Coffee machine

Margit- Ritochka, tell me your Delongi asked to be washed or not? It has been working for me for a year now, 2 times a day, on weekends it turns out 5 times, but I did not ask to wash yet.There is a filter in the computer, but I did not insert it initially, I only use water purified through Aquaphor

You know, by the nature of my job (at one time I worked in a home appliance store for a very large company), I tried coffee from a mass of coffee machines. And, for my taste, the coffee from Saeco was not the best, rather the opposite. DeLongi used it at one time, somewhere in 2005 - 2006, it seemed not very convenient to use. Now, for more than 5 years Siemens has been at home - happy as an elephant! And the coffee is excellent, and convenient, and there is a cappuccinator, although I don't use it. Recently I advised a friend to buy a similar model from Bosch from the TCA 680 * series. My friend is also delighted. So here's some more information for thought

In-in! I also tried from entoy Saeki - swill swill. The most delicious coffee I have ever tasted from a Nespresso capsule machine.

My husband has a capsule Nespresso at work (with many varieties) - he absolutely does not like
And he likes the pod Nespresso

[annyshka78]

annyshka78
I advise you to contact the knowledgeable and knowledgeable people from the xbt forum, otherwise we will advise you here now ...

Nut - Irina
I descale my car every month without waiting for her "invitation".
I use bottled water "Sister" - Soft. I think it's time for you to descale yours. Pay attention to the kettle (if you use the same water), if there is scale in it. I think any water, except distilled water, forms scale. I use this descaler:

My husband has a capsule Nespresso at work (with many varieties) - he absolutely does not like
And he likes the pod Nespresso

Chaldovaya, probably Nescafe? I think he, too, is not a lover of coffee, but of coffee drinks with milk?

[Nut]

Margit- Ritochka, tell me your Delongi asked to be washed or not? It has been working for me for a year now, 2 times a day, on weekends it turns out 5 times, but I did not ask to wash yet.There is a filter in the computer, but I did not insert it initially, I only use water purified through Aquaphor

Nut, and I, too, have a coffee machine for half a year and do not ask to remove scale, but I wait and wait ... I asked my husband, and it turns out that he was already cleaning it, although she did not ask. And at the very beginning, when I tested the water for hardness, the test strip did not change color at all. I pour filtered water.

I advise you to contact the knowledgeable and knowledgeable people from the xbt forum

...... what kind of animal is this? ....

Chaldovaya, probably Nescafe? I think he, too, is not a lover of coffee, but of coffee drinks with milk?

This i love coffee with milk (at home), or black without sugar (at work), he drinks black (both at home and at work with sugar)

And where to look it is necessary to eat scale or not?

And where to look it is necessary to eat scale or not?

Can't you see limescale in the kettle? So your water is generally cool, almost distilled. We have, though soft, but a little scale, but formed.

This i love coffee with milk (at home), or black without sugar (at work), he drinks black (both at home and at work with sugar)

The funny thing is that the names of the varieties are exactly the same as in the capsule coffee maker. I wonder why there is such a difference in taste? Or more coffee pods fit?

[Rita]

Rita,
Could it really be that there is more weight in pods?

Rita, in the teapot, I have Bork, it has been working for 3 months already, there is no scale But I asked for the coffee machine - where should I look in it about the scale

My machine asks to descale it every 3 months of operation, I pour water from a filter or purchased.
Antonovka at my work is the same coffee machine as you have in the picture and I don't like coffee, I bought a simple semi-automatic Roventa coffee maker especially for work.

[Tanyusha]

Tanyusha,
Tan, as I understand it, everyone has different tastes))))

Irina.
You don't need to look anywhere, because scale is formed in the tubes, they are inside. But you still clean the machine, you will see, the coffee will be as tasty as on the first day of purchase! The machine asks for cleaning on average after 500 cups of coffee, so they write.
Tanyusha,
And what kind of machine is Roventa, how is it in operation and how is the coffee on it? Can I see the photo?

