LightOdessa
I looked when I baked it - March 30. Today we finished eating, the bread tasted almost like fresh. I just always have 2-3 types of bread, so we eat for a long time. I keep it wrapped in a towel and in a plastic bag.

And on April 2, she baked wheat-whole grain with vegetable Korneks.

That's all that's left of him.
The recipe is regular, basic, replacing 2 cups of wheat flour with whole grain and no milk powder. Instead of milk - Cornex.

Sourdough bread.

Sourdough bread.
LightOdessa
MariV, thanks! It's always nice to receive a compliment from a professional!
MariV
Well, you have to be shy! Bread only leavened, without yeast, in the oven - this is the highest class!
LightOdessa
Suslya
I was very interested in the recipe for sourdough rye, but you measure with cups, and how much is that? 240 ml? 250ml?
LightOdessa
I have a cup of 240 ml, to be honest, this is not so important, since I knead the dough by hand, so I can adjust the amount of flour-water. But at the base - 240 ml.
It is important to take into account that rye dough is very sticky, and you need to be ready to work with it, but its plus is that it is kneaded for 2-3 minutes, and the result is always excellent. The main thing is to distance it well before baking - so that it does not ferment, and that there is enough distance. Otherwise, in the first case, the crust will be spongy and the roof may collapse, and in the second, the bread will turn out to be flat and heavy, and the roof will break.
MariV
I left my leaven in the refrigerator for two weeks, after thickening it with wallpaper. flour and a little salt.
I came, looked - like nothing, in the middle I immediately put a dough with corn, oatmeal and wheat flour, added dry wheat germ, for insurance 1g. pressed frozen yeast, after 9 hours in the oven baked bread - no sugar, only salt. I threw in there still old sour cream and flax seeds.
I bake in a glass dish with a lid (microwave attachment). It turned out a table bread, already finished. I fed the other part of the sourdough with wallpaper flour, left it on the table - it came to life, how cute!
That is, the experiment with storage in a very thick state with the addition of salt was a success.
LightOdessa
I read from Lyuda that it is undesirable to store the leaven in the refrigerator, because at t below 8 C, O / C bacteria living in the leaven die, and only wild yeast remains. She cited a bunch of examples and a comparative photo of bread baked with a cooled sourdough and sourdough kept from 8 to 12 C. The difference is impressive. Therefore, I store my starter culture on the concrete floor, feed it every day, bake pancakes from it, make dumplings, all sorts of batter, gravy, etc., otherwise there is too much of it. I would like to come up with some kind of device to keep a stable t 10-12 C, but where can you get that ...
MariV
I found a place in my refrigerator with T 10.5 degrees. And now I keep the leaven in a clay pot. Two weeks is a long time, I somehow left it in a warm place for three days unattended - I had to throw out almost everything.
And this one, after dressing, now smells of apples. True, not in the refrigerator, but on the table.
LightOdessa
In my refrigerator, alas, there was no such place ... Everywhere the temperature is not higher than 6 degrees, even at the minimum mode.
klazy
Quote: SvetaOdessa

I would like to come up with some kind of device to keep a stable t 10-12 C, but where can you get that ...
the same Luda wrote about a mini-refrigerator for wine
I, after my masseuse told me that her daughter-in-law uses a thermal bag to make yoghurt, I am also running around with the idea of ​​how to adapt this (thermal bag) for storing the sourdough ...first you need to reach the temperature you need in the bag itself (put it in the chill-nik for a while with a thermometer in the middle), then also trace how long this bag keeps the temperature ... in general, have fun with it and have fun ...
+ there was also a thought about a small car refrigerator (my father-in-law had one) - maybe the right temperature lives there?
LightOdessa
A week ago, I baked simple white bread, without a recipe, leaven, flour, water, and salt. The dough was quite dense (classic bun), it was slightly under-spread, so it blew off the roof. Here he is:
Sourdough bread.

Sourdough bread.

Sourdough bread.

