Kenwood Kitchen Machines

The advantage of heating proteins (Swiss and Italian meringue) is not only that it is already heat treatment and you can safely eat such proteins without drying in the oven. With modern eggs, mogul and so on without heat treatment are dangerous. But also in the fact that the heated proteins do not fall off, they are denser and more stable, and the addition of sugar occurs without the fear that the proteins will fall off.

From the kitchen. using machines without induction, it is easier to make Italian meringue according to the classic recipe - beat with a machine, adding hot (118 degrees) sugar syrup at the end. Because beat the Swiss meringue in a water bath with a hand mixer, then transfer to the kitchen bowl. machines and finish off - confused, and the whole process with a hand mixer - offensive.

From the kitchen. machines with induction, by and large, it makes no difference Italian or Swiss. Because if done by hand, then the difference between Swiss and Italian is distinguishable - Italian is more dense. But with an induction machine, the difference tends to zero, unless the super-confectioner determines.

I have such an opinion

[Miranda]

Miranda,
I have never been a super-confectioner, but I noticed the difference.) It was the mass that was different, denser and smoother, or something. The finished meringues were also different.
The Swiss one on the program heats up to 45 C, the bowl is warm, and in the Italian one the temperature of 118 C jumped out at the beginning (and how much was real, it is not known, is not shown), the bowl is noticeably hot, and the whisk, too, I could not immediately remove it with my bare hand.

[LudMila]

LudMila, I do not mean in the process, but as a result in the confectionery. And the opinion is based on 096 induction, and on other process technologies.

In the new induction, it is still a mystery to me why the programs of the Swiss and Italian meringue differ only in temperature? Why is water added to Swiss? Why only 45 degrees (does not correspond to the temperature of the water bath)? With such conditions, the Italian, of course, will be different.


Try to make a Swiss one not according to the program, but manually setting 70-75 degrees and without water. That is, as if in a water bath, as planned.

At the MK in Kenwood, the meringue is done in a completely different way (they did it before the new induction appeared, but I don’t know how now) - the heating of 70 degrees was not turned on immediately, but when the proteins were whipped a little.

[lenamild]

In the new induction, it is still a mystery to me why the programs of the Swiss and Italian meringue differ only in temperature? Why is water added to Swiss? Why only 45 degrees (does not correspond to the temperature of the water bath)?

This entire instruction is a complete mystery ...
I did the Swiss one without water (the protein was 150g, the sugar was 300, I also added 3 minutes before the end of 1 tbsp.a spoonful of corn starch and 1 teaspoon of vinegar, as they showed on the MK, the program did not work for them, in a new attempt, the manual mode applied).
And on this program there are really 2 stages, each for 10 minutes, and the temperature is exactly 45 C.
In Italian, there are 3 stages, which the instruction is silent about ... ((((On the first 2, neither time nor temperature was displayed (with this indicator in general sadness, I would really like to see the real T), periodically there were only messages about work or high temperature or cooling mode), on the 3rd - 10 minutes before the end, a countdown appeared. lenamild (I got 185 g of protein, 370 g of sugar and 32 g of water, without starch and vinegar).

I will definitely do it in manual mode, but we won't eat so much meringue soon.))

This entire instruction is a complete mystery ...
<...> In Italian - 3 stages, which the instruction is silent about ... (((

That's right, they confused the description.
But there is no translation error, in other languages ​​exactly the same table.

I also added minutes 3 before the end of 1 tbsp. a spoonful of cornstarch and 1 tsp. vinegar, as shown on MK

Why starch and vinegar? Did they explain?

On the first 2, neither time nor temperature was displayed (with this indicator in general, sadness, I would really like to see real T)

From the reviews here earlier - there you need to press a button, and the temperature is shown for a few seconds.

In 096, this is easier - the display constantly shows the time or temperature. Use the button to switch which of the two parameters to show constantly.

An automatic program is great, for beginners, a plus, probably. But how many have not read reviews from those who cook (mainly confectioners) earn money, they almost never use them. Everyone is happy with the possibilities of two mixers, the on / off button, but the parameters are set manually, because they are used to controlling the processes, and not trusting them to difficultly prescribed programs. In addition, everyone has their own established sequences.

That's when they make the next machine with the ability to program, how in multicooker you can set multi-stage options with different time / temperature for each stage, with a signal when something to add from the products, then there will be a completely bomb!

Why starch and vinegar? Did they explain?

