Kneading machines

I bought myself a Bosch - a food processor for 2.400 r, per kilo of dough, I'm satisfied
a minute - kneading, it is necessary to develop gluten - a piece of ice and another three minutes, proofing right in the bowl, from 20 minutes to 30 at 25 degrees C indoors
molding, begins to fit right in the hands .. excellent bread
but not for black

I bought myself a Bosch - a food processor for 2.400 r, per kilo of dough, I'm satisfied
minute - knead, it is necessary to develop gluten - a piece of ice and another three minutes, proofing right in the bowl, from 20 minutes to 30 at 25 degrees C indoors
molding, begins to fit right in the hands .. excellent bread
but not for black

Black_cat, what is your model? The price is very attractive.

Black_cat, what is your model? The price is very attractive.

MCM 2050 🔗
dough kneading - excellent, slicks, proteins, cream - 1 - 3 min. And I can do carrots with a knife, as for the blender - I already have three of them.! Therefore, I took it exclusively for the test

And 700 Baksiks is not 700 Euros!

So it is important for you that 700 Baksiks, which is 700 Euros for a dough mixer. And I will not buy it equally either for 700 bucks or 700 euros.

And I...

For mutual understanding! (in the voice of Buldakov)

And I will join you: I do not need it either. For small quantities - HP is an excellent dough mixer (up to 500 g of flour), for a larger amount of flour - kitschen works very well. I'm kind of happy. I don't feel like buying another car with dubbing of functions yet.

I just want programmable HP - yes. But "mine" hasn't come out yet. I want a full-fledged work with leaven. Those that are being programmed now are not yet satisfied. Half solutions. I think that it will come to very perfect models with temperature control, setting absolutely any time of proofing and baking, etc. Progress does not stand still.

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and what did CM Kenwood not please?

Kenwood is made in any gateway in the world, Electrolux Assistent Original c 1940 years since the release of the first model - only in Sweden. and it is not sold everywhere, you cannot buy it in the UK either.

Sorry for a typo - I am not friends with numbers since childhood

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Kenwood is made in any gateway in the world, Electrolux Assistent Original c 1040 years since the release of the first model - only in Sweden. and it is not sold everywhere, you cannot buy it in the UK either.

I, straight, let down a tear. The Swedes make a dough mixer with their own hands !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Considering their taxes and salaries, consider that they give away for free.
I wonder how the dough mixers, released in 1040 year?

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I wonder what the dough mixers produced in 1040 year?

same.

But this is not a kneader, this is a food processor, and so multifunctional that Kenwood is resting.

Mariana-aga (Luda) uses Assistent - this is not a typo, it is AssistEnt - produced in 1940.
This device is called the "Swedish miracle" on some sites.
Please note that they do not sell a license to manufacture it to other countries, and are severely persecuted for trying to copy or release something like that.
Hence the disregard for "their terrible taxes."

Yeast dough, really, KHP kneads well, but on dumplings, manti? My Panasonechka 257 does not pull, only the recipe for dumplings that is indicated in the book. But with what to knead a tight dough? And do not tell me how many watts will be enough for this - 500, 750, 900?

Yeast dough, really, KHP kneads well, but on dumplings, manti? My Panasonechka 257 does not pull, only the recipe for dumplings that is indicated in the book.But with what to knead a tight dough? And do not tell me how many watts will be enough for this - 500, 750, 900?

Yes, knead it with your Panasonic as indicated there, and then beat it with flour, but manually on a board or a silicone mat, everything comes out faster.
Dough mixers on the Internet are only industrial with huge productivity, but their prices are sky-high, and what to do with 150-200 kg of dough per hour? Add to this the storage space for flour.

Hello.
Maybe someone has experience with the use of the Clatronic KM 3323 (Bomann KM 362 CB) food processor?

Here is a photo


In terms of appearance and cost, it is a tempting offer ...
I just can't understand why bosch kneads at a power of 500-500 watts, but about this machine with a power of 1000 watts such a bad review?

Here is a review (translation)
The kneading paddle has a very large clearance in the mount and swings a lot. The mudguard related to it swings back and forth. "It's not that bad," I said. My standard bread mix is ​​now full. 500 g spelled (?) (Dark flour?) And 500 g rye flour. According to the description, up to 2 kg of dough is all within the permissible range.
Result: 1 kg of flour somehow stuck together to the accompaniment of the roaring noise of the engine. A stainless steel bowl swung back and forth in a 10 mm radius. The arm of the machine swung by about 5 mm. All this was accompanied by a slight electric odor (difficult to explain).
For light dough, pudding or cream, the machine is probably suitable, and it can also be recommended, but I do not think that I can knead my 1 kg of bread dough on it 3 times a week.
For this reason, unfortunately, I will have to part with her again.
It's a pity, because she is so beautiful.
Unfortunately I can only give 3 stars.

