Panevg1943
Quote: gypsy

Does the oven get very hot on the sides? She's in a box of chipboard, as it were. Maybe you can step back from the refrigerator how many cm there, just tell me how much, otherwise it will be too late tomorrow .. the countertop needs to be done.
The outside temperature of the walls is different for all ovens. In no case should a chipboard box be made, since formaldehyde will be released when heated. You need to consult with the firm that accepts orders for built-in kitchens.
Gypsy
Quote: Panevg1943

The outside temperature of the walls is different for all ovens. In no case should a chipboard box be made, since formaldehyde will be released when heated. You need to consult with the firm that accepts orders for built-in kitchens.
And in IKEA, all the frames are made of chipboard (Well, what to do with this box? And what is the box to be made of, from MDF or sandwich?

Which company that sells ovens? I have not seen my oven in real stores, only in online stores.

I sat and thought, I’ll probably put the oven under the gas surface, so it will probably be easier for my husband and the equipment connectors. True, I will have to wash the oven more often and the beauty of the lines is still lost, since the triple cabinet of 60 cm will have to be thrown to the parallel side. And also a white oven and gas. the stainless steel surface will be combined provided that the kitchen is white? And then on both sides of the stove, all the same, all the cabinets are made of chipboard, which means you have to poison yourself. I solved one problem, but others appeared
Choosing a built-in oven
Cvetaal
Gypsy , I turned on pyrolysis in my oven, in half an hour I will report on the heating of the side walls.

My frame is made of chipboard, as far as I know, many kitchen manufacturers use chipboard: "Stylish Kitchens", "Europrestige", "Kitchen Yard", "Maria".
Cvetaal
Gypsy, I report. The side walls of the frame warmed up to about 30-35 degrees, such a pleasant warmth. Next to the oven, I have a drying rack and a drawer with dishes, through a 3 cm false panel, the side of the drying has not heated up at all. I draw your attention to the fact that this is during pyrolysis, the temperature is above 300 degrees
Panevg1943
Quote: gypsy

Which company that sells ovens?
And also a white oven and gas. the stainless steel surface will be combined provided that the kitchen is white?
Gypsy, at a company that accepts orders for built-in kitchens (the oven model does not play a special role, well, plus or minus 20 degrees). As for the compatibility of white and stainless steel, then a week after installation you will stop paying attention to such "little things", and then to the kitchen itself.
Boo Boo
Quote: Cvetaal

Gypsy, I report. The side walls of the frame warmed up to about 30-35 degrees, such a pleasant warmth. Next to the oven, I have a drying rack and a drawer with dishes, through a 3 cm false panel, the side of the drying has not heated up at all. I draw your attention to the fact that this is during pyrolysis, the temperature is above 300 degrees
Thermal insulation is reinforced in ovens with pyrolysis.
Gypsy
Yesterday, after consulting .. my husband decided to leave everything as it is. The oven will cuddle with the fridge
They threw me a useful article, I share:

Full set

So many interesting equipment is being sold now, my eyes run wide, I want to buy an oven, a double boiler, and a deep fryer. You also need to fit a dishwasher, microwave and, of course, a TV. In this case, there should be room for the table itself and the inhabitants of the house. Even a large kitchen can "drown" in these appliances. And besides the fact that everything should be beautiful, the equipment should be installed correctly so that it does not break down for longer and it is convenient so that you do not have to "wind" extra kilometers running from the refrigerator to the stove and from the sink to the table.Therefore, one cannot do without the opinion of a specialist: what, where and how to arrange.

AT A SAFE RANGE

When calculating, you should take into account the necessary, minimum or optimal distances between appliances or kitchen elements.

OVEN

A built-in oven is a device that does not release its internal heat (for which it is used) outside. The cooling system is required. That is why it is possible to install the device in a furniture opening, in other words, a cabinet, and this despite the fact that the internal temperature of the oven can reach 250-280 C, and during pyrolysis and all 500 C. Thanks to such autonomy, it is permissible to place any devices in the vicinity of the ovens, and even refrigerators.

HOB

It is installed so that the nearest wall is at least 7 cm for electric, 6.5 cm for gas and 4 cm for induction models. For domino wok and grill panels, it is worth setting aside about 10 cm.Despite such small allowable values, remember that pots and pans with handles should be placed on the hob, if the wall is too close, there may simply not be enough space for them. In addition, drops of fat can fly in all directions, including on the wall.