“For a better result” it was said, but what the improvement was was not explained.

From the reviews here earlier - there you need to press a button, and the temperature is shown for a few seconds.

Exactly, I saw this message ... On the temperature button, right?

But how many I have not read reviews from those who cook (mainly confectioners) earn, they almost never use them.

Well, for a protein cream, Italian meringue is very good to use!

The temperature button, right?

It seems to be. I can't say for sure, there is no new induction, only the previous one. But I remember so.

I'm never a super pastry chef, but I noticed the difference.

I agree with LudMila, there is a difference in the finished meringue, I liked the Swiss more for baking, the Italian one is very fragile, it is better to use it for desserts and decoration.

Why starch and vinegar? Did they explain?

I think starch is for protein stability, as a thickener, but vinegar replaces citric acid so that the proteins in the cream do not crystallize.

Even old recipes recommend adding tartar to whipped proteins - this is tartaric acid. Any acid gives stability to proteins. I think vinegar or lemon juice is not important

if "someone" helps me

Yesterday by bus. the program did tempering and sweets (or rather sweets were made by Svetochka-Blue Orange) and here is the result

and here is the result

Very beautiful!
What's inside? I also want to learn how to make sweets

[zvezda]

zvezda, beautiful and delightful !!!

Very beautiful!
What's inside? I also want to learn how to make sweets

[Miranda]

What's inside

Made with dried apricots. prunes and nuts.
Thank you for rating
Miranda, I did not dare to start, but Sveta showed it and everything is not complicated enough. You can do it for sure! By the way, when it was necessary to temper for the bottoms, I already manually set the temperatures. At 096 it will be easier - there you can always see t on the scoreboard!

Made with dried apricots. prunes and nuts.

Wow
I'm all afraid to start. And this crime cannot be tried with induction Kenwood. We need to get together and try on NG-holidays.

I did not dare to start, but Sveta showed it and everything is not complicated enough.

I have no Sveta

I will help!!

[zvezda]

zvezda, sweets are just top class!

Hello everybody)
Thanks again to everyone for their help in choosing, ordered KM, chose 9060 after all. True, according to the promo code, they ran out of shredders, they promised to send scales instead. It's a pity, I still wanted the chopper, since all the replaceable bowls were taken apart.This week they should bring, how they will arrive - I will share my first impressions

gorgeous candies. waiting for the recipe! (preferably with adaptation and under 096)

[suigeneris]

suigeneris, Congratulations! The wife will be very happy with such an assistant.

Congratulations!

Thank you) Yes, I think she will be happy)

True, according to the promo code, they ran out of shredders, they promised to send scales instead.

I wrote as much as I asked, when the operator called, to change the gift with the promo code for something else, because there are already two kitchen scales for 5 and 8 kg .. that the third ones will definitely be superfluous to me - they have not changed! Scales sent! They lie in the closet)) may come in handy in the future)

Yesterday by bus. the program did tempering and sweets

class .. I have not tried on the author. program .. since it’s a very long time, probably .. I just heat up to 45 and cool the chocolate on the stove .. or I just put the chocolate to heat until working T (but this again takes a long time, if only set in advance) ..

there are already two kitchen scales for 5 and 8 kg .. that the third will definitely be superfluous for me

We also have Tefalev kitchen scales, well, let there be one more spare. Maybe we will give it to someone later.
Although I looked now, tefal is 5 kg, and kenwood is 8, so probably both will be useful)

It's a pity, I still wanted a chopper,

but in mine, the chopper was already included in the kit .. It turns out that they have different configurations .. Before me, the girl took, she also had a juicer in the kit, but I did not have it ..

[firuza83]

firuza83, most likely it was on the shares that the attachments were given as a gift. Judging by the equipment on the official website, the 9060 comes with a blender, a processor and all sorts of mixers, and in the 9040 only mixers and that's it. I would have ordered a shredder without the promotion for money, but now I have to wait until it appears in stock.

and in mine, the chopper was already included in the kit ..

What model do you have?

What model do you have?

9060 .. right now I'll post pictures of what was included .. and km itself

As I understand it, this bowl, which is a little in the foreground, with all these nozzles (round) is the chopper?

[firuza83]

firuza83, Your equipment seems to be the same as on the website, standard. I was referring to a small chopper that connects upside down from the top and comes with several storage jars.

[firuza83]

firuza83, I don't see your chopper.
You probably mistook a food processor for a chopper?

