Kenwood Kitchen Machines

And in the new ones? Even it seemed to me that there is already a lot of electronics. Not?

Perhaps, but it rather works for induction. It is unlikely that they will include it on the mechanical part. This will severely undermine reliability. Although, God knows them ...

I understood it. Device name, accuracy class?

Well, exactly the error is not six hundred percent. And, for example, on a waffle iron from Moulinex, everything came together to a tube - amperes, watts and volts. Well, on refrigerators, too, and on vacuum cleaners, and on kettles, irons ... And that's just Kenwood, it got a little messy, right?

In the old ones, surely there are no mechanical interlocks while simultaneously occupying several nests?

What locks, what sensors? If they were, empty nests would not rotate. Everything is extremely simple there, like a rake. Therefore, there is a wide scope for experimentation.

Added on Wednesday 05 Oct 2016 11:27 AM

And, for example, on a waffle iron from Moulinex, everything came together to a tube - amperes, watts and volts. Well, on refrigerators, too, and on vacuum cleaners, and on kettles, irons ... And that's just Kenwood, it got a little messy, right?

It came together, how is it?
Like, if 500 W is declared, then 500 does it show? If so, then the device is working at the limit of its capabilities and, most likely, will not last long. Both the vacuum cleaner and the iron have adjustments, so there can be no constant power consumption.

Perhaps, but it rather works for induction. It is unlikely that they will include it on the mechanical part. This will severely undermine reliability.

Did Miranda talk about induction yesterday? It looks like an ordinary car, no? But she knows how to turn off herself during a long idle time. And in general, her twist looks modern.))

Added on Wednesday 05 Oct 2016 11:56

And do not forget that power is active and reactive.

Well, if Kenwood's reactive power accounts for 4/5, then the reputation of the khan.

It came together, how is it?

It came together - this is when, at different voltages, amperes and watts change depending on the voltage, but always U = W * I.

Like, if 500 W is declared, then 500 does it show? If so, then the device is working at the limit of its capabilities and, most likely, will not last long.

Hmm .. How do you think heating elements should work under load?

Both the vacuum cleaner and the iron have adjustments, so there can be no constant power consumption.

This is something very difficult for me, sorry. (

[Bijou]

Interestingly, will our nozzles fit them?

Okay, I'll get a separate envelope

Bijou, and the hook there is not from induction, but completely different, also spiral, but the configuration is different and "chopped off", very similar to the original one. Start a stocking, at worst - a sock)))))

Oh, did you have a coupon? I didn't even find an ID, although I was on a regular Ken. Maybe they don't do them anymore.

I had a coupon, yes.
But not with a code, like new ones, but an old model, which is like a little book, there is a questionnaire to fill out and old data (where to send mail, etc.).

ID - what do you mean?

Biju, and the hook there is not from induction, but completely different, also spiral, but the configuration is different and "chopped off", very similar to the original one.

Listen, how do you understand all this ??

But I ought to look at it at work, I think .. What if, because of the lower bowl, there will be completely different behavior?

I wonder if these hooks are fragile? Or maybe buy an extra ordinary one, and make fun of him with the use of physical violence?

I also had a book on my old one, where I had to cut out a questionnaire, fill it out and send it. And on the cover of the book there was a code (ID).He also fit in the profile or on kenwoodbooks. I haven't noticed something on the new one yet, I still need to look.

And on the cover of the book there was a code (ID). He also fit in the profile or on kenwoodbooks.

There is no ID on the coupon, no place in the profile to enter it.

I've already written three times and to hell with me, not a book. Scored.

I tried to upload my code to books, showed that I had already used it. I called Delongy, wrote down the coordinates, said that someone would call back. It doesn't burn, but it's still interesting, especially since in half a year it could have already reached

[Bijou]

Listen, how do you understand all this ??

Bijou, yes, I "got sick" with them as I saw, so I notice all the symptoms. I bought it and am happy as a little child on the Christmas tree. I think that soon they will be on sale, the Germans are sure. They will knead differently, but the result is the same. The main thing is that they are there for the chiefs and majors, the "sick" can get medical treatment for little money

[Peter Push]

Peter Push, there is no spatula on the new spiral hooks, just chopped off.

