Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

[Bijou]

Bijou, Helen, why are you against vacuum cleaners with a bulb instead of dust bags? I myself wanted either taoki or Karcher with an aqua filter and then I came across your message that all this

against vacuum cleaners with flask instead of dust bags

May I answer. I read many sites and, as a result, changed my initial opinion about vacuum cleaners with a bulb. They work well at first, and then they lose power. As a result, I decided for myself that I should take it with a bag.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, oh how: girl-th: do not want a karcher with an aqua filter?

[louisa]

louisa, you need to ask the owners. Since the sellers have it all very competently.

do not want a karcher with an aqua filter?

I personally have no complaints about him. Works for 15 years for sure. There are claims to myself)) I have cats, respectively, wool, and crumbs from not very neat baking eaters. Therefore, you have to vacuum often. After each time I don’t drain the water, and in the evening I regularly forget about it ... Yes, big, heavy. The suction power does not drop. If it falls, rinse the filter and everything is OK. If you vacuum, rinse the unit and put it away until next time, then great. I do not clean, always at the ready.

Biju, Lenochka, why are you against vacuum cleaners with flasks instead of dust bags?

Well, because it's a pretty awkward vacuum cleaner first of all. It needs to be cleaned, shaken out, filters and sometimes a flask washed .. Today they brought us one with a diagnosis "stinks and does not pull", maybe my husband will "look". The degree of filtration of such vacuum cleaners is quite low, which is why the filters get dirty quickly (some people have to wash the "paralonka" three times to clean a large apartment and dry it before turning it on again) and HEPA gets clogged, and all the talk about its washable ability is talk for the poor from the realm of myths.

The situation is better with multi-cyclone vacuum cleaners "in imitation of Dyson", but even then they are often modernized by adding self-made intermediate filters.

In general, I seem to have told all this in detail, haven't I?

Added Monday 15 Aug 2016 07:38 PM

you have to vacuum often. After each time I don't drain the water, and in the evening I regularly forget about it ...

And does not hesitate ?? I forgot the washing time with water, so there it was! ..

I forgot the washing time with water, so there it was! ..

So I am writing

There are claims to myself))

It is unpleasant that you have to wash more often with the means ... And if right away, you just need to rinse ...

I forgot the vacuum cleaner with an aquafilter before the vacation. In summer. For a week and a half. In short, by the time I arrived from the seas, I was met by a new civilization. Well, pah-pah-pah, I washed the toilet bowl cleaner. Wild know name, but I have already 6 years, probably (liberton or liberty, something like that) I'll stand there too, listen. Mom ordered a vacuum cleaner and a refrigerator ...

In general, I seem to have told all this in detail, haven't I?

Lenochka, forgive me, yesterday I started to read from the end, probably I have not yet received a big thank you for your feedback, I really did not know about the disadvantages of such vacuum cleaners

I personally have no complaints about him.

here my friend has been using it for three years - she likes it

I really didn't know about the disadvantages of such vacuum cleaners

Well, everyone has a downside. It's just that the advantages should outweigh these disadvantages in each individual case. If, for example, I need to vacuum the yard or sawdust from under the machine, then I can also adapt the cyclone, because the quality of the blown air is not important to me, I will think of intermediate filters to wash the foam rubber less often, and there will be no problems with dusty debris pouring out precisely that this is your yard and you can always adapt. This is not torment for you with dust scattering around the toilet and around or stuffing the flask into a bag so that later there was less cleaning.))

But in the house it is an extremely expensive multi-layer bag, in which the vacuum cleaner is always plugged into its outlet and ready to work.Once every few months I open the lid of the vacuum cleaner, take out the closed white bag with one finger and bring it to the trash can. That's all the maintenance of the vacuum cleaner. But these bags need to be bought (and they are not cheap) and this is also a payment for convenience and cleaning.

Someone uses a water vacuum cleaner, each time opening the vacuum cleaner, pouring water into it, then pouring it out (it's good if only once for cleaning), wash the bucket (and sometimes filters), dry it, then collect the vacuum cleaner back, start everything with the next cleaning again. This time, place, extra chores ... But it seems like savings. The most expensive and best bags, after which people do not even use HEPA, cost today 900 rubles for 4 pieces, this is enough for a year, it turns out that people fiddle with a water vacuum cleaner 10 times a month for 75 rubles a month? Well, okay, even for a hundred. Price for a pair of chocolates.)

