Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)

[Nika]

Nika, good bread turned out

Tell me, and yours TK and CWhat does it mean? Decipher, otherwise I'm lost in conjecture

TK and CZ what does it mean?

NaTalia, thank you. ZZ - whole grain flour, TZ - Tang Zhong, the first time when it was baked, I drained the broth, I had to dilute it with cream, and today I decided to add whey. I'm not being capricious, but I'm looking for an option not purely wheat bread, I took a risk today, I took almost half the flour, but everything worked out! Perhaps I am not like you, a sophisticated bread-eater and connoisseur, but I think it is tasty or not I understand. And I was exactly convinced that liquids should be taken with this ratio of flour for 20 - 30 ml. less. And leave the bun a little sticky.

I feel like I’ll break my head until I choose. Do we have a topic here about comparing Panasik models? Oh ... I want

[F]

Oh thank you Nikusha

Zh

it F in Russian, that is Tang Zhong - TF

[solmazalla]

solmazalla, Alla, you write which models you want to compare, what kind of bread you are going to bake. Scroll the topic a few pages back and also look at the Topic that was and this one (3). For Luda Mandraik Ludmila very good advice was given on the choice of HP.

Tang Zhong - TJ

NaTali, in different languages ​​in different ways, but from Chinese, is pronounced like "j", and I abbreviated them by the first letters, sorry, if someone offended. In order not to offend anyone I will write TJ

[solmazalla]

solmazalla, at the end of this topic, only 3 parts, there was a discussion of the possibilities and limitations of Panasonic by models. Read from this place:

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3) # 7904

Do we have a topic here about comparing Panasik models?

Alla has everything, only to choose among our pearls is now difficult. Thanks to the people in this thread, they explain everything patiently. You just decide what you expect, what you want from HP. From here and dance

[Nikusha]

NaTali, in different languages ​​in different ways, but from Chinese, is pronounced like "j", and I abbreviated them by the first letters, sorry, if someone offended. For example, in Spanish, if I remember correctly, for example ll - it will be closer to th. In order not to offend anyone, I will write TJ

Nikusha, it's not about grudges I'm not an expert on languages, and was guided only by the fact that Tang Zhong is written in English, and not in Chinese / Japanese characters. I decided what it means and reads like in English. But this is not the main thing. The forum has long been using TZh, or Tang Zhong, or already the English version of Tang Zhong. You need to get used to using generally accepted terms, names, concepts ... so that it is clear to everyone who is participating in the conversation now, and who will later come to read what has been written.

You need to get used to using generally accepted terms, names, concepts ... so that everyone understands

Kanesh, you are right, but alas, you didn’t know that there is such a "zh" in English now (and this is not casual), and decided not to repeat other people's mistakes, but it turns out that this standard was introduced in 2002, so I need to re-learn languages. and take into account what system to write this LJJ

According to GOST 7.79-2000, which has been in effect in the Russian Federation since 2002, the letter "Ж" can be written in Latin in 2 ways:
1) according to System "A" - with a diacritical mark above the letter Z:
2) according to the system "B" (by a combination of Latin letters): ZH | zh
In the same way, the letter "Ж" is written in transliteration according to GOST R 52535.1-2006 (machine readable documents) - "ZH, zh".
In the same way, "F" is written in accordance with ISO-9: 1995 (2nd option), US State Department, BGN / PCGN, ALA-LC.
The German standard for practical transcription by Steinitz (or from Dudenverlag - Duden) offers this option: SH-sh. It is used, for example, when translating Russian surnames into German (unless another spelling in Latin is found).
In the French standard (Jean Girodet (1976), Dictionnaire de la langue francaise, Parisrdas) there is a variant - "j".
There was also "z" (without a diacritic mark) and even a set of symbols: "> | <".

