Which bread maker to buy?

skis, mules and Panasonic are on the shelves because they cost a lot. Good inexpensive stoves are swept away quickly.

Or maybe on the contrary - stores prefer not to mess with inexpensive ones so that later they don't have problems? In general, who knows ... Statistics right there on the site suggest the opposite - most have more expensive models.

what is unknown - will you use this bread maker or play around and push it into the mezzanine ...

A good product can be sold as used after all.

[Panasonic]

Hey.
I'm inclined to Panasonic ... maybe 2500, 2501 ... What do you say?

Panasonic In your hands!

[OlgaVlad]

OlgaVlad Take this Zojirushi-BB-CEC20 unrealistically cool!
here is their website and instructions https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/s-image/3128/servicesupport/manuals/manual_pdf/bb_cec20.pdf



Here on Amazon

[OlgaVlad]

OlgaVlad Take this Zojirushi-BB-CEC20 unrealistically cool!

What they are! .... interesting That's just on Amazon, in almost all photos of bread with a very white (just some kind of unbaked) roof, although they write that it was baked on a medium crust ...

And I do not have a Panasonic, but there are 4 types of dough - dumplings, shortbread, yeast and biscuit.

Ira, well, where were you when I was tormented by the problems of choosing a stove - for a whole month I lived without it for everyone I ate what baldness to buy, and you see partisans in the Ukrainian forests

The fact that there are a lot of manufacturers of bread machines in the world is already clear. But the choice is really limited by the availability in reality. There are always Panasonic, Mulinex and LV in stores. All other firms are sold either in some IP shops or online stores Horn and Hoof ...

And I have been looking for Panasonic for a long time in Stavropol ..

[IRR]

And I do not have a Panasonic, but there are 4 types of dough - dumplings, shortbread, yeast and biscuit.

IRR, Irina, do you have a DELFA DBM 938?

And I have been looking for Panasonic for a long time in Stavropol ..

Recently, we have appeared on the free sale, including new models, and last year, oh, I ran around while looking for Panasonic. I bought it in an online store, picked it up by self in another city. It is not easy for me to get it

I also love online stores, they did not let me down. So far, everything that I bought is working! And the choice of HP is not an example there anymore!
I think I stopped at Binaton! The price is generally fabulous!

Eleanor, which model of Binaton did you choose?

do you mistrust online shopping?
skis, mules and Panasonic are on the shelves because they cost a lot. Good inexpensive stoves are swept away quickly.

Well, you also say ... Maybe you have and stand And in no PANASIKOV you or SKI. HERE is the center of Europe ... SELPOOO ... in the shops there is solid china supra delphi and so on. I ask where Panasonic And they tell me "we are so expensive only on order" and even require an advance payment !!! and you say stand

Cheap and expensive stoves break in the same way. Read the forum. Only with the road will you run and look for where to fix it for your hard-earned money, since it will work out your investments for a long time, and just throw out the cheap one and buy a new one.

It is not economically feasible to repair a cheap thing, that's for sure!
But do not forget about the psychology of the "Soviet" person when trying to repair everything and the keyboard for 6 dollars and do not hesitate and HP for 50 will try to "revive" and even be indignant at the same time why there is no normal service and where to buy a lost paddle or leaking bucket

[gypsy]

Ira, well, where were you when I was tormented by the problems of choosing a stove - for a whole month I lived without it for everyone I ate what baldness to buy, and you see partisans in the Ukrainian forests

that we are with gypsy in this thread and even in non-brand and even in dough mixers, we fight for inexpensive models with enviable regularity. (I already sometimes have toxicosis from myself - one and the same, one and the same) and again a new person comes and 333 the last Chinese time asks - what HP to buy, maybe Panasonic?

AHA, we answer in chorus with a gypsy. Can

[IRR]

IRR, well, remind me how much dough you can knead with your Delfa.

again twenty-five ...

The fact that there are a lot of manufacturers of bread machines in the world is already clear. But the choice is really limited by the availability in reality. There are always Panasonic, Mulinex and LV in stores. All other firms are sold either in some IP shops or online stores Horn and Hoof ...

I live with mother. There are 4 eaters in total, including 1 child. I'm afraid to take nouname stoves. And for an anniversary somehow for a thousand is not good!

I am not going to do programming - again, I am not a cook / pastry chef. I just need an excellent HB to bake basic things in principle.

you need to choose from what you want, then you will find the money, and the strength to search and order ... or from what is ... And the most correct approach is that it will stick to your hands when you actually meet. Moreover, if you already liked one stove (you touched the Panasik with your hands? Did you like it? Then it is yours).

Regarding the stove - ripe for Panasonic 2501 (2502 does not like the stainless look). Regarding the place - from the table top to the hinged shelves 56cm. The stove will move in height, but to open it you will need to move it to the edge. There is no extra space for stove downtime. You will most likely have to pull back and forth, so as not to interfere with just standing on the countertop

I also had Panas for two years - it pushed it out to the edge of the countertop from under the cabinet, then the stove moved to another part where the food processor used to stand, which I used less often than HP.

