do you need a dispenser?

And it can still rumble from a too dense kolobok. He is in this state very decently on the walls hollows.

I didn't understand this moment

I know that this is not the topic, but I read on some forum that in some countries bread machines are sold, where yeast, for which a dispenser is built into the oven) are automatically added after the start of the batch.
And as for the noise, I wonder how a bun can create such a roar? And the dispenser in my stove opens silently, although it is accompanied by a sound signal, but not loud.

[About the noise of household appliances.]

About the noise of household appliances.

Let's try to figure out what the noise of household appliances is and what it is eaten with.

I would divide household appliance noise into three types:

1) Noise emitted by a serviceable household appliance (hereinafter referred to as "BP") in normal mode.
2) Noise emitted by a faulty (worn out or unregulated) PSU.
3) Noise that is obtained during the operation of the power supply unit due to the resonance of foreign objects involved in the process of oscillations, which are caused by the normal operation of the power supply unit.

Noise number 1 - is and will be. Well, except perhaps to cover the PSU with a cotton blanket (a dubious idea, you must agree).

Noise # 2 - requires service.

Noise # 3 - you need to move the power supply unit to another place, since even a weak vibration of the power supply unit installed on a table or in another similar place, getting into resonance with the support, can swing the same table very significantly. This will generate noise (knocking, rattling, tinkling, etc.).
In addition, resonant vibrations can occur quite far from the source of even weak vibrations - the same power supply unit, and even in the next room. That is, the bread maker works in the kitchen, you can't hear it, but the dishes in the sideboard clink from its work.
The recipe for getting rid of this is simple - to rearrange the power supply to another place.

It is not clear what resonance is? This is when something vibrates or vibrates due to the fact that very weak vibrations or vibration are applied to it, but the frequency of which coincides with the natural frequency of the object.

Example:

When swinging your child (or your adult) on a swing, it will be very difficult for you to lift him to your height if the swing is not swinging. But even if you gently push the swing B TACT, then you will quickly swing it to this height, without making great efforts. This is because you are pushing into resonance.

Yesterday I bought HP, decided to do something nice for the boys, so that in the morning they would be awakened by the smell of fresh bread. I did everything according to the instructions, went to bed. At 3.30 I woke up from a roar (in a 3-km apartment, the bedroom was closed by a door, they never complained about sound insulation), ran to the kitchen in a shirt, the roar stopped, I hear the gentle hum of HP. I sat down next to me, I was sitting, I was already falling asleep, AGAIN a roar and such as if the HP would break now. And so at the kneading stage, almost every minute. Turned off their sockets, then turned on again, it did not help. She turned it off completely, burst into tears, went to bed. In the morning I complain to my husband, we turn it on together, but before we looked, was there anything in the bucket? Everything is fine, we turn it on, everything repeats. The only thing that may not be so shocking is the sound, due to the fact that there is not one, and the general noise in the house. But how do you put it at night? French loaf mode. WHAT TO DO? HP Moulinex 3000 ...

For starters, I think so. I fell asleep all right, programmed it and forgot. And we are waiting for the final result. And if the bread is spoiled, then only in the service. My stove also woke everyone up for the first time. Therefore, the expression "wake up not from an alarm clock, but from the smell of fresh bread" is not for me. And my Panasonic bakes beautifully. But I only put it before work or on weekends. Not for the night ..

Now a question about noise.
Everyone is talking noise, but where is the concept? The apparatus dances, rattles, hums or creates the effect of an unexploded bomb, for example, when the dough is breaking and the lid is about to rip. I hope for details, so that later I will know what awaits us. Thank you!