And we are finishing up this bread today - there is already a little vegetable oil (1 tbsp. L.), Sugar (1 tbsp. L.) And vegetable cornex (2 tbsp. L.). He moved normally, and accordingly his quality is much higher. I bought a long bread pan that fits the entire length of my oven. It is very convenient to use, it turns out at once a rather large bread, which we eat for three to four days (weighing about 1 kg-1.2 kg, I definitely did not weigh it). These are his leftovers, baked on Monday morning.
Sourdough bread.

Sourdough bread.
LightOdessa
It's been a long time since I appeared here ... I'm all working, like a bee ... During this time I baked a whole bunch of different breads, but I couldn't get my hands on the pictures. And yesterday I decided on an experiment: I took a recipe from Lyuda for mustard bread Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.
Lyulek
The bread is super!
I also sometimes make bread with semolina. Now I want to try many of Luda's recipes: Borodinsky, custard and French have already baked, cheesecakes with cottage cheese too. All her recipes are worthy of attention. About the master class and the photo, I generally keep quiet.
klazy
uh huh :)))
I baked the custard - great!
and French too.
I haven't reached the cheesecakes yet :)
but, I see, you and I are thinking in the same direction :))
LenaV07
Please, tell me how you can get to this blog 🔗 ? In this Temka, they remembered him more than once ...
Lyulek
The address has now changed, try entering like this:
🔗
Good luck!
LenaV07
Lyulek Thank you very much! Already in the "bookmarks" ...
Lyulek
Happy baking!
LightOdessa
Girls and boys! I confess, since I bought the bread maker again, I had nothing to brag about, I baked ordinary sourdough bread all the time in Kh \ P. But today Lyudin opened the magazine and it struck me, I saw this miracle: Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.
Kalmykova
LightOdessa ! You are finally back! And not with empty hands, but with a wonderful recipe!
Lyulek
LightOdessa , now baked this bar. It turned out flatish. And I know why. I made the dough a little more liquid than I usually make for loaves, so it crawled out during baking.
And one more nuance: comments should be read before baking, not after (as I did).
Those who do not have a special harvester should knead in HP in full, and not for 15 seconds with subsequent kneading: you cannot knead the dough in HP.
And the taste is very tasty (although the dough is not kneaded properly).
The next time will not keep you waiting. The starter culture is already waiting for testing

LightOdessa
Girls! Today I baked a new bread according to Mikhail's recipe from LJ, Sourdough bread.
and in the context:
Sourdough bread.

I wish you all good luck! I beg your pardon for the fact that I appear so rarely, I hope I will not be expelled from the ranks?
Summer resident
We only miss you. Come back often
Lissa
I've been looking at Misha's recipes for a long time. The leaven is super. He has a lot of baguettes. Now I will definitely bake. The bread looks delicious.
LightOdessa
I decided to try the same Mishin's recipe, but with unripe sourdough so that the bread was sour-free. Happened! The proofing took a little longer than in the recipe, about an hour, but the bread turned out to be not sour at all, very tasty, but not too aromatic. Still, the smell of bread depends on the maturity of the leaven ...
I used wheat sourdough, in the stage of small bubbles. But the bread still turned out to be excellent, light, porous, airy and huge! If I had stood it for another 0.5 hour more, then it might not have fit on my rock! This one took up the whole stone ...

Sourdough bread.

Sourdough bread.

Sourdough bread.

When I last "folded" it, a little flour got inside the bread, so it is there and visible with white stripes. Next time I will shake off the flour more thoroughly.
LightOdessa
On Friday I baked Orlovsky bread according to Misha's recipe Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.
The taste is amazing! Excellent quality real white country bread!
Misha has very good proven recipes; he practically doesn't need to be corrected. The only thing I will do the next time I bake this bread with pure wheat flour is to reduce the amount of salt by a couple of grams. For wheat bread, it is slightly salty. In general, surprisingly tasty!
And one more thing: I reduce all the ingredients by 25-30%, since my C / P is designed only for 1125 g of bread, and its recipes are for 1.5-1.8 kg.
If you like, here's a recipe adapted to the millet flour and my weight:
Millet. flour - 565 g
Bran (or bran with white malt) - 15 g
Water - 310 g
Sourdough - 230 g (moisture 125%), Misha has described how to make it. I have wheat leaven.
Salt - 13 g (next time I will take 10-11)
Then everything is according to the recipe.