Margit bought the simplest one like this, of course at home from a coffee machine is much better, but it will do for work. Milk beats well.[/ Url

Thank you Tanyusha.
My husband looks after a simpler machine for work, and I choose.

From my experience with coffee machines, I know that for top models of any manufacturer, as the need arises for this or that cleaning (from scale or coffee oils), the corresponding messages are displayed on the display. But, the frequency of the appearance of descaling directly depends on the hardness indicator of the water used set in the menu. Also, the frequency of the appearance of the message about the need for descaling is influenced by the presence of an installed water filter directly in the water tank, but if you use already filtered water for making coffee normal, i.e. not in the form of a jug with a filter, the internal filter can not be used. Any cleaning is best done using proprietary products produced by the manufacturer of the coffee machine, but the descaling tablets can be replaced with any descaling agent for coffee makers, for example, I use the TopHouse cleaner shown in several posts above. The tablets for cleaning coffee oils can be replaced with similar tablets from any other manufacturer, as long as the new tablets pass into the barrel for loading ground coffee. Since in most cases, these tablets are loaded during the cleaning process through the barrel of the ground coffee.

Margit- Ritochka, tell me your Delongi asked to be washed or not? It has been working for me for a year now, 2 times a day, on weekends it turns out 5 times, but I did not ask to wash yet.There is a filter in the computer, but I did not insert it initially, I only use water purified through Aquaphor

Tell me, what model of coffee machine do you have?

My Saeko Talea, in my opinion, even puts on the menu the number of cups through which she asks for decalcification. But we have water after a reverse osmosis filter, the kettle has not even a hint of scale for 7 years, I carry out the decalcification cycle with just water (the number of cups is at the maximum, and you can't do it, it constantly writes on the display when the time comes). Or is it still necessary? And she is generally silent about cleaning from oils, just a few days ago Nada read instructions

[Nut]

Tell me, what model of coffee machine do you have?

Irishka's - Nut Delonghi ECAM 23.450S

[Nut]

My Saeko Talea, in my opinion, even puts on the menu the number of cups through which she asks for decalcification. But we have water after a reverse osmosis filter, the kettle has not even a hint of scale for 7 years, I carry out the decalcification cycle with just water (the number of cups is at the maximum, and you can't do it, it constantly writes on the display when the time is right). Or is it still necessary? And she is generally silent about cleaning from oils, just a few days ago Nada read instructions

With such a filter, you really don't need to worry about limescale! I read the instructions for your car, if you can believe it, then you have neither an indication of cleaning from oils, nor the cleaning mode itself. Why so - I find it difficult to answer. Since I personally don't like Saeco coffee, I never tried to "get to know them better." But with all the other machines that I had to communicate with: Siemens; Bosch; Jura; Miele, they all had a coffee oil cleaning mode. The only thing I can assume is that this cleaning at Saeco is performed at the same time as descaling, but this is unlikely, because it is one thing to clean the heating element and quite another thing to clean the brewing mechanism.

P.S. Although Saeco tablets are commercially available. For example:

Irishka's - Nut Delonghi ECAM 23.450S

A similar situation is with Irina-Oreshek. There is not a word about the cleaning mode from oils in the instructions.

Maybe this is because it bursts with boiling water every time it is turned on? And the water then flows out into the weak tea-colored cup, i.e. the entire infuser is rinsed out.

I wash it every time after turning it on and off.

So we will assume that these oils do not accumulate with you, but are washed out every day

And I also wash it when turning it on and off.

Maybe this is because it bursts with boiling water every time it is turned on? And the water then flows out into the weak tea-colored cup, i.e. the entire infuser is rinsed out.

No! So to think - it's fundamentally wrong! Firstly, because there is simply no "boiling water" in the coffee machine, and secondly, in Siemens when switching on and off after use, I also have such a flushing, but there is also a mode of cleaning from coffee oils and an indication of the need for it.
So, while I was writing this message, I contacted a representative of Kenwood, which specializes in coffee makers / machines. According to him, Saeco and DeLonghi are installing mechanisms for making coffee of a new type, in which the prepared drink is fed directly into the cup, bypassing all kinds of pipes, etc. Accordingly, such a mechanism can be simply removed from the coffee machine and rinsed under running water. Cleaning from coffee oils with the help of tablets is necessary for those coffee machines in which coffee is supplied to the cup through tubes, since it is in them that oils accumulate. Something like that.