[alexeyda]

alexeyda

Than such a combine with eerie noise and wobbling (and, accordingly, more chances of breakage) - a programmable bread maker for kneading dough is better, IMHO

I just can't understand why bosch kneads at a power of 500-500 watts, but about this machine with a power of 1000 watts such a bad review?

I confirm. At his son Bosch, he cuts vegetables at 500 watts, but she took Myrta for herself - 800, and didn’t give it back.

I apologize that I wedged myself into the kneaders with the cutters, but this is reality, there is no escape.

Myrtu - 800

what is it?

I forgot him like a bad dream. And the model is even more so. I remember that Mirta, but there are several of them. And he's more of a chopper than a kneader. (although there is a dough attachment). I've already apologized for getting in the wrong place. just talked about power.

[alexeyda]

alexeyda

So that you do not have disappointments, like on the next branch with dumplings for the price of dirt ...

Remember - there are no household kneaders for dumplings in nature !!
Only huge factory units.
Believe me, the topic has been thoroughly researched.
Well, you can look for Assistent Original Swedish, but it is also not for dumplings dough, mainly yeast dough and a lot of other devices, you can even press vegetable oil in a complete set. But it also costs 700 euros, add shipping from Sweden (Denmark, Estonia, Spain)

[alexeyda]

alexeyda

Than such a combine with eerie noise and wobbling (and, accordingly, more chances of breakage) - a programmable bread maker for kneading dough is better, IMHO

+1, even on boshshe dumplings dough must be kneaded with your hands. But there is x. stoves, with 2 stirrers at a very budgetary price, they help us out. And the kilogram was trembling. test is not a problem. And on dumplings in 14 minutes

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And on dumplings in 14 minutes

Irin, well, we've already figured out that no solid concepts - dough on dumplings

Kseny I have a GASTRO QF-3470 dough mixer that is Chinese-made according to my passport, my daughter gave me a gift knowing how I want a dough mixer, but she thought about buying Kenwood or BOSH MUM, but it turns out that Boshik does not knead a small amount of dough, and I bake 500 grams every day. flour.

Hello Tanya.
I have questions about GASTRO QF-3470:
1) Tell me, how did it not break down in 2 years of work? (How many hours in 2 years did you exploit)

2) Kneading bread dough (as I understand you did it).
According to the instructions, it is said that the Equipment is not intended for kneading dough bread dough. (page 4).
How did he manage without stinking? Did it work well?

3) Mixing time.
How much time does it take to make a kolobok?
Yes, and it turns out a bun?
The instructions say: After every 4 - 5 minutes of continuous operation, you must let the engine cool down.

How did you meet these recommendations?
4) Are there any technical complaints about the device (fault tolerance)?

5) Do not tell me the address of the service service. (It must be indicated in the warranty card, I want to know the cost of replacing the gear for the future)

Thank you

I knead the dough on dumplings only in HP. Soft. Then I manually bring it to the desired "rigidity". I don't see any particular problem, since it is already perfectly mixed and the addition of flour is not difficult.

I already wrote somewhere that I make the coolest dough on dumplings in the Mulinex harvester (FP 7131). The instructions say so:
You can:
- within 60 seconds, knead up to 1.2 kg of dense dough (shortbread, unleavened or yeast) ...
I make yeast only in HP, shortbread - with handles, but for dumplings and dumplings - only in a food processor.

alexeyda, I answer your questions:
1. For 2 years of operation did not break down, in time it worked for about 10 hours.
2. All the same, this machine is more of a professional one and a small amount of dough is screwed onto a hook and must be constantly removed, I wanted a gastro specially for Italian bread, because there is batter and it takes a long time to stir. Initially, it did not stink.
3. It worked for me continuously for up to 15 minutes.
4. I had no instructions and no recommendations I did not adhere to. I don’t know the address of the service department, because I didn’t apply, I didn’t find the warranty card, I probably threw it away.
I do not advise you gastro, after all, this machine is more of a professional one, firstly it is very cumbersome, secondly it works like a tractor, thirdly it is designed for a large amount of dough, proteins, etc., for example, a small amount of proteins. It is very difficult to whip because the whisk does not reach the end of the bowl.

alexeyda,
I do not advise you gastro, after all, this machine is more of a professional one, firstly it is very cumbersome, secondly it works like a tractor, thirdly it is designed for a large amount of dough, proteins, etc., for example, a small amount of proteins. It is very difficult to whip because the whisk does not reach the end of the bowl.

