Kneading machines

[Mila56]

Mila56Do you have anything in the city, are there any big shops?

Bosch MUM 52120

I will also watch the Boshiki, so I have a blender of this fire and I'm happy with it. And a boshik with a power of 500 watts. tough dough will not pull, this violence against him can end badly. Although, that's why I need cool dough? I'm not going to knead for noodles. And so if only dumplings, yeast dough, for pasties, this is from my heavy one. Although I want a margin of power.

I just need a kneader with the ability to whip cream, proteins and I consider a bowl only made of stainless steel and a power of at least 800 watts.

Kenwood KMC570, exactly as a yeast kneader, disappointed me ...
Until the development of gluten is strong, it does not knead, the bun simply rolls around on a hook. You have to go to all sorts of tricks, not add some of the flour, so that the dough is semi-liquid and stretches longer without going into a bun. But this method does not help much with strong Altai flour. The hook is massive, strong, but somehow unsuccessful in shape. Ciabatta and soft rye dough with K-shaped meshu nozzle.
But everything confectionery, semi-liquid turns out perfectly: creams, proteins (at least 1), curd mass. I especially like how the silicone nozzle rubs and collects everything from the walls.

Now it is better to take new equipment, because in service centers the equipment is not repaired, but only activated (for replacement or refund). I was also looking for a dough mixer before NG, I read everything and bought myself a Clathronic 1000W for 6250 rubles, although now they are already from 7700 rubles. With 1200 capacity, it was 3 tons. R. expensive. For home use, this is enough for me, and those who are engaged in industrial production have expensive equipment. Any technique breaks down, that is expensive, and that is not very, then how lucky. I have a German mixer (a complete set of plastic - an installation with a rotating bowl, with all attachments, even for mashed potatoes), so it is already about 30 years old, the power is only 150W, and everything works, although not as fast as the new combines. Choose for money, nothing is eternal.

A boshik with a power of 500 watts. tough dough will not pull, this violence against him can end badly. Although, that's why I need cool dough? I'm not going to knead for noodles. And so if only dumplings, yeast dough, for pasties, this is from my heavy one. Although I want a margin of power.

I knead the dough in it for bread perfectly. to films ..
Well, I rarely make dumplings, and if I do, then instead of water, kefir, the dough turns out to be very tender and plastic ..

in general, while it works for me (mmm) 500W, enough for the eyes ..

Do you have something in the city, are there any big shops?

Yes, there is Eldorado, M. Video, DNS, Center, Iceberg, RBT. But under the order, you can from what is offered and what is not on sale now.

Yes, there is Eldorado, M. Video, DNS, Center, Iceberg, RBT. But under the order, you can from what is offered and what is not on sale now.

clear..
Bosch MUM 54251 Styline Küchenmaschine -900W

Bosch MUM52120 Küchenmaschine Styline 700 Watt

Bosch MUM48R1 Küchenmaschine * 600 Watt * 3.9 Liter

The hook is massive, strong, but somehow unsuccessful in shape.

And I just fell for this hook, such a massive one, I love everything reliable. Because of this hook, Boshiki did not consider, their hooks are thinner

a hook so massive

Aluminum, I have at least .. Stainless egg beater. The scapula also looks alu ..
But a small amount of dough, for one loaf of 500g, spreads over the bowl. In this regard, making small portions is inconvenient ..

[Marina]

bought myself a clathronic

Marina, I also look at them. Today I watched a lot of videos on YouTube about how they knead the dough. So there, when a steep dough is kneaded, some include a high speed and the top of the kneader walks with a shaker. Although, after all, a steep thing must be kneaded at low speed. Marina, and how does he knead a cool dough with you? or what kind of dough do you knead on it? Do you use it often?

Added Saturday 14 Jan 2017 07:02 PM

And I like Kenwood food processors because you can adjust the attachments and make them a little longer to capture a small amount of dough. These nozzles are set at the factory in length for a large amount of dough. And when the test is not enough, they need to be shortened, there is a video on YouTube on how to do this.

[Ludmila]

Ludmila, the hook cannot be adjusted in length. Only a whisk.

the hook cannot be adjusted in length. Only a whisk.