It seems that the owners of good multi-level cyclones, for example, modern Dysons, are the winners. Although the thrust there is dead, the nozzles are well thought out that compensate for the low power and losses for creating vortices. But such a vacuum cleaner costs about so much that it becomes comparable to using the most expensive bags for a long, long time, and you have to pay a lot and immediately.

So everyone chooses for himself.
And many people, having used cyclones / flasks / water, return to bag vacuum cleaners, picking up inexpensive models and buying proven, normal, not the most expensive dust collectors for them, plus a twister on the handle. This gives excellent savings - a couple of bags are enough for a year (the operating cost will already be 25 rubles per month) and the absence of a possible odor if organic matter such as animal hair or food remains are vacuumed. But here, too, there is a drawback - the twister (a narrow long cyclone flask) also has to be poured out 1-2 times during cleaning, however, this is done very, very simply and the dust does not scatter.

girls a week ago my Vitek burned down, who served faithfully for more than a dozen years. you can't live without a unit. and now the brand new Vacuum cleaner BOSCH BGS 11700 is already working. Great boy. Quiet, lightweight (not in size, the old one was smaller, but heavier), maneuverable, solid plastic, without consumable bags, long cord, very powerful - the suction power at a minimum is enough for cleaning an apartment, which is generally noiseless (no animals, 56 meters ). Excellent for the price and quality. I am delighted!

until I noticed the shortcomings.

And many people, using cyclones / flasks / water, return to bag vacuum cleaners, choosing inexpensive models and buying proven, normal, not the most expensive dust collectors for them, plus a twister on the handle

Lena, thanks for the post. I am very glad that my conclusions on choosing a vacuum cleaner absolutely coincided with yours.
Now you need to decide on the manufacturer.
Do I understand correctly that you are not a buyer? Are you somehow involved in the renovation?

Do I understand correctly that you are not a buyer? Are you somehow involved in the renovation?

Nope, wrong.
I just hang out on forums for a long time, I can draw conclusions from other people's mistakes and have several vacuum cleaners at home. Well, like this accidentally lucky Historically. And I also bought the first of the modern vacuum cleaners just in a regular store, taking out the brain to sellers and looking for a "waste-free option" with a "reusable bag". Skipping a bunch of little things along the way. Well, I paid for it. ((A year later I bought the one that has been plowing in inhuman conditions for years ... eight, probably?
True, even then I avoided looking at cyclonic ones, faced with this principle of filtration for work.

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, thank you very much for the useful information: simple, clear, clear !!
And can you ask a question about dust collectors -

at home it is an exceptionally expensive multilayer bag

- what brands Do you think the dust collectors are good? I have a Bosch BSG 8 with 6-liter bags. I buy, in principle, any - both paper and non-woven, not branded - those are very expensive.
The vacuum cleaner is 7 years old, but if it suddenly breaks down (although the company guaranteed work for as long as 10 years), I'll buy Miele - while my daughter and my family were vacationing in the south, I decided to do the housekeeping and vacuumed their apartment with a Miele vacuum cleaner (I don't know the letters) - delight! ! Beast!!

Miele (I don't know the letters)

Oh), what a pity ... I'm talking about letters ...

[are the same model]

I buy, in principle, any - both paper and non-woven, not branded - those are very expensive.

Surely I know that the worst are paper and Menalux-synthetics.))

Of those that she herself used, Filtero with the letters Extra (they are blue now) and the person whom I trust completely, it seems, praised Cambrook.

Oh), what a pity ... I'm talking about letters

But what is there to know something? There are only two types of vacuum cleaners - small and larger, with nozzles placed in the body under the lid. Here they have a power of 2000 W (so far) in our country, are the same model of different colors and differ only in the equipment such as different brushes, in the presence of a hep, Comfort handle, controls on the handle or body.