Dear friends! I ask for help! I have my Mulineshechka for over 11 months. I'm not overjoyed with her. Everything with her was very good, but then my grandfather brought pears and I decided to make stocks in jam mode. It turned out great. Delicious. But there was a problem. One rubber band with a pin began to leak. And a little bit of sweetness came out, but like scale on the device where the bucket is installed. I kind of cleaned up (scraped). I rubbed it with a rag. But now, when kneading, noise is emitted like an unlubricated mechanism, maybe a little exaggerated, but I don’t know how to explain otherwise. The quality of the baked goods was not affected. But it worries me that if this rattle is there, then something needs to be done, and what - I don't know. Dear ones! If anyone has encountered a similar problem, please tell me what to do. After all, every mechanism, like a child, requires self-care, but you need to know exactly how to take care of it. Can it be disassembled somehow, cleaned, lubricated and reassembled? Really looking forward to the answer. Thank you. Nata

Definitely in service! A year has not passed yet, so you have it under warranty ...
Leaking bucket is very bad and it is better not to repair it yourself
AND WHERE IS THERE GLASS IS STILL QUESTION!

Mueslik, thank you for responding!
Today I handed over my worker to the service center. But we are only accepting, next week they will be taken to Simferopol, a week after that they will still call and clarify what is wrong with my stove. In general, they said to be patient, maybe they will have to wait a month! How I will be without her, I do not know. Therefore, I asked for advice, so that without a service center. That's so long! Sorry for the lyrics. Nata.

hopefully everything will be fine
And yet, from the moment you handed it over to the service until the moment they repair it, the warranty time does not go. That is, they will repair at least two months, you will also have a month of warranty. This is certainly a weak consolation, it's so bad without HP ...

Help me figure out how important it is to have a dispenser. Is the dispenser just comfort?
For example, if we want to bake bread with additives in the morning (there is no dispenser in the oven). We kneaded the dough, put in the additives and ..... Can you now leave this dough for a few hours until the baking timer goes off?

Or even during the day if we are cooking. Can we skip the moment to put in supplements? How do we understand that it's time to add raisins, etc.? Should we watch ourselves? Always beep when the dough is kneaded? Or is it generally 2 different modes - kneading dough and baking? Can we skip the moment when we need to put in the additives and the dough will start baking?

Those owners of bread makers who have a dispenser will probably say that its presence is very important. Especially if you set a delay program and do not have the opportunity to follow the entire process of making bread. But, technique is technique, and some complain that the dispenser does not always work.

Those who do not have a dispenser (and personally I am one of them) will most likely say that it is quite possible to do without this function by adding the desired amount of additional ingredients by a sound signal. But, when the baking is delayed, you will have to lay all the products at once (perhaps observing a certain sequence so that the components do not mix and do not turn sour ahead of time).

The signal does not sound when the dough is kneaded, but when raisins, seeds, cheese, etc. can be added to it.

Dough kneading and baking - 2 different processes. It all depends on the model of the bread machine. There are models in which, in addition to various programs for baking bread (the whole process from kneading to baking), there are separate programs "dough" and "baking".

Those owners of bread makers who have a dispenser will probably say that its presence is very important.

But no ...I have two stoves and both have a dispenser, but I used it three times (for two stoves) and did not suffer at all when I still had an old stove without a dispenser.

I hardly use it either. At home, bread with all sorts of additives is poorly eaten.

The old stove did not have a dispenser, the new one does. I use it from time to time. If there is, it is convenient, if not, it is quite possible to bake bread with additives during the day when you are at home. It is inconvenient to put additives on the timer. They can get wet in water, or break during the main batch. But this is all about soft additives - raisins, candied fruits and so on, the seeds almost do not care when they are thrown into the dough. And it is quite possible to pour the poppy right away, nothing will happen to it at all.

Fried onions, I put greens right away, they do not become anything - and so small, well, it will become even smaller. did not like the seeds. But I don’t trust the stove to interfere with the cherry-raisins, I also take out the handles ... I don’t really need it - I rarely use it. But - at night I do not put bread at all, because it interferes with sleep and it is undesirable to eat hot baked goods ...
"We kneaded the dough, put in the additives and ..... Can we now leave this dough for a few hours until the baking timer goes off?" - you can't !!!!!! the same yeast dough, it will simply peroxide.
"Can we skip the moment when to add additives? How do we know it's time to add raisins, etc.? Should we watch ourselves?" - the stove will give a sound signal, you need to hear it, immediately go to the stove and fill up the previously prepared additives.
"Or is it generally 2 different modes - kneading dough and baking?" - there is a separate "dough" mode - kneading and proofing, a separate "baking" mode, and there is a "bread" mode (let's call it that) - kneading, proofing, baking.
“Can we skip the moment when you need to add additives and the dough will start baking?” - you can, if it is noisy and you don't hear the signal.

