Do you need a dispenser?

What is the dispute about? Saving 30 cuddly raccoons? Duck more gasoline, or erase the soles of the soles Yes, it’s so nice to wake up to the howl of HP for an hour at 4 am, like add raisins or cheese

and why bake bread at night? asks the man who always bakes bread at night? Yes, it's me, I'm singing in the bath (The most charming and attractive)
I don’t have a dispenser, but I don’t sleep at night - I do my household chores, and in the morning I fizzle out, and then I do public affairs. At night, electricity is cheaper and I'm a cross between an owl and a lark) And if a normal person bakes and decides that at night he must bake bread with additives, then do not sleep for the sake of raisins .. this is a clinic.
I do not charge the stove in the morning - I bake from 23-00, but in the morning it is cold, you can eat. Fresh hot bread is not healthy.

For me, when choosing between 255 and 254, Panasami decided the case with the Rye regime. And the dispenser is a nice little thing. But still it's more interesting with him, IMHO. True, at first I was scared of the sound with which it works, it sounds sharply against the background of the measured hum of the engine.

I have a Panasonic 254, without a dispenser. With a dispenser for 800 UAH expensive. When you select the mode with additives, when you press the button, the timer shows how many minutes are left before the food is booked. That is, there is no need to wait too much, came up, pressed, yeah, another 40 minutes. Then when 0, two minutes squeak, and threshing further.

The experience has become more, so the opinion has slightly changed. If I didn't care about the financial issue, I would take with a dispenser - I bake at night or in the morning - and I "break" to get up earlier or do not go to bed due to additives. So far it’s enough. I hope my stove will work properly for a long time, and by the time the stove is needed again, many bread makers will have dispensers. IMHO. because it's really convenient.

And I put the supplements right away and don't bother, and I don't need a dispenser. Although now I knead in a bread maker, but I only bake in the oven.

if I only baked in the oven, the dispenser would not be enough for me either. By the way, thank you, thanks to your posts, I also tried it in the oven, which opened for me a variety of forms of bread.

Shurshun I started baking in the oven after the experiments of Admin, and before that I baked only in the bread maker and loaded all the additives right into the bread maker and everything worked out well.

Hello everyone

I want to buy HP as a gift to my wife

I lean towards Mulka 5004 (because of the baguettes).
I read the topic about Mulka, I saw that there were no more baguettes but rolls for hot dogs, wooden and there was no automation.
And yet the choice most likely falls on this model because of the ability to bake a large (horizontal) loaf of bread.
When a spouse bakes in the oven, the bread is eaten up very quickly, so if you bake, then immediately a lot, so to speak

Questions:
1) Only in Mulk there are holes from the bottom of the stirrers?

2) How can you minimize them?

3) Do you always need to take them out? And if you set a timer for the night?

4) As you yourself know, fresh bread is far from being healthy and they say it is necessary to use bread on the 2nd day (a little dried up) - Here I am interested in your opinions !!!
All the same, there are children in the family who cannot but be given fresh bread.

5) In the Yandex-Market, you can adjust the functionality for selecting HP, and there is a kind of forms: loaf, loaf \ round, loaf \ baguette.
So the baguette is present not only in Mulk 5004.
What are the baguettes in other HPs? Just a French baguette recipe, but a loaf shape?

6) I also read here on the forum that if there is a dispenser and you don’t use it, you still need to wash it after each baking. Is not it?

7) What about the noise?
I ask you to give a choice of an alternative for the functionality of 5004, so that there is plenty to choose from !?
In the evening my wife and I will think about this Temko, of course, if you throw in other HP options
If there are links to the comparison, I am also grateful. Although here on the forum I read a topic about comparison with Cameron, I don't want a cheap and unknown brand.
Thanks in advance, I hope for the advice of the pros

PS - The site and the forum are just great, Respect to the Administration!

You yourself answered the first question with questions 2 and 3.
On the 4th question ... children should not be given a lot of bread like adults and hot bread. But why not give fresh, well-cooled bread.
baguettes, as far as I know, are not in other stoves, at least we know. Although baguettes are loudly said, 4 buns that can also be baked in the oven and not 4, but more, but this is a matter of taste.

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1858.0

The rest of the descriptions of the stoves can be found on our website in the section "What to choose or" Operation "... and only you can choose.

Thanks for the answer.
But I did not answer the first question myself.
Are there holes in other HPs?
If you take out (with a hook) the agitator from Mulka, will there be no holes at all?