But there are also volunteers with reduced power, they are sold much cheaper, it is definitely not worth buying them today, but "tomorrow" there will be no more normal ones - Europe is switching to new standards, the Big Mile has already lost its "extra" 200 watts, and then the whole will be 1200 (or 1400?) watts of power.

this is Filtero with Extra letters (blue ones are like that now)

: mail1: write

it seems Cambrook.

about Cambrook, I have a very inexpensive handheld vacuum cleaner from this company, I really like it, for a minute's work, crumbs, vacuum the threshold, the mattress is a great thing

For 2 years now I have had a vacuum cleaner with a Karcher Mediclin water filter. I am absolutely happy with it. Pros: Traction is not lost by the end of the harvest. It cleans very well, the turbo brush is included and the kit, after cleaning the air becomes cleaner. The vacuum cleaner is very powerful and convenient to use - it is easy to reach any corner and the water filter is easy to clean. The only negative is that it is heavy in full equipment with water. But in a one-level apartment - this is not a problem, since it easily rides on large wheels. In terms of the quality and speed of cleaning (it is not necessary to crawl several times in one place), all previous vacuum cleaners lose.

In terms of the quality and speed of cleaning (it is not necessary to crawl several times in one place), all previous vacuum cleaners lose.

A list of vacuum cleaners with photos of nozzles can you go to the studio?

Believe me, the dust is completely equal, so that it will be caught there at the other end of the hose - it is ripped off the floor by a well thought-out nozzle and suction power. And then, at least in general, blow that dirty air out of the window, and not push it into the water, the dust in the carpet does not think about its future fate. ))

Lena, the "thoughtful nozzle and suction power" are good when all the dust remains in the vacuum cleaner, and is not blown back, polluting the air of the home even more. This is exactly what does not happen with a vacuum cleaner with a water filter, which cannot be said about all other types of vacuum cleaners.

[Lena]

Lena, did I understand correctly that one synthetic filter Filtero is enough for a month? that is, you don't need to clean the vacuum cleaner?

Lena, "thoughtful nozzle and suction power" are good when all the dust remains in the vacuum cleaner, and is not blown back

Sorry ...
My remark was exclusively on your sloppy wording "(no need to crawl several times in one place)"

What is the quality of filtration?
Moreover, this Körcher is by no means Rainbow and not even Thomas, but the most primitive hookah, where part of the dust easily slips through inside the air bubbles.

Added on Tuesday 16 Aug 2016 02:39 PM

Lena, did I understand correctly that one synthetic filter Filtero is enough for a month? that is, you don't need to clean the vacuum cleaner?

Well, it depends a lot on what and how much we remove. You cannot be so head-on for all the conditions. Usually they are changed due to the appearance of an odor or due to a drop in the suction power.So, removing the grated putty, I fill my bag from Mila in half an hour, and from time to time walking through the bedrooms I change it almost every six months (there is a second vacuum cleaner of the same kind).
You should already be clear about your conditions from previous experience.

Added on Tuesday 16 Aug 2016 02:40 PM

Filtero is the same bag as everyone else. Simply with good filtration quality. I can look for the section of the clogged bag, the clean outer layer is clearly visible there.)

You should already be clear about your conditions from previous experience.

dyyy who knows, I now have a flask, after two or three cleanings I shake

Simply with good filtration quality.

understood, thanks again for your advice

[louisa]

louisa,
Good luck with your choice!

[Lena]

Lena, Thank you!!! your advice on any topic is very valuable

[Lena]

Lena, Thank you!!!

I know that the worst are paper and Menalux-synthetics

Basically, these are the ones that I buy Everything, I will look for Filtero and others, or maybe I saw it, but I did not pay attention. Moreover, I was glad that the bags were so budgetary. True, we change them more often than they are completely filled: after all, the volume of 6 liters is a lot, and there is also a cat, - it seems to me that it starts to smell somehow not very
Crochet, Inna, of course, I can find out about the Miele letters, but as Lena said, there the attachments fit into the body.

But in a one-level apartment - this is not a problem, since it easily rides on large wheels.

Exactly, that's why I took Karcher back to the apartment with a water filter, and brought Karcher back to the dacha with disposable bags. I am satisfied with both vacuum cleaners, the suction and service quality is very satisfactory to me. At home I use a water vacuum cleaner once a week, in the country - two / four times a month.

Basically, these are exactly what I buy

Sometimes ...
I got caught like that myself. And even twice. True, in the first, purely out of inexperience - I bought it for Electrolux. Seem, did not have time to use it, as he died. She cut off the cardboard and stuck it into the Mile for experiment. I vacuumed for 5-7 minutes, took it out, with a complete daze I saw the dirty bottom in the vacuum cleaner chamber. And the bag darkened outside in five minutes almost more than in several months the native Milkin bag darkened. At the same time, the compartment was very clean. Before Menalux.