I strongly advise you to try, especially since it is not at all difficult.
Good luck !!!
Summer resident
We are here on the forum playing with a new raisin sourdough. Tomorrow I'll try it in your recipe
LightOdessa
And we also indulge in starter pancakes a couple of times a week ... And they don't get bored, they are so delicious! Only here I didn’t guess to take a picture. And today I just baked it and here they are:
Sourdough bread.
The recipe couldn't be easier. I take 1 tsp. for the next sourdough, and everything else is for pancakes.
All sourdough - 300-400 g
Sugar 2-3 tbsp. l.
Salt - a pinch
Vanillin - on the tip of a knife
Egg - 1-2 pcs. (small)
Lemon juice - 1 tbsp. l. or citric acid - a pinch
Soda - 1/4 tsp.
Rust oil - 1-2 tbsp. l.

Delicious - super!
LightOdessa
And today we dabbled in butter whey bread (I replaced the buttermilk required by the recipe with it), and also replaced the unbleached flour with premium flour. The recipe is here:
Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.
In the photo there is a hole from a kneading spatula ...
Yuliki
Sveta, please write Misha's recipe for leaven and Orlovsky bread, mentioned above.
I do not have access to LJ

Thank you
LightOdessa
Misha's leaven (but I don't use his leaven, I have my own)
Leaven
There are many ways to make sourdough. With and without yeast. With holy water and organic flour. On grapes and on pineapple juice (for the latter, however, there are specific reasons). There are methods that take two weeks and require a sack of flour, there are those that give a working leaven in two or three days. In my opinion, the only thing that ultimately matters is how the sourdough is maintained, namely flour, moisture, temperature and frequency of feeding. My method (mostly from Peter Reinhart's "Bread Bakers Apprentice" and Maggie Glaser's "Artisan Baking") takes 4-5 days with minimal effort.

Ingredients:
whole rye flour, wheat flour 1 sec. (all-purpose unbleached), water.

Day 0. Take half a glass of rye flour (60 g), a third of a glass of water (85 g), mix, cover the resulting gruel with a lid and leave for a day. I always use boiled water (from the tap) when feeding the starter culture, although I know from experience that it doesn't matter.
Day 1. Open the lid. Most likely you will not see anything, maybe a random bubble of unknown origin. Add another half a glass of rye flour and a third of a glass of water, mix well and leave under the lid for another day.

Day 2. In theory, during this day the leaven should begin to grow. This may happen earlier, on the first day, and maybe later - on the third or fourth.

This is what my starter looks like at the end of day two:
It rose to the top of the vessel and fell slightly, a characteristic, very nasty smell appeared - something like quail grass. When the sourdough reaches this state, discard half, add half a glass of bread flour and a quarter of a glass of water. By weight it is 60-65 g and 55 g, respectively. Stir well, close, leave for a day.
Day 3. The leaven will not rise much, somewhere like this:
Again, discard half of the starter, add half a glass of bread flour and a quarter glass of water. Stir well, close, leave for a day.

Day 4.Again, discard half of the starter, add half a glass of bread flour and a quarter glass of water. Stir well, close. Now you need to watch a little more carefully - the leaven should already get stronger and rise faster.

Day 5. In my case, after 12 hours the leaven has tripled in volume and is uniformly saturated with bubbles. By this time, the smell should become fresh and pleasant, the taste of the leaven should be moderately sour. If you let it stand for another 12 hours, it will begin to fall off, but this is not necessary, the leaven is ready. Now it can be fed and stored according to the regimen described below, although it seems to me that it is better not to put it in the refrigerator for the first two weeks.
How to store and feed the starter culture

I keep 40-50 g of sourdough and renew it once or twice a day, taking 5 g for the next batch. This is enough to start bread at almost any moment. My starter culture always has a moisture content of 100%, i.e. the ratio of flour to water is 1: 1 by weight, this greatly simplifies arithmetic.