Chopper - AT320 looks like this

standard.

the standard does not include a blender or a food processor (oh, in, a food processor is it!)

You probably mistook a food processor for a chopper?

yeah, most likely .. now I understand what it looks like and what it is - a chopper) thank you

Before me, the girl took, she also had a juicer in the kit, but I didn't have it ..

How much money did the girl take?
Now the price has been lowered, but without gifts, only by the promo code. And when the price was 72 thousand for a complete set, then there were gifts, changed several times.

How much money did the girl take?

also for 60 coins (59,990 r))

[firuza83]

firuza83, then some kind of action.
Because there are no juicers included. And about the chopper already figured out - confused.

And about the chopper already figured out - confused.

yeah) I do not exclude that this girl could have confused something)) all the same, whoever first gets acquainted with this technique will not immediately understand "xy from xy"

Thanks again to everyone !!!
Today they brought a beauty .. Cold, like from the Arctic .. I was afraid to turn it on ((I will test it tomorrow!
Tell me where is the best place to start in order to slowly understand? From simple to complex? The first time I have this kind of equipment in my kitchen
By the way, there is some kind of trouble with the nozzles ((I ordered a dough-rolling nozzle in the kit, so they don't have it, They say they will bring it in a week ..

[Stasya23]

Stasya23, boil water to begin with.
Congratulations! Let it please!

[Stasya23]

Stasya23, Congratulations!
Let it serve for a long time

Have you already unpacked everything, deployed?
Stunned by the size? Have an idea of ​​where to store your attachments?

[zvezda]

zvezda, Aaaaaaa, hold me seven, right here in the bushes! This is not candy, but a fairy tale !!! Can this really be done at home! What crazy hands! Imagine how delicious they taste !!!



My husband will come one of these days - he said that I would finally decide on model-096 or gourmet. I am still reading the forum and more and more inclined to 096. One moment suffers - the temperature difference from 140-180. Why use this range? Nothing comes to mind - just popcorn. But I'm a cook, so-so, maybe I don't know why, poke me, what else can you do on this t-re. As a matter of fact, this is probably the last stumbling block (not in favor of the gourmet).

[kartinka]

kartinkawhat to cook more? For what purposes do you take?
thank you for rating
At home you can create EVERYTHING!

waiting for the recipe

The recipe is simple ... 300g. chocolate and 50g each. dried apricots, prunes and nuts. The process itself is important there!
Describe ... probably I can’t: girl_sad: I did it myself for the first time (I rather looked and helped a little)
Molds from Ikea and Prime Decor (they pop out perfectly from silicone)

[zvezda]

zvezda, the family decided that we would buy the source code in the stores. I am mastering bread (oven for now), cheese, ham and sausage, milk ... I can do a little sweet, marshmallows, chokopasta, ice cream, halva sweets, but I didn’t use simple chocolates. I go to the store and look at the shelves - what I can and what not yet ...
And thank you, you need to repeat this once again, for moving us to such heights. and also girls who patiently answer amateurish questions
I do this, but my daughter and son-in-law do not want to come - they shout that they are losing weight ... (here I do and hide it from my eyes ... - it’s homemade, I didn’t stand next to the store) and are afraid: spiteful: what will happen, how Keshenka will appear ...

[Twig]

Twig, Thank you!))
Miranda, yes, in general, she normally fit into the interior .. but the size impressed)))) I haven’t even unpacked the attachments yet .. today I’ll do it, but I’ve already looked at the place for them))) and then my husband freaked out from the number of boxes .. ordered to disassemble as soon as possible)) )

[kartinka]

kartinka, According to your requests, both machines will do! Previously, which of the combines were? Probably need to start from this

[zvezda]

zvezda, I still have a German Bernette (food processor, graters) Still working fine. I cook everything. We need a kneader, a meat grinder and a station. blenler. I want wipers, mini grinders and dough sheeters. I understand intellectually - the simpler the technique, the more reliable, in theory, the sens is also suitable, BUT it seems like you want a bigger bowl - then XL comes out, and this is a naked gourmet, + 5t to 096 and 5t to 960, so it turns out 096 or gourmet. Starts with the need - ends as usual
We have nowhere to even see the induction itself. I reread these branches (3 and adjacent), I think, how much is the gourmet messed up with programs? 096-so it is also proven, and in the branches everything is already described in the main.
HIGHLIGHT - t range 140-180 which - I don't know now WHAT TO APPLY. And why this range is useful later, well, and subsequent nozzles without an adapter. For me, both are good, but you have the opportunity to compare both of them, so I turned to you as an experienced user - before my husband arrived: girl_cray: I need to decide.