When using dominoes, the gas panel should not be adjacent to the deep fryer due to the possible throwing of the flame. Another "knuckle" is usually placed between them.

It is important to remember that hobs are a source of heat radiation, so being close to the refrigerator is not the best option. The increased air temperature in the immediate vicinity of the unit will "mislead" it, the compressor will start to work harder to compensate for this "heat". Thus, in addition to energy losses, such an error will lead to faster wear of the refrigerator. The insulating layer will gradually deteriorate. If the dimensions of the room do not make it possible to choose, the column under the refrigerator from the side of the hob is laid with thermo-reflecting foil.

As for the grill and deep fat fryer, they have rather large trays (about 20 cm deep), which are hidden inside the cabinet. So it is quite difficult to place any device under them, especially since it is not allowed to do this. High radiated temperatures can damage a dishwasher, washer or dryer, and even more so the refrigerator.

It is recommended to place the hob in such a way that there is a free space for cutting food on both sides of it, about 40 cm.At least 80 cm should be provided between the sink and the appliance, otherwise water droplets can easily reach the surface.

FRIDGE

Depending on the class, the operation of the refrigerator is carried out under certain temperature conditions.

From + 18 to +43 C class T

From +18 to +38 C class ST

From +16 to +32 С class N

+10 to +32 С SN class

In any case, the device is very "sensitive" to changes in the microclimate around. According to the manufacturer's recommendations, refrigerators are not installed near heating radiators, stoves (free-standing) and in direct sunlight. The higher the surrounding temperature, the longer the compressor runs, the faster its wear and the more energy is wasted. Lower temperatures increase the downtime of the unit, which can lead to higher internal temperatures.

It is not advisable to install drying machines in the immediate vicinity of a refrigerator or freezer. A stream of warm air comes out of the device, as a result, the temperature at the heat exchanger of the refrigerator rises, which leads to constant operation of the compressor. If there is no other possibility, it is worthwhile to provide for thermal insulation of the unit.

EXTRACTOR

Installed in the center of the hob. One condition is always observed here - the width of the hob corresponds to the width of the hood. When placing several domino elements in a row, their total width is taken into account. Installation height of the air cleaner:

for electric burners - 65 cm,

for gas - 75 cm,

for deep fryer and grill - 76 cm.

COMMUNICATIONS

For the operation of household appliances, it is necessary to provide them with certain resources. Every device needs electricity, and not just an old outlet that happens to be in the neighborhood. According to modern rules, built-in appliances must have their own power line with grounding, which has a protective circuit breaker. Do not use extension cables, as there is a risk of fire due to overheating of the wires. The same goes for twin tees. During installation, it is necessary to provide free access to the power socket in order to be able to disconnect the unit from the network. Usually for this they are mounted slightly above the floor under the curbstone, the space is closed with a removable plinth.

Dishwashers and washing machines should be placed close to the water inlet and sewer drain. This distance should not exceed 1-1.5 meters. As experts say, "pulling" the pipes is far from rational, they can get clogged, and it will not be easy to maintain them. You can take care of this issue in advance, at the stage of repair, make the supply of water and sewage in the right place.

Gas hobs, dominoes, water heaters are installed no more than 1.2 meters from the outlet of the gas pipe. But only gas service specialists can do this. It is impossible to independently carry out work with gas communications. A flexible gas hose can be used if it does not come into contact with surfaces whose temperature exceeds 65 C, and its length does not exceed a meter.

LOGICS

All kitchen equipment should be comfortable to use. That is why you need to pay attention to simple rules:

A. Door opening

Dishwashers, stoves and ovens with hinged doors do not fit a set in the corner area. The handle of an adjacent cabinet can become an obstacle to fully opening the door, which means free access to the inside of the device. In addition, if you need to "rummage" in a corner cabinet, the same handle can hit the front of the device and ruin it.

The swing doors of the refrigerator, oven, washing machine do not open completely if the equipment is against the wall. To increase the opening angle, you must leave a distance of 10-20 cm (it is covered with a cover made of the material of the body or the facade of the kitchen). Then both the shelves of the refrigerator and the oven trays will slide out freely. The door will not hit the wall, leaving marks on it.