[IRR]

IRR, well, remind me how much dough you can knead with your Delfa.

well, one and a half kg for sure. Oh, girls and boys, who can still hear me - well, buy yourself for the test MANDATORY - a 2-mixer powerful oven. It kneads very quickly and can be very cool. You don't need to mix the dumplings with your hands. And the size of her bucket is this (in length), it allows rolls, challah - no problem.

.. in the shops of solid china supra delphi and stuff. I ask where Panasonic

is Panasonic not China? and find in your home small household appliances not China. Will you tell us later? - very interesting

We know that your region is poor in technology. With ovens, with multicooker ... already from there your repeatedly.

I remember about the kneader only when I knead the dough on cakes.
That's why I'm asking.

well, one and a half kg for sure. Oh, girls and boys, who can still hear me - well, buy yourself for the test MANDATORY - a 2-mixer powerful oven. It kneads very quickly and can be very cool. You don't need to mix the dumplings with your hands. And the size of her bucket is this (in length), it allows rolls, challah - no problem.

IN!!! I here, too, thought about two stirrers binaton 2169 (we have 5500r and also on order), that's what only KENWOOD have enough, can KENWUD 900 buy the same with two stirrers.

I remember about the kneader only when I knead the dough on cakes.

and I turn it on in a day or two. Even if you don't need much. So I got used to literally three zips ... (okay ... four ...)

In Russia, it has an analogue - the Erisson BM-250 Bread Maker (Erisson BM-250, BM 250) - about 3.5 thousand rubles, finally a beauty, little white

well, one and a half kg for sure ...
She kneads very quickly and can be very cool ...
And the size of her bucket is this (in length), it allows rolls, challah - no problem.

Eh, IRRchik, I would have taken this one for myself, but I have two eaters in my house now in total (I and two small ones, which I count for each other), and one more stove is needed just where one eater is constantly + two periodically, so I already looked towards the unpretentious Orion-27.

is Panasonic not China? and find in your home from small household appliances not China. Will you tell us later? - very interesting

here I disagree - there is China, and there is China ...

Maybe the comparison is not entirely correct, but it's like porcelain - there is really high-quality beautiful dishes, which are even inherited, but there is an extra, whose decals are washed off, the bottom is slightly crooked, and it goes from the category of festive to everyday, do not feel sorry for her break up.

here I disagree - there is China, and there is China ...

IMHO, the story repeats with the Panasonic multicooker ...

long live the most multicooker multicooker, everything else is crooked bullshit

Rinchik, well, not really we are without eyes, to distinguish a curve ... not by Panasonic alone ...

shl. Irchik, kids are growing up, especially peasants, you still take 2 mixer, what are your years

stop-stop-stop ... I didn't say anything about bullshit. It's just that every situation, every psychology has its own product. Someone buys expensive dishes for themselves every day, and someone such that it is not a pity if it breaks. And the dishes "for breaking" will do their job no worse, or even better ...

I am for multicooker for "bullshit", in the sense of being available and inexpensive, and I will buy such an inexpensive "bullshit" because the equipment suffers quite a lot on trips.
And in Zaporozhye I will buy an inexpensive "bullshit" - the toad presses me to buy something expensive, I don't need it ... I have my Panas stationary in Kiev, and, I hope, it will still work for two or three years ...

My principle is to buy a person what he wants, but he himself would not spend on this purchase or could not spend more money.
If I bought HP for someone's anniversary, then certainly not from the category of cheap.
If I were buying just a gift for friends who rush from town to village (to a dacha, to a sports base), then I would just buy an inexpensive one.

But these are all questions of individual psychology. We don't shove goods into our hands here. We help everyone to think about their reasons for their choice.

ALREADY thinking to buy a cheap one on it ... and then persistently wait for PANASIK ... Here FIRST everything is filled up, almost in stalls they are sold. FIRS 5152 this PANASIK looks like

stop-stop-stop ... I didn't say anything about bullshit.

of course you didn't, you talked about the service and the slightly crooked bottom

Well, you must agree that the choice of hp - Panasonic is a different story. And the bread is better made from it, and there is a program of French bread and rye (or rye not?) And dumplings (fainting, but pleasant). And most importantly - the absence of a window was erected at a positive moment

[For the second grade! Against the second freshness!]

about the service ... paying a low price for a plate or a cup, I at least know that the bottom can be crooked, this is not bullshit, it's just an honest second grade.

Paying for an inexpensive "non-brand" stove, you will be more relaxed about its shortcomings.

I'll tell you where the bullshit is - these are not cheap stoves of one well-known "brand", which break down with enviable consistency in the first two months of use, by the end of the warranty they begin to leak a bucket, and the inscriptions from the case are erased almost immediately. This is, one might say, "second freshness".


In:

For the second grade! Against the second freshness!

I'll tell you where the bullshit is - these are not cheap stoves of one well-known "brand", which break down with enviable consistency in the first two months of use, by the end of the warranty they begin to leak a bucket, and the inscriptions from the case are erased almost immediately. This is, one might say, "second freshness".

And who is it?)))