1. Do other HPs have holes?
2. If you take out the agitator (with a hook) from Mulka, will there be no holes at all?

1. Always

2. There will be a small hole from the stirrer shaft, the bread will be easier to take out

I haven't paid attention to holes for a long time. The quality of the bread justifies them

To make it easier to give advice on the last point and in general.
The choice is between:
Mulka 5004 vs Panas 255
Interested in the pros and cons (not interested, take this and that's it, I've already read that the majority is for Panas)

Namely interesting:
1) Noise
2) Pros (which the competitor does not have) and cons. at Mulka, past the baguettes.
3) Pros (which the competitor does not have) and cons. at Panas.

Thanks again in advance

Peace be with you bakers!
easier, as has been said more than once, you can pull out the stirrers after the last kneading then the holes are minemal

but there is another way - before baking, split off a couple of pieces of dough, roll rollers out of them and put loaves on top
and when you pull out the trolleys, you can plug the holes with these rollers
but I completely agree with Alim, this does not affect the taste
and to identify + and - you need to ask a person who has these two x \ n

shade, I completely agree with you. You need to ask the person who used both models.
It's just that my head is already boiling through the forum, but I know and have seen the jambs described here.
Maybe you should write to people who have one of these models? What pluses are noticed and what minuses are identified?
Well, about the noise, of course, it would not hurt.
Are those same buns for sausages (they are supposedly baguettes) really that good? Will it not turn out that after making these same baguettes 1-2 times, we will always bake ordinary bread?
I also saw a review that it is better not to make jam in Mulka, some oil seal is clogged, knocks out the gasket, etc.

To make it easier to give advice on the last point and in general.
The choice is between:
Mulka 5004 vs Panas 255
Interested in the pros and cons (not interested, take this and that's it, I've already read that the majority is for Panas)

I gave you a link for these two models. Did you read there?
And if the majority is for Panas, what is the problem? Want to. what would you write that the majority is for Mulya?))) So you have already made a choice and it is obvious

Here is a message from a girl who has just mulya5004 and Panas.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=45370.0

Summarizing everything that I read about these HPs one way or another:

1. There will always be holes from the stirrers, but this does not affect the quality of the bread at all. The stirrers are well removed if the bread from the bucket is not taken out hot, but at least slightly cooled down (then the slightly sweaty crust softens, and there is no need to poke around in the hot bread). Panasonic does not have any hooks for removing the stirrer, since it jumps out quite easily when the bread is taken out of the mold (just not hot).
2. Who had the opportunity to compare different HPs, let's say, of high prices, claim that Panas works quieter.
3.Theoretically, jam (jam) can be cooked in both models, but in principle, this is not recommended. Rather, it is not worth cooking often, since the preserves from HP are not intended for storage, but rather for "eat here and now".

I gave you a link for these two models. Did you read there?
And if the majority is for Panas, what is the problem? Want to. what would you write that the majority is for Mulya?))) So you have already made a choice and it is obvious

Not that I read the topic, I read it in parallel

If I have nothing to advise, please answer this question -

Which is better from Panas 254 or 255? (If we rarely use the dispenser)
Do you need this dispenser at all?
In the 254th model, is there a sound signal when you need to throw the filling yourself?
Is it really necessary to wash the dispenser every time as described below in the comment from Yandex?
Comment: Would buy 254 now, why? Because the additional functions in the form of a dispenser and an additional rye program turned out to be superfluous. Let me explain: 1. You have to use the dispenser very rarely, and you need to wash it every time. Fall asleep the same raisins, etc. could be so. In the absence of a window, you still have to open the lid and look. 2. Rye and stump-rye bread is better at the "Basic" program. 3.254 Panas costs less than 255.

And you read about the kenwood VM450, there, if the dispensary is unnecessary, it is removable, and the touch controls will never be clogged with dirt like push-buttons.

Not that I read the topic, I read it in parallel

If I have nothing to advise, please answer this question -

Which is better from Panas 254 or 255? (If we rarely use the dispenser)
Do you need this dispenser at all?
In the 254th model, is there a sound signal when you need to throw the filling yourself?
Is it really necessary to wash the dispenser every time as described below in the comment from Yandex?

You are cunning))) Do you want someone to re-read everything and write your conclusions here
You ask which is better 255 or 254, if add. functions 255 are not needed. And what is there to answer. I repeat once again, you choose YOURSELF, and if you liked something, then it will be the best.
From myself I can only say that in any case I would have taken Panasonic ... and only him.