A dispenser is comfort. In life, you can do without a lot, but if there is an opportunity, why miss it. For me, it would be better to have a dispenser and I won't use it often, but on the other hand, if I want, it's right there.
Today, in the morning, HP baked my bread with olives
Actually, I don't put on bread at night very often ...

If there is a dispenser, then there is no window. And you will have to open the lid more often to see. And there were reports that the presence of a dispenser impairs thermoregulation and the roof turns out to be less rosy.
After 253 Panas with a dispenser, I have Bork without a dispenser, but with a window and a backlit bucket, so that without opening the lid, you could have a good look at the dough. Since most of my recipes are experimental and the stove, even when baking in the oven, is still needed for kneading and proving the dough - I like the window much more!

And in my family, on the contrary, they love bread with additives: with seeds, cheese, nuts, raisins.

I almost always put my bread on at night, because I work far from home and come home late. I have no time to follow the signals, but I want fresh and tasty bread. I never get the opportunity to deliver bread during the day. Even on weekends, they are rarely at home.

Therefore, I really need a dispenser. Panasonic-255 makes it possible in the morning to get for breakfast the kind of bread that the soul asks for: butter with candied fruits, rye with herbs, wheat with seeds, Borodinsky with dried fruits, tomato and onion with cheese.

When choosing a bread maker, the mandatory parameters for me were: the presence of a delayed start function, the presence of the "Rye" program, the presence of an automatic dispenser.

Now, when I have been baking homemade bread for two years now, I can say that rye can also be made in other modes, but if you are rarely at home, if you cannot be near the stove for 2-3 hours, if you want the oven to be completely automatic, the dispenser is interesting.

If we compare a bread maker with and without a dispenser, then we can recall automatic or semi-automatic washing machines. Of course, it was possible to switch modes manually (everything is better than washing by hand), but how much easier and more pleasant it is to just throw in the laundry and then get the semi-dry one!

thanks everyone for the answers! You are all very friendly. Nice
We'll keep thinking. Most likely we will choose without a dispenser. We decided to buy up to 4000r. Now I'm looking for the differences between Moulinex OW2000 and Moulinex OW3000. I don’t understand yet, except for the case there are other differences? But I'm also rummaging through your wonderful forum.
I also liked the quality-price model Delonghi BDM 755 S, but it looks like it is nowhere to be found. At least not yet found at a reasonable price.

If the differences in price are not very significant for you, then of the two models it is better to take the Moulinex OW3000. All the same, the metal case.

If there is a dispenser, then there is no window. And you will have to open the lid more often to see. And there were reports that the presence of a dispenser impairs thermoregulation and the roof turns out to be less rosy.

In my model of the bread machine there is an automatic dipenser and a window I will not complain about the ruddy of the roof - everything is fine.
The mechanism always works perfectly, but I also question the need for this "gadget" ... I use it very, very infrequently! Sometimes I want to put more than the dispenser hopper holds, sometimes I need to gently stir in with my hands (for example, raisins. If it falls out of the dispenser into the dough, it is still grinded into the porridge with a stirrer and a dirty dough without raisins is obtained), sometimes in the finished baking mixture already and so everything is laid down.
At one time I was looking for a bakery with an autodispenser, now I would not bother with this. Correctly the girls said: there is, well, no, well, and it is not necessary!

Those owners of bread makers who have a dispenser will probably say that its presence is very important.

I don't think it matters. I only bought my oven because of the Rye Bread program. I have never used the dispenser. I put the additives manually during kneading or immediately when adding all the other ingredients. I don't use the timer yet, I have time to look after the process. And often the bread rises well, it turns out that the open lid will interfere, stick to the dough.

