LLika
Girls, after all, I took that brown 1030 I didn't have the strength to endure and choose. Now bezeshki bake. I like it so far. Whipped the whites to the peaks in 3 minutes. I started adding sugar and after 10 minutes everything was beaten up perfectly, well, I would probably torture him for another +5 minutes, so to speak, I ran it in. In general, the "dough" for the meringue on the old one did not work for me.
The case was slightly hot, the handle for which I was holding was hot. And only then I noticed that there are no holes for cooling on it, the case is solid. The corollas are long - 14 cm to the limit ring (on my 200 W - 12.5 cm), the working surface of the corollas is almost 8 cm. Less speed than the 200 W one. The girls with the Bosches also seemed to say that they would like more speed.

There is one drawback, significant or not - it will show in work - it is heavy. She beat the meringue while sitting, put it on her knee with an iron leg, held it by the handle with her hand.

Lozja, thanks for the offer, looked at the average prices for them, estimated + delivery, the same 600 UAH will be released. And here on the spot.

Bulka, I think there is no difference in the corollas. From today I have 2 mixers - old with flat, new with round (wire), but they have different power, so beating cannot be compared.
Bulka
LLika_7 , Thank you for efficiency. I want to buy another mixer))) So, from all the re-read material, I concluded that it was necessary to turn on different units in the store and look at the rotation speed ... although it would be difficult to determine by eye
LLika
Bulka, if the power is approximately the same (the difference is 50, and maybe 100 W), it probably will not be noticeable, but 200 and 500, you can see with the naked eye. Today I already shouted mine
So far, I can only say about the meringue. When it is almost ready, I pull the weak mixer out of the "dough" (meringue) and it starts spinning so smartly, immerse it and you can immediately see and hear that it is hard for it to beat the whites. And the new one that I immerse, that I pull out - rotates in the same way, and if slightly differently, then it is not noticeable with the eye.

Melanyushka, Thank you
KSY-KSY
Girls, who has a Zelmer mixer with a bowl - how is the biscuit dough whipped with this bowl? I whipped with this mixer for the first time and something whipped very badly, so I think - this is a mixer or just a wrong day.
Kamusik
KSY-KSY, and what do you mean by the expression "beat the dough for a biscuit"? Probably beat the whites and yolks? The dough is mixed at a very low speed or by hand. Beats whites perfectly, especially with a bowl, not at all strained.
KSY-KSY
Quote: Kamusik

KSY-KSY, and what do you mean by the expression "beat the dough for a biscuit"?
I mean, beat eggs with sugar. I never beat whites and yolks separately on a biscuit. Even when I was studying to be a pastry chef, we were taught for a regular sponge cake to just beat eggs by gradually adding sugar. With the old "Ros", there were practically no problems with this, but the new mixer did not do it well. Maybe it was just a bad day, who knows. Therefore, I ask how others whip. It seems to me that the speed is not enough for him and the movements of the pendulum mechanism confuse me, in my opinion it interferes with whipping. Apparently, I'll have to whip without a stand, but I really wanted to free my hands ...
KSY-KSY
Quote: Kamusik

Mixer, but we were taught differently ...
Well, biscuits are different ... But here I mean the most ordinary biscuit, the main one, on the basis of which the cakes were made. How much I bake, I always beat the eggs, gradually add sugar, beat until firm, then add flour and stir, usually by hand, not with a mixer - always an excellent biscuit. I don't add any baking powder.I will still try to beat it with this mixer, I will try to remove it from the stand, if it doesn’t come out again, I’ll have to look for another, or somehow revive the old lady "ros".
LLika
Yeah, and I was also taught differently, and it was on this forum. Thanks to Tortyzhka, the very first and real I got her classic.
But this the biscuit is whipped exactly as it writes KSY-KSY