And from English there is no translation of these words, only transcription, but from Chinese there is, sense, to distort someone else's? This is how we get misunderstandings ... God with this name, the main thing is that you understood me, and now I understand you.

alas, I didn’t know that there is such a "f" in English

And I would not know, but my sister has this F in her last name, and in English it is zh. They made me

[Natalia]

Natalia, so people like me, the old school, do not understand. Oh, how many new specialists are they getting confused ...,

for example, it was always not clear to me Harry and Harry from the Americans ... who is who that way .., or like the Spaniards gracias, with - is pronounced both as c and as with, and only according to the old rules of fs. We had different teachers in our school and one said "sEnks", the second "fenks", the third fought her "dese" and only that summer I heard, like a song, from the old Americans "fenkyu". Now I remembered such a funny incident with these translations ... I'll go to bed, amid loud laughter

Thank you all very much for the message to the topic! I went to read and think! It's great that they will always understand and help here, this is not the first time I am convinced of this

[Alla]

Alla, by typewriter

Look .. I took mine 253 because as you can see the number of main progs is solid, despite the fact that this is the oldest model.
Then, for some unknown reason, Panasonic removed the Italian regime and replaced it with dumplings, without which you can live perfectly.

But ... 253 has a worse design, very prehistoric. The 253 has the longest electronics obsolescence, which means if the stove is kept in a place that is too dry or too humid, there is a high chance of electronics failure.
Then this is one of the first models, the bucket in it is slightly worse than the updated buckets, starting from 257. But this is just a few percent. The biggest danger is electronics obsolescence.
Otherwise, I would strongly campaign for my typewriter.

Then there were models 254 - without rye bread, 255 - with rye bread and a dispenser of additives,
and similar completely, but with improved coated buckets:
256-without rye and dispenser, 257 - with rye and dispenser
These cars already feature attractive designs that are still beautiful today.
That is, 255 and 257 are the same complete set of programs, differing only in the bucket coverage. Starting from 257 the bucket became the same as it is now.
Then 2500 were born - without rye and dispenser, 2501 - with rye and dispenser, and 2502 - with rye, and two dispensers (for additives and for yeast), new 2 programs Fruits in syrup and Spelled appeared. Spelled - an interesting program for very weak flour. The design has changed outwardly again. From above improved the thickness of the cover, as I understand it, for better heat retention.
The following are modern. 2510 - without rye and dispenser, 2511 - with rye and dispenser, 2512 - with rye and 2 dispensers (yeast and for additives), two more Low-Yeast and Filled Bread programs were added. The design of the car has not changed.

Total for today 255 differs from modern machines by the coating of a bucket and 2 blades. And 4 programs are missing in it: Fruit in syrup and Spelled, Low-yeast and Filled Bread
of this composition, only Low-yeast is especially interesting.
Top cover design and structure.
But one must understand that all these flaws are microscopic. Quite microscopic, except for the lack of new progs.

Added Thursday, 30 Mar 2017 03:01

Nika, funny

And I was exactly convinced that liquids should be taken with this ratio of flour for 20 - 30 ml. less. And leave the bun a little sticky.

what do you mean?
and why it surprises you that flour 1c allows you to make additives. Its strength is just like in. from.

After kneading, sticky dough can only remain with very moist dough. And even then, it is so sticky that the dough as a whole holds. You lift it from one side, and it keeps rising. It doesn't disintegrate.
If the stickiness is such that the dough is not a single lump - this is hard to mix.
TO the end kneading in HP the dough simply has to come off the walls of the bucket united lumpy. And no puddles under the shoulder blade. Otherwise - underdomed. Nadomes is not fatal, but the bread will be rougher. Less silk.

And yet there may be a case when it is better to make an under-mix in HP.
If really the HP program does not fit the flour. If on the prog the gluten deteriorates by the end of the cycle, if you knead it.

What you wrote that flour for 20 - 30 ml. less. And leave the bun a little sticky. indicates that this composition is not for HP, but you, like a real Russian Kulibin, violating the idea of ​​the engineers, bypassed the ban on the use of such a composition by dancing with tambourines.
Of course you could do another experiment with this lineup. You could do as expected, kneading until it comes off the sides by the end of the batch, but cut back on the yeast so it strains the gluten less. And look at the result.
Perhaps it would be more delicate.

and
Wheaty flavor is obtained by good fermentation. Since in HP the cycles are limited in time, well, make a daily dough and add it as an improver. What are you getting lost for?