[Troya]

By the way, about raisins. In Panas, it does not grind into porridge, if put into a dispenser. After the dispenser has triggered, the spatula does not hit the dough like that. Intervenes gently. Otherwise, the point of the dispenser is to put only seeds? And I love it with cheese, with sausage. Never once did anything break me to porridge

Troya, pay attention also to LG, they have not expensive stoves, but they are also quite good.

By the way, about raisins. In Panas, it does not grind into porridge, if put into a dispenser. After the dispenser has triggered, the spatula does not hit the dough like that. Gently intervenes. Otherwise, the point of the dispenser is to put only seeds? And I love it with cheese, with sausage. Never once did anything break me to porridge

my dried cherries were smashed so that I wondered - what is it ??? I came, I looked in - and there was pink dough and in some places tiny pieces ... then I tried it a couple more times - the same thing ...

Come on! I do it with raisins, cherries, olives, etc., well, some of them may break (the softest specimens), but mostly everything is beautiful
And what has to do with the dispenser, the signal for throwing is given before the second batch, that is, it is still kneading ... It turns out that in order not to break the raisins, you need to manually stir ...

I really don't put anything in the dispenser: raisins, cherries, dried apricots, prunes, candied fruits, cheese, onions, herbs, nuts, seeds, chocolate pills, olives, pickles, carrots (in pieces), sweet corn, bell peppers, smoked sausage , ham, - nothing is grinded!
No porridge in the bread!

And by the way, the lid of an unclosed dispenser never gets in the way of the bread. There was one time for the entire time when the bread rose to such an extent that the dome itself closed the dispenser.

I repeat: the dispenser is optional, but very convenient for those who want a fully automatic oven and love a variety of baked goods.

[lina]

lina, strange ... maybe the cherry was too soft? I baked with cherries, and with raisins and with cheese - nothing breaks into trash. Except, perhaps, a fresh apple

You know, I thought and decided.that "raisins in porridge" from soaking it for a couple of hours in liqueur! He then becomes sooo fat and soft. Therefore, he kneaded. But, on the other hand, if the raisins are not soaked but left as they are, then it will be harsh. Or maybe not - it will have time to gain moisture. while the dough is brewing. I'll try!

Cake,

Yesterday and the day before yesterday I baked tea cranberries with dried cranberries, once I brewed cranberries with tea, the other poured dry after the signal. There is absolutely no difference

Alexandra,
so you think it's all about the bread maker?
You know, I love her so much that I am ready to take all the blame on myself, or on the wrong raisins, but not on my favorite helper! Although, in fairness, I must admit that she "overdid it" with kneading ...

[Cake,]

Cake,
To be honest, I just answered about your doubts whether to soak raisins or not.
You can safely not soak and it will not be dry. Both times added on signal.

And then it will be clear whether your assistant will grind dry raisins or not

As for me, it is better to soak raisins and other dried fruit berries in dark rum - the smell is awesome.

And about the dispenser I will say this: if I took HP without it, I would definitely have a feeling of inferiority, although today I can say that it is quite possible to do without it. In my Panas 255, the "Rye" mode, which is not in the 254 model, is more in demand - hence the satisfaction from the overpaid money for a reason. And the dispenser is a nice, rarely used option ...

I have already adapted without a dispenser. It may be convenient, but I need a viewing window more. At first, the whole process was watched in quiet delight - I didn't think it was such a miracle!

And the dispenser is a nice, rarely used option ...

So, when I was with Panas, I had a dispenser so that I could periodically wash it ... I used it very rarely ... 2 times in 2 years
Now it's a window, I open the lid anyway and look in. I draw a conclusion for myself: the main thing is to knead the dough and bake it with high quality, that's it. more is a nice addition)

And the dispenser is a nice, rarely used option ...

I totally agree. I rarely use it, and it is depressing that it does not close itself. : P It annoys me. And the stove kneads and bakes well without it.

