Deyrdre
Hurray, hurray, hurray - yesterday I did master the Italian bread. Reducing by advice LightOdessa and Viki water up to 300g. and replacing a quarter of the flour with Moroccan semol - the bread came out just awesome (though many here already admired it, so there is nothing to add). In the electrolux, the batch took 18 minutes, at the end I was even afraid that I had overdone it. I didn't take a picture, because the test came out 900g, like "standard size", but the membrane was just perfect ..
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Girls are somehow strange why BOSCH does not mix well a small amount of dough, I have such a miracle
a 4.5 l bowl kneads any quantity well and the Italian from MISHI is well kneaded with a spatula.
Well, Bosch has a bowl of 6.5 liters. and all so cleverly curved, only a hook for mixing, and the dough in Italian is still maybe 500g ...
Deyrdre, now everything is clear, thanks Flower

It's a shame that I bought it for the dough mixer, the rest was fine with me in the old combine.
It's my pleasure . Yes, the dough (if a little) can generally be kneaded in the 4th model, only for a long time, although for rye this, they say, is not very useful ... If you want to see, the mixer at tanya1962 This is the European analogue of Kitchen aid - you can type this name in the search on YouTube, there are many clips there. It seems to me that this (in the sense of GASTRO QF-3470 and not Kitchen aid) is a very good choice for its price.
Happy
I read the entire thread, but the question remained. I'm talking about power! All I need from the combine is the kneader. Everything else I have separately. 600 W and 1400 W Does power affect the dough kneading and how?
I don’t know if I expressed myself clearly, how I could. I got sick with this bread and bun. And what model should you choose?
Tanyusha
Happy, I had the same questions, my kneader has a power from 600 to 1000 W, it has 6 speeds, I knead the dough at 2 speeds, basically, and at 3 if the dough is liquid (like Italian from Misha), so I think if you buy a kneader with a capacity of 600 This power is enough for you. At the expense of the model, decide for yourself, personally, I was already inclined towards Kenwood, but my daughter solved this issue for me and I am very pleased.
Natawa
Happy! Where are you from that you have such a discount at Foxtrot? Is it for all equipment or for a kneader? I'm from Kiev, so we have like 10% and then you need to buy a gift for the amount of the discount
nut
Tanya 1962 please tell me what is the maximum amount of flour your dough mixer is designed for?
Tanyusha
my nut is designed for 1.5 kg of flour.
Happy
Natawa
I'm from Rivne, discounts are not for all equipment, selectively, some kind of promotion is only 3 days, and only from 9 to 12, but today I saw and touched Kenwood KM 010, voooooooooot this is a car !!!!!!!!!! !! now I want it, of course it is much more expensive .................
Deyrdre
The contract is more expensive than money - before leaving, I spread it for Lisss's photos of dough kneading for 430g. flour and 50g potatoes. The first - after 5 minutes of kneading, but the dough was very tight, I had to shove it a couple of times with a spatula (since the moving part is a bucket, not a mixer, it is very easy to poke hands and foreign objects inside without turning off). The second after autolysis and another 3 minutes of kneading is the final version.
Lisss's, big request, could you, if not difficult, try to attach the cube cutter from your 5530 to the 6th Bosch, suddenly it will stand on top of the plastic ring? It would be great if yes. Thank you in advance

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Lisss's
Deyrdre, thanks for the pictures, an excellent dough mixer, a dream ...

Quote: Deyrdre

Lisss's, big request, could you, if it's not difficult, try to attach the cube-cutting attachment from your 5530 to the 6th Bosch, suddenly it will stand on top of the plastic ring?

I would love to, but I have a model without a cube cutter - this is 5529 with it. I want to buy separately, but they are still expensive with us - half the price of the combine itself, so I'm waiting for the price to fall, and when it gets cheaper - I'll immediately measure it on the 6th Bosch and report back to you

I only doubt that it will - there is a fastener - a thin long pin, and in a 6-ke - such a thick fastener ...

Deyrdre
Absolutely not at all
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I would love to, but I have a model without a cube cutter - this is 5529 with it. I want to buy separately, but they are still expensive with us - half the price of the combine itself, so I'm waiting for the price to fall, and when it gets cheaper - I'll immediately measure it on the 6th Bosch and report back to you
Oh sorry . Then I will keep my fists so that the price will soon fall. And then we have them not that we do not - never will. Something can be ordered in the service center from the catalog of German spare parts, only in Germany there is no such thing either yet.
Quote: Lisss's