B. Free access to the control system

It can be a problem due to tightness. For example, hoods equipped with a control panel on the side surface simply cannot be turned on if they are installed close to wall cabinets or a column. They are meant for free placement.

B. Logical interaction with other devices and interior elements

The dishwasher and washing machine are usually placed next to the sink. They are united not only by communication. Lightly rinsed dishes are put into the dishwasher - the sink should be nearby. In the cabinet under the sink, a waste bin is most often placed. It is more convenient to remove various garbage from the plates and put it in the car without unnecessary movements. Near the sink there is a drying cabinet or a dish cabinet, again without unnecessary steps the hostess puts clean cups and plates there. Somewhere nearby, it is worthwhile to provide a cassette holder in which cutlery is kept. For washing you need a whole arsenal of products: powders for different types of fabrics, rinses, bleaches. All this "chemical kingdom" is most logical to place in a special cabinet or in a drawer under the sink. On the wing of the sink, you can carry out easy operations with the laundry, for example, treat stains with bleach before putting things in the machine.

The most difficult questions about the installation of appliances "Consumer" asked the specialists of the leading companies - manufacturers of household appliances.

Can the microwave oven be placed in a cabinet above the hob?

Elena Mozzhukhina, Marketing Manager of Teka in Russia, answers:

- You can place the microwave oven above the hob, but not lower than 60 cm above the hob.This means that the person who will use all this must be tall. This reduces the level of safety, as there is an increased risk of overturning hot food when removing it from the microwave. In addition, the hood cannot be installed in this case. In general, you need to think very well whether it is worth putting the devices this way.

Is it possible to build a washing machine or dishwasher next to the oven?

Responsible for the product manager of LLC Campaneco, the exclusive dealer of Cata Electrodomesticos S.L. in Russia Natalia Yudicheva:

- Today on the market there is a huge selection of built-in kitchen appliances of various sizes. Kitchen furniture impresses with a variety of colors, materials and cabinet sizes. The consumer can arrange kitchen appliances in any order according to their imagination. When installing the oven in the immediate vicinity of a washing machine or dishwasher, it is only important to pay serious attention to the correct location of electrical outlets and drainage systems.

Damage to kitchen furniture is excluded due to the cooling system of the oven body. All built-in ovens are equipped with a tangential body cooling system: cold air is directed both to the side walls and to the door.

Can a dishwasher or washing machine be installed under the hob?

Alexey Kubyshkin, a specialist in technical documentation and training of Indesit Company in Russia, answers:

- It is possible to place these machines under the work surface, but a thermal insulation plate must be installed between them to ensure ventilation and avoid high temperatures on the work surface. As thermal insulation, you can use an ordinary partition made of chipboard or a similar material that can withstand heating up to 100 C. Craftsmen who assemble furniture know what this is about.

There is one more point to consider. The thickness of the hobs varies and the installation options depend more on the total installation height of the worktop. As a rule, the specified installation option is possible with an increased, in relation to the standard, height.

The manufacturer does not recommend installing the hob on top of the refrigerator / freezer. The rest of the options are possible in any combination, if the overall height of the cabinet allows this.

Can a drawer be installed under the hob?

Olesya Kasatkina, Marketing Manager at Ardo, answers:

- Modern built-in appliances are reminiscent of assembling a mosaic, when you can create your own unique kitchen design from the same objects. The oven is on the left, and the hob on the right, we will build the refrigerator into a niche, and hide the washing machine behind a wooden front door, so we can really put the boldest ideas into reality.

The hobs are now made quite thin, not exceeding the combined thickness of the worktop and the top lid of the cabinet, which allows you to place a drawer under it (for example, the thickness of the Ardo PI 58 IXT hob does not exceed 2.5 cm). At the same time, they frighten us from the pages of the instructions with incredible consequences. Nightmares, fires! As they say, the truth is somewhere nearby.

In fact, the hob burners, both gas and electric, are powerful, generate a lot of heat and need adequate air to cool. Therefore, if your imagination draws a drawer exclusively under the hob (any sacrifices in the name of design), there are several conditions to consider.

For free air (cooling), make a small gap (1 cm) between the table top and the drawer door. Or use a so-called perforated surface on the front of the drawer (small holes on the door panel). The effect is the same - air circulates through the holes and the door does not heat up!