255. Is it worth taking?

Alla! HP is wonderful, compact. It is necessary to look at the degree of wear of the bucket, otherwise it is practically unkillable

[Sasha,]

Sasha,and the electorate won't dry up in such a time?

[Dark steppe eagle]

Dark steppe eagle,

[sazalexter]

sazalexterThank you, Lena gave me a very detailed and understandable comparison of all the models. And Vit swears about electrolytes. So I got stuck in thought. The stove is in another city, I won't look or feel it live, and the person who can pick up nothing about them
Apparently we have to wait for something available to come out with us, since now there is a clear understanding of what model can ...

[Lena]

Lena, from the walls, liquids have come off, not for the first time I am convinced of less need, in this case.
Bread song, I liked the taste with flour 1c. And Bakeries (former bakery raboniki, now security) also had a job at work. Rye and TZh, more than others. Perhaps I will learn how to make some recipes well

[Nika]

Nika, you will learn and soon you will upload your recipes

[Svetlana]

SvetlanaThank you, I bought different flours for the trust, now I conducted an experiment on cheesecakes, with sesame flour, delicious. I don’t know what can be done with oatmeal oatmeal ...

And I decided ....... to add wheat bran to the flour (they praised it here). And ... what to do with them? There are some kind of solid cubes to grind them or what? I really want to insert this emoticon.I can't admit at home that I don't sniff anything in bran

[Wit]

Wit, will have to grind, since I bought these ...
Vit, they are loose! Like semolina almost, well, bran ... And you, you see, bought pressed ones ~ for food!)))

Yeah I'll grind in a pepper shaker. Or give the birds and buy normal ones?

[Vitaly]

Vitaly, Study, and then I will become a student ... I also want to try what it is and what it is eaten with

[Vitaly]

Vitaly, grind, depending on what, you can fry, but not more than 100 g per loaf, otherwise the bread will be dry and crumble. I can't eat bread, where there are a lot of them, the body immediately gives out strong, painful sensations, so after 45 and if there are problems with digestion, you have to be careful.

Got it! Let the birds burst better. And here they wrote that a teaspoon per loaf and everything will be a bunch. Or am I confusing something? I must say that even without the bran, getting rid of bread is the best. And they do not seek from goodness. To the birds !!!

[Vitaly]

Vitaly, bran is very useful, adsorb, just the digestive organs (there is a lot of fiber), they are prescribed to lower cholesterol levels, and there are a lot of vitamins, only depending on which ones you bought, from whom? You chew a LITTLE and check your results. I take bran buns periodically. And by the way, bread is harmful to birds, sun seeds. My mom buys packages and feeds the titmouse.
We must look here for sure there are recipes, but believe me, after the pizza dough ...

[Wit]

Wit, my bran looks like flour, rather. Add little by little, start with 1 tbsp. l. into your favorite bread.

[Wit]

Wit, look, I took a picture of you bran, really oatmeal ...
But not the point, they are all alike ... the difference will be in color, taste and smell.
I add 1 s to the premium flour. l. On a loaf, everything is ok!)

Added on Thursday, 30 March 2017 4:42 pm

The bran is essentially ... husk, i.e.The shell of lt grains, ground ...

Found from Admin:

The amount of bran in bread dough should be limited to 60-100 grams per 500 grams of flour.
Before putting the bran into the bread dough, they can be fried briefly in a hot pan until the color changes (darkening).
To improve the taste of wheat bran before use, it is recommended to fry in the oven, grind in a coffee grinder (or grind in a mortar) and sift. Bran products are not rolled, they are cut with wet hands.