I only doubt that it will - there is a fastener - a thin long pin, and in a 6-ke - such a thick fastener ...
Eh, it seems the manufacturer has foreseen everything, it's a pity (from the side it seemed that the fastening systems were similar ..) Still, hope dies last. Thank you very much
Kseny
I am rehabilitating my Bosch dough mixer.
Yesterday I kneaded buckwheat bread in a wonderful way
Here is the batch result:
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Here is the result of the bread:
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Who needs a recipe, here:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...=26&topic=6467.0#msg71302
Margit
I am so sorry that I did not know about the existence of such a wonderful site before. My God, how much time have I lost!
Leafing through the pages, reading different topics, very interesting topics with recipes, tips, I caught fire to buy a bread maker, the choice fell on Panasonic 255. Now, after reading all the opinions already in this topic, I think it might still be better to buy a good combine - dough mixer, and oven in the oven, as before? Please advise, taking into account your many years of experience. What would you do now if you just started baking? Of course, if the funds allowed, I would buy everything at once. And now I have a choice, or - or.
Summer resident
I would buy a kneader now. My husband does not like bread from HP. The stove only kneads, but I bake in the oven.
Tanyusha
A good Margit harvester is expensive, but a bread maker is still cheaper, you can knead the dough in a bread maker, and then bake in the oven, and eventually buy a combine.
Margit
Quote: tanya1962

A good Margit harvester is expensive, but a bread maker is still cheaper, you can knead the dough in a bread maker, and then bake in the oven, and eventually buy a combine.
I see ... And yet, if you ignore the prices?
Tanyusha
Margit is now difficult for me to make a choice, I have both a bread machine and a kneader. Every day I make bread dough in a bread machine, and I have a kneader for certain breads, which I only make on weekends.
Admin
Quote: Margit

I see ... And yet, if you ignore the prices?

If you don't pay attention to the prices, for example, I really like the Kenwood combine with a set of knives for beating and kneading dough, such solid and strong whisks and a knife, and many different speeds.
Margit
Quote: Admin

then for example I really like the Kenwood combine with a set of knives for beating and kneading dough, such solid and strong whisks and a knife, and many different speeds.
And what model, you can look at the link?
Does it mean that it is better to get a good kneader and bake in the oven?
I haven't heard your opinion, Admin!
Margit
I think I found, model Kenwood Major KM023,
Professional machine. But Kenwood KMX-55 would be more suitable for me, nothing more, just a kneader, and the price is reasonable.
Kseny
In principle, I am very pleased with my Bosch, bought for 6600 rubles. - a combine with the function of kneading dough with a hook (photo on the previous page). The bread maker is now in the pantry. I do the kneading in Boch, the quality of the kneading is better, you can knead more batter than in KhP. I stopped using the scales altogether, I measure out the water with a glass, and the flour - as the soul asks for it, everything by eye, there were never any punctures. I bake both leaven and yeast.
The only thing that I use a bucket from HP for baking in the oven (I haven't found a suitable vessel yet). The bread rises 3-4 times.
At the same time, I do not moisturize, do not spray, do not cover. The bread is very airy with a thin crispy crust.
So now it is unambiguous - HP would not buy.
Begemot133
Kseny, and how long do you knead the yeast dough? And then the instructions for Bosch (I have 46R1) say 6 minutes, but it seems to me that this is not enough
Kseny
6 minutes is not enough, for sure. I don't know the time, I look at the elasticity of the food, sometimes I knead it for about 20 minutes. I prefer a thinner dough (to make it softer).
Gypsy
Quote: Kseny

6 minutes is not enough, for sure.
and in my about yeast it is written from 1.5 kg of flour plus ingredients for 2-5 minutes.
in my opinion, it does not depend on time, but on the speed and quality of mixing
Kseny
It seems to me that at any speed, 2-5 minutes is very little, gluten will not normally have time to develop. My kneading is optimally done at 2nd speed, if you do more, it will just sausage.
Gypsy
Yes, I got excited. I did not read it thoughtfully. It turns out that everything is much more complicated:
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Admin
Quote: gypsy

and in my about yeast it is written from 1.5 kg of flour plus ingredients for 2-5 minutes.
in my opinion, it does not depend on time, but on the speed and quality of mixing

Recorded - yes! But the dough turns out to be of poor quality for bread, not kneaded, there is no gluten yet.
It is optimal to knead until smooth and elasticity is obtained and a bun is formed - and this will take about 15 minutes in time.
Begemot133
Thanks for the answers. Just before that I was kneading in a bread maker, and there it was kneading for up to half an hour. And then I read the instructions and wondered how the gluten could develop in 5 minutes. Recently I still bake bread in the oven, but then the combine turned up relatively inexpensively, so I decided to find out this issue. I think he can remove the bread maker and knead in the combine. But the proofing of the dough in the bread maker is convenient - I abandoned it and forgot it for two hours
julifera
I have been wanting a good kneader for so long and at the same time sometimes knead in both HPs at the same time, leave the wheat for proofing in HP, let the rye stand in the oven so that it won't be pulled again later, and I don’t remember the last time I baked in HP.

But I still can't choose a dough mixer, then it’s not right, then it’s, most likely because I don’t really need it and the kneading in HP is quite satisfactory, especially with proofing and programming, otherwise I would have bought it long ago ...

And for the price - 2 HP together cost me less than one good mixer.

But I still want - quiet, convenient, well kneading all types of dough, without unnecessary attachments.