There are photos for all occasions - both Menalux in section and dusty outside, and Mile, and Filtero, and even some Ukrainian.)) So you can safely take their word for it.

Tell me, do you buy bags for vacuum cleaners of any company? are they universal? I want a lightweight inexpensive vacuum cleaner, it is possible with bags, but which one? and where to buy bags?

are they universal?

No. Almost every brand has its own type of bag. They can be sewn from the same material, but they are equipped with different seats for installation in a vacuum cleaner. Now the Russian company Filtero covers almost all brands of vacuum cleaners I know, although it is possible that some exotic, which was previously a Chinese know-name, has not yet been covered.))
They have been sold for many years in Yulmart, which seems to be quite common throughout the country and delivers to pick-up points free of charge. Well, I know a few more common online stores such as Ozone or Citylink.

Swirl makes very good sacks. After the Milkins, they are probably next in quality. Although not everything, the numbers are different. But I met complaints about the poor fit of the cuff to the inlet of the vacuum cleaner, which is why dust can slip from the bag along the pipe into the chamber. Itself did not come across and did not use.

Lena, and which vacuum cleaner is better to take, so that it is inexpensive

[Natalia]

Natalia, no, no, I don't know how to make such decisions for people. (
If someone knew an excellent inexpensive model, then everyone would just buy it ... And so you always have to sacrifice something, and here personal preferences are already making a choice. And no one will guess in advance by reliability ...

Not so long ago I supplied my friends with small orange Samsung cars with a cyclone on the handle - then Eldorado was selling "last year's collection" for 4.5 thousand.Today that "collection" is still on sale and costs like new - 7-8-9 thousand. At the same time, the vacuum cleaner remained budget-friendly - a short hose, a simple brush with an elastic band instead of bristles on the back side, the absence of clamps on the attachments, and so on ... So everything is relative. (

A friend who threw us an old vacuum cleaner with a flask, bought a similar one again from Gorenje. A thousand in five.
The old one lasted no more than a couple of years. I looked - inside the flask was all braided with hair, the foam over the flask was clogged with dust, the main nozzle without a support wheel fell off, the pipe was thin, the hose was short, a nightmare, in short, not a vacuum cleaner.

I had samsungs and lies, but I didn't like Bosch, I resold

[Natasha]

Inna, of course, I can find out about the letters Miele

Natasha, find out please, if it's not difficult ...

So far, I'm looking at this model:

Vacuum cleaner Miele SGDA0 Complete C3

[Crochet]

Crochet, why not the same, but with a hepa?

[Anya]

with hepa

Anya, sorry, with what?

Hepa is that we have?

[Inna]

Inna, from wikipedia:

HEPA stands for High Efficiency Particulate Air or High Efficiency Particulate Arrestance.

Just a similar model of milky (I've also been looking closely at vacuum cleaners lately, since the cheap LG needs to be changed already) The Miele SGFA0 HEPA vacuum cleaner has a better filter at the output. Bijou, did I understand the description on the Miele website correctly?

This is a filter that traps dust in the vacuum cleaner, and it does not fly back out with air.
Oh, while I wrote already answered))

Krosh, why not the same, but with a hepa?

Because for models without a hep, a plastic grate should be included in the kit, where you can put a free outlet filter if you are not allergic to clean. And only if this level of filtration does not suit you, then go and buy HEPA in the store (for models with it, it doesn't matter if you buy a new one in a year or two. But hepa is sold everywhere, and the case for the output filter must be ordered through the service and it also costs not a hundred And here for free, just check availability.

Added Wednesday 17 Aug 2016 2:57 PM

Biju, did I understand the description on the Miele website correctly?

Right. But I have already explained everything above.
Correctly Krosh chose, in short.)

[Lena]

Lena, Thank you. Probably, even if there is an allergy to dust in the family, it makes sense to take first without a hap and try?

Correctly Krosh chose, in short.)

It remains to decide where to get it, iiii) ... and the end of my suffering !!!

[Anchic]

Anchic, well, here I am not an advisor. (On another forum, one uncle who is allergic himself and usually when cleaning his nose always "twisted in his nose", as he puts it, had long ago adapted the Mila bags to his Samsungs with his straight handles. does not notice any problems either when cleaning (but I don’t know if there is a regular hep there), or, most importantly, when removing a dirty bag. That is, for him personally, this level of filtration, which is provided by just a thick mil bag, is quite enough.