Tuk, excuse me, of course, but this is the first time I hear that Kenwood specializes in coffee makers / machines. Before buying a coffee machine, I read so much about coffee machine manufacturers about the coffee machines themselves on the ixbt and Prokof forums, and not where Kenwood was mentioned.

Espresso coffee machine Kenwood ES 021 K-MIX coffee maker red
Maximum pressure: 15 bar
Used coffee: ground
On / off indicator
Adjusting the hot water portion
Possibility of making cappuccino
Professional foamer
Removable drip tray
Water filter
Storage compartment for replaceable filters for one / two cups
Simultaneous preparation of 2 cups
Warming cups
Body material: aluminum, polished stainless steel

Semi-automatic to myself ...

So, while I was writing this message, I contacted a representative of Kenwood, which specializes in coffee makers / machines. According to him, Saeco and DeLonghi are installing mechanisms for making coffee of a new type, in which the prepared drink is directly fed into the cup, bypassing all kinds of pipes, etc.)

But what about the scale, because it is almost the same:

the prepared drink is directly fed into the cup, bypassing all kinds of pipes, etc.)

Kalyusya, these are produced by all and sundry, I bought an inexpensive Roventa for work, but I would not write that Kenwood specializes in coffee machines.

Tuk, you'll excuse me, of course, but this is the first time I've heard that Kenwood specializes in coffee makers / machines. Before buying a coffee machine, I read so much about coffee machine manufacturers about the coffee machines themselves on the ixbt and Prokof forums, and not where Kenwood was mentioned.

You will excuse me, I did not express myself quite correctly. The fact is, the Kenwood company produces household appliances, part of the De'Longhi Group. Respectively "Kenwood Representative" = DeLonghi Representative. And Kenwood really doesn't have coffee machines.
One more point to clarify the situation. The Kenwood Electronics company specializing in the production of electronics for both the home and the car has nothing to do with the Kenwood company, which produces household appliances. These are the features of the market.


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Girls, and boys too, I confess.
After reading all sorts of things, I decided to clean my machine from the inside of coffee oils. I diluted the PMM agent in warm water, poured it into the water tank and turned on the machine for descaling. After the end of the program, I rinsed several times with clean water, pressing the button "hot water delivery". For a long time, the water had a color like strong tea, with a brown hard sediment. And even when the water was clear, the sediment at the bottom of the cup was still present. I wrote about this experience on the xbt forum, no one condemned, but did not praise either.

But what about the scale, because it is almost the same:

To be honest, I absolutely don't see any connection between scale and coffee oils. Imagine how a coffee machine works: water from a water tank is taken into the system, where contact occurs clean water with a heating element, then, heated to 90 ° ~ 95 °, the water "goes" further to the coffee preparation mechanism, where the built-in coffee grinder has already ground the coffee. Then, heated water under pressure is passed through, say, a "container" with coffee, at the exit from the "container" we already get the drink itself. So, if the drink from the "container" is served directly into the cup, then all the oils remain in this mechanism, which is suggested to be periodically removed and washed. But if the drink from the container enters the cup through tubes, access to which for rinsing is impossible, then that's when the tablets are used for cleaning from oils. And, it can be seen that scale and oils are not connected in any way with each other.

[Tuk]

I got it! Thank you Tuk!

[Tuk]

I got it! Thank you Tuk!

Always happy to help!