Is it at Kenwood? It seems that they have the same pins, those that are inserted, here they are (the pins), because they are all attached to the nozzle itself with a nut. True, I did not hold the attachments in my hands, so I can't say for sure about all three.

[Ludmila]

Ludmila, in the Kenwood topic, the girls wrote that according to the instructions, the hook cannot be adjusted. It is also regulated at the factory.

in the Kenwood topic, the girls wrote that the hook cannot be adjusted according to the instructions. It is also regulated at the factory.

Clear. The volume of the test is always more than, say, one protein, so this is important for the corolla.

Lena, ok! Please, tell me how the eggs are beaten? And how many? Thank you!

It was all at work ... I just beat two squirrels. Sugar-free, lemon-free, cold from the fridge ... No more than a minute





I transferred 4.5 liters with a silicone scraper into a bowl of 4.5 liters in one piece



Beat the remaining two yolks and three more eggs with a glass of sugar





I had to bake a biscuit ...

Tefalka beats eggs normally. I have no complaints.
In the instructions I read that the dough for cookies, biscuits, that is, light dough, you can beat 1.8 kg. From hard varieties to dumplings, macaroshki, etc. - 0.5 kg

[Marpl]

German mixer (complete plastic set - installation with a rotating bowl, with all attachments, even for puree)

Marpl, Marina, what model is your mixer? RG-28 or something else?

I'm not going for noodles

what if there is such a desire?
I would buy Bomann or Clathron with a guarantee.

Added Saturday 14 Jan 2017 08:29 PM

what if there is such a desire?
I would buy Bomann or Clathron with a guarantee.
Kenwood looked now. Good too!

what if there is such a desire?

Yes, I think about it, today I don't want to, but tomorrow I will

I would buy Bomann or Clathron with a guarantee.

I also come to the same conclusion, and Kenwood bites at the price

[kubanochka]

kubanochka, oh, how detailed everything, smart girl! Thank you Lenochka!!
PY. Sorry that for the sake of experiment I broke you on a biscuit, but I think the family was happy

Bosch MUM58252RU is now in Mvideo by 19990.
It seemed to cost like that two years ago.

Niarma, Marina, yes, I have a RG28s mixer and it still works, but I like to beat mayonnaise with a Redmond submersible mixer. And I bought Klatronic before NG for kneading dough for bread and mixing meat for a ham maker. The mixing of these programs suits me. And what can it be that he kneads a few minutes longer than combines for 30 + tons? R., it does not matter to me. Therefore, I did not look at the expensive combines. And then you read this topic, and everyone praises their combines - how powerful they are, how many minutes they whip and all this reminds the conversation of men who boast about their cars - which engine, acceleration time, which wheels. But in fact, cars are just a means of transportation, someone of the middle class is a workhorse, another is a luxury brand. Also here. Earlier, the girls wrote that budget models can also cope with the main functions. The choice depends on personal preference and the thickness of the wallet.

Sorry that for the sake of experiment I broke you on a biscuit, but I think the family was happy

I'm happy. The family is happy. Especially when you consider that I "drank" lemon pomace from limonchela into the dough. This is a lemon-vodka biscuit))))) For "boys"))) But tastefully ...

[Mila56]

Now it is better to take new equipment, because in service centers the equipment is not repaired, but only activated (for replacement or money back)

Why don't they fix it? My Bomann KM 398 CB has been under repair for over a month.

Mila56, Lyudmila, if you do not need a large amount of dough, then I do not recommend Bomann KM 398 CB. A small amount of dough will be driven over the bowl. I bought it for a large volume, kneaded it perfectly, but could not stand it, it broke.

[Natalia]

A small amount of dough will be driven over the bowl. I bought it for a large volume, kneaded it perfectly, but could not stand it, it broke.

Natalia, And a large volume is for how much flour? For 1 kg. ? or more? I definitely don't need flour weighing more than 1 kg. And on about, 5 kg. will it mix badly for kneading on bread? The breakdown occurred after what period of operation? Didn't you twist? I just wanted to have the volume of the bowl and the power of the kneader with a margin, so it would not be overloaded when mixing a small amount of flour and would last longer.