I'd like to see how he kneads.

[Miranda]

Peter Push, there is no spatula on the new spiral hooks, just chopped off.

I'd like to see how he kneads

Miranda, I already wrote about this, it is not only chopped off, but the configuration is different. I don’t remember where, but on the internet I saw a roller of Kenwood kneading dough with this hook, a fascinating sight, And Kenwood was probably the 60s of the last century, dark red all of himself. So this hook is not a find, but a forgotten old, maybe a little changed. How does it knead? yes, how is yours.

[Miranda]

I'd like to see how he kneads.

Miranda, Duc Masha posted a video with a batch. We talked about attachments like ..
And, here, I found:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=121798.0

mixing video

I see this at home almost every day

I meant like a new hook, because it doesn't have a spatula, it was like being cut off with a saw.

[Bijou]

Bijou, at Miranda induction machine, so you don't need to watch the video

but on the internet I saw a roller of Kenwood kneading dough with this hook, a bewitching sight,

What hook are you talking about? from 020 or what?
So we had a video on the forum.
Find him.

[Masinen]

Masinen, about a new hook in new cars, which is spiral, like in inductions, but without a spatula at the end, but chopped off, as it was in the 60s.

[Miranda]

MirandaWhere did you see the hook?

mustache found

Added Wednesday 05 Oct 2016 4:05 PM

Well, a hook, like a Bosch, the dough is wound around it. Why did they do this at all I don’t understand, when the hook from induction is the steepest one.

Wherever models are presented.

At least at the office. Russian website.
Complete set press

🔗

[Masinen]

Well, the hook is like a Bosch, the dough is wound around it. Why did they do this at all I don’t understand, when the hook from induction is the steepest one.

Masinen, probably, so that the owners of a new miracle would have something to dream about (in addition to induction)

For clarity, both hooks are together.

Hook at induction.


The hook is on the new Titans.


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But to be honest, it seems to me that we are all a bit of that

Neither, but I went to lay the sock on the hook from the induction ...

I meant like a new hook, because it doesn't have a spatula, it was like being cut off with a saw.

From Zhezh Bijou screwed up.
Clear. The last time Push and I talked about "induction". So I screwed up that there is another configuration.

Beautifully Kitchen kneads. Does the hook there accidentally remind you of something new?

spiral, like in inductions, but without a spatula at the end, but chopped off, as it was in the 60s.

How to make a person feel good? First, do him badly, and then return it as it was?))

Kitchen has a regular hook, but it is convenient to hang it on the rail. Usually kneads.
But at Kenwood 096 is simply mesmerizing.

Hmm .. How do you think heating elements should work under load?

Yes, heating elements are like that, but engines are completely different.
And a 1500 W vacuum cleaner is unlikely to show the indicated power on the instruments, however, like any other device containing a motor. This indicates the estimated maximum power that this engine can constructively give out and above which it can collapse. But this is not the nominal operating power. And the Chinese have nothing to do with it.

Added Wednesday 05 Oct 2016 05:31 PM

This is something very difficult for me, sorry. (

Well, yes, a little complicated if you don't know an electrician.
Earlier, by the way, the maximum power of the device and the nominal, well, like the average working power, were indicated. Well, there it was, that the maximum is 1500, and the nominal is something about 300 watts. And now, for marketing purposes, the nominal "canceled". However, you cannot be fooled and you manually measured it.

And the Chinese have nothing to do with it.

Well, it's also customary to talk about "Chinese watts" in audio, for example.)
By the way, a separate meat grinder also does not show what is on fence corpus write. I didn't have to under load yet, but when idle with a nozzle about 220. At the same time, 1500 on the body. They say that this is, like, the permissible load on the shaft when jammed.

We really ought to measure the power with a meat grinder at Kenwood. But I will not unpack mine yet, I will wait for other naturalists.)

