What to choose in the initial price range?

Hello. Due to the circumstances of my life, I have to give up bread made from premium flour. I think it makes sense to buy an unpretentious bread maker and bake bread for yourself. Bread is supposed to be made from flour of the first or second grade. If it works out, then it will be possible to master baking bread from rye flour, although, I know, with it, not everything is so simple.
As a result, I am looking for a stove from not very expensive models. The possibilities of baking muffins, muffins and other sweets are completely unnecessary for me. I look at LG, but it's kind of scary. What can you advise. What other options are there besides the expensive Panasonic?

Andrei.

any manufacturer has expensive and inexpensive models. I think you should opt for a more proven manufacturer, while on one of the simpler models. go to any electronics supermarket and beat the sellers.

I think that relying on the opinion of the seller is not the best way. I have often heard this from them that I’m not going to laugh or cry. Sellers are rarely competent, their task is to sell, and when they see that the customer is savvy, they immediately become sad and lose interest in it. It is much more correct to figure out the differences between the models yourself and enlist the advice of experienced users.

It's easier to ask. Is it worth taking a stove worth 2000-3000r? For example Moulinex OW 3000 or OW 2000 models?

Is it worth looking at inexpensive models from LG, that is, besides 205?

On the site, I could not find a bread machine at all. And not a word on their international website either. As if they don't produce them. And this is suspicious.

yes, sellers are really different, I admit it ...
I can say that I bought my stove for $ 90. I don't regret it. A friend turned out to have a stove of the same manufacturer, for more than a year now - I have not heard any complaints either ...

[outside]

I think that relying on the opinion of the seller is not the best way.

And I, just when buying HP, relied on the opinion of the girl-seller. I can't say that she seemed to me to be very knowledgeable in matters of CP, but she did not advise me anything bad either. At that moment they had two HP models for sale from the same manufacturer. She was a somewhat more expensive model. She and I just carefully looked at the instructions for both models, and she told me that their parameters are the same and the programs, in principle, are the same. The only difference was that the more expensive model outside was made of stainless steel, and the cheaper (and, by the way, a newer model) was made of white heat-resistant plastic. Then the seller told me that in this case, you shouldn't take a more expensive model with the same parameters, and I agreed with her. So far, I had no reason to regret it, my HP hostess is doing her job well.

I think that relying on the opinion of the seller is not the best way. I have often heard this from them that I’m not going to laugh or cry. Sellers are rarely competent, their task is to sell, and when they see that the customer is savvy, they immediately become sad and lose interest in it. It is much more correct to figure out the differences between the models yourself and enlist the advice of experienced users.

It's easier to ask. Is it worth taking a stove worth 2000-3000r? For example Moulinex OW 3000 or OW 2000 models?

Is it worth looking at inexpensive models from LG, that is, besides 205?

On the site, I could not find a bread machine at all. And not a word on their international website either. As if they don't produce them. And this is suspicious.

I am a rabatola seller at House-Bread, which is at VDNKh. Who was there, knows that the sellers there bake bread in all the ovens they sell. At least I baked in everyone. So I know what to compare with.
Here is Moulinex and the like, I do not recommend buying in any case. We purchased a number of these ovens, well, it's a very troublesome task to bake bread in them. We were even paid a premium for the sale of these stoves. But I know that tomorrow a buyer will come to me and ask why I am so and so, bread does not work. In short, I don’t know whether they were sold or are still standing ...
If there is no way to buy Panasonic - take the cheapest LG. They do not differ in quality at all, and these additional functions (muffins, jams) only spoil the bucket.

[olivka,]

olivka, what about the delongues? (the opinion of a person who is able to compare is very interesting)

[olivka,]

olivka, what about the delongues? (the opinion of a person who has the ability to compare is very interesting)

Unfortunately, I can't say anything about DeLonghi. They look pretty. I do not know in what price category it is, but for me there is nothing better than the Panasonic SD-207 bread machine. Due to the fact that it does not have a viewing window and a dispenser for an automatic addition, the lid closes tightly and the bread bakes much better than its counterparts. Even on the fast mode, the bread is quite good. This is not only my opinion, but also of the majority of employees of the "House-Khleb" store.

