Mixer-kneader First FA-5259-2

[Rituslya]

Rituslya, Rit! I also often make pies with cabbage according to Chuchelka's recipe, only half a portion. First I dissolve the yeast and let it play. Then I pour in flour and liquid yeast. The mode in my Panasonic 2501 is thirteen: the main dough without baking. The dough will shake a little there and I pour a little butter there. Dissolve the creamy lightly in the microwave and add the vegetable. All. Then you wait for the bread maker to beep. You make pies, let them distance and bake. How can you kill the dough in the Bread Maker? Read Natasha Chuchelka's recipe and do it as clearly as hers. For me, only for salty pies, the dough is sweet. I put less sugar.

[Oroma]

Oroma, Olik, the dough is not interrupted in the bread maker, no. I wrote about dough mixers that suddenly appeared for me. There they stir and stir tirelessly.
I'll try, of course. Thank you!

the dough is not interrupted in the bread maker, no. I wrote about dough mixers that suddenly appeared for me. There they stir and stir tirelessly.

Sorry to get in.
It seems to me that in "this round" and in the bread maker, the principle of kneading is slightly different, therefore, in cotton and it is not interrupted too. Here, 5-8 (this is generally a lot) minutes are quite enough at first low, then high speed, so that the dough is kneaded (unlike a bread machine, where half an hour of kneading is ideal). Moreover, after half an hour or an hour of proving, the dough is recommended to be stirred again, and then another distance for at least half an hour, better - more.
And planetary kneaders are the third option, but closer to the bread maker (there is also a planetary kneading principle, only the blade is short), I don't know anything about them.

Here is an example of a cake mixed in this mixer and lying down for a day (sorry, this is the remainder of the guests, so not served decently)



This is already the sixth baked pie from here, I also kneaded the dough for fried, more sticky, you have to sculpt it with your hands, oiled (also in this topic there is somewhere on the 20th page).

The recipe for two closed pies with a diameter of 24cm (approximately) is as follows - 400ml of milk, 2 eggs, 5 tablespoons of sunflower oil, a teaspoon of salt, 5 dessert spoons of sugar, 720g (approximately) flour, a bag of dry yeast 7g.
I swell all this at once, well, almost everything except flour - I add it through the top hole starting from 600 g, carefully looking at how the dough looks like. If the recipe requires more butter, especially butter, it is better later (after half an hour of proofing).
The dough is slightly spread on the bowl, but it is all easy to scrape off with a spatula. It shouldn't be completely dry and hard.

[Natalia]

And planetary kneaders are the third option, but closer to the bread maker (there is also a planetary kneading principle, only the blade is short)

, I just thought about it, it's strange, but in my HP the shoulder blade is put on a pin that rotates accordingly and the blade is worn on it too. And where is the planetary kneading (in the planetary hook (rim) rotates in a circle (the perimeter of the bowl) and simultaneously around its axis



Natalia, The pie is wonderful, (it's sooo delicious, and the dough

I swell all this at once well, almost everything except flour,

but I outlined this, in this machine it is necessary, for the first time, out of habit, I threw everything at once, then I thought about a method like yours

I don’t add flour to my planetary system due to the lack of a lid, because everything around me is in flour at once ... not only me, it’s tested

and in my HP, the blade is put on a pin that turns accordingly and the blade is put on it too., and where is the planetary kneading

It rotates not in one plane, but with an inclination, so the bun collects flour from all the walls of a rectangular bucket (I looked at the insides after the gasket on my bread machine dried up). Not quite planetary, but not just in a circle (for this, in our dough mixer, there are different knees, so that you can somehow crush the dough).

straight, very tasty

It is very tasty with brown champignons (sold under the name "royal", we sold it here in Lenta, it's a pity that I took just a drop, some guy next to him grabbed a huge bag, I understand him now), that's just super

[Ritul,]

in, ate fell, and what the dough can be interrupted? I only know that the more and longer you knead, the better

mono ... pie dough is not dumplings, everything is good measure. You need to roll on the noodles by hand for longer and harder, until the dimples are weighed down. On the pies until the dough begins to lag behind the hands and walls of the container, it is uniformly elastic, but you should not knead it tight, the pies will be more difficult to mold, disperse when baking and stale faster.
Ritul, do you lay a lot of eggs? The eggs are given just then "hardness". On what yeast, how much do you put? For example, my grandmother and mother beat the dough after kneading, smack it 3-4 times on the table and then only for proofing. I was bothered by such an attitude to the dough, but later the pros explained to me that it was, on the contrary, correct for both dough and minced meat
In general, we love different dough and splendor ... And from the ZTs, MZ flour, rye dough, knead the bottom very much - the gluten is different: secret: And looking at what mode in HP, what kind of flour you interfere with, it's easy to hammer.