The starter should be stored in plastic or glass containers, avoid prolonged contact with metal, stirring with a regular spoon or fork is certainly possible. If you bake frequently, it may be easier to keep the starter at room temperature. Let's say you bake with sourdough once a week, on Saturdays. You can, of course, keep the sourdough in the refrigerator from Saturday to Thursday, but it's easier to keep the sourdough warm and renew it several times, it will only be healthier. Luda has a wonderful article in the magazine about keeping sourdough (now under lock and key). I agree with her - the aroma of a leaven living in a refrigerator will be poorer than that of a leaven that is not cooled below 10 C. This does not mean at all that if you are not ready to feed the leaven every day, then you should not mess with it. Yes, it may not be so fragrant and this will affect the taste of the bread, but still, as a rule, such bread will be much tastier than store-bought bread.

Take a clean jar and measure out 5 g of leaven. Add 20 g of water and stir well (with a fork). Add 20 g flour, stir well and cover. If the house is not hot (no more than 20 C), then maybe you will be able to get away from the second feeding a day. Look at the behavior of the leaven. The ripe starter culture will swell and bubble. If you pick it up with a spoon, it will stretch, and the gluten threads will be visible. The overripe leaven will fall off and lose its structure, but nothing terrible will happen to it, and after the next feeding it will return to its previous appearance and properties.
The feeding proportions can be changed depending on the temperature. Usually, as I already mentioned, I feed in a ratio of 1: 4: 4, but on a cool day, when it is 15 degrees at home, I can feed 1: 3: 3, and even 1: 2: 2. Conversely, at +25 I will increase the proportion to at least 1: 5: 5.

If you are going to use sourdough occasionally and store it in the refrigerator, then I advise you to keep two hundred grams, and add wallpaper or peeled rye flour to it. Take 20 g of leaven. Add 80 g flour (20-40 g rye and 60-40 g wheat) and 80 g water. Stir, cover and leave for 4-6 hours. When the leaven has doubled in volume, put it in the refrigerator. Once a week or two, the sourdough will need to be fed. Take it out of the refrigerator, let it stand for a couple of hours to warm to room temperature, take 20 g, etc. Before baking, it is very advisable to take the starter culture out of the refrigerator and renew it 2-3 times after 12 hours at room temperature. Refresh with the flour you intend to bake on.

How to make rye sourdough from wheat

To make rye sourdough from white wheat sourdough, or sourdough on wallpaper flour, it is enough to feed it with the appropriate flour two or three times. In the same way, for a few additional dressings, it is transferred back.

How to calculate the moisture content of the leaven

I always store my starter culture at 100% moisture. Moisture in this case is the water content expressed in baking percentages - a counting system in which all ingredients entering the dough (or part of it) are counted in percent by weight, with all flour being taken as 100%. Ie.in sourdough with a moisture content of 100% equal amount of flour and water by weight. In sourdough with a moisture content of 80% 4 parts of water and 5 parts of flour, 150% - 3 parts of water and 2 flour, etc.
In real life, 100% sourdough is not used very often. The fact is that the aroma of the leaven and, as a consequence, the bread depends on its thickness. Therefore, mainly thick starter cultures with a moisture content of 60-80% and liquid starter cultures with a moisture content of 125-150% are used.
It is very easy to change the moisture content of the starter culture. Let's say we need 100 g of starter culture with a moisture content of 65%. In total, the sourdough contains 100% flour and 65% water, i.e. the so-called dough yield is 165%. To calculate the amount of flour in the leaven, you need to divide its weight by the dough yield.

100 / 1.65 = 61 g.

the remainder of 100-61 = 39 g - water. We check:

39/61 = 0.64 (64%) due to weight rounding, a small error crept in, but, in general, everything is correct. Now again, let's say you renew the leaven in a ratio of 1 part leaven: 4 parts flour. Half of the leaven is water, which means that you have 4.5 parts of flour in total.

61 / 4.5 = 14 g is the weight of one part, i.e. the weight of the leaven. The weight of the sourdough flour is 7 g. In this case, the weight of the flour to be added is

61-7 = 54 g.