And one more tip, it is better not to use a drawer for storing flammable items. Find a safer place for plastic bags, magazines and newspapers.But it is well suited for storing various kitchen utensils ... or your favorite diamond ring.

Is it permissible to install the hood so that its body on the side will abut against the cabinet wall?

Maria Shiryaeva, Elica CIS Marketing Manager, answers:

- Usually there is no need to create a distance between the cabinet and the hood. If there is not much room here, then it is not so scary. The only risk in this case is that the lamps can be very close to the tree.

Can I install a microwave on a refrigerator, washing machine or dishwasher?

The manager of Panasonic Admin Gornova answers:

- Formally, there are no restrictions, except for the requirement that the furnace must stand on a flat surface, that is, stability is needed.

The washing machine, on the other hand, is prone to vibrations, especially during the spin cycle.

And so, while observing the necessary space for ventilation around the oven itself - why not put it if there is nowhere else.

Is it true that not all washing machines can be put in the kitchen?

Irina Zubchenko, product manager for washing machines at Samsung Electronics Rus, answers:

- There are several ways to install the washing machine in the kitchen: regardless of the adjacent furniture under the countertop or fully built into the kitchen set. Despite the significant differences between built-in washing machines and conventional ones, when installing a fully built-in machine and when placing it under the countertop, you have to solve similar problems. Therefore, we will consider the option of installing the machine under the tabletop as the most common.

Not every car is really suitable for this. Firstly, it should only be a front-loading machine, that is, with a laundry hatch located at the front. Secondly, the machine must have a removable top panel. The fact is that most washing machines have a height of 84-85 cm, and the space under the kitchen countertop rarely exceeds 80 cm. Therefore, most manufacturers have several models with a removable top panel in the model range, which the countertop will replace.

Here, however, another problem arises: when the panel is removed, the machine mechanism is not protected by anything from dust and moisture. In the kitchen, it is difficult to completely exclude contact of the machine with water, and when the lid is removed, there is a danger of moisture entering the electronic unit, which can lead to a short circuit. To solve this problem, you need to purchase a special metal cover from the manufacturer's service center.

Finally, not all washing machines will "fit" into the standard depth of the kitchen set - 60 cm. When choosing a washing machine for installation in the kitchen, it is necessary to take into account that its depth should be somewhat less than the depth of the niche into which it is planned to be installed: small space for hose and wire.

Olga KUZMINA

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Gypsy
I am again with a question. Who knows why there is such a large hole in the bottom of the cabinet for the built-in electric. oven? (this is my husband who is interested)
Choosing a built-in oven
Jefry
Quote: gypsy

I am again with a question. Who knows why there is such a large hole in the bottom of the cabinet for the built-in electric. oven? (this is my husband who is interested)
For the flow of cold air to cool the outer jacket. The heated air is blown out by the fan into the gap between the door and the control panel ...
Hairpin
Quote: Zhivchik

ABOUT, Hairpinthen I will watch over you.
You have gas in your house, right? That is, there is a hob and a built-in oven. So?
I also need it.

You have a bummer Zinger! During the survey work, only the fact of a burned out light bulb was revealed. Koya was twisted according to the technical manual and given to the offspring for the exchange of 15 ice creams. The offspring took the burned out light bulb ...

The fact that the oven was turned off was also considered impractical, based on the parallel disconnection of the hob.

As a result of the above actions, no one was hurt ...
Pelaga
Zubastik, how do you like your oven at work? ... what new can you say? ... I also opted for such an oven ..: :) I'm waiting for a present from my husband. ... I love to bake and cook meat ... you wrote about meat ... but what about baking? ...

I'm also interested in the 30-degree mode for yogurt and dough ....: girl_cleanglasses: please write about this .... I didn't find something in the instructions .... thanks in advance ...

and there was also a model of this oven at the end of the letter A and the price is 7-10 thousand higher ... I can't understand what the difference is .... according to the description, everything seems to be the same ?! ...
Shinshilka
Hello. Today we were delivered electr. oven, but there is no kitchen yet and there is no place to build it yet. Is it possible to use the oven just on the table for now?
Gypsy
it seems to me that you can
lega
Quote: Shinshilka

Hello. Today we were delivered electr. oven, but there is no kitchen yet and there is no place to build it yet. Is it possible to use the oven just on the table for now?