Thanks for the answer! I also think that there is nothing better than Panasonic, and even more so I am the happy owner of the SD-253. (so my opinion is not objective)
Delongy allows programming, this moment attracts! 3 of my friends Delongy, though I don't feel inferiority with Panasonic either.

I have had a Slatronic stove for 4 months already, they gave it to me for my birthday and I am very happy with it. I have never had a puncture with her. Bread is always with a crispy crust and rye bread kneads and bakes well, not to mention any muffins. Although everyone scolds her, but I'm happy with another and do not need it. It is very gratifying that it has a viewing window and it bakes whatever you want. The only thing I have not done yet is jam, but still to come.

I have had Hitachi C103 for two years now - now they don't sell such, the old model, the newer 303. I have never had any problems, I close the window in the kitchen when the bread and baking mode is on - this is the only inconvenience. But what a huge plus - a large observation window !!! During kneading, I always control the gingerbread, because at different times of the year the moisture content of the flour is different and you need to either add water or flour. And another plus, from my point of view - it does not heat food, but immediately starts to interfere. This is important when baking using fermented milk products in a mixture with something else, and the baking time itself is saved. Standard mode 3 hours 50 minutes.

[Andrey_V31]

Andrey_V31
I have some advice for you.
I myself was thinking about a bread maker for about 7 years. None of my acquaintances had and still have not. so thought it was my bliss. And everyone tried to dissuade me.
Before, of course, there were simple models, but now there are simple and complex ones.
I regret that I didn’t buy it earlier, but on the other hand, I don’t regret it because I wouldn’t buy my own “fancy” oven right now (well, if one already exists, where is the second one?)

My advice is simple: don't focus on price. The difference between expensive and cheap equipment is max. in 3 thousand even 2 thousand (if you buy through and-no store or search properly) the same Panasonic 253 can be bought for 6 tons and you can also for 4 tons.

Focus on what the soul falls on. The thing, as I understand you, will work for you all the time, even aesthetics is important here. Walk around, take a look, read the instructions. Read the recipes on our forum, who bakes what and on what models. - it will help you to choose. You have a special interest in baked goods.

When I was choosing a stove, I also didn't know what to stop at. You should contact the sellers and ask, ask .... On Gorbushka (in Moscow), I went around many departments with bread makers and listened to the opinions of sellers about different stoves and opted for LG. Why exactly on it? Arranged design, functionality and the presence of a viewing window (the ability to observe the process).There were good reviews about Hitachi and Panasonic.

[you can and want]

Hello. Due to the circumstances of my life, I have to give up bread made from premium flour. I think it makes sense to buy an unpretentious bread maker and bake bread for yourself. Bread is supposed to be made from flour of the first or second grade. If it works out, then it will be possible to master baking bread from rye flour, although with it, I know, not everything is so simple.
As a result, I am looking for a stove from not very expensive models. The possibilities of baking muffins, muffins and other sweets are completely unnecessary for me. I look at LG, but it's kind of scary. What can you advise. What other options are there besides the expensive Panasonic?

Andrei.

No need to look simpler, life does not end today!
And just tomorrow it will turn out that you can and want do this and this and so on.
And there is no possibility !!! The stove does not allow !!! We will buy another one, it turns out - the miser pays twice!
When baking the same rye bread, for example, first it is preferable to knead it in the "dough" mode, and then bake it in the "fast" or "rye bread" mode. It is no longer a "simple stove" that is needed, but the bread will turn out to be delicious. And white bread is different, in different modes.
Many people say this until the oven itself began, and then there is not enough space and functions of the x / oven, everyone is trying to combine.
Today there are many stoves with a large stock of functions and capabilities, and it will serve for a long time.
Personally, I like the principle "let it be, it doesn't hurt", in the future this principle works 100% in life.
Think!
Good luck!

out of interest, I spent half an hour marketing on some stove models. came to the conclusion that it is still below 2000 rubles. (I don’t know how much it is in dollars now) it’s not worth buying. and this is where the following thing works: no matter what model (heard or not) you need to choose according to power. for example, the Clatronic BBA 2605 costs 2070 rubles, and the LG HB 151 JE costs 2200 rubles. at the same time, this model of skis has a power of 660W, and a clathronic - 600W. all stoves have approximately the same prices and capabilities, but they don't pay much attention to power, although it is very important for kneading tough dough. expensive delongi may not be needed, you can do with skis. first select the models according to the price category "don't mind giving away", and then choose according to power and appearance. all the same, until you see for yourself, no one will convince you of buying a particular model - there will always be doubts.
success in your search!