Dear moderators, delete the last three messages, they are off topic. They were said so to speak.
Kamusik
LLika_7 , no... KSY-KSY just talking about the classic biscuit Cakes!
But, strictly speaking, this is not the point. The main thing is that the person did not succeed. KSY-KSY , do not worry, maybe the eggs have failed. The mixer is good, tomorrow everything will work out!
artisan
My Boshik burned out (he’s not guilty, he’s a rare clever! I knocked out so many biscuits and Wet meringues !!!! If it were not for the voltage in the network of 380, I would still work) So I came to read you, because everything was itching. we must look for a new one. I want it not expensive, hardy, fast and I would really like it with and without a cup .. I'm afraid I won't find such

Quote: KSY-KSY

I mean, beat eggs with sugar. I never beat whites and yolks separately on a biscuit. Even when I was studying to be a pastry chef, we were taught for a regular sponge cake to just beat eggs by gradually adding sugar. With the old "Ros" there were practically no problems with this, but the new mixer did not do it very well. Maybe it was just a bad day, who knows. Therefore, I ask how others beat. It seems to me that the speed is not enough for him and the movements of the pendulum mechanism confuse me, in my opinion it interferes with whipping. Apparently, I'll have to whip without a stand, but I really wanted to free my hands ...

Go read it and watch the video. Did you beat that much? https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=121064.0

valuhka
Quote: KSY-KSY

Girls, who has a Zelmer mixer with a bowl - how is the biscuit dough whipped with this bowl? I whipped with this mixer for the first time and something whipped very badly, so I think - this is a mixer or just a wrong day.
THE MIXER WHATS WELL ONLY IN HANDS, ON A STAND IT REALLY JUST MIXES. I IMMEDIATELY DISAPPOINTED, AND THEN TAKE THE MIXER IN THE HANDLES, THE CUP IS HIGH AND NARROW AND THEN EVERYTHING IS EXCELLENT ENTIME THE SALMER
Qween
Quote: artisan

Burnt out my Boshik

Oksanochka, have you examined the Phillips? I took Philips, like 350 watts of power. And the beaters are completely metal, without plastic tweezers.
artisan
Anyutka, I haven't looked at anything yet. Boshik came to me for free, did not choose him, he chose me himself. And what is yours I'm going to see
Qween
Oksanochka, I have a HR 1561 model. 3 speeds + turbo. There is exactly the same + stand and bowl. I was still thinking about taking or not taking, and took it without a stand with a bowl.

There are probably other models now. I took mine about 3 years ago. I looked to make it more powerful, there was no plastic in the rims and stuff like that. I went through a bunch of options.
Qween
I googled in a hurry, then I see that this model is relevant and is on sale.
artisan
Look at the store, you can't feel it. we have nothing good, vaasche. In the internet I found this Bosch MFQ 3560
it is very similar to my BOSCH MFQ 3530 only with a bowl. Tell me, no one has this? I wonder how the whisks are there with the cup? Get it? Whisk, spin the cup?

LLika
Oksana, I have another mixer above, I wrote about my throes of choice.
it is said that the bowl is spinning. And the corollas should fit perfectly, they go as a set to the bowl.
Of course, it would be nice if the owners of such a mixer left their comments, but apparently no one has acquired this contraption yet.
I liked the phrase valuhka and although I do not have a mixer with a rotating bowl, but I believe these words, so what, what about Zelmer, the principle is the same
Quote: valuhka

THE MIXER BEATS WELL ONLY IN HANDS, ON A STAND IT REALLY JUST MIXES. I IMMEDIATELY DISAPPOINTED, AND THEN TAKEN THE MIXER IN THE HANDLES, THE CUP IS HIGH AND NARROW AND THEN EVERYTHING IS EXCELLENT ENTIME THE SALMER
Keti
When I was choosing a mixer, I also thought of buying Bosch. But, after going to different stores and talking with the sellers, she did not do it. In a nutshell - they said that now Bosch is not at all what it was before. Made in China, and many complaints. Drew my attention to Zelmer. After reading about him on the Internet, I bought a Zelmer.
I don't want to discourage anyone, I just want to convey this information.
valuhka
Katie, tell me, how does Zelmer beat biscuit dough and protein cream on a stand?
Keti
Quote: valuhka

Katie, tell me, how does Zelmer beat biscuit dough and protein cream on a stand?