Added Sunday 15 Jan 2017 10:04 AM

My Bomann KM 398 CB has been under repair for over a month.

Perhaps this period is normal. There, in the kneaders, gears often break (they are plastic), while you order them, while they come, while they take up the repair of this particular kneader. I watched on YouTube how they change this gear, but it turned out that one crumbled to pieces, and in the other there was already a crack, so they changed two at once. True, the mixer was different, but we all have gears.

Added Sunday 15 Jan 2017 10:13 AM

If anyone is interested, follow this link to see how the gears are replaced in the mixer. I don't know if I can add it openly to the text, so that's why.

[Mila56]

Mila56, Lyudmila, I almost always have a batch of 1.2kg. flour. Mine worked for 6 months. During kneading, something cracked in the head of the car and the hook stopped spinning.
But the batch is 500g. I didn't like the flour. If the dough is soft, then the hook threshed on it and did not collect it into a lump. If it was tighter, then I drove it around the bowl, without stirring. Probably from 700-800 batch will be good.

Just about, it looked like the plastic gear flew, because it worked, as if twisting, but the hook did not move, that is, there was no transmission moment.
And I will add real observations. Bomann has a better hook design than Kenwood. But Bosch is said to have a good hook shape too.

[Marina]

Mine worked for 6 months.

Yes, not a reliable model, the service life before the first repair is too small.

During the kneading, something cracked in the head of the car and the hook stopped turning.

It sounded like a gear and snapped, shattered into pieces.

Added Sunday 15 Jan 2017 10:29 AM

And I bought Klatronic before NG for kneading bread dough

Marina, and how much flour do you knead bread?

Added Sunday 15 Jan 2017 11:05

This one is still interesting to me in terms of price and functionality: Kitchen machine Moulinex QA5001B1. Its power is 900 W, and the warranty is 2 years. Does anyone have a kneader (kitchen machine) from this manufacturer? How do they behave when mixing different amounts of dough? And I don't know how they are with the service centers, I don't have anything from this manufacturer.

Added Sunday 15 Jan 2017 11:23 AM

Yes, I would not want such delights

[Mila56]

Yes, I would not want such delights

Mila56Whoever kneads the dough at this speed, the speed is somewhere around 3.5, but 1.5 is enough, that's for sure - a fool will break his forehead in church. You were in the Kenwood thread too, I would have taken either Kenwood in your place (I looked at it and listened to the engine work, otherwise I would have grabbed 500 g of flour for a test batch) or Bosch. It's up to you to decide. I also had a clathronic, I used it for about 3 years, I will not say anything bad about it, I was happy, there was no fish and cancer.But I will not compare with Kevud - it is not correct. Budget mixers are not bad, but for Kenwood, Kitchen, Bosch, we pay not only for the promoted name, but also for the quality. All other talk is fox talk about green grapes. Happy choice to you!

whoever kneads the dough at this speed, the speed is somewhere around 3.5, but 1.5 is enough, that's for sure - a fool will break his forehead in church.

Oh my god, these are not squirrels!
There are no words even. What nonsense to shash dough like that.

[Peter Push]

who is kneading the dough at such a speed, there the speed is somewhere 3.5, but 1.5 is enough,

Peter Push, agree. I've seen so many similar videos of kneading a cool dough at high speed, horror. And what do the owners want to achieve by such incorrect use of technology. Although they may be waiting for it to break exactly during the warranty period, it can be returned or replaced. And abroad, broken equipment is easily and quickly thrown away, not even repaired, probably worth a penny for them.

but for Kenwood, Kitchen, Bosch, we pay not only for the promoted name, but also for the quality.

It's for sure about quality, these are more reliable brands. From this list, I would consider Bosch, I love him and use the Bosch blender successfully. But the hooks for kneading dough seemed weak to me, will Bosch replace the tough dough, it is more tender, I did not see the kneading of the tough dough on Bosch on YouTube. And this is an indicator for me.

probably worth a penny for them

It's a delusion.
Not worth a penny anywhere.