Yes, heating elements are like that, but engines are completely different.

Well, I was talking about the waffle iron, where is the engine from?))

Added Wednesday 05 Oct 2016 05:40 PM

Well, yes, a little complicated if you don't know an electrician.
Earlier, by the way, the maximum power of the device and the nominal, well, like the average working power, were indicated. Well, there it was, that the maximum is 1500, and the nominal is something about 300 watts. And now, for marketing purposes, the nominal "canceled". However, you cannot be fooled and you manually measured it.

Still do not understand. Any device with a heater indicates the power consumption in the permissible voltage range. And not consumed, which is the "average worker".
Well, okay, it's time to stop flooding, otherwise we will be "asked" to exit.

[refrigerators]

Well, it's also customary to talk about "Chinese watts" in audio, for example.)

This is profane reasoning.
Watts exist depending on the frequency of the signal.
If it is a 50-60Hz mains electrical sine wave signal, it is one Watts,
Acoustic watts or with a frequency from 20Hz to 20 kHz are completely different watts.
But they also differ depending on the measurement, either for a sinusoidal signal or for a broadband signal.
Sinusoidal watts of acoustic signal are usually rated for 1000 Hz.
Well, the Chinese simply do not specify what watts they write and therefore it is very difficult to judge the real power of the device depending on what is written on the label.

Added Wednesday 05 Oct 2016 06:34 PM

They say that this is, like, the permissible load on the shaft when jammed.

Rather when wedging.
When jammed, if there is no protection, the power may exceed.

Well, I was talking about the waffle iron, where is the engine from?))

Oh whether ...

And, for example, on a waffle iron from Moulinex, everything came together to a tube - amperes, watts and volts. Well, on refrigerators too, and on vacuum cleaners, and on kettles-irons...

Still do not understand. Any device with a heater indicates the power consumption in the permissible voltage range. And not consumed, which is the "average worker".

The key word here is "heating". In motors, everything is different. And for heating systems it is not "power in the permissible voltage range", but the maximum power consumption. Well, that is, with the adjustments fully turned on and the nominal voltage of 220 volts. If there is a voltage range, well, that is, the device operates in the range from 110 volts to 250 volts, the real power, in full accordance with the formula given by you, will change depending on the voltage change. Actually, this is most often the case for adjusting the power and, accordingly, the temperature of the heating devices.

Added Wednesday 05 Oct 2016 06:40 PM

Clarified, drove two nozzles at the same time without any problem.
And indeed, if the kneading of the coolest dough squeezes out only 250 W from the machine, then the machine will hardly notice the addition of a blender or even a meat grinder to this.

And indeed, if the kneading dough squeezes out only 250 W from the machine

Would you like a video?) I can only shoot with my phone, alas. And not today, of course.

Oh whether ...

Ah ... Well, in this aspect I admit.) I remember that I shared with a pencil only on a waffle iron, and the rest simply did not have those errors five times that you suspected. The refrigerator completely repeated the promises of consumption. So why would I doubt the accuracy of the device, and even on such a scale - I did not understand at all. )

If there is a voltage range, well, that is, the device operates in the range from 110 volts to 250 volts, the real power, in full accordance with the formula given by you, will change depending on the voltage change. Actually, this is most often the case for adjusting the power and, accordingly, the temperature of heating devices.

Thanks, I'll know. ) But I was talking about the standard inscriptions on the nameplate 220-240.

Clarified, drove two nozzles at the same time without any problem.
And indeed, if the kneading of the coolest dough squeezes out only 250 W from the machine, then the machine will hardly notice the addition of a blender or even a meat grinder to this.

This is valuable information.
Only I still have a bit of doubt about the meat grinder. More precisely, I have not seen how she works at Kenwood. On a separate motor, it even whines when I grind raw chicken necks or heads, for example, or just come across very tough meat. So we need to wait for practical observations - maybe there a meat grinder generally pulls more than a hook with noodles.))