If the recipe requires more butter, especially butter, it is better later (after half an hour of proofing).

Natalya, as I understand it, you knead the dough in 2 passes? That is, they threw almost everything (not all of the butter), kneaded for 5-8 minutes, stood for half an hour, added the oils and kneaded again? I immediately throw everything in (I slightly melt the butter until it is soft) and knead, then it stands until it rises as I need, after which I start to form pies. The question is how to do it more correctly?

[Svetlana201]

Svetlana201, I add butter last, any, in 5-7 minutes

It is very tasty with brown mushrooms

yeah, I also took these (though not in the Lenta, but also for the promotion, very fragrant

smack 3-4 times on the table

here, and I also know about this, this only makes it better, (I knead it in the mixer, and at the end I turn on high speed, the dough hits the edges straight ..., I keep the mixer so it doesn't fly away with the dough

[Svetlana]

Svetlana,



Kubeba1, wow, didn’t see the whole page of comments. Super pie. I’m for that amount of flour with. yeast I take 8-10 g.

Nika, i.e. Do you knead the dough for 10-15 minutes? or more?

[Svetlana201]

Svetlana201, when, how, and how much flour I take, I look at the consistency, elasticity so that it does not break ... I usually pull it out and roll it on the table later ... the habit of touching with pens remained a professional. You know, I don’t roll for more than 15 minutes even for 50 pies ... I am almond dough with dough

It is clear, the first time I probably only kneaded for 10-12 minutes, and then 5-6 and that's it. But at most she took 500g of flour. It is necessary to look at a larger amount of flour how long it will take to knead.

[Sveta]

Did you add the oils and knead again?

Sveta, I can (and should) be "you"

If with creamy, then it's better this way. With sunflower, I do it right away. I am too lazy to heat and cool, to be honest, and there is no microwave.
Microorganisms (yeast and lactic acid bacteria) in the dough like to sit and multiply without oil, this is exactly the sense, if there is time and opportunity, let them just sit and eat with sugars. And since yeast is a mushroom, then they must be given the opportunity to wander (= breathe without oxygen, in a closed container), and breathe in relatively free air, so that the dough does not weather.

I'm on such a quantity of flour with. yeast I take 8-10 g.

I have a packet of Dr. Oetker - written 7g (before it was like 8 or 9?)
If this dough is allowed to stand for an hour and a half at room temperature, then less than eight grams will be enough. And if a day is in the refrigerator, then 2g is enough there

Understood, Natasha.
Girls, I will write down all your comments, I will take into account, thanks to everyone.

[Rituslya]

Rituslya, Ritochka! Try to make a dough with sour milk / kefir or half with it. And I also read that pies do not stale for a long time if you put good margarine in the dough. If you are not a principled opponent of him, of course. But judging by your descriptions, you may have problems either in yeast, or in the ratio of flour and liquid. Take fresh yeast once. Well, try it exactly according to Schochelka's recipe. This recipe is written directly on a bag of Nordic flour, I think. I'll try to insert a picture of today's pie dough. My nephew is fasting, so I did it for her on water and without eggs, a very good dough turned out. Breathes straight, soft and fluffy