It's a delusion.
Not worth a penny anywhere.

I just heard this from people whose relatives live in Germany, it probably happens in different ways.

[Marpl]

with all attachments, even for puree

Marpl, Marina, I also like this aggregate, I just wanted to clarify what kind of nozzle for mashed potatoes, there is no rub, or is it such a disc on a stick? I never used it.

And abroad, broken equipment is easily and quickly thrown away, not even repaired, probably worth a penny for them.

They do not repair it, because it is not always possible to repair it, because not all services are taken for repair ... Now the technique is so far removed that it breaks down in three years and cannot be repaired .. that's why they throw it away ..
And what about kopecks ..
How to say? I can't say that the equipment is worth a penny, in our country anyway .. and depending on what equipment ... and what kind of income the family has, everyone has different .. Well, maybe someone throws it away .. if it cannot be repaired. I have already thrown out 5 electric kettles. Every 2 years a new teapot .. I can also say that I throw it away easily and at ease and every time I swear that again another 50 euros for a new teapot .. as much as possible ..! In the end, I got tired of all this and I bought an ordinary kettle to put on the stove, for 19 euros and that was the end of the ordeal ..

Every 2 years a new teapot .. I can also say that I throw it away easily and at ease and every time I swear that again another 50 euros for a new teapot .. as much as possible ..! In the end, I got tired of all this and I bought an ordinary kettle to put on the stove, for 19 euros and that was the end of the ordeal ..

and I don't use electric, although I have it, but I use the usual one, but with a whistle, it's so convenient for me. I sit at the computer and forget that I turned on something to heat up. At least the kettle whistles at me, and the porridge has burnt many times. Sometimes I use a microwave, but there are prejudices, so sometimes I use gas the old fashioned way.

[Mila56]

From this list, I would consider Bosch, I love him and use the Bosch blender successfully. But the dough hooks seemed weak to me, will Bosch replace the steep

Mila56, a recognized guru for kneading dough Luda, she is Marina. yeah (her sites are now closed) she kneads bread and pie dough with Bosch 4 series, she does everything perfectly, she praises him very much, bought a combine for other purposes and was pleasantly surprised how he kneads wheat dough, but for pasta - I don't know.In Kenwood, the nozzles are monumental, someone jokingly called them the works of Mukhina, they will knead any dough.

and I don't use electric, although I have it, but I use the usual one, but with a whistle, it's so convenient for me. I sit at the computer and forget that I turned on something to warm up. At least the kettle whistles at me, and the porridge has burnt many times. Sometimes I use a microwave, but there are prejudices, so sometimes I use gas the old fashioned way.

Lyudmil, yes, I understand everything, I gave my example about technology .. And microwaves fail very quickly, but they cost 49 euros for the most money here, it's really a penny ...

Added Sunday 15 Jan 2017 6:07 PM

recognized guru for kneading dough Luda, she is Marina. aha (her sites are now closed)

She switched to another resource.
Here ...

🔗

Added Sunday 15 Jan 2017 6:09 PM

I don't use electric

We have no gas, we have everything on electricity ..

Added Sunday 15 Jan 2017 06:10 PM

Boshem bread and pie dough 4 series, she does everything perfectly, she praises him very much,

And I praise, and also only knead with them ..

kneads bread and pie dough Boshem 4 series,

This is not a question, it is understandable.

but for pasta - I don't know.

And this test would be a good indicator for me.

In Kenwood, the tips are monumental

They conquered me, I cannot forget them.

[Mila56]

they will replace any dough

Mila56, but the quality of the dough kneading depends not only on the brand and price of the kneader, but also on our manipulations - the speed of the kneader, for different dough moisture and the speed is different, the temperature of the dough, in the kneader the dough heats up, and the temperature is 25 degrees, otherwise gluten will not develop and so on. Observing simple rules, we get the right dough, and the right dough is the right bread.

but the quality of the dough kneading depends not only on the brand and price of the kneader, but also on our manipulations - the speed of the kneader, for different dough moisture and the speed is different, the temperature of the dough, in the kneader the dough heats up, and the temperature is 25 degrees, otherwise gluten will not develop and etc. Observing simple rules, we get the right dough, and the right dough is the right bread.

