serrg
To enter the test mode, you need to turn on the HP to the network and, with a blank screen, press the three buttons "Program" Size "Timer" simultaneously. All LCD segments should light up. How to attach a photo?
sazalexter
serrg Very useful information! it's a pity only the caption on the photo is hard to see, could you duplicate it in the post?
Do you happen to have a service manual?
STEEL56
Serrg. If you have any information on repair, maintenance, lubrication of a bread machine and a bucket PANASONIC SD 255. Please share or indicate where you can get such information. Thanks in advance.
serrg
An explorer opens on the Internet, you need to select the index ... file, the explorer will ask you to run the scripts? you need to answer yes !! I won't post it to anyone else (Sazalexter suggested putting the service manual on the site), in the near future I hope everything will be on the site. And yet, if someone on Panasonice Sd-255 and others like him stopped working some modes and bread does not rise and in general the stove does not behave correctly. we read the instructions from Panasonic on page 9 point 9 (turn off for 30 minutes and then everything will be ok. The main thing is to wait for 00: 0 on the screen)
sazalexter
Quote: serrg

And yet, if someone on Panasonice Sd-255 and others like him stopped working some modes and bread does not rise and in general the stove does not behave correctly. we read the instructions from Panasonic on page 9 point 9 (turn off for 30 minutes and then everything will be ok. The main thing is to wait for 00: 0 on the screen)
Here's some more useful information! Just super
SchuMakher
And for ... you can explain why the test mode is needed
sazalexter
SchuMakher Actually, to check the health of the main HP nodes
Alena78
I tested my stove a bit!

When testing the proving temperature, the temperature went up and down (and back) from 37.8 to 45.7 degrees.

I measured an electronic thermometer with a sensor on the wiring, clamped the sensor with a cover so that it hung approximately in the middle.
Maybe the thermometer is not very good? We measure their temperature outside the window.

There is nothing to measure the baking temperature with yet.
Everything else works fine.

Didn't understand: "turn off for 30 minutes" - from the socket or just stop?
And when should the zeros appear?




Actually, she bakes me well. With the wrong proofing temperature?
That's what's amazing.
SchuMakher
sazalexter How do I understand the compliance (or non-compliance) of my parameters with the standard?
Alena78
I found 2 glass thermometers, one up to 50 grams, the second up to 220 grams
and tested it again.

I measured it like this: I opened the top lid and the dispenser, inserted a washcloth wrapped in foil and pierced with a thermometer into the hole.

And I also put the bucket on, the last time there was no bucket.

Proofing temperature was kept at 38, sometimes it was only slightly higher (about 38.3)

And when I tested the baking temperature, when the temperature reached 210 grams, the ten turned off.