Eleanor, which model of Binaton did you choose?

yes, now I choose between Binatone BM-2068 and Binatone BM-2169
And now, quite by accident, I stumbled upon the description of the HP BBK HB1003.In general, I love this company, well, I have come across electronics, now I will compare these three models to make the final decision when updating a bakery machine. up to 4000. And you will download the appearance!
I'll think! But the main thing is that the direction has already been determined!

[wort]

And who is it?)))

here is exactly the same story with a bucket at wort... Kenwood she's got Kenwood. What Rinka wrote about

of course you didn't, you talked about the service and the slightly crooked bottom

Well, you must agree that the choice of hp - Panasonic is a different story. And the bread is better made from it, and there is a program of French bread and rye (or rye not?) And dumplings (fainting, but pleasant). And most importantly - the absence of a window was erected at a positive moment

I agree completely straight! All this is in other considerably, very much cheaper stoves. And the absence of a window, I can not in any way call a positive moment, no matter who tells me anything. The lack of a window is a nightmare! Hitachi is an old elegant lady who lives in the country house, with a window, in Panas's apartment there is a coffin without a window with an automatic dispenser, which, upon opening, knocks and rattles. Design! Well, something more interesting, more entertaining. She crossed herself when she broke Pansovsky's thermopot in the summer, urgently bought Redmondovsky for half the price of the previous one, and now not only all the same plus a bunch of additional functions, including programming, but also a backlit design Even the water level indicator glows with a cosmic blue light and the water in it boils in the form of a spiral!
In general, in my deep conviction, the stove should be with a window and please with an inexpensive price and design.

I'll tell you where the bullshit is - these are not cheap stoves of one well-known "brand", which break down with enviable consistency in the first two months of use, by the end of the warranty they begin to leak a bucket, and the inscriptions from the case are erased almost immediately. This is, one might say, "second freshness".

about! gold words! my brand Kenya, and the year did not last, the bucket leaked, thanks Jeffrey helped to find the oil seal. And after a couple of months, the "rose" where the bucket is inserted nafig flew off .. I was so angry, okay .. did it, so after a couple of months again !!!

[wort]

here is exactly the same story with a bucket at wort... Kenwood she's got Kenwood. What Rinka wrote about

is there nowhere Marusya, which with numbers, has not lurked? I wrote about mulinexes

is there nowhere Marusya, which with numbers, has not lurked? I wrote about mulinexes

hello, comrade moderator She was banned, for three months like a stove together

and, yes ... and with a roof of white bread, but there they come up with a chip with a cog and twist it back and forth ... in general, they coped with it, but don't throw out the shozh? that kind of money

My principle is to buy a person what he wants, but he himself would not spend on this purchase or could not spend more money.
If I bought HP for someone's anniversary, then certainly not from the category of cheap.
If I were buying just a gift for friends who rush from town to village (to a dacha, to a sports base), then I would just buy an inexpensive one.

But these are all questions of individual psychology.

That's for sure. Then it is necessary for those who come to the forum to immediately talk about themselves * I am with the old Soviet psychology * or * I am a modern person *. Literally a month ago, I bought my dad (far away pensioner) a Brown razor, because the other day I was throwing out old junk .. he came across the antediluvian first of the first epilators (Chinese, for legs, of course) .. I won't even describe this passion. I put it in a bucket, and he started to twirl it .. I say nafig he to you? and he can shave them, you can In short, after two birthday, I gave him a Brown razor and gave him (I thought his browns had already accumulated). And what do I hear (he read the instructions) * And this is CHINA ?! * Mom dear! My husband would not have thought of looking for this made of rank
I mean that a person can be said to be offended that I gave him * china *, even though he and Brown I say * mothers are different *.

[wort]

here is exactly the same story with a bucket at wort... Kenwood she's got Kenwood. What Rinka wrote about

I was advised in the Kenwood store to take just.

I remembered another detail that needs to be paid attention to when choosing a technique ... This is the screen and the readability of the symbols on this very screen. One of the Mulinexes, which I "know personally", was presented to a family in which almost all women have very low vision. Even I (with my almost 100%) would not be able to use this technique in even slightly low light. And Panas has a healthy screen, all the numbers are visible even in the twilight.

And Panas has a healthy screen, all the numbers are visible even in the twilight.

In! This is an important argument for me !!! Why did I like 2501, that everything is written in large and in Russian)))

[marusi]

is there nowhere Marusya, which with numbers, is not lurking? I wrote about mulinexes

at marusi was kenwood ... it seems ...

I went to the store now. The vendor advised Bork, then Panasonic. Was categorically against cheap brands and Mulinex)))

oh, girls, you come in, read, throw a couple of phrases and already a balm on your heart ... Mine say that I got into the baker's sect, and if something goes wrong, they say, go to your friends in the Bread Maker, consult: D Oh, this youth

I went to the store now. The vendor advised Bork, then Panasonic. Was categorically against cheap brands and Mulinex)))

beautiful in appearance, but read about them .. people say that they overpay .. I and Lyzhey were pleased and my daughter still misses her, she worked for 8 years for wear, and now she made friends with Panasonic

I went to the store now. The vendor advised Bork, then Panasonic.

well, if you choose from these two, then Panasonic. It is clear that the seller Bork advised, he bakes every day. As he comes after the labor of his truthful ones, so does the