Does the oven have at least some legs? As if not to spoil the table, if it is decent ... The air gap should be ... the temperature of something wow.
lega
Quote: Shinshilka

No thanks, no legs, but the table is old and will be thrown away.

I would think about some kind of temporary stands instead of legs. Even under the microwave, an air gap is required ..
Gypsy
Mine was packed with wooden slats, you can put on them.
MaRRinnY
Quote: lga

I would think about some kind of temporary stands instead of legs. Even under the microwave, an air gap is required ..

Oh, and we have a built-in Samsung microwave - it's like a monolith, without air pillows, I still don't know where the hot air goes to it, and how it cools down, but the machine is a beast, brainy, I didn't think that microwaves were so improved lately! : wow: And there are no legs under the oven ... it just stands in the box - almost on the floor, the bottom of the pallet is protection from heat ...
Jaroslava 333
Dear forum users, help me decide ...
Initially, Bosch decided to buy the installation, Siemens bought a dishwasher, Bosch hob (stainless steel with a cast-iron grate, but with an oven there is a dilemma: Bosch (Spain) or Electrolux (Germany), the functions are about the same, but Electrolux has a temperature probe (is it needed ?) and the reviews are not bad ... You already need to go shopping and decide, but I'm still thinking ... What do you recommend?
Luysia


Jefry, how is your oven doing there?

My neighbor suffers without an oven, after repairing the kitchen and replacing the equipment, there was not enough money for the oven. Asked to see her, something cheaper.

Jefry
How is she doing!
Already so accustomed to her, everything bakes perfectly.
It is my model on that site that is not, apparently, these are no longer released. They now have timers, either mechanical or immediately multi-button with an LCD display.
alens
Girls, tell me, do all ovens consume so much energy? Yesterday they began to calculate the wiring for the oven, we looked and it eats 3.3 kW as much as possible! It's interesting in what mode it eats so much?
Pogremushka
It's probably self-cleaning.
dopleta
Quote: alens

she eats 3.3 kW at the most!

And there is. Checked her - Burning - she has 3.4.
alens
Quote: dopleta

And there is. Checked her - Burning - she has 3.4.
I have burning too! Judging by the number of recipes you use it often And a lot of electricity goes away?
lega
Quote: alens

looked and she eats 3.3 kW as much as possible! It's interesting in what mode it eats so much?

My oven has a maximum consumption of 3.5 kW ... in which mode? I will not say for sure .. there is not a word about this in the instructions, but I did not check ... and the whole stove (oven + surface) - 11, 2 kW
lega
Quote: dopleta

And about "thank God" you can argue! Perhaps in terms of economy.

I wouldn’t regret saving ... I don’t know the gas tariffs ... but we have (with electric stoves) the electricity tariff is much lower ... and we don’t pay for gas at all ... That gas no, I only regret it when the electricity goes out ... that's when yes ... life becomes very complicated ... I can't even drink hot tea ...
dopleta
Quote: lga

The fact that there is no gas, I only regret when the electricity is turned off ... then yes ... life becomes very complicated ... You can't even drink hot tea ...

Does this happen often? For the four years that I have been living with email.stove, this happened only once, recently, when something happened at the substation. Three or four hours. But in such a case, I have a tiny single-burner gas stove on my balcony, powered by a tiny canister (like for lighters).
lega
Quote: dopleta

Does this happen often? For the four years that I have been living with email. stove, this happened only once, recently, when something happened at the substation. Three or four hours. But in such a case, I have a tiny single-burner gas stove on my balcony, powered by a tiny canister (like for lighters).

Not often, but it happens .. This is the last time you were lucky that you only switched off for 3-4 hours ... Lorik, where would we discuss your backup option? What topic to move to? I really wanted such a safety net too ...
alens
Quote: dopleta

And about "thank God" you can argue! Perhaps in terms of economy.
I’m just in terms of savings. For electricity, and so I pay 600-800 rubles per month, and gas costs a penny (31 rubles per person per month = 124 rubles per month for everyone and burn as much as you want).
And the light is often turned off, albeit for a short time
Maryan
there is a choice of three ovens:
Whirlpool AKP245 IX