this ski model has a power of 660W, and the clathronic has 600W. ..., but they don't pay much attention to power, although it is very important for kneading tough dough

600, 660, etc. is the power of the heating element (heating element). This power has nothing to do with kneading dough. The motor interferes with the dough, but not all manufacturers indicate its power. In addition, with a comparable power (and it is really comparable in different ovens), a steep dough will be kneaded more easily by the oven with a shorter mixer length.
Example: Delongy works wonders for kneading tough dough, and Panasonic bends on tough dough. Although their engine power is comparable. For Delongy, the engine power is indicated by the manufacturer and is equal to 85W, for Panasonic, the power measurement gives about the same figure.

Maybe this is not important, but high power implies high energy consumption.
My Moulinex, albeit with difficulty, copes with 600W rye dough.
The viewing window is present, it is possible to open the lid at any time and control the batch. By the way, now I am increasingly baking "by eye", without measuring cups ...

I think that whatever stove you buy yourself, at first you will get used to it, and then get used to it. Like new shoes, for example.

I got bread (the way I wanted) in my HP only from the 8th time. But I know, there are girls on the forum who had bread in Moulinex and they were wonderful the first time.

Now I have no problems with her. Both BREAD and JAM are excellent, although I was going to bake only rye bread, now I use ALL functions and programs.

Dear members of the forum, share what to buy for grandmothers in the village, where voltage drops are frequent.

Something seems to me that for this amount only LG can be found. And here is how they, with their electronic brains, will react to the drops ... He can put a cheap voltage regulator, because they have a consumption within 0.5 kW. There for that kind of money you can find Panasonic.

Thanks for the answer, I bought the Elekta stove on a hammer for the grannies. For a month now it has been working every day through a stabilizer - a beast is a stove. The old ladies are very happy, I think a recipe book will appear by the fall. They experiment every day.

Great, then it may be possible to get hold of recipes. And then I'm a quitter and every other day I only bake Italian.

In Technosila I bought HP Daewoo 3207 in the online store for 2500r. It bakes normally, not like Panas 255, of course, but better than store-bought bread. bought for neighbors, happy.

I recently bought a bread maker at M-Video NOVEX NBM-7011 for 2700 scars, while satisfied - 12 programs, a book of recipes that must be treated with caution in terms of weight and volume of ingredients.

Recently I bought a bread maker at M-Video NOVEX NBM-7011 for 2700 scars, while satisfied - 12 programs, a book of recipes that must be treated with caution in terms of weight and volume of ingredients.

On another forum, a girl complained that her Novex broke shortly after the purchase. So apparently how lucky

Good day!
We need a bread maker in the price range of 2500-3000 rubles. Therefore, several questions arose:
1) Does it even make sense to buy a bread maker for that kind of money, or is it better to save up more?
2) If there is a sense, what to choose? I look closely at Novex, model NBM-7011:

Bread maker Novex NBM-7011 1 year warranty
PRC country
Baking weight
Maximum baking weight 900 g
The form
Non-stick coating Yes
Operating modes
Baking programs 12 prog.
Dough preparation Yes
Cupcake Making Yes
Fast bake mode Yes
Display
Digital display 1
Illuminated display symbols Yes
Functions
Baking size selection 2 options
Choice of crust color 3 options
Heating of the finished product Yes
Delay start up to 13 hours
Save programs without meals up to 15 minutes
Sound signal
Buzzer Yes
Cap
Sight glass Yes
Housing
Rubberized feet Yes
Power supply
Max. power consumption 600 W
Equipment
Recipe Book Yes
Measuring Cup Yes
Measuring spoon Yes
Power cord
Power cord length 1 m
Power Cord Compartment Yes
Color, dimensions and weight
Black / stainless steel
Overall dimensions (H * W * D) 33 * 34 * 25 cm
Weight 7.2 kg

Programs: Plain Bread, French Bread, Whole
flour, quick baked goods, sweet bread, cake, jam,
dough, sandwich

Thanks in advance for the advice.