The leaven should contain 39 g of water. We have already added 7 g with leaven, that is, it remains 39-7 = 32 g. The final recipe in this case:
14 g sourdough moisture 100%
54 g flour
32 g of water.

Another option is possible - you do not want to deal with a sourdough other than 100% and just want to substitute the recipe for the one you have. Not really my approach, but still not a problem. In this case, it is important that the amount of fermented flour remains unchanged. Suppose you need 320 g of leaven with a moisture content of 125%. How much starter culture should be taken at 100% moisture? The test yield in this case is 225%. That is, in 320 g of sourdough with a moisture content of 125% will be

320 / 2.25 = 142 g flour.

Multiply this number by 2 - 284 g of sourdough with a moisture content of 100% will come out. But we took less water, this difference 320-284 = 36 g must be added to the dough. If we used a sourdough thinner than in the recipe, then the difference in weight would, on the contrary, have to be subtracted from the water going into the dough.
LightOdessa
Orlovsky bread
Two breads, Podmoskovny and Orlovsky, twin brothers. All the difference - they put raw sugar in the Moscow Region, and molasses in Orlovsky. I will bake both, but not in a row - in the region. the center is given a semolina, and I'll be there just the day after tomorrow. I started with Orlovsky.

For me, there is a clear line between rye and wheat bread. When the content of rye flour is less than fifty percent (inclusive), the dough behaves like wheat - when kneading, gluten forms, it is moderately sticky, easy to handle, it molds well, and keeps its shape. I prefer to bake this kind of bread on the hearth. More than fifty percent - and the dough behaves like rye. It no longer needs to be kneaded for so long - it is useless, do not mix the mixture - there will be no gluten, it is enough to achieve homogeneity and that's it. It is almost not necessary to form such a dough - so, quickly, with light movements, shape and put in a proofing cassette or in a mold. It is more convenient for me to bake such bread in the form, and when I find a form that suits me, then I will do so, but for now - the bottom version.

Leaven:
40 g of ripe rye sourdough with 100% moisture
180 g peeled flour
120 g water
1 g instant yeast *

* the recipe suggests adding yeast while freshening the sourdough, I find it overkill.

Dough:
300 g sourdough
235 g peeled flour
175 g flour 2 s.
9 g salt
35 g molasses
255 g of water, 66% moisture in fact, water according to the calculation needs 296 g (73% moisture).

1. Renew the starter culture six hours before mixing and let it mature at 30 ° C.

2. Knead all the ingredients into a dough. Kneading time in KitchenAid is no more than 4-5 minutes at second speed, until the dough turns into a homogeneous sticky mass.

3. Fermentation - 90 minutes, 30 ° C (oven with the light on). The dough increases in volume 2.5-3 times).

4. Place the dough on a lavishly floured board and shape into a ball. I do this not with my hands, but with a soft scraper, turning the edges inward and trying not to crush the dough. Literally 6-8 turns and that's enough. Transfer the ball, seam up, into a bowl covered with a floured linen towel. Cover the dough with plastic wrap and let stand.

5. Proofing - 60 minutes. At the end of the proofing, gently turn the dough onto a piece of parchment, shake off excess flour, sprinkle with water and place in the oven.

6. Bake for 45 minutes at 230 ° C (450 F). The first 20-25 minutes are with steam. Spray the bread again with water before removing it from the oven.

(I baked Orlovsky on pure sourdough, without yeast)
Yuliki
Well, thank you!
very valuable information.
the outgoing summer passed without sourdough bread, so now I'm doing everything anew.
LightOdessa
My raisin is plowing with might and main, only there is no time to insert pictures. The day before yesterday I baked sweet May bread on it according to Luda's recipe from LJ Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.