Tanyusha, thanks for the answer, but a small amount is about how much?

Did you get the gingerbread man with large (medium) quantities?

Italian bread what is the ratio of the volume of water to the mass of flour (in percent)?
(Or how much water and how much flour do you take for such a dough)

In terms of size, I think it is no larger than the Kenwood KMC 560 (or even smaller), but it costs 2 times cheaper.
And for small quantities, you can buy a stationary mixer.
Tell me, if you compare it with the size of a bread machine, how is it?

alexeyda, a small amount is 0.5 kg of flour, I did not make a larger amount, but here look at the Italian bread for which the kneader was bought
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=13642.0
I think the gastro is bigger than the Kenwood KMC 560. If the kids hadn’t bought me a gastro, I would have bought myself a Kenwood KM 264, it would be fine for me.

alexeyda, a small amount is 0.5 kg of flour, for a larger amount I did not do

I would buy myself a Kenwood KM 264, it would suit me perfectly.

This turns out to be about 1 kg of dough.
Specify this yeast or bread dough?

(According to the idea, if it is yeast, then this is a drawback of this machine because it should perfectly knead from 1 kg of dough, make a ball).

a small amount of dough is screwed onto the hook and must be removed constantly

So, why do you turn it off over and over again?
Did you use a mixing attachment to knead the dough?
Can you upload / photo video of the kneading process?
Please compare your mixing process with this video:

and with that


Tell us what is the difference between you?
Maybe the dough should hang (wind) on the hook and this is the norm?
By the way, Kenwood, about which you wrote, creaks, horror!

This makes about 1 kg of dough.
Specify this yeast or bread dough?

(According to the idea, if it is yeast, then this is a drawback of this machine because it should perfectly knead from 1 kg of dough, make a ball).

And the bread dough - is it yeast?

Is a ball in your understanding a bun?
It is just what bread makers create.

alexeyda I can't lay out a photo, I didn't take pictures, I kneaded the dough with a hook and a mixing nozzle, and when I remove the dough, I have to turn off the machine constantly, the kneading process is similar to the second video BOSCH COMPACT-2 of 5. The difference between yeast and bread dough is me I do not see and came to the conclusion that it is more convenient for me to knead the dough for ordinary bread in a bread machine. And for a year now I have not used the kneader, the noise of a working tractor annoys me terribly.

[alexeyda]

alexeyda

Look at here.



Left - KitchenAid, right Electrolux assistant

If impressed ...

This one will knead everything you want, and beat even just one egg, if necessary.

[alexeyda]

Respected alexeyda rushes from manufacturer to manufacturer, from model to model, but does not specify in any way what his requirements for the combine / dough mixer. The impression is that a person collects very general information for, for example, an article.

The impression is that a person collects very general information for, for example, an article.

Yes, or for an essay at a culinary college. This already tired me a little.

Thanks for the code tip!

[alexeyda]

Respected alexeyda rushes from manufacturer to manufacturer, from model to model, but does not specify in any way what his requirements for the combine / dough mixer. The impression is that a person collects very general information for, for example, an article.

The task is simple: buy a simple, cheap, reliable kneader. Moreover, so that you can knead, if desired, up to 2 kg of dough.
So I analyze the entire dough mixer market. If I lived in Ukraine I would probably buy a Bosch MUM 6 ...
(HP does not fit biscuit dough you cannot knead)
Why common?
I already agree to GASTRO, and I ask Tanya specific questions

(HP does not fit biscuit dough you cannot knead)

Actually, the sponge cake is on the website, it is not kneaded in a dough mixer.

up to 2 kg of dough there are no cheap kneaders

alexeyda I can't lay out a photo, I didn't take pictures, I kneaded the dough with a hook and a mixing nozzle, and when I remove the dough, I have to turn off the machine constantly, the kneading process is similar to the second video BOSCH COMPACT-2 of 5. The difference between yeast and bread dough is me I do not see and came to the conclusion that it is more convenient for me to knead the dough for ordinary bread in a bread machine. And for a year now I have not used the kneader, the noise of a working tractor annoys me terribly.

thanks for the answer,

just noise, or is there something else?