I concluded that everything is fine. Still, there are large errors in my measurements.
sazalexter
SchuMakher Do you have any baking problems? Then you test the HP for a malfunction, and nothing more. This is not necessary for a normally working HP.
SchuMakher
Thank you! I have no complaints about her!
Chef
Posted on the site:
Service menu Panasonic SD-255
sazalexter
Chef That's cool! Service manual on SD 255 And there is only one on our forum
I want to note that it is 90% suitable for SD257 / 256/254
Poul
Will do! 100% Personally Verified! (257)
sazalexter
Poul Did the manual help? Did you fix the defect? We are waiting for the report
Poul
Report:
The manual is suitable only for the correct disassembly of the subject (which I successfully did without it!), So that God forbid, nothing is broken.
In troubleshooting (electrical-electronics), the manual is basically not suitable.We need a wiring diagram! I will deal with the breakdown later, now I bake bread at full speed, almost every single day!
The malfunction, although visible and unpleasant, does not interfere with baking bread (yet!)!
If I disassemble (for diagnosis) the family will not understand!
They will lather their neck despite good intentions!
PS Bread does not change its excellentness!
PPS Do not forget to praise him, he loves it very much! There will be less baking problems!
sazalexter
Poul A common defect in electronics blocks is non-soldering ("skirts")
especially in the places where the relay and other massive components are fastened, which the "wave" of solder has not warmed up. This has become especially relevant in connection with the change in technology to lead-free
sazalexter
Processor boards in household appliances, s / c are usually not repaired, so there is no schematic diagram in the manual. And also there is no controller firmware. Usually these two points are even more difficult to find than the service manual.
The company does this only upon request and only by authorized c / c
Poul
Well Duc, we'll start by examining the behavior of the power source! 80% of the trouble is in him!
Or are there other thoughts? We will take note with pleasure!
sazalexter
Poul There, the power supply is assembled on a board (Board B) It should also have a heating element relay (Heater 550W) and a motor relay, so I would first of all look at their non-soldering
sazalexter
Poul There is a troubleshooting section in the manual, can it have this error?
As writes serrg https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=92766.10
And yet, if someone on Panasonice Sd-255 and others like him stopped working some modes and bread does not rise and in general the stove does not behave correctly. we read the instructions from Panasonic on page 9 point 9 (turn off for 30 minutes and then everything will be ok. The main thing is to wait for 00: 0 on the screen)
Have you tried this procedure?
Poul
My bread maker is de-energized by default!
sazalexter
Poul And I always have it on the network, though through the APC Smart 1000 UPS, an old one, with an approximation of a sinusoid at the output, although the batteries are new
Poul
Somewhere I met a message about inserting a switch into a power wire (similar to what was previously installed on lamps), in general, I also think to leave it plugged in, since it is now powered by a stabilizer!
serrg
It is imperative to disconnect the bread maker from the outlet. The fact is that in the device of the stove, a transformer power supply is not used, which provides the decoupling of the electrical network with the electronic unit of the stove, but an ordinary parametric stabilizer is used, with ballast in the form of a container. Therefore, all sorts of interference arising in the electrical network penetrates the board, with the processor supply voltage, and its work gets lost (since it is programmed to perform certain operations and works constantly, the error can accumulate in a couple of months of continuous operation, it is constantly connected to the network). A large capacitor (supercapacitor) is used on the board to support the processor during a power outage (about 10 minutes). Therefore, if you briefly unplug the stove from the outlet, the processor still works, and can reboot completely only if the mains voltage is turned off for a long time and the supercapacitor on the board is completely discharged. After that, if you turn on the oven again, then on the display we will see 0.00. This means that the processor has been completely reset. After that, not working modes can be restored. Don't kick if someone doesn't understand any of this. And the fact that during operation the display blinks and the relays click, most likely there is a problem with the voltage stabilizer on the stove board (there may be faulty components, non-soldering, etc.) If you do not understand electronics, take it to the workshop unambiguously. !!!!
Poul
To serrg
While collecting information. In fact, have something to say? Thoughts of speculation?
sazalexter
serrg Thank you, everything is very intelligible
Poul
Found a potential reason for the unstable behavior of the oven indication: in the 220V power circuit there are two thermal fuses connected in series (Thermal Fixing Plate (T.F.142C)). The entire oven is powered through
them.Hike, lads and girls, unless, of course, take into account the malfunction of one of the thermal fuses, the blinking of the indication - the essence of the power outage, for cooling, the normal behavior of the oven!
Apparently, having twice secured P.C.Board A by turning on two thermal fuses, the manufacturers did not take into account at all that the unstable behavior of one of them could lead to a very obvious, visually observable, "malfunction".
I am looking at the option of temporarily removing these "Thermal Fixing Plate (T.F.142C)" from work. A couple of times I'll try to bake bread without them. It's winter outside, it's not so hot in the apartment, I think such a "diagnosis" does not threaten me with troubles!
sazalexter
Poul An interesting version!
Poul
That's right, that only version! Moreover, it has not been confirmed!
First: It has been found that Thermal fuses are disposable elements, not self-healing!
Secondly: The voltmeter connected to the board, after the thermal fuse, during the operation of the oven (and the enhanced blinking of the display), showed an absolutely stable voltage. That is, a possible malfunction of the thermal fuse is absolutely excluded, already practically!
We think further.
...
Something arose a thought: Isn't the blinking of the indication just an indirect indicator of insufficient performance of the processor logic? (A straw for a drowning man!)
serrg
Find electrolytic capacitors on the board, they have markings (for example 20μF 16V), measure the voltage on them during normal operation of the stove and while the indicator is flashing. Compare. In theory, the processor should be powered by 5V (although there are 3V). I had a datasheet for this processor somewhere. If I find it, I'll post it. Pay attention to the pins indicated by the arrows, one power pin. rst is the reset pin, it should have a supply voltage and a ground pin. Observe safety precautions and remember that there is no power supply decoupling with the mains in the stove !!!!
Panasonic SD-255 TEST MODE
Poul
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Something I began to think ...
serrg
Demon panic, I think we need to check the reset output and substitute quartz first, quartz often fails.
sazalexter
Poul Have you looked through the relay soldering? I would warm it up with a P.C.Board B soldering station before "surfacing".
On a new product, quartz does not fail, IMHO if this is not a general marriage.
Electrolytes Panasonic usually uses their own production, less often Hitano, even less often Jamikon and China. They fail only after 3-6 years of operation
serrg
I am aware that it is too early for electrolytes to dry, but there you can measure voltages without having an electrical circuit and roughly guess what it might be there. First of all, you need to see if the supply voltage of the processor is stable, then the voltage of the reset output (there should be a processor supply voltage on it), substitute quartz (required), check the processor harness, if everything is normal, make a conclusion about the processor malfunction. By the way, the non-soldering of the relays in this product does not cause the LCD display to blink, since they are not connected with each other. And yet, if the percentages are still to blame, you can, as a last chance, try to restore it, fry the soldering station with a hairdryer (some output inside the chip is badly soldered). Sometimes it helped. Or you need to rewrite the board's part number from the service manual and contact an authorized service and buy the board separately, as an option.
Poul
Quote: serrg

Demon panic, I think we need to check the reset output and substitute quartz first, quartz often fails.