There was only one substitution - butter for butter margarine (well, I can't spill expensive homemade butter in baked goods - the toad crushes, I'd better eat it with the same bread!)
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I used my universal leaven completely in one of the rye breads, and I only had raisins left ... I decided to experiment: in Luda's LJ I found a recipe where the dough is 2 times more than flour and took this as a basis in relation to the leaven. As you know, freshly rejuvenated sourdough can completely and completely replace the dough, so I used this.
Recipe:
800 g fresh sourdough
400 g of wheat flour (of any grade, I have a premium)
water to a normal kolobok - I got somewhere 50-70 ml
you can add 1 tbsp. l. sugar, but I don't add
Kneading - 10 minutes on the Dough mode, turn off, after 20 minutes - 2.5 hours. salt
Knead again for 10 minutes, turn off. I molded the bread right away, without crinkling. I rolled it into a ball, put it in a frying pan with baking paper for proofing, and baked in it. Proofing lasted 2-2.5 hours (I didn’t time the time, I didn’t orientate myself to a 2-fold increase), then in an oven preheated to 250 C with steam, remove the steam after 15 minutes, bake for another 45 minutes at 220 C. My bread came out very large, there was a lot of leaven, but I was not used to throwing it away ...
Bread with a perfectly soft center, airy, but not porous, but I also wanted bread for sandwiches. The crust is quite thin, crispy, but not perfect. Perhaps, if I gave half an hour of proofing, the crust would be superb, but I bake at night, so I usually slightly underestimate the bread. The bread is absolutely not sour, it has a very good wheat taste, it looks a bit like a Ukrainian palyanitsa (one with a visor at the top).
This is how it turned out:
Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.

And the other day I baked on the same sourdough "Pancake cake with lemon sugar" from Stern: Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.
In my interpretation, flour and milk are replaced with mature sourdough, water is added to the consistency of a pancake dough, everything else is according to the recipe.
Viki
Quote: SvetaOdessa

My raisins are plowing with might and main, only there is no time to insert pictures. The day before yesterday I baked rich May bread
I put it on a manual program, my Orion has this - Hand made is called ...
Sveta, what is the volume of your Orion bucket?
I have Maisky from 500 gr. flour = 2 loaves in tins of 2 liters and with a slide.
If, of course, you can call these rolls bread ..... Such delicious May rolls with raisins.

LightOdessa
Orion has a maximum bread weight of 1125 g, so in the instructions, that is, the dough probably fits 1250 g, but I try not to overload the cotton, optimally take the components at the rate of 1150-1200 g. And I don't know the volume of the bucket, I need measure!
LightOdessa
Vika, I made the 2nd option according to this recipe, Lyudin:

Recipe for one May bread
Opara
250g flour 1c (unbleached bakery flour)
250g water
3g pressed yeast (I did not add yeast)

Fermentation 4.5 hours at room temperature (about 25C). Instead of dough, you can take a ripe leaven of low acidity.

Dough
250g flour 1s
8g compressed yeast (I did not add yeast)
3g salt

100g sugar
100g unsalted butter
150g raisins

1 large egg (50g)
a packet of vanillin

The raisins are mixed into the dough at the last minute of kneading, when the gluten is already very well developed. Fermentation for an hour and a half at room T. After 10 minutes of preliminary proofing, mold the bread and give it 1 hour 40 minutes of proofing. Brush with egg and bake for 1 hour 15 minutes at 325F with convection, covering the bread with foil after the first 30 minutes of baking


Only instead of dough I took 500 g of fresh sourdough.
LightOdessa
Finally, I am with you again!
Today I'm showing off my next wheat bread!
Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.
Sourdough bread.
There is one mistake in it: it stood upside down, so the roof is not smooth, but with a seam
Everything is as usual: flour, water, sourdough, salt. Knead by hand, precise proportions were not observed, all by eye. Flour approx. 600 g, water 300-350 grams, starters - 400 grams, salt 2 tsp. Elastic kolobok, proofing in oiled rast. butter in a bowl under the film, shaping and second proofing by mistake upside down.
Cooling down - cracking like crazy!
I'll cut it soon - unsubscribe.
LightOdessa
The bottom:
Sourdough bread.
Cut (could not stand it, cut it still warm, slightly crumpled):
Sourdough bread.
I won't talk about taste, you know; the crust is thin and crispy - stunned ...
Kalmykova
Svetochka! How nice to see you!
LightOdessa
And how pleased I am! You can't even imagine! Return to our slender (grain) rows ...

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