You can buy Moulinex OW2000, it costs about 3000, I bought this as a gift, a good stove. For example, in an Internet store, an electrical store. ru it is 3100 rubles. Maybe somewhere else it will be cheaper.
Or, as an option, push your efforts and buy a Panasonic 254, there are at a quite reasonable price of 4200. It's up to you to decide whether such a sum will break through the family budget or not
IMHO, it is better to take a more or less well-known company.

[simsim88]

simsim88, younger models from LG - 151 or 152 will perfectly fit into your price range. Good cars. The bread is delicious.
Or Kenwood 250. Wonderful bread maker. Many on the forum have these models - it turns out well.

Novex, Eta, Binaton, Klatronic ... and others - there are many complaints about the cars of these manufacturers. Indistinct instructions, mistakes in recipes.

Initially, there were several manufacturers on our market - Hitachi, Panasonic, LG. Then they were successfully joined by Kenwood, DeLonge, Moulinex. Here is one of them I would choose

Mams do not offend Clathronic for the third year already I have been using it, and my bread machine is plowing to the fullest.

All stoves are good !! Only one needs a "tambourine" in addition or "straight handles"
And to others only "flour, yeast and water", for the rest the manufacturer was worried

All stoves are good !! Only one needs a "tambourine" in addition or "straight handles"
And to others only "flour, yeast and water", for the rest the manufacturer was worried

Well, my tambourine is not needed, but only "flour, yeast and water".

[sazalexter!]

Respected sazalexter! Isn't it easier to say: buy Panasonic, I'm very pleased with it.
My friends do not know anything about baking, but they bought Panas and the bread is excellent the first time, but not everyone is able to buy this oven, especially on the periphery !!

[puel]

Respectedpuel, what I wanted to say, I said, and there is no need for speculation, it was discussed on the forum repeatedly There are no bad HP !!!
On any you can bake bread

I gave my aunt Novex NBM-7011, I take the recipes here, on the website - for myself and for her, sometimes I count on a small loaf for her. For 1.5 months now she has been baking almost every day, sometimes two loaves a day - very happy! He bakes rye-wheat, and French, and sweet bread, and with cereals, and with cottage cheese, makes dough for loaves. There were no punctures (pah-pah-pah), the bread is very tasty. Maybe 1.5 months is not an indicator yet, but I really hope that everything will be fine in the future.

They talked about some cheap stoves here on the forum that very plastic stinks from heating. Somehow they gave me a cheap electric kettle, because the boiled water smelled so much of chemistry that it was impossible to drink, so I BELIEVE such statements. Take a closer look at Kenwood 250, it is within 3 thousand, the body is metal, there is no plastic. The rotation mechanism on the bucket (from the outside in the bottom) is also without plastic. The recipes, of course, require improvement, but you are on the forum, so you won't be left without recipes. The stove is reliable.

Look closely at Kenwood 250, he's within 3 thousand,

I join just hurry up, prices are growing by leaps and bounds

[Cake]

Cake, I totally agree. She was holding a teapot from Vitka, it seems ... the smell of plastic is stupefying ...

tanya1962, in no way wanted to offend Klatronic. And even more so you, as the owner of this stove. But good copies among the cheap (not "inexpensive", namely "cheap") price category, rather luck.

Kenwood BM-250! Yes, she has no flaws! Delivery will cost a little more than 3 thousand rubles.

Or, as an option, push your efforts and buy a Panasonic 254, there are at a quite reasonable price of 4200. It's up to you to decide whether such a sum will break through the family budget or not
IMHO, it is better to take a more or less well-known company.

Novex, Eta, Binaton, Klatronic ... and others - there are many complaints about the cars of these manufacturers. Indistinct instructions, mistakes in recipes.
Initially, there were several manufacturers on our market - Hitachi, Panasonic, LG. Then they were successfully joined by Kenwood, DeLonge, Moulinex. Here is one of them I would choose