I didn't take a picture of the finished pies and gave everything to my niece "with me"

dough with sour milk / kefir

Ol, the dough is clear that it is very tender, oh, it's a pity that there are no pies (that's how much I read about the dough ... and I try to do it according to the recipe, I even weigh it, but then I gradually leave the recipe, everything is by sight and the sensations of the dough itself. On sour milk, I don't like it, not that it's absolutely fresh, it's good, but I need to hang out for 3 days in the h-ke, and in a day I don't like its taste at all, which I just didn't try to do ... everything is not right, I usually do it in the evening and stuff it into a silicone bag, use it in the morning. Yesterday I kneaded pizza for my daughter for breakfast this morning (in the photo the remainder, sorry the photo session was not planned, I used chicken roll from Chuchelka, but it is not visible ... but the rest of the sausage is straight out, + champignons. on the 2nd photo I broke it so that the dough could be seen, because I cut it hot and all the cuts float with cheese ... and you won't see the dough. but my conscience did not allow, it left my brother, and 1 clove, so I just went after me to make a flat cake with garlic and cheese (this is often our place instead of bread) it says ... and along the way I changed my mind (often typical of me) mushrooms + olives + cheese (I bake everything in Tortilka, so they are not big)

Svetlana, wonderful dough, can be clearly seen on the break. You can have a slightly more detailed recipe. Grandchildren love pizza, and I choose the best option. I bake in Kuzin, but I don't know if I should look towards the princesses.

[Oroma]

Oroma, Olenka, thanks! I'll try. On the 13th program in Panasik, the time is about 2.20, right?
I tried all the dumplings.
What puffs are on the photo.
SoNika, Virineyushka, no, there are not many eggs, I try somehow 1-2, but I have eternal problems with butter. I try at the end of the batch, but my oil does not absorb at all. I start to get angry, add flour and again, great.
Maybe the butter is not melted in my case, but softened?
Kubeba1, Natasha, what a gorgeous cake, this soft.
But you write that you add everything at once, and yeast too? No need to cook dough?

[Rituslya]

Rituslya, Yes, Rituyla! On this program. I can write a recipe right here if they don't scold 500 grams of flour, 250 ml of milk, 25 grams of pressed fresh yeast, 1 egg, 1 tsp of salt, 1/4 cup of sugar, 75 grams of butter and 25 ml of vegetable oil. I put fresh yeast in warm water (25 g, sugar, salt, a bit of flour, beat it with a hand whisk and set it to rest for 15 minutes. Sifted flour into the HP bowl, melted butter in a separate bowl and added vegetable oil. Yeast started playing, then in the bowl of the bread machine with flour added milk with yeast and turned on the program. I wrote, I have Panas, I choose the Main dough, without baking. For about twenty minutes the temperature is leveled, then kneading begins. When the dough has already gathered in a lump, I add butter a little. I am making the filling, yesterday I did it with potatoes on the occasion of the fast. I myself love it with cabbage and eggs. When the dough is ready and the HP squeaked, I dump the dough on the mat. I don’t crush anything else, I just divide it into pieces.Divide into 16-20 slices, depending on what size of pies you like. Roll and sculpt. The main thing is to let the already formed pies come up later. Write in a personal, if that. Good luck! You will succeed!

[Oroma]

Oroma, Olya, thanks for the clarification and the recipe. Here I am also not friends with yeast dough. Now I think it should work

[Svetlana201]

Svetlana201, specially looked into the instructions for HP, batch from 400 g - 1200 (?), batch time from 15-20-25-30 minutes, on rye from 10 minutes.
Svetlan, but there is a mixture of different speeds, rhythms, cycles, with stops, for rye, CH, etc., the rhythm is more gentle. That's why I'm in Fez, I also turn off, then switch 2-3 speed.

Galina, make friends, it's not difficult, you can start the dough first, as it plays out, settles in the center, then you can mix the dough with him on "te", but sometimes I mow with Easter cakes, for sweetness
Here are gorgeous recipes for sponge dough and without

🔗 and 🔗 and https://www.crevetka.com/articles/view/359

look at her recipes, ideas, it's worth it.

Wow, how many interesting things I learned from reading you girls!
I never thought about when to add butter, how many eggs
There is a recipe, I put everything in HP, turned on the dough mode and forgot for 2 hours ...
And here such subtleties, you have to try it anyway ...

[🌼Ksyusha🌻]

🌼Ksyusha🌻, you know, I still follow the kolobok in KhP, you can eat different flour, + I get rid of its types, and they take liquid in different ways. Kneaded pizza



treat yourself to Nikitsky pizza on a thin dough with chicken, bacon, Georgian sauce and cheeses (danablu, mozzarella and some delicious Belarusian), I began to like the cheese not to rub but with slices, it looks more appetizing and sticky when melted ... my part without meat and mayonnaise, with some cheeses embedded.