I totally agree. I rarely use it, and it is depressing that it does not close itself. : P It annoys me.

I don't like that either.
When I used it, I then closed it manually, because once the bread rose very high and the dispenser had to be cleaned for a long time.

Why take a long time to clean it? It can be easily removed from the lid, soaked in water - everything goes away by itself

So, when I was with Panas, I had a dispenser so that I could periodically wash it ... I used it very rarely ... 2 times in 2 years
Now it's a window, I open the lid anyway and look in. I draw a conclusion for myself: the main thing is to knead the dough and bake it with high quality, that's it. more is a nice addition)

A little off topic ...
I read your answer, Celestina, and decided to look at the stove with a window into which you still have to look (in a good way). You have a good one ... Why didn't you brag about it? And the firm is interesting.

This little thing ...
A hybrid of a bread maker and a multicooker ...

What a cool hybrid with a window)))
I'm Fast in the subject
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=4479.0

The hybrid is really cool, especially considering that perhaps a bucket with a stirrer can be used not only for bread, but also for something like frying or semolina. These are, of course, fantasies ... I wish someone bought this and told in more detail about its capabilities.

Oh, what a thing! That's when I regret that my kitchen is not 100 square meters to accommodate everything like in a store!

And I liked the thing! An interesting device 2 in 1m. It's a pity everything is written in a foreign language ... And the price, I must say, even at the current wild rate, is very tasty. Only 4000, if in rubles ...

It's a curious thing, of course, but ...
As an electronic programmer, I know that multifunctional combines, for example, printer + scanner + copier + fax, are noticeably less functional than each such product separately. Will not this principle apply to such an "all-in-one" device. In addition, here on the forum people do not have enough of one HP and one multicooker in their everyday life, they buy another cartoon. So far, I have enough of both one and the other, but often they work in parallel, so I can say that such a combine does not attract me. Moreover, in appearance, the volume of the bowl (visually) seems to correspond only to a small cartoon.
Of course, all of the above doubts are purely subjective, and it is possible that this is a new masterpiece of hardware and kitchen art.

[Kapet]

Kapet, I think this is a good option for small kitchens and small families. Who still want bread, and porridge Cook, for example, infrequently.

[How to use very small ingredients (poppy, etc.) in the Delongy 125 dispenser.]

Interesting notion:

How to use very small ingredients (poppy, etc.) in the Delongy 125 dispenser.

It is so easy not to fall asleep in the Delongy 125 dispenser - it will immediately pour into the bucket. I poured wet sticky ingredients - they calmly fall out at the right time, because the Delongy 125 dispenser is covered with Teflon, like the bucket.

And in order to pour poppy into the dispenser, if you really need it, then you can try to do this:

Pour poppy into any mold smaller than the dispenser, sprinkle it well with sweet water and dry it in a warm place. You will get a briquette. So you can make and use briquettes from any small ingredients insoluble in water. Several such briquettes can be prepared. Put this briquette into the dispenser. The dispenser will open, the briquette will fall into the dough and become fragile from moisture, and the mixer will calmly stir it with the dough. I have not tried this (I came up with it today, but there is no poppy in the house), but I think it will work. If someone tries - write what happened.

Important: the briquette must be fragile, easy to break with your fingers, so do not take too sweet water.

And about the oven with a dispenser, so I bought it for $ 130. That is, it is not particularly expensive than without it. I believe that if you take, take the THING, than after a week you begin to regret that you have saved.

I personally have never regretted that I saved money. Dispensed and will do without a dispenser.

I think there will be a more objective answer from those who have a dispenser but do not use it or rarely use it. Because whoever does not have a dispenser, there is nothing to compare with. I also do not regret that the legs are not from the ears. But I'm not objective.

I have one oven with a dispenser, the second without it. I rarely use it. I usually add additives manually, when a little later, when and immediately. And if I put the stove on the timer, for a delay, and I'm not around, then a dispenser is sometimes necessary, sometimes. My answer is this: if there is a dispenser, it's good, but if you don't have it, you don't need it, you can do without it.