And you read about the kenwood VM450, there, if the dispensary is unnecessary, it is removable, and the touch controls will never be clogged with dirt like push-buttons.

You want to say that there are buttons and levers in Panasonic and Moulinex? ... do not tell me.

Peace be with you bakers!
Celestine -
You are cunning))) Do you want someone to re-read everything and write your conclusions here

: Tronza - Are those buns for sausages (they are supposedly baguettes) really that good? Will it not turn out that after making these same baguettes 1-2 times, we will always bake ordinary bread?

and you try

\ you can say halva 1000 times, but it won't make your mouth sweeter \

You read the characteristics and what sensory control is and then you will talk.

So, Mulinex, Panasonic and other HP have QUASI-SENSOR buttons and not PCN, no matter how much you want it
It was already written about the lack of touchscreens on the forum that even a "sneeze" or a light touch turns on the mode, then when you don't want it

You read the characteristics and what sensory control is and then you will talk.

I can’t imagine how dirt can get under the painted icons, if it’s clearer for you, and you don’t need to show me your language, not culturally, you know.

Thanks to all.
Have chosen Panasonic

Only now there are a couple of nuances:
254 and 255 - which model should you choose?

1) Is this very despencer really needed?

2) Is the addition of fillings provided for in the 254th model? (Does she signal when to add them?)

3) In 255, can only raisins and nuts be poured into the despenser? Or whatever your heart desires?

4) Does the 254th not know how to make Rye bread?

5) Does Panasonic really stand around the 1st hour (to equalize the temperature), and only then start to act?
I ask you to give answers as much as possible to the maximum number of questions.
In advance, once again, thank you all

Thanks to all.
Have chosen Panasonic

Only now there are a couple of nuances:
254 and 255 - which model should you choose?

1) Is this very despencer really needed?

2) Is the addition of fillings provided for in the 254th model? (Does she signal when to add them?)

3) In 255, can only raisins and nuts be poured into the despenser? Or whatever your heart desires?

4) Does the 254th not know how to make Rye bread?

5) Does Panasonic really stand around the 1st hour (to equalize the temperature), and only then start to act?
I ask you to give answers as much as possible to the maximum number of questions.
In advance, once again, thank you all

A dispenser is needed if you want to throw additives into bread, cat. set it on the timer if you are afraid that raisins, for example, will crumble in bread. I DO NOT need it, I used it 1-2 times in 3 years.

The signal is always given if there is no dispenser.

Large ingredients can be poured into the dispenser. Poppy no, cheese can melt.

Rye bread can be baked in any oven, even if there is no mode there. You will read the topic "Rye bread in ovens where this program is not available" (somehow it is called) and everything will become clear.

Panasonic equalizes the temperature from 30 min. up to an hour. What it depends on ... there is a whole topic about this, but everyone is still different. If the food is cold, this is one time, if it's hot outside, another ...

Heh, oddly enough, I already chose Panas, but ordered Kenwood 450 =)
I'm waiting for when they bring

[Tronza]

Tronza , if not a secret, why did they order Kenwood, and not Panas?

[Tronza]

Tronza , if not a secret, why did they order Kenwood, and not Panas?

The wife liked Kenwood's design.
I read the reviews, they say that they cook the same way.
Kenwood has the ability to program.
Kenwood suits me better for the interior of the kitchen, and the refrigerator and stove are metal.
Panasonic is probably more reliable, but again, how to use it.
The price did not play any role at all, and at the price they are now the same.

Immediately I ordered an electronic Philips scale with a step of 1 g and dropping the weight of the dishes.
I'm waiting for tomorrow evening, I'll immediately get into the topic (quick bread) and try the oven =)
And today we will probably buy flour and yeast
Something like that.

Until tomorrow night, read Admin's Beginner's Guide to Baking Basics to make sure you have a good bread)))

[Tronza]

Tronza , a good choice! And a little fly in the ointment - Kenwood is noisy ... But I would take him today too. The Kenwood website in Ukraine has a good price, and a round bucket as a gift

[Tronza]

Tronza, make no mistake with "quick" bread. Curb your impatience and make a simple wheat flour bread on the main program. Just so that at the very beginning there is not even a shadow of disappointment.

Dear members of the forum and bakers, in order for household appliances to work reliably, they need to be protected and a voltage stabilizer installed on the entire apartment.

Hello! I have Orion 206. Today, while kneading dough for dumplings, the bread maker made a terrible rattle several times. Mixed well. I did not notice any external changes. did anyone have this? I don't want to panic and drag them to the service. Maybe it's because the dough is tight?