I do not see the difference between yeast and bread dough

Tell me, does the dough you knead correspond to the first and second videos?
If the kneading process matches the video, then why remove the dough from the hook? (this turns out to be the norm)

(You will excuse me for eliciting information, it's just that I just can't decide I need this GASTRO)

Actually, the sponge cake is on the website, it is not kneaded in a dough mixer.

up to 2 kg of dough there are no cheap kneaders

sometimes Bocsh MUM 6 ..., gastro-3470 cost about 6,000 rubles

[alexeyda]

alexeyda

Do you mean what's in this thread on page 2?

Read on there, and in general, read the whole topic and it will become clear to you what is what

And in general, if you know what you like, why then flood?

[DO NOT knead !!!]

But the biscuit DO NOT knead !!! They whip it up, everything on this site is, how to bake a biscuit

[alexeyda]

alexeyda
And in general, if you know what you like, why then flood?

Because you can't buy in Russia (sold only in Ukraine)

And in general, I have never asked a question tell me what to buy, I just talk with Tanyusha about gastro, I think it will be useful for others, so there is very little choice.

When there is not a lot of dough, it turns on the hook and does not reach the side of the bowl. Of course this is your business, but my advice to you is to buy a better bread maker for kneading dough, it will knead better than gastro.

[alexeyda]

alexeyda

absolutely everything is sold in Russia except the Swedish miracle - Assistant Original ...
And you are not communicating with Tanyusha, but with everyone following this thread. You can communicate with Tanyusha with personal messages.

You distract me from the case, at least.

May the moderators forgive me for my freethinking and liberties

When there is not a lot of dough, it turns on the hook and does not reach the side of the bowl. Of course this is your business, but my advice to you is to buy a better bread maker for kneading dough, it will knead better than gastro.

Tanyusha,
that is, if the dough does not reach the bowl, is it difficult to knead such a dough?

Yes, the dough is difficult to knead.

Yes, the dough is difficult to knead.

Tanyusha, then this is a constructive flaw.
Have you tried to cook something else besides Italian bread?

alexeyda, I already wrote to you about the dough and whipping proteins too.

alexeyda, you were given good advice - buy a large HP - and you will be happy

I was looking for a thread for kneading small amounts of dough, now I use knives to mesh in a cube (it has a capacity of 1100), and with a hook - in MUM 47A1.

Could you specify what kind of CUBIC is?
And in what cases do you use knives, and when a hook, what is the difference between them, especially during the kneading process?

Tanyusha, then this is a constructive flaw.

I agree that this is rather a constructive jamb. On the other hand, if you increase the rotation speed, then the dough will move away from the hook and cling to the walls, thereby mixing.
After rereading the entire section, I still did not understand what to take for small amounts of dough, except for a bread machine, which is not needed at all.

After rereading the entire section, I still did not understand what to take for small amounts of dough, except for a bread machine, which is not needed at all.

buy yourself a food processor with knives. and you will have almost any dough, of course, you need to manually mix flour into the dough on dumplings or just roll it out and let it dry

As for the design flaws - there are none. But there are drawbacks of low-power household machines that cannot provide dough kneading for dumplings-dumplings, but they are ten times cheaper and produce dough up to 1 - 1.5 kg, unlike industrial monsters.

P.S. It seems that you are looking for devices that do not exist in nature, IMHO.

buy yourself a food processor with knives. and you will have almost any dough, of course, you need to manually mix flour into the dough on dumplings or just roll it out and let it dry

... But there are drawbacks of low-power household machines that cannot provide kneading dough for dumplings, but they are ten times cheaper and produce dough up to 1 - 1.5 kg, unlike industrial monsters.

The question was not about dumplings, but about small amounts. Some smears the dough on the walls, others wind it on a hook. It is still not clear which machine takes small volumes well, choose knives or hooks?

same.

But this is not a kneader, this is a food processor, and so multifunctional that Kenwood is resting.

Intrigued Rushed to watch
In general, I continue to sigh for Ken 70 and Gently stroke my pet Ken 10.
Here is the Assistant website.
Nothing spectacular.
🔗 dot assistent-original dot com / website2 / 1.0.2.0 / 9/2 /
It is interesting to know the opinion of those who made the dough and not only on the Kenes and on the Assistants
Pros, cons, personal impressions
We sat in the orchestra - waiting for stories
What if there is something that is vitally important - and we don't know.
The only thing that I found from what the Kens don't have is making muesli
And it is very interesting about pressing oil