Elektrolux EOB33 100X

Ariston FT8501 (AN) / HA

What to choose? Please advise pzhlst. Really needed! There are financial and time constraints
Jefry
Quote: Maryana

there is a choice of three ovens:
Whirlpool AKP245 IX
Elektrolux EOB33 100X
Ariston FT8501 (AN) / HA
What to choose? Please advise pzhlst. Really needed! There are financial and time constraints
Maryan, I would arrange them in the same order. Whirlpool is a completely normal inexpensive oven with a standard set of functions. Electrolux - all the same, plus recessed handles, a folding grill and the ability to cook at different levels, these are not very important "little things". Whether it is worth overpaying almost a thousand for them - decide for yourself. Ariston is the most expensive of them, but I don't like it at all. It features a country-style design and triple glass in the door. All. Design may, someone, may need just such, no question. But the door with three glasses will still not be so cold as to pay that kind of money for it. But disassembling it so that all these glasses can be washed is very problematic. And the mechanical timer is inconvenient, again IMHO.

PySy. Quite recently I rested in your area, indescribable beauty!
lega
Quote: Jefry

Electrolux - all the same, plus recessed handles, a folding grill and the ability to cook at different levels, these are not very important "little things". Whether it is worth overpaying almost a thousand for them - decide for yourself.

Jefry, sorry, but I bet. Recessed handles in my opinion, a very wonderful "little thing" ... I can compare, because I have both options. If now it was necessary to buy a new one, then only with such .. A folding grill is also very good. All this is remembered when it comes time to wash the stove ... As for the glass ... it is not always necessary to disassemble them for washing. In my oven, the glass is not triple, but double, but it is fixed "tightly", it does not need to be disassembled for washing. You need to look at the design of a particular door, this is not the most important, but important point.
Jefry
Quote: lga

Jefry, sorry, but I bet. Recessed handles in my opinion a very beautiful "little thing" ... I can compare, because I have both options. If now it was necessary to buy a new one, then only with such .. A folding grill is also very good. All this is remembered when it comes time to wash the stove ... As for the glass ... it is not always necessary to disassemble them for washing. In my oven, the glass is not triple, but double, but it is fixed "tightly", it does not need to be disassembled for washing. You need to look at the design of a particular door, this is not the most important, but important point.
I will not argue even once ... I have ordinary hands and there is nothing to compare with. But I came across reviews of happy owners, who suddenly had these little knobs either stuck and stopped moving, or stopped fixing in the pressed position. True, it was about Samsung, which I almost bought.
I read about the door and timer in reviews about this particular model of Ariston.That there are streaks on the inner glass, and the door is not clear how it can be disassembled.
TaTa *
I have Gorene with 3 glasses, I have never disassembled it, but why? After all, the inside does not get dirty on both sides, it was washed well. If the oven is turned on for a long time, 3 glasses warm up, but not as much as in the old 2, they do not burn themselves (for children), and it seems to me that the thermal insulation in the oven itself is better ... How to disassemble the door in the instructions is written.
Maryan
Quote: Jefry

Maryan, I would arrange them in the same order. Whirlpool is a completely normal inexpensive oven with a standard set of functions. Electrolux - all the same, plus recessed handles, a folding grill and the ability to cook at different levels, these are not very important "little things". Whether it is worth overpaying almost a thousand for them - decide for yourself. Ariston is the most expensive of them, but I don't like it at all. It features a country-style design and triple glass in the door. All. Design may, someone, may need just such, no question. But the door with three glasses will still not be so cold as to pay that kind of money for it. But disassembling it so that all these glasses can be washed is very problematic. And the mechanical timer is inconvenient, again IMHO.

PySy. Quite recently I rested in your area, indescribable beauty!