The model that I found Margitwhich Kenwood KMX-55 - I liked it, this vertical handle in the bowl is much more comfortable. Another would be to find more reviews on it ...
Kseny
Quote: Begemot133

But the proofing of the dough in the bread maker is convenient - I abandoned it and forgot it for two hours
It seems to me that proofing in the oven is no worse. I put it in the oven with the light on and set the timer, then turn on the baking. (Well, maybe one extra movement only in comparison with HP).
taty
Quote: Begemot133

Just before that I kneaded in a bread maker, and then kneaded for half an hour. And then I read the instructions and wondered how gluten can develop in 5 minutes
I like to mix in a food processor in 1 minute rude dough (in the sense of not mixed) and leave for 15-30 minutes for autolysis, and then a dough with developed gluten is obtained faster
julifera
Quote: taty

I like to mix in a food processor in 1 minute rude dough (in the sense of not mixed) and leave for 15-30 minutes for autolysis, and then a dough with developed gluten is obtained faster
in the sense of really in 5 minutes after autolysis it will turn out? wheat at least?
taty
I have a mum 4756
after 20-30 minutes of autolysis in 6 minutes - normal wheat dough, ordinary bogumila flour.
And rye, forgive me, I generally knead with a spoon - there is not much gluten in it, what can be developed there, in contrast to wheat-rye.
I read somewhere. that the dough with high humidity and with a high content of non-wheat flour is proposed to be made in two stages
knead the dough from wheat (moisture 65 percent), developing gluten, and then, using the soft nozzle, add the missing water and other flour, but I do not have the soft nozzle
Kseny
I read somewhere.that the dough with high humidity and with a high content of non-wheat flour is proposed to be made in two stages
knead the dough from wheat (moisture 65 percent), developing gluten, and then, using the soft nozzle, add the missing water and other flour, but I do not have the soft nozzle
taty, thanks for the idea, I wonder just what kind of nozzle is this, maybe you can do without it?
taty
somewhere there is a photo in this thread, until I found it ...
maybe you can without it, try
Hairpin
Quote: tanya1962

Girls are somehow strange why BOSH does not mix well a small amount of dough, I have such a miracle
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a 4.5 l bowl mixes any quantity well and the Italian from MISHI is well kneaded with a spatula.

I CHOOSE MY GIFT FOR WHEN-BE THEN !!!

This animal will knead the dough on dumplings, noodles and chak-chak, better than my SD-255? I don't want a harvester, I want a beast that will knead any dough.

There is no such beast in Khimki Metro.
Gypsy
Hairpin
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Hairpin
Gypsy, he stands like a manikin machine !!! To buy it, I first need to be Rockefeller's wife, and then his widow ...
Hairpin
The kneader that has Tanya1962 costs about 6,000 rubles. And I also saw a dough mixer in Expert, it seems, Krups, also about 6,000 rubles. If they knead no better than my SD-255, then I won't bother. And if it's better? How do you know?
Gypsy
By the way, KitchenAid is in Israel like many other firms like Kenwood ..
Hairpin, where is the Red Sea, can we? then at the same time you will buy a gift for yourself

my friend bought this one - she's not happy .. the bun is not done ..
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Hairpin
The Red Sea is yours. You would at least say what to divide / multiply these crocosides by the link to get dollars ... Otherwise I want to turn the monitor over ...
Gypsy
divided by 3.5-3.7 approximately. VAT will be returned to you at the border
Lisss's
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divided by 3.5-3.7 approximately.

Gypsy, if you divide it this way, what kind of currency will you get - rubles or dollars?
Freken Bock
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... my friend bought this one - she's not happy .. the bun is not being made ..
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Wait a minute! Gingerbread man is not needed here. The dough is different in consistency for bread in the oven, more liquid.

Hairpin, the machine is definitely more powerful than a bread maker. Kneading the dough for dumplings-noodles - song.
Hairpin
Freken Bock!
I, just in case, will clarify. GASTRO QF-3470 kneads the dough for noodles, dumplings and chak-chak without the strain that the SD-255 has during the same process?
Tanyusha
The hairpin is the only drawback of the GASTRO is very noisy, like a tractor.
Freken Bock
Oh, Hairpin, I'm talking about Kenwood. She saw a photo of a gypsy and carried me away! By the way, it also works like a tractor. And jumping on the table.
Hairpin
Freken Bock, I also thought that the bazaar is about different ...

Tanya1962! I wrote about the tractor, but about the kneading ... you already wrote to write, but somehow uncertainly ...
Tanyusha
I don’t make dumplings with a hairpin, but I make dough for bread every day in a dough mixer, it interferes well, I think I’ll knead the dumplings dough, it’s powerful.
strong
Girls, dear, there are no more strength of my ladies' more Already sitting and reading, and while standing, I read - everything got numb, my eyes - in a heap Please tell me what power is desirable for a dough mixer to knead dough for pies, cakes, knead minced meat - in general, for a deletant, not for a fan of cool and complicated mixes
tanya1962 , where in the internet it is possible to look at your loud model, I can't find something in any way?
And I still don’t understand which model Boshik has Kseney
Girls, help me decide, please

Fusha
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divided by 3.5-3.7 approximately. VAT will be returned to you at the border

Oh, may I torture you a little. In the near future, friends are going to Israel, and such a fantastic price for Kitchen Aid that I can't resist ordering this 10 kilogram dream. Tell me, in what amount of VAT, well, it can also become insolent and find out that discounts on holidays happen?

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