I can only advise, after a long study of this forum, that all models of bread makers are similar in their parameters to each other in most cases: in internal details, in their baking parameters, in external characteristics; because they are all going to the PRC.
We also wanted the stove to be metal, to bake and knead everything, to be programmable and cost reasonable.
But the stores offer only one and the same, widely known brands, stoves from Panasonic, Moulinex, Kenwood of old models and plus recently released new items from Bork, Tefal. As if there are no more other firms on the market. After a long search, I found several models for myself: Daewoo DI-9154; Vitesse VS-422; Binatone BM2068. All of them are much cheaper than the stoves imposed on us in every store, from manufacturers who are heard by everyone and are visible from all screens. Therefore, my wife and I have settled on the latest model Binatone BM 2068 and are very happy about it. We bake according to recipes from the forum, so far everything is working out.
Once again, do not think that I impose my oven on someone, I only advise on the basis that, during the search period, I felt them all with my own hands, touched them, revised them, and therefore I have at least some idea of ​​them and how they are made , although they are all gathered in one place according to the answers of the sellers themselves.

Ariete 121 on some online stores costs about 2000. I almost bought it myself, but did not wait for the goods in the warehouse. She also has a stainless steel case.

I took Mulinex 200030 for myself.No stupefying smell of plastic, everything that did not bake turned out, including the not the easiest Kugelhof. I'll try rye today - unsubscribe.
And I already know for sure that I will buy the next stove with a larger volume than a kilogram. For a loaf of bread for our family, a kilogram is a lot, but for sweets it is not enough. I am also for models of famous brands ... there is nothing to think about (Binaton, by the way, many friends praised it, So do not get hung up on Novex).
There is a very large selection in online stores now, look, look, good luck.

[simsim88]

simsim88
I have Binatone 1008 for three months now, very happy, mmm. It doesn't stink with plastic. Price 45 euros. I bake 3 times a week according to recipes from the instructions, but more according to the site's recipes. Everything works out. Yesterday I baked Borodinsky on the Basic program.
Friends took Mulinex 2000, the price is 90 euros, they are also very satisfied.
So that, simsim88 cheapness is not yet a sign of poor quality.
Defective bread makers can come across in any price range. You should pay attention to the presence of a service center at a company selling bread makers.

Since KhP is a fairly new product for Russia and there is now a good growing demand for it, everyone who is not lazy has begun to produce bread ovens. But there are 3 main manufacturers that have been producing these ovens for over 20 years - Hitachi, LG, Panasonic. All the rest were later joined. Some, like Kenwood, Moulinex, do well. Because they can afford to develop OWN models, many others - Vitkas, Binatons, and others - are "tracing copies" from the outdated models of other firms, which are not always successful. See how many similar ovens ...

I am not campaigning for expensive stoves, Panasonic, DeLongey, Kenwood (450 I model is now more expensive than Panas). But given a small budget, I would not buy very cheap ones. I wrote, the same LG - good budget stoves. They also have service almost everywhere. The quality of the goods is at a good level.

I can only advise, after a long study of this forum, that all models of bread makers are similar in their parameters to each other in most cases: in internal details, in their baking parameters, in external characteristics; because they are all going to the PRC.
...
during the search period, I felt them all with my own hands, touched them, revised them, and therefore I have at least some idea of ​​them and how they were made, although they all gather in one place according to the answers of the sellers themselves.

Yes, of course, they collect mainly stoves in China. BUT! It is not China that is engaged in the development. Touch-touch, this is of course good. Moreover, it is necessary! To understand which of the many is yours. But to understand how many years one or another will work - just looking at it will not work

I would not believe the sellers. Many do not see the difference between a bread maker and a multicooker at all.

I join I bought myself a Kenwood 250 for 2800 rubles. after my old Hitachi died. I'm not overjoyed now Although the details are more clumsy than those of my purebred Japanese woman, it bakes regularly.

Ariete 121 on some online stores costs about 2000. I almost bought it myself, but did not wait for the goods in the warehouse. She also has a stainless steel case.

It is simply impossible to buy a stainless steel case for such a sum. In household appliances, it is not particularly needed (where there is no technological contact with the product). This is critical in industrial equipment - there, the disinfection of the premises must be done with aggressive chemicals (according to TU and TI) - so they are ruined for stainless steel.
And the Ariete 121 has everything plastic on the outside. Glass is really glass!
By itself, the bread maker raises no objections, it fulfills its purpose.

And the Ariete 121 has everything plastic on the outside. Glass is really glass!
By itself, the bread maker raises no objections, it fulfills its purpose.