And this is understandable. You can have a "flying" technique and not be able to make the right dough and good pastries on it. Or you can, and vice versa, not have the technique and be able to make gorgeous pastries. A lot also depends on our pens.

I sit at the computer and forget that I turned on something there to warm up, and how many times the porridge burned

as if the situation was written off from me! )) I just got used to it and set the alarm clock in my mobile phone. A good reminder turned out, now I turn everything off on time)).

alarm clock in a mobile phone.

I have a kitchen timer. I am without him, as without hands ..

I have a kitchen timer. I am without him, as without hands ..

I'm baking pies right now, so the timer is 20 minutes. and put it next to the computer. Oh, now they will drive us out of here for a flood. We now have an RBT store (about a year since it opened) on sale for 7509 rubles. a BOSCH MUM 4406 kitchen machine. A plastic bowl, the power is not specified, but probably about 500 watts. And the main thing, they point out that the manufacturer is Germany. To gain experience and for that kind of money, you can probably buy.

[Mila56]

Mila56, BOSCH MUM 4406 has a power of 800 watts, this is a 4426 power of 500 watts.

BOSCH MUM 4406. Plastic bowl, power not specified, but probably about 500 watts. And the main thing, they indicate that the manufacturer is Germany

This is ... 500We with us it costs 69 euros. for reference .. Most likely this is a German assembly, since this model is no longer visible on sale .. not the latest model. But the quality must be good. Well, it's okay that the plastic bowl, I have it for 13 years and nothing is done with it .. And what is included in the kit? I had all graters and a hook, a whisk and a frame ..I bought a meat grinder and a bowl for cocktails later.

BOSCH MUM 4406 has a power of 800 watts,

Yes, it's not bad at all for the money.
Specifications
Specifications
Number of speeds:
4 things
Overload protection:
there is
Pulse mode:
no
Infinitely variable speed control:
no
Additional Information
Manufacturer:
Germany
Warranty:
12 months
General characteristics
A type:
kitchen machine
Bowl capacity:
3.9 l
Bowl material:
plastic
Power cord length:
1.1 m
Compartment for the power cord:
there is
Nozzles
Dough attachment:
there is
Miller:
no
Grater:
there is
Utility knife:
no
Slicing disc:
no
Stripping disc:
there is
French fries disc:
no
Dicing:
no
Berry press:
no
Shoulder:
no
Whisk attachment:
there is
Shredding / Slicing disc:
there is
Emulsion nozzle:
no
Storage space for attachments:
no
Number of attachments:
4
Meat grinder:
there is
Blender:
no
Juicer:
universal
Dimensions and weight
Weight:
4.4 kg
Depth:
31 cm
Width:
25 cm
Height:
26 cm
It's all about the BOSCH MUM 4406 kitchen machine

Yes, it's not bad at all for the money.

No, both 500W-looked in Germany .. so to speak, the country of origin. you can Lyudmil yourself, type in German in Google and see the characteristics.

[Galina]

Galina, and does your Boshik beat whites well? If you make a biscuit for 5 eggs in it, will the dough not come out?

[Galina]

Galina, and does your Boshik beat whites well? If you make a biscuit for 5 eggs in it, will the dough not come out?

Nothing comes out .. Everything is fine. I made a biscuit 3 yolks and 3 eggs .. Everything is fine ..

Now there is a good choice in Boschik: BOSCH The One MUM4657 -9999 rubles. / 550W. ; BOSCH MUM 4855 -11799 rubles / 600W .; BOSCH MUM4880 -15499 rub. / 600 watts. The latter has a metal bowl, and everyone has a complete set. Well, there are, of course, more expensive ones, I am not considering them yet. And in principle, you can buy a metal bowl later if the unit works well and suits everyone.

And in principle, you can buy a metal bowl later if the unit works well and suits everyone.

What for? to be honest, it never even crossed my mind to buy metal .. I don’t seem to need it, I don’t often beat something there ..