By the way, Kitchen doesn't really let the dust in his eyes, he calmly writes 300 watts and seems to be able to handle the batch quite tolerably, judging by the video. But I don’t insist, I didn’t communicate live.

Kenwood and Kitchen have different insides.
I have both. Both are good. Kitchen is even more pleasant. Fair. I do not know who to send to the dacha to live. Previously, no questions asked, there was a sense in the country.

Would you like a video?) I can only shoot with my phone, alas. And not today, of course.

Do not. I believe. The figure is plausible.

On a separate motor, it even whines when I grind raw chicken necks or heads, for example, or just come across very tough meat. So we need to wait for practical observations - maybe there a meat grinder generally pulls more than a hook with noodles.))

It's not a fact that the motor is blowing. It can howl from an increased load, rather a pair of gears. The motor does not howl, it just slows down a little, heats up, and then starts to stink with a burnt winding.

Added Wednesday 05 Oct 2016 07:45 PM

By the way, Kitchen doesn't really let the dust in his eyes, he calmly writes 300 watts and seems to be able to handle the batch quite tolerably, judging by the video. But I don’t insist, I didn’t communicate live.

We do not know what those who wrote on the nameplate meant.
We must try everything "to the grip".
Practice is the criterion of truth.

What is the difference between chefs, senses, and majors? If somewhere it was about this in detail I will be glad to the link.

In general, of course, it got lost, I just really wanted to cache with induction, as a new one came out ...

[Prank]

Prank, where?

[Prank]

Prank, where?

Well, they wrote above. New without induction, backlit means soon and new induction will be.

[Prank]

What is the difference between chefs, senses, and majors? If somewhere it was about this in detail I will be glad to the link.

In general, of course, it got lost, I just really wanted to cache with induction, as a new one came out ...

Prank , look: our topic number 2, page 354, answer 7067 - a line of cars - at least some, far from complete, idea of ​​the Kenwood km.
New without induction, see here 🔗, right there and "old". Good luck!

Added Wednesday 05 Oct 2016 11:33 PM

And the difference among the chefs is 4.6 liters, among the majors - 6.7 liters. They vary in power from 800w to now 1600w. There is a line of sens - there are both bowls, there is a cookin chef, they have large bowls of 6.7 liters, new ones - there are also 4.6 and 6.7 liters. And what new induction ones, if they appear, well, there will be no medium-speed nest, well, there will be backlighting, it is not important, take democratic prices for them for now.

Clarified, drove two nozzles at the same time without any problem.

Cool, thank you! And although now, when everything is cut with one wheel, it is not very convenient, but I will keep in mind that, in principle, you can try. Ato some kind of confusion: Ken and Boshek (MaxxiMUM) prohibit simultaneous use, Keechen is silent about it (does two attachments fit there at once?). At the same time, there is a video on Youtube from presentation 096 (posted by a certain CookingChef Russia), where it is said twice that you can, for example, knead dough and twist minced meat in parallel.

Added on Thursday, 06 October 2016 00:30

And the difference among the chefs is 4.6 liters, among the majors - 6.7 liters. They vary in power from 800w to now 1600w.

And somewhere here the infa slipped through that Major, like kMix with "just Chef", are leaving the stage. Inductions and Senses of two sizes will remain.

And even though now, when everything is cut by one wheel, it is not very convenient

She was already dull, trying to understand what it was like to cut in the nozzles with different wheels.)) Do you need several motors or a gearbox of a perverted design?

And what new induction ones, if they appear, well, there will be no medium-speed nest, well, there will be backlighting, it is not important, take democratic prices for them for now.

I agree 100%.

Firstly, new inductions have not yet been announced, and are unlikely to come before spring. Since major announcements are made by firms for exhibitions. Major exhibitions in early autumn and early spring. At the autumn IFA 2016, both the new Kenwoods and the new Bosch were presented, if this is about the kitchen. cars.

Secondly, it should be assumed that many of the new machines without inductions will be applied in inductions. But let's take a look at this new one.