The biscuit dough beats well, I did not try to make a protein cream.
I beat the whites without a stand, in a glass - great!
And put it in the refrigerator. Then I knead all the dough, and the proteins are cooled a little - I add at the very end.
valuhka
Quote: Keti


I beat the whites without a stand, in a glass - great!
This was what interested me. I thought that only I was not doing very well with the stand. Everything in the glass is wonderful
Keti
Quote: valuhka

This is what interested me. I thought that only I was not doing very well with the stand. Everything in the glass is wonderful

Well, how can you imagine - toss 3 eggs into a large bowl and try to beat them until high foam. They will only smear along the bottom. Now, if there were 33, then yes
And for glass 3 just right - the smaller diameter of the vessel.
Moskvichk @
Quote: valuhka

This was what interested me. I thought that only I was not doing very well with the stand. Everything in the glass is wonderful
I have Zelmer whipping with a stand, but with difficulty - smears on the bowl))))))) and when it comes to the wall of the bowl to the right, the whiskers catch the bowl and there is such a crack !!!!
Because of this, I bought an additional whisk in the Bosch cube - I wanted to get rid of the mixer completely.
Lozja
Quote: Keti

Well, how can you imagine - toss 3 eggs into a large bowl and try to beat them until high foam. They will only smear along the bottom. Now, if there were 33, then yes
And for glass 3 just right - the smaller diameter of the vessel.

I can quite imagine - beat 1 protein in quite a rather big bowl of a Bosch Mum combine. There were no difficulties.
valuhka
As I understand it, this Bosch of the planetary type (which speaks for itself), but it also costs about 3 times more expensive than Zelmer
Lozja
Quote: valuhka

As I understand it, this Bosch of the planetary type (which speaks for itself), but it also costs about 3 times more expensive than Zelmer

Duc I do not argue. I'm just saying that whipping one protein in a large bowl is not a problem, I even managed to do it with a mixer in a wide cup, and even three pieces - so there shouldn't be any problems at all.
Lozja
Quote: valuhka

Yes, such a mixer is the dream of any hostess (mine, for sure).

If you are talking about the mixer with which I did it before, Duc is an ordinary mixer, not a branded one, I wrote above, some kind of Vico, powerful, cost more than 200 hryvnia. Beats egg whites without problems, very high speeds and powerful beaters with wide blades.
Keti
Quote: Lozja

I can quite imagine - beat 1 protein in quite a rather big bowl of a Bosch Mum combine. There were no difficulties.

Something I can't believe that 1 protein can be whipped until strong foam in a large bowl. Can you confirm with a photo?
Rita
Keti,
I have such an aggregate that whips one protein, that three to the state of foam in a bowl with a volume of 4.6 liters. It was only necessary to first adjust the height of the rim. Just one time.
Lozja
Quote: Keti

Something I can't believe that 1 protein can be whipped until strong foam in a large bowl. Can you confirm with a photo?

I won't spoil the egg on purpose. I'll show you when you need whipped protein. Do you need a mixer or a combine?
Melanyushka
I confirm! In Boch 4756, it is easy to beat 1 protein in a large bowl, and if there are 3 proteins, then I already have a full bowl. So this is not a myth - planetary Bosch can easily beat 1 protein to a state of strong foam, the bowl can be turned upside down - the whipped mass does not even move.
Keti
Well girls, I don't know, maybe food processors are better suited for this.But what if some other mixer with a bowl (not a combine) can beat a few eggs?
irza
I have a Moulinex mixer with a bowl.
Today I can’t imagine myself without him. Everything in the bowl is whipped perfectly, a lot of time is saved, hands are free. And biscuits, and proteins, and cream, and butter - everything is great! I am friends with him
I didn't have to play with 1 squirrel, but 2-3 beats perfectly.
Melanyushka
Yes, probably, any mixer will beat even one protein, it's all about the dishes in which you will beat. It's like mayonnaise, you need a limited space - a narrow tall glass, then the mass will begin to emulsify. So here, try even with your mixer - take the same narrow tall glass, pour in one protein and beat, m b. not even with two whisks, but with one, it may take a little more time, but it should still beat. Back in the domikerskoe times I had a device for whipping whites, a rectangular high capacity, frames that were set in motion by a handle on the side, and in fact they whipped! I don't remember about one protein, but I whipped two proteins for sure - the foam filled this entire container and also to the state of foam.
Pogremushka
Quote: valuhka