Added Thursday, 30 March 2017 4:57 PM

I'm looking for information about obsyan. oatmeal, I was glad that I read:

The benefits of oatmeal
One can talk for a long time about the benefits of oatmeal for human health. We will focus on its main useful properties:
First, oatmeal contains bioflavonoids. These valuable substances are essential for the prevention of cancer. They have a beneficial effect on the state of the endocrine and immune systems of a person, and also cleanse the body of toxins.
In addition, the product contains a large amount of lignin. This substance effectively lowers the level of bad cholesterol.
Alanine, which is part of the composition, helps to strengthen the nervous system, normalizes blood sugar levels, and activates brain activity.
Well, cysteine, which also contains oatmeal, contributes to weight loss, as it actively "burns" fats. It also protects against radioactive radiation and removes heavy metals from the body. Potassium and magnesium protect the heart and normalize its work.
In addition, oatmeal is high in calcium, phosphorus, iron and sodium. There are valuable amino acids, lecithin, as well as vitamins and antioxidants. These elements interact harmoniously with each other, having a positive effect on the entire body as a whole.

there is even a recipe for pate, for our bread

Use bran separately from medication.

Straight up everything!

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[Vitaly]

Vitaly, well, good, my subordinate chews them like nuts, I am amazed, slender. Try it, nibble it - you will immediately fry the beneficial ones with vitamins, you will dare and all the things

Lan, I'll try

try

good luck

What is this for hints ??? !!! To the birds !!!!!!

What is this for hints ??? !!! To the birds !!!!!!

You will speed up the metabolic process Mlyn, why have you become so suspicious? Where is the sense of humor, critical thinking? Thank you, I amused, otherwise I’m on painkillers for the second day, I’m distracted only by typing here and reading

What a sense of humor with a crunchy thinking ?! For the bran dilettante? I may have seen them for the first time in my life in a store. And as a child I saw my grandmother mixing them with piglets

[Wit]

Wit, I didn't have piglets ..., but I heard ... and now we all eat, like those ...., food, then normal, less and less, so we turn to pasture.
Vit, good chew ...
Vlad Congratulations again.
Girls successful choice of HP, and
everyone else just good evening!

Added Thursday, 30 Mar 2017 6:45 pm

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Good day! Help out! I ordered a Panasonic SD ZB-2512 KXE bread machine on the German website, and only drew attention to the last three letters. Who has such an oven? Tell us what is the difference from what they sell in Russia and in general there is an instruction in what language? And then I already have a panic! Thank you

[Irinkanur]

Irinkanur, it's here
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[FROM]

SD ZB-2512 KXE

I think you bought the HP for Europe.
I have SD ZB-2512 KXFROM

What awaits you in this version: there are more programs than performed for the CIS, there is no program "Pelmeni", instructions in English ...
But what time are we living in!?!? Everything can be downloaded on the Internet in any language. So there will be no problems with the instruction. And there are FULL recipes on the forum !!!

Unleavened dough can be kneaded in the "02 Fast" program or on the "Pizza" with the lid open, because there is kneading with heating, which is not needed for unleavened dough.

[Irinkanur]

Irinkanur, sorry for the immodest question and how much did it cost? And then I start to think, with our prices, and not strain my son to buy over the hill ...

[Irinkanur]

I think you bought the HP for Europe.

I'm wondering if the instructions for the Russian version will not work ?!

Irinkanur, sorry for the immodest question and how much did it cost? And then I start to think, with our prices, and not strain my son to buy over the hill ...

It cost less than in Russia, 9142 amount without delivery.

here I found from 13 to 15 sput ... I'll try to strain my son

[Irinkanur]

Irinkanur, it's here

I also found this instruction today. I think how much the difference between "our" instructions and "them" will be. Apparently I will have to decipher myself ...

Added on Thursday, 30 Mar 2017 20:40

here I found from 13 to 15 sput ... I'll try to strain my son

can I write you the name of the site?

I'm wondering if the instructions for the Russian version will not work ?!

Will do! Basically, the stove is the same as for the CIS. Recipes from Russian instructions can also be used
Additional programs, instructions and recipes for them can be translated.
I have a translated list of programs and modes, like for your stove, I need to look and clarify.
Send me your e-mail

I have a translated list of programs and modes, like for your stove, I need to look and clarify.
Send me your e-mail

I sent you a personal message. Thank you!

[Irinkanur]

Irinkanur, send me a PM, please, the address of that site

There are two 2511 models: Panasonic SD-2511WXE and Panasonic SD-2511KXE, one white, the second black, and here is one WXE, and the second KXE, here the first of the three letters are different.
Waistcan you please explain the difference? otherwise I did not find it on the site ...