1. Backlighting is not a great innovation.
2. Remove the medium speed slot. Now only the food processor goes to it. The processor itself was not changed, they only changed the stick on which it is placed, and the stick itself is attached to the socket. And this stick can be purchased separately.
3. Sufleika included. Not a fact, but let's say. Now induction costs 60 thousand of a complete set. Soufleika 2,5 thousand. Total 62,5 thousand. Are you sure that the new induction will be at such a price?
4. Smooth head tilt. Convenient, yes.
5. New spiral hook. Not the fact that he is better. And it's not a fact that it will be added to the induction.

That is, it is all together a pleasure. But it has nothing to do with the operation of the machine, i.e. kneading and other processes.

Now, if something is changed in the motor, in principle of operation, in speeds, etc. - here you can already think, and then, depending on what the price is.

096, which can now be bought for 60 thousand, is a great car. And if someone is dreaming, then there is no need to wait for a new induction. It is not a fact that it will be in the spring, and not in the fall or in another year. A car of this class and quality is a purchase for ten years, during which another 3-4 brand new options will come out.

And somewhere here the infa slipped through that Major, like kMix with "just Chef", are leaving the stage. Inductions and Senses of two sizes will remain.

Not certainly in that way. Not induction and Sense, but a little more.

Previously, the models were divided into Chef and Major, they were distinguished by the size of the bowl, and different attachments that are related to the size of the bowl (whisk / whisk, ice cream maker, potato peeler, etc.).

Then inductions appeared, which, although they had the same bowl size as the Majors, and 100% compatibility of all attachments with the Majors, were called Cooking Chef, many users were confused because of the word Chef in the name. We bought the wrong attachments, etc.

Then Sense Chief, kMix, appeared. And there are also separate initial series - Prospero and MultiOne.

On Sense, the division into a smaller / large bowl was tested not by the new name of the series, but simply by Sense and Sense XL.

The new Titanium and Titanium XL are like the old names Chef and Major, i.e.machines similar in classification, but with different bowl sizes.

The word Titanium has already been used in models such as the Titanium Major 020/023 and subsequent generations. And Titanium Chef - 010/013 and the next generations.

____

As far as I understood from the foreign Internet, the company decided to gradually bring different machines to a common denominator.

There will be the next series, each has / will have the word Chef in its name. The word Major will no longer be used. But this does not mean that this class of machines, which we used to call Majors, will no longer be produced.

1. Cooking Chef - induction.

2. Titanium Chef HL - the coolest without induction, with a large bowl, receiver Mayorov 020, 060.

2a. Titanium Chef - the coolest without induction, with a small bowl, receiver Chefov 010, 050.

3. Sense Chef CL - medium category without induction, with a large bowl.

3a. Sense Chef - medium category without induction, with a small bowl.
Now there is also the Classic series (they were also divided by the size of the bowls into Classic Chef and Classic Major) - these are 336 and other plastic ones. That is, the initial category. He will also be Classic Chef and Classic Chef HL. But not this year.

But what will happen to kMix, Prospero and MultiOne - I don't know.
Personally, I think it's convenient.

All will be Chefs, the size of the bowl will be determined by the presence or absence of XL in the name, and additional. the word will determine the class of the car - Cooking, Titanium, Sense, Classic.
Earlier there was still the word Premiere (in the old classifications), its fate was not googled.

But I googled another brand new car, with the word Elite.

I didn't understand about Elite yet what kind of series it will be. Which place will it take - above the Titanium or below, above Sense or below. Judging by the lower power, lower weight and configuration, it is still lower than the Titanium. But I don’t know their relationship with Sense.

If anyone is interested in considering, comparing the specifications of Titanium and Elite, then here are the links to the office. the site is international.

Titanium Chef new with a small bowl - 🔗

Elite Chef is new with a small bowl (with a large one, that is, Elite Chef HL has not seen it yet) - 🔗

[Miranda]

Earlier there was still the word Premiere (in the old classifications), its fate was not googled.

MirandaI had 560 Premier. He was a class below the Titanium, but above the Classic. Apparently, he was replaced by Sens.