Thanks for the answer, the more I read, the more I don’t know what to choose. I read like Luxa to praise, probably I will also take it.
And in our area there is still indescribable beauty, which is what it is. Come on again. "Affectionately requested"
nut
And yesterday I tried my new Bosch electric oven for the first time - I baked buns for Bernu-Maizite on convection - well, it turned out so great, in 10 minutes. the rolls were ready. It seemed to me that they even tasted better than in my old gas station. Now the next step is sourdough bread - I will try to bake in the "hydro" mode, that is, with steam
oxotnik-t
Hello. Help to make a choice. I choose between the two Bosch oven models HBA 78S750 and HBA 38U750. The first has pyrolysis, and the second has telescopic guides on 3 levels against 2, the door glass is 4-layer instead of 3, the XXL oven is 58 liters, versus 56 liters. The difference in price is 4-6 thousand rubles, depending on the store, with pyrolysis more expensive. Although you can get the EcoClean sidewall and top panel kit separately for the 38U750, how much do they cost? For an oven with pyrolysis, you probably need a "thicker" electric cable connection, since the usual one will heat up during pyrolysis, or am I wrong?
TaTa *
Telescopic guides are very convenient, I personally do not need them for Pyrolysis, I bake everything in bags, the oven does not get very dirty, my usual ones, if something is spilled. Of course, if you actively use the grill and you are lazy to wash right away ...
nut
I have a Bosch 38U750 - I like it so much though I only use it for a month, but I learn a lot about its capabilities almost every day
oxotnik-t
Tell me, but baking sheets that can be cleaned by pyrolysis can be washed in a dishwasher, I don't know what to take Bosch HBA 78S750 or HBA 38U750, help with advice !!!
Cvetaal
oxotnik-t, I have a pyrolysis oven (NEFF) Before turning on this mode, you should remove everything from the oven: both baking sheets and tray holders. Only the walls of the oven are cleaned, and bake my own, you can also in the pm
oxotnik-t
Well, how is pyrolysis, do you need it? It's just that, in contrast to 38 models, 1 telescopic guide is larger, the oven is 2 liters more, and the glass is 4-ply, not 3, well, the price is 6 thousand less
Cvetaal
To choose for you, when I chose mine, pyrolysis was an obligatory function for me. After pyrolysis, the oven is just like fresh from the store, everything is clean and without problems
Jefry
Quote: Cvetaal

After pyrolysis, the oven is just like fresh from the store, everything is clean and without problems
Is there not much smoke after such a procedure? And the furniture near the oven does not suffer?
Freesia
I settled on the Burning oven BO7345RW, please tell me who uses this.
Cvetaal
Jefry, for three years of using the oven, no changes have occurred with the furniture, there is no pillar of smoke, although the smell of burning is sometimes slightly felt.The oven is located about 3 meters from the hood. Here I showed my kitchen, in the first photo the location of the oven, topic 170 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=1366.160
Maria83
I would recommend the same as ours - and we have a beko, the model is called OIM 25500 XL - a beauty. Also, by the way, a multifunctional, it bakes beautifully and one of the 12 programs includes 3D cooking) everything is on the level! And I often use it as a microwave, which I do not have - there is defrosting and keeping warm and that's it. There is a grill + fan - and the grill is very cool, it is convenient to wash everything after this insanely delicious dish. On the technical side - there is a ring heating element, many say that this is the best option, although I don't really understand. I personally liked the price and warranty of this oven, and of course the design. and a big timer. The oven itself is made of stainless steel - so this steel is covered with "anti-fingerprint" special something - so it always remains clean)) very nice. The accessories are also cool for it - well, the energy class is A) so even during rush hours I bake)
Nikolaevna
What can you say about a Hansa oven? my husband decided to set me up here, bought without me, brought it and took it away on a business trip. And here I am walking around her, still wrapped and thinking, did I buy what I wanted?
Sonadora
I can tell you which oven you definitely don't need to buy - Electrolux EOG 23400 K (gas).
I have been suffering with her for 2 years. Sometimes it works fine, and sometimes I want to throw it out, because of problems in her brains, which are responsible for the power section, and which, as it turned out, are nowhere and no one is being treated, the "gas blocking" indicator periodically lights up, which is why auto-ignition does not occur (during operation, to maintain the set temperature, the oven itself turns the gas on and off).
xfqrf
I can tell you which oven you definitely don't need to buy - Electrolux EOG 23400 K (gas).
I have been suffering with her for 2 years. Sometimes it works fine, and sometimes I throw it out

SONADORA, Very strange. I have an Electrolux stove, there is no number on it, for 5 years already, the top is gas, the bottom is electric. I am very satisfied. Firstly, it is easy to clean, and secondly, all the bells and whistles are easy to maintain, and thirdly, she never let me down. I even refused the built-in for these reasons. Maybe you got this or the master did not connect well? It has such a trick that for our gas we need a special gasket, I don’t remember exactly, but in my opinion I had both attached. And yet, all the trays I wash in the dishwasher, including the upper grates, are very convenient.

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