Thanks for the answer. I am just now thinking about what to recommend to my friends who, looking at me, also wanted a bread maker. She recommended Panas 255 (she has more money) to her mother-in-law, and Arietta to her neighbor.I like mine and my Moulinex, the only drawback is that you have to close the viewing window during baking so that the top crust is darker. I have not yet mastered the rye bread. I sin on local rye flour and crooked hands.

It is simply impossible to buy a stainless steel case for such a sum. In household appliances, it is not particularly needed (where there is no technological contact with the product). This is critical in industrial equipment - there, the disinfection of the premises must be done with aggressive chemicals (according to TU and TI) - so they are ruined for stainless steel.
And the Ariete 121 has everything plastic on the outside. Glass is really glass!
By itself, the bread maker raises no objections, it fulfills its purpose.

Maybe it is not made of stainless steel, but ordinary plastic painted like metal, as is done in meat grinders.
The certificate shines, and you knock on it, and there is plastic

Never buy Chinese non-name. Is that for the sake of experiment. All Chinese non-name products are dedicated to only one thing, for the minimum money - the maximum checkers. And the key concept is "minimum money". You can save on everything, on the length of the network cable, on the shielding of the motor, on the protection of the motor, on soldering, on the attachment of the bucket, on the thickness of the plastic, on technological, but inconvenient forms, on the construction of the blade, on rubber, on the ventilation holes. And it's a sacred thing, on instructions and on the service.

Yes, not the fact that it will break. this is a probabilistic process, and brand technology also breaks down. But if for Panas & Co. you have service centers with spare parts, then for severins & Co. there is nothing. "We don't have spare parts anyway, the breakdown was caused by improper operation, go to hell." As a result, having paid 45 euros for a non-name, six months later, swearing, we throw it away and buy something that works for 80-90. I can't think of a single thing from China that worked as expected. Including screwdrivers, mini vacuum cleaners, simple vacuum cleaners, slicers, bicycles, drills, micro drills and more. Everything, literally everything, works through the stump deck.

Yes, not the fact that it will break. this is a probabilistic process, and brand technology also breaks down. But if for Panas & Co. you have service centers with spare parts, then for severins & Co. there is nothing. "We don't have spare parts anyway, the breakdown was caused by improper operation, go to hell." As a result, having paid 45 euros for a non-name, six months later, swearing, we throw it away and buy something that works for 80-90. I can't think of a single thing from China that worked as expected. Including screwdrivers, mini vacuum cleaners, simple vacuum cleaners, slicers, bicycles, drills, micro drills and more. Everything, literally everything, works through the stump deck.

I agreed with you about Ikea. But don't touch my Severin! For several years I have been chasing him in the tail and in the mane - infinitely happy! I will not trade for anything, but I have something to compare with - all my friends are baked. And my stove is assembled in Germany, not in China - that's absolutely for sure. That's why I bought it, we absolutely trust German technology, be it a refrigerator or a car.

But don't touch my Severin! For several years I have been chasing him in the tail and in the mane - infinitely happy! I will not trade for anything, but I have something to compare with - all my friends are baked. And my stove is assembled in Germany, not in China - that's absolutely for sure. That's why I bought it, we absolutely trust German technology, be it a refrigerator or a car.

What does your stove have to do with it? Breakdowns are a probabilistic process.

I'm actually in Germany at the moment. And, frankly, I don't know where Severin has a factory in Germany. I don’t know and that's it. They have a small factory in China (since 1995), in 2005 it was extensively expanded, the rest is apparently OEM products. In total, the company employs 1,500 people and employs at least 1,200 in China.
And I can see the price, build quality, etc. For example, kettles and toasters.

I'm actually in Germany at the moment. And, frankly, I don't know where Severin has a factory in Germany.

I know. Here: Rohre 27, 59846 Sandern, Germany.

Eretik will not argue with you, but I will express my opinion.My Chinese Clathronic has been working for the third year without breakdowns, it cost 2000 rubles. and I do not regret that I do not have Panasonic. I bought expensive irons Brown, Tefal, Philips did not work for more than a year, but Scarlet Chinese has been flying for 2 years already, the same with teapots and the list goes on. I have long concluded that not all expensive and branded products are of good quality.