And this stick can be purchased separately.

And where?

[Pancho]

At the same time, there is a video on Youtube from presentation 096 (posted by a certain CookingChef Russia), where it is said twice that you can, for example, knead dough and twist minced meat in parallel.

Pancho, I think, this is throwing dust in the eyes of the inexperienced, because we knead the dough at 1 speed (if the wet is 80%, then at the 2nd), and the meat grinder works at 3 and higher speeds. Judging by the new Kenwoods, the company does not set itself the task of creating a new machine for Julius Caesars.

There will be the next series, each has / will have the word Chef in its name. The word Major will no longer be used. But this does not mean that this class of cars, which we used to call Majors, will no longer produce

Miranda, thank you for such a clear and harmonious classification of km.

Miranda, I had a 560 Premier. He was a class below the Titanium, but above the Classic. Apparently, he was replaced by Sens.

kseniya D, and I have kmm770, I also think it was replaced by a sense with a larger bowl, although I am sorry if the premieres are not released, such handsome workers. If only they put stainless steel nozzles on all cars, I don't think that this will greatly increase the price, but there is a lot of benefits to the consumer))))

And where?

Vinochek, look in service centers or specialized delongue stores selling spare parts. Good luck.

search in service centers or specialized delongue stores selling spare parts. Good luck.

It's clear. I thought maybe they saw it in a particular store.

One thing I personally don't like about new cars is the rear pedal. I have nothing against the pedal itself, maybe it's even a little more convenient than the old-mode lever. But my car is not standing sideways, but the end is along the pressure cooker with a bowl towards me.And to reach so far as to raise her head and touch the dough in the bowl, I’m completely out of my hand.

[Vinochek]

It's clear. I thought maybe they saw in a particular store

Vinochek, the specifics are: - spare parts for Kenwood in Kiev, there they are now, maybe you can somehow contrive ...

We have a discussion here about W, so I just understand them - in the sense that not what they wrote, but what they invested. Paul I, Bijou, but I am very worried about something else, the absence of any oil seals and holes where I could drip oil for lubrication, because glands, nothing can be done, but it is necessary to lubricate.

[Peter Push]

Peter Push, Thank you. The name is at least clear now.

I had 560 Premier. He was a class below the Titanium, but above the Classic. Apparently, he was replaced by Sens.

Maybe.

There is also some new Elite.
Externally, the twin brother of Titanium, the same roundness, the same 4.6 liter bowl. But a little less power, 1kg. less weight, a few centimeters different size.
The idea of ​​reducing everything to a logical, coherent classification is great. But I think it will take several years, because even if new production lines are launched, the old ones still need to be sold.

In the meantime, 2-4 years are sold out, users will still use the words Major, Premier, etc.

Plus, I've been googling when a foreign Internet, I was amazed at the number of comments, they say, Kenwood was presented to me for a wedding and have been working for 20-30 and even 40 years now.

Although, I understand that even 20 years ago it was, firstly, it was a different company, and now part of De'Longhi, and secondly, then there was no "conspiracy of manufacturers" to make products that work a little longer than the service life, they did for centuries.

And where?

Oh, while I was writing the answer, they already answered

I wonder what will happen to the socket for attachments for new models? Or should it be discussed in another topic?
None of the photos show a nest.

[anna_k]

anna_k, Anya, it seems to me that there is a hexagonal pin, as in sensations.
So you need to take care of your old attachments.

[Miranda]

Plus, I've been googling when a foreign Internet, I was amazed at the number of comments, they say, Kenwood was presented to me for a wedding and have been working for 20-30 and even 40 years now.

Miranda, we must also bear in mind that foreign young ladies pamper their families with a full-fledged dinner only on weekends (unless, of course, a cafe, restaurant, gashtet, etc. is planned), there is a sandwich-coffee system (that's wear and tear), that's us almost every day we set the tables - both the first and second and compote, and on weekends we also have all sorts of goodies. Well, the technique in those days was made in smaller quantities, but of better quality.