Another note. From other bags on the output filters there is a slightly grayish coating of micro-dust, but from milky ones - not. Only black "charcoal" from the worked brushes on the engine. But there is really a lot of it, yes. And no one can understand why.)) True, it perfectly settles on the output thin filter, which always comes in a box with bags.

That is why I say that hepa hepoy, but how can I buy a vacuum cleaner with it, but it will not fit snugly (as sometimes happens in cheap dust), or after pollution it will simply be thrown out and not bought a new one, then the option with free scraps, which always can be invested in a vacuum cleaner simply because it is always available, it looks the most attractive to me.

However, other people may have different opinions.

[Lena]

Lena, thanks again!

[do not know how to catch cyclones]

Girls, but not at all.

By the way, here is a bonus photo of the bags. Above is the same lousy Menalux from Mvideo. It is in the cut, but I will put only milkin after the twister.It can be seen how fine dust is neatly distributed over a thick loose layer inside, so as not to tightly clog the pores of the bag and not to extinguish the cravings.





And here is a photo of the output filters of multicyclones - Electrolux Ultracaptik and Dyson.





But this is not HEPA, it is further (if any), and this is the dust that do not know how to catch cyclones... Therefore, it is caught by ... a rag.

So far, I'm looking at this model:

Vacuum cleaner Miele SGDA0 Complete C3

Nowhere, well, nowhere can I find the suction power for this model ...

Why doesn't the manufacturer specify it ?!

Perhaps someone will tell you where you can get hold of this information?

Added Sunday 21 Aug 2016 09:45 AM

Hepa this is what we have

In me a miracle in feathers, it turns out mine, who ordered to live long, Bosch BSG 82480, was with this filter, and I was neither sleep nor spirit ...

It's a pity that this Boshik model is out of production, I would have ordered the same one again and would not know grief !!!

How can I already got it tired of these torments of choice ...

Oh), my grave sins ... I also needed an iron ... I needed even yesterday ...

Why doesn't the manufacturer indicate it?

Because this indicator is akin to Chinese watts on boomboxes or meat grinders - it actually does not show anything.)) That's Mile and does not humiliate herself to such cheap marketing.

[Lenochka]

Ah), that's it, it turns out ...

Lenochka, thank you very much !!!

Please.)) No, in fact, this theoretically deduced value, of course, takes place. Here are just too many variables to calculate it ... If it's really interesting, then try in the search for the word "Suction power: what it is and how we will measure it", you will get to the article. It is unlikely that it describes a 100% correct experience, but as a first approximation it is completely fair.

Who can be sure of the correct measurements of vacuum cleaners by manufacturers? Look, even with the hoods they cannot agree with each other - who measures a bare hood, who with connected filters and pipes that simulate a connection ... But it seems like the most basic characteristic for this device. ((

Therefore, they mainly look at power consumption, because the efficiency is about the same for everyone, and the rest depends on the voltage, the filter element and its degree of clogging and on the type of nozzles / hoses and the like ...

[Miele SGMA0 Complete C3 Comfort]

If really interesting

Yes, already, to be honest, not really ...

I am this morning nearly that I decided to order a vacuum cleaner, damn pulled me to catch my eye on another milky model, Miele SGMA0 Complete C3 Comfort ... price difference from Miele SGDA0 Complete C3 not small, in 12 tons. ...

We shouldn't (or is it still worth it?) throw yourself on an expensive model, because more expensive is not always better ... or I have outdated information ...

Krosh, yes there is almost the same consumer characteristics. The main difference is the handle controls. If this is important, why not? The Comfort handle, of course, is quite comfortable, I have one on both old Milks. But it is clear that there is a downside - over the years, the rotating joint begins to slowly suck in air and whistle.

The control on the handle there is a radio, moreover, I recently met a complaint that the vacuum cleaner wants a complete shutdown on the case, and sometimes perceives commands from the handle as temporary - if you leave the dust plugged into the outlet and disconnected from the handle, it will occasionally turn on. I don't know if this is a glitch of a specific instance, or it was intended that way, or a third-party radio signal is taken for a command .. You should at least read the instructions, or something ...)))

* I somehow met a complaint about my hood - they say, my husband opens the gate in the garage from the remote control and the hood turns on at the same time *