[kartinka]

kartinka, I would take 096! I like 9060 ... but I have already written about all the moments that confuse me. It is much more convenient to work with the adapter (even if you buy KAX series attachments) on the low-speed socket on 096!
Py. Sy. What city are you from? (In a personal note) Otherwise, as unnecessary, I will sell a new set of dough sheeters

It is much more convenient to work with the adapter (even if you buy KAX series attachments) on the low-speed socket on 096!

Why? Do you have two adapters and have such an opinion, or did the process of attaching and using the socket form such an opinion?

[zvezda]

zvezda, Kaliningrad. As for the dough rollers, after the purchases, I and the children still have points - after km we want to spend them on adapterless attachments, and then we will buy in addition. But in our mvideo, the presence of attachments is not predictable, then I will use the offer and write to you in a personal

Miranda,

the process of attaching and using the socket

So after all, the low-speed socket remained unchanged, it was the food processor that moved to the high-speed one, as far as I understood, the only difference is that the 096-minus screwdriver is AT, and the gourmet hexagon is KAH, but with the right attachments everything should be equally convenient (without an adapter), although earlier the girls wrote that the hexagons are just more convenient, although maybe I misunderstood something, I just do theoretical knowledge in both machines Miranda, rather test the gourmet!
And it's not a closed question what to cook in the range of 140-180 * C ??? Maybe the answer is in the instructions for the gourmet - lucky owners! -What is suggested to be done at such temperatures?

Girls, hello. I'm a newbie! I got here because I wanted to give my wife a good gift for NG. I read the topic selectively and came to the conclusion that a "good" CM is 096 and higher. But when getting acquainted with the complete set of this KM nozzles, the question arose, why they, infections, do not put the meat grinder attachment! And separately it costs almost 10 tons. I decided to scratch YandexMarket for an alternative. And now, welcome, Kenwood KVL8470S. In my, amateurish, opinion, the biggest difference is the absence of induction, that is, heating the bowl. We have a multicooker. Good. The wife is crazy about PP. By the way, I can't imagine how she is going to combine the exploitation of the CM and "healthy" food! But who will understand you women. Not the point. Tell me, what else does the 8470S lose to the 096 or the 9060S?

[gray]

gray, welcome!
Great idea and great gift.

Tell me, in which city / country are you to understand what to advise?
Sometimes a separate meat grinder from another company is also an option for advice.

And yet, a meat grinder is a piece of additional purchase, and there must be some at home too. But do not buy induction later to the car.

At what price did you plan to take the 8470S?

Place of residence Mos. region Zhukovsky. The price for 8470 YM is given by 57 tons. Induction is a good thing in itself, but if you don't use it, then why is it? The multicooker "steam" for 5+. And I strongly doubt that it comes to heating when kneading something pastry. Again, not the point. Besides induction, are there other pluses in 096 and 9060? And why do I need a second "bandura" in the kitchen in the form of a meat grinder, if the first has it?

[gray]

gray, I understand that this is a gift, but can I still ask my wife? After all, she has to use the car, suddenly she has a dream.

A multicooker and a heated machine are very different things.
There are people among us who have more than one multicooker, and a heated machine. I have one multicooker, and one heated machine, I can say for myself - very different gadgets.

A meat grinder as a nozzle, still not worth 10 thousand. I don't know where you looked.
In addition, this nozzle, which many, who are on offer or do not need, are selling a new one much cheaper. I just recently updated myself with a blender - my friend took a car + 4 attachments for the promotion, she doesn't need them, I already know two that I sold (one to me), I don't know if I had time to sell the meat grinder, or she had dough rollers (now I had doubts about your memory, you need to call)

There are pluses, and 096 and 9060 are different. But I don't know where to start explaining about the nuances. First, I want to understand the motivation and the price range.

I saw the site on the Ya-market. Well, they seem to write what to pay upon receipt, but they are completely unfamiliar, it is not clear why such a price is low for such a complete set.

Ask my wife ... But what about SURPRISE ?! About prodovan agree, muddy. But at the start of sales in July, the price was similar. So, in principle, maybe NG will have similar offers from normal offices. And about the benefits of induction, try to explain them to a teapot like me! If they really are, then I will understand!