THE MIXER BEATS WELL ONLY IN HANDS, ON A STAND IT REALLY JUST MIXES. I IMMEDIATELY DISAPPOINTED, AND THEN TAKEN THE MIXER IN THE HANDLES, A CUP HIGH AND NARROW AND THEN EVERYTHING IS EXCELLENT ENTIME THE SALMER

Quote: Moskvichk @

I have Zelmer whipping with a stand, but with difficulty - smears on the bowl))))))) and when it comes to the wall of the bowl to the right, the whiskers catch the bowl and there is such a crack !!!!
Because of this, I bought an additional whisk in the Bosch cube - I wanted to get rid of the mixer completely.

well, girls, you upset me. I'm here waiting for my Zelmer, and here is
milf
Pogremushka, do not get upset ahead of time. I whipped a biscuit for 3 eggs in my bowl and everything was whipped normally.
Quote: Moskvichk @

I have Zelmer whipping with a stand, but with difficulty - smears on the bowl))))))) and when it comes to the wall of the bowl to the right, the whiskers catch the bowl and there is such a crack !!!!
I had this once, I took off the mixer, twisted the bowl and put the mixer back, I think I just inserted it incorrectly. Although on some website I read a complaint that it was not whipped well in the bowl, and that they were wearing it in the service center, something was repaired, it became good. (I don't remember more precisely, so I won't tell you)
valuhka
Really, don't worry. The biscuit dough will turn out well, maybe a little less beaten. Or easier, take it out of the stand and you will have SUPER wonderful whipped proteins. By the way, wet meringue (whipped in a water bath) turns out great, although I read somewhere that there is not enough length of the corollas. Believe me, everything is known in the comparison of Zelmer-Bosch two incomparable positions, but they all have the right to life. You shouldn't even compare the planetary mixer with the usual one - the different operating principle and, accordingly, the result.
Keti
Quote: Melanyushka

Yes, probably, any mixer will beat even one protein, it's all about the dishes in which you will beat. It's like mayonnaise, you need a limited space - a narrow tall glass, then the mass will begin to emulsify. So here, try even with your mixer - take the same narrow tall glass, pour in one protein and beat, m b. not even with two whisks, but with one, it may take a little more time, but it should still beat. Back in the domikerskoe times I had a device for whipping whites, a rectangular high capacity, frames that were set in motion by a handle on the side, and in fact they whipped! I don't remember about one protein, but I whipped two proteins for sure - the foam filled this entire container and also to the state of foam.

So I wrote about this - that in a narrow container and 1 egg is easily beaten, but how to beat it in a "large saucepan"? It seems to me that it will only smear on the dish.
Pogremushka
The mixer is excellent, it beats well. But I beat the whites in a narrow glass (I disconnect the mixer from the stand and hold it in my hands).
Keti
Quote: Moskvichk @

I have Zelmer whipping with a stand, but with difficulty - smears on the bowl))))))) and when it comes to the wall of the bowl to the right, the whiskers catch the bowl and there is such a crack !!!!
Because of this, I bought an additional whisk in the Bosch cube - I wanted to get rid of the mixer completely.