The program is not reset, but continues and ends normally!
The relay checked: the soldering is of high quality, and the relay soldering is not to blame! Blinking sometimes occurs without the relay triggering, in the batch or stand mode!
But about frying the chip, with planar leads, in order to restore the soldering inside the chip - oooh !, that's three times cool !!!
I can't check the strains yet! I'm baking bread!
sazalexter
Poul I would have warmed up the board with a soldering station Before "surfacing" the entire board and not to restore the soldering inside the chip, but to warm up the soldering of the chip itself.
From the area of ​​rare defects: there was a series of Fujitsu hard drives in which the defect manifested itself after a couple of years, so the plastic of the controller case was to blame, which in the process of operation released a plasticizer, which "shortened" under the chip. This was treated by soldering the chip and washing the board under it
sazalexter
For simplicity, Order No. ADR31K147 (P.C.Board B assy) and ADR30K147 (P.C.Board A assy)
Poul
Not a very permanent defect!
Yesterday I "drove the oven dry" - pulled out of the casing. Didn't blink even once !!!
I put it in the casing, blinked immediately when the stove was turned on. It blinks inconsistently, at times, at any time it can: with the heater running, and without turning it on, it blinks for 5-10 seconds, stops, after a while again ... Continuous misunderstandings!
sazalexter
Poul Maybe somewhere the connection shortens or falls off?
Poul
Yes, I'm a little worried about the flexible flat cable connecting the two boards. Painfully he is unpresentable: all warped, in "kinks". The stove was unpleasantly assembled. I immediately noticed this train when disassembling it!
Poul
Such is the gimp, Brothers!
I noticed this thing today: I'm baking another loaf, but I put the crust not "dark" (as usual, ... like?!), But the middle one, and so the display never blinked !!!
It is not enough, of course, once, for a meaningful look and far-reaching conclusions, but the temperature with a dark crust is higher than with a normal one! Could the dog rummage around here?
Let's look further, on the middle crust!
That would be someone else who checked!

Continuation:
I baked one more loaf today, on a medium crust: I never blinked!
SergNF
Prompt, plz, by 6.1.3. (Heater operation test mode)
I caught fire PowerAlertTemp.
Further in the description
"Behavior of device: The device supplies electric power to the heater after 1 second and the power is off when the sensor temperature reaches 165 deg.C."
That is, when reaching 165 degrees, it should go out the inscription power or turn off apparatus (power is off )?
Correctly I understand that with the help of this item I will be able to determine if the sensors and / or heating elements are covered? There is a set of temperature, but what should happen to the unit / display is not clear. (there is no thermometer and no possibility to measure the temperature yet).

That prompted testing - after 4 years of operation 255th, twice in a row "everything blinked, inside the bun". Here is such an accurate diagnosis. The only thing that we were able to detect visually was a coal that "shortened" the shadow and the inner iron cladding. There is even a black burnt spot on the skin, but it (the skin) seems to be intact.

Thank you.
Tusya53
And I am in "disheveled" feelings ... I bought Moulinex 613E32 and it seems ... I was mistaken)))) Compared to my Panasonic SD-255, this one has an additional ability to bake baguettes ... AND EVERYTHING !!!! The rest is inferior in everything. But I went to the store with the firm intention to buy the same Panasonic? only a newer model, otherwise I have had it for many years, one side of the bread began to burn.
Cons of Moulinex 613E32:
- it works not only noisily, but RUMBLES like a tractor !!!
- There are absolutely no dough recipes (only two), one of them "for pasta" for 1.5 kg of dough !!! You can feed "the whole village" !!!
-and you can bake baguettes and rolls in a simple oven.
So you have to use both stoves. Panasonic will never be thrown away. Dough and bread recipes ... SEA!
Something like that!
Yours faithfully
Altair73
Please tell me where in Odessa you can buy an oil seal for a bucket for a Panasonic CD-255 bread maker or the entire shaft assembly. The oil seal flew, I can't find it, but a new bucket is a little expensive to buy.
sazalexter
Altair73, Shaft assembly in the service there No. know, in extreme cases, parts No. in the instructions.
STEEL56
Quote: Altair73

Please tell me where in Odessa you can buy an oil seal for a bucket for a Panasonic CD-255 bread maker or the entire shaft assembly. The oil seal has flown, I can't find it, but a new bucket is a little expensive to buy.

It is useless to look for a native oil seal in Ukraine. Half a year ago I searched all the sites myself, everything turned out to be useless, the shaft also costs a lot of money, like half a bucket, I had to chemistry myself, the price of the issue turned out to be $ 1. Half a year flight is normal. I will try one of these days to post a photo and a description of the oil seal that fits

P.S. Do not buy the shaft separately. Fully bucket drive for sale.

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STEEL56
On replacing the oil seal in the bucket of the bread machine, I created a separate topic. In the Panasonic Bread Maker section.
Tanya_35
Hello.Tell me if it is possible to run a stove test in the Panasonic SD-255 service manual to check the ability to maintain a temperature of 35 degrees, like the Panasonic SD-2500, It is necessary for warm spreading of a test of arbitrary duration. I only understood how to enter the menu itself, and then what and how can I check? Thank you.

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