Nika, thanks. I just never follow the kolobok. It seems that everything always works out great in HP. In the dough mixer I did not even think that I should try to make the kneading as in HP. It also says in the instructions how much to knead the dough in time and that's it. Then it just breaks up and goes to work. The result was excellent for us, but I'm not special at all. by test.



The pizza is so beautiful, super.

There is a recipe, I put everything in HP, turned on the dough mode and forgot for 2 hours ...

Trishka, I do the same. HP spoiled, no need to think, everything is working out.

pizza

Thank you, just in time for dinner!

And today they never brought me a round one. I don't know whether to be sad, or to calm down and be content with what we have.
Of course I wanted to play, yes.

[Rita]

Rita, do not worry, the weather is what you have more than 700 accidents ... maybe 1-2 days and will arrive
Thank you girls, the pizza is delicious, the dough is rolling with a rolling pin today and in my opinion then pizza is better than when you knead it with your hands and today I did it not with olive oil, but with sunflower oil, and the dough turned out to be softer, it rolled easier

and did not bring it.

Rituel, what did you order?
Well, don't be upset, maybe tomorrow they will bring it, just in time for the weekend.

Rituslya, he's so pretty, round. Today I kneaded the dough on dumplings in 8 minutes (although after 2 it was ready) and it became so sad that everything ended so quickly. Almost every day I play with it and I still can't get enough of it

[Rituslya]

Rituslya, Rit! Do you think China First will be better than Kenwood? I just can't understand why you need another kneader. For a collection?

[Oroma]

Oroma, Olya, why is it better or worse, after all, they are different, although both are called kneaders?

Girls, well, Rituyl wants a new toy, well why not, let him order and play. As Machiavelli wrote, it is better to regret what was done than what was not done. I also adhere to this principle.

[Zamorochka]

As Machiavelli wrote, it is better to regret what was done than what was not done. I also adhere to this principle.

Zamorochka, Check mark, and I
Girls, all such great fellows, were directly inspired today to knead something

For a collection?

no, Olenka, not for collection.I just don't like the Kenwood result on the butter dough at all. My little Boshik mixer with two hooks coped with the dough many times better than this giant.

Good day! Ritul accept wishes of light, kindness, harmony and friendliness from the world

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Girls, I agree with you. And I think - Rita has the right to choose what to buy and why Buy, dear to health

[Virineyushki]

I join the most beautiful congratulations from Virineyushki
Ritual, I hope that today you will receive another gift, in the form of a dough mixer
Play, dear, rejoice, make your desires come true!
Well, how much of that life .... that we deprive ourselves of small joys!

[Galina]

Galina, exactly!

Rituslya, Happy Birthday. May all desires come true.

Ritochka, happy birthday! May every day bring only joy!

[Rituslya]

Rituslya, Ritochka, sunshine, Happy Jam Day to you !!!
Let dreams come true !!!

Well, what is not yet (for some) 18.00 - help yourself to pastries - whoever wants what, in the photo cocoa with cinnamon look darker, in real life it is more appetizing. I make a simple, medium-sweet dough and try to please everyone: myself buns for sandwiches, my spouse and son with jam + today buns with cinnamon, sugar and cocoa

Oh Nika, thanks. how beautiful and delicious. Right now I'm going to have supper, buns for cutlets, and with cinnamon for tea I'll take one at a time, until they come running

[Svetlana201]

Svetlana201, for health

[Virine]

Virine, I also want to indulge in your buns Well, very seductive

[Galina]

Galina, oh, sorry you are far away, otherwise you would have sat at Tchaikovsky with buns ...

Nikush, buns and buns, to my mind, beauty and deliciousness!

My girls, thank you. Thank you, my dears!

I'll tell you a secret. My daughter ordered the delivery of this round on Ozone for tomorrow. Should be in your ranks right after 9 am, because delivery is from 6 to 9

Uryayaya, we are waiting with you!

Rituslya, daughter, a clever little girl, we have new rounds: yahoo: hurray hurray