The fact that your mixer is cracking is wrong, take it for repair.
k.alena
Quote: Keti

So I wrote about this - that in a narrow container and 1 egg is easily beaten, but how to beat it in a "large saucepan"? It seems to me that it will only smear on the dish.
I do not agree . Although I have a mixer without a stand, that is, always in my hands, I beat the whites always in a wide bowl. At least one, at least a few - is whipped into a standing foam. Unless, if there is little squirrel, then you need to tilt the bowl on its side. ... Mixer Bosch 3520 i.e. not very powerful. You just need to give the protein time (min 3-4-5) and everything will work out. In a Bosch MUM combine, it is generally funny to observe: this protein hangs around the container and does not seem to be whipped, and then at the 5th minute, once - and strong foam. According to the instructions, you need to beat for 6 minutes, and it turns out.
Pogremushka
Quote: Keti


Pogremushka
The mixer is excellent, it beats well. But I beat the whites in a narrow glass (I disconnect the mixer from the stand and hold it in my hands).

So I ordered it mainly for proteins. Well, okay, it's too late to rush about, if he comes - we'll see. And 6 proteins won't beat in a bowl either?
Lozja
Quote: k.alena

In a Bosch MUM combine, it is generally funny to observe: this protein hangs around the container and does not seem to be whipped, and then at the 5th minute, once - and strong foam.

That's it, the first time I didn't even understand what's what. I stand and watch, it somehow seems to be spinning so slowly, compared to a hand mixer, I think, well, it's for a long time. Then I was distracted for a minute, I went up, the foam was already white and stable. I still can't get used to it. I just want to adjust the whisk so that it spins faster, and then - bam, and you're done!
All the same, planetary motion is a force! As I understand it, this is the whole secret.
Pogremushka
Girls, what other stationary mixers with planetary movement of the corollas are there, besides Kenwood and Bosch? Not only are both very expensive, but I still don't need extra functions and additional options. Beating and kneading only. Or should I go to the "kneaders"?
Lozja
Quote: Pogremushka

Girls, what other stationary mixers with planetary movement of the corollas are there, besides Kenwood and Bosch? Not only are both very expensive, but I still don't need extra functions and additional options. Beating and kneading only. Or should I go to the "kneaders"?

Clathronic is still there. But he's expensive. In general, everything planetary is not cheap.
But you can choose Boshik for yourself without unnecessary attachments. But it will also cost more than a thousand (hryvnia, I don't know how much it is in rubles).
Pogremushka
yeah, I like Bosch without extra attachments MUM 8400 at a price of 17,000 rubles
Lozja
Quote: Pogremushka

yeah, I like Bosch without extra attachments MUM 8400 at a price of 17,000 rubles

Why 8 Series? Look for something from the 4 or 5 series, without attachments, it will be cheaper. They are less powerful, but for me, for example, 600 watts is enough for yeast dough.
Here is a Bosch MUM 52120, for example, 700 W of power, nozzles at a minimum - graters and a blender. It costs about $ 230.
Pogremushka
I don’t need graters or a blender or a meat grinder - this is supplied with almost all MUMs. That is why I cannot find what I need: either it is expensive for a good, but bare harvester, or a more or less acceptable price for a mediocre one with a bunch of nozzles I don't need.
Rita
Quote: Keti

So I wrote about this - that in a narrow container and 1 egg is easily beaten, but how to beat it in a "large saucepan"? It seems to me that it will only smear on the dish.
The planetary mixer also beats perfectly in a large bowl. There is a different design of the rim, and there is only one - wide. It rotates on its own axis and walks in a circle.
k.alena
Girls, I said above that I beat the whites in a wide bowl with an ordinary Boshik, but I only hold it in my hands.
Pogremushka , do not panic ahead of time, everything will work out for you.
Lozja
Quote: k.alena

Girls, I said above that I beat the whites in a wide bowl with an ordinary Boshik, but I only hold it in my hands.

So I say, hands are not planetary, and with an ordinary mixer everything works out perfectly.Even my mixer is not branded, and it does nothing. The beaters spin at such a speed that the squirrel simply has nowhere to go, it has to be beaten.

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