From everything I read, I concluded - do not go where they are not asked, but go when they are invited

[Cleaning the infuser]

From everything I read, I concluded - do not go where they are not asked, but go when they are invited

In principle, it is true, but not entirely correct .... It is more correct, in your particular case, to follow the operating instructions, namely:

"Cleaning the infuser
The infuser (A11) must be cleaned at least once a month ....
Attention!
RINSE WITH WATER ONLY
DO NOT USE DETERGENTS OR CLEAN IN A DISHWASHER.
Clean the infuser without using detergents that could damage it .... "

Since your machine does not have an "invitation" function for cleaning the infuser (it is also cleaning from coffee oils)

[Tuk]

Thank you Tuk I'll wash the infuser, and I'll wait for the decalcification when the machine itself says

[Tuk]

Thank you Tuk I will wash the infuser, and I will wait for the decalcification when the machine itself says

It's my pleasure! Enjoy your coffee!

According to him, Saeco and DeLonghi are installing mechanisms for making coffee of a new type, in which the prepared drink is fed directly into the cup, bypassing all kinds of pipes, etc. Accordingly, such a mechanism can be simply removed from the coffee machine and rinsed under running water. Cleaning from coffee oils with the help of tablets is necessary for those coffee machines in which coffee is supplied to the cup through tubes, since it is in them that oils accumulate. Something like that.

Ah, well, I wash this unit once a week or two. So everything is fine with us

From everything I read, I concluded - do not go where they are not asked, but go when they are invited

Irish, I think it's time for you to carry out the decalcification, a year is a long time. Maybe the machine has a glitch and "forgot" about this function? And it's so easy to descale, I don't even look into the instructions.

[Rita]

My husband now took out the infuser, I thought he would be completely killed in a year, but he is clean. My husband says "why wash?" crumbs and dust
Rita , I read the instructions - there is something so tricky written about decalcification, tell me your method, everything in order - where, what and how

Irina, I just rinse the brewing unit twice a week under the tap.
The decalcification in your machine is probably different from mine. Now I'll look for your instructions on the internet, I'll read it.
Will you wait?

I'm waiting, but for now I'll read my instructions

[R]

Found it, Irish. I'll just copy from the instructions, and you ask what is unclear, okay? The first time it always seems difficult, and then you will do everything without looking.
1. Switch on the device.
2. Enter the menu by pressing the button R.
3. Turn the selection knob until the display shows “Decalcification».
4. Select by pressing the button faucet ... The display will show “Confirm Decalcification?»: Press the button again faucet to activate this function.
5. The display will first show “Do you want to confirm the descaler loading?"And then the command"EMPTY THE DRIP TRAY»- empty the drip tray.
7. Add descaling agent to the water tank then add water to the mark MAX return the tank to its original place.
8. Place a container with a minimum capacity of 1.5 liters under the hot water spout.
9. Press the button to confirm the injection. faucet The message “THE APPLIANCE IS DESCALING... ”The descaling program is activated and the descaling solution flows out of the hot water spout.
The descaling program automatically performs a series of rinses at set intervals to remove limescale deposits from the inside of the machine. After about 30 minutes, the display will show
message "FILL TANK!».
7. The machine is now ready for rinsing with clean water. Remove the water tank, empty it, rinse it with running water and fill it with clean water. Replace the container: the display shows "Rinsing .... Confirm?"
8. Empty the container holding the rinsing solution and place it back under the cappuccino maker.
9. Click the button faucet to perform the rinsing procedure. Hot water comes out of the spout and the display shows “RINSING»
10. When the water tank is completely empty, the message “Rinsing complete ... Confirm?»
11. Press the button faucet
12. Refill the tank with clean water. That's it, the device is ready to use!

Ritul, thank you for your efforts I'll try tomorrow with a fresh mind, but I just think - if she doesn't ask to wash (I don't think she slows down, because she gives out other commands clearly, if something is wrong), then she can try without solution wash? then what kind of water to pour into the tank, hot or cold?

The Internet went down, just entered.
Irina, only cold water is poured. And why wash without a solution, what's the point?

there is something so tricky written about decalcification, tell me your method, everything in order - where, what and how

Irina, maybe I can help you with something in this matter? If you think I can, then explain more specifically what is not very clear to you from the instructions? Water must be used ordinary, exactly the same as for making coffee. In principle, having done this operation, at least once, next time, you will cope without any problems. What is called: the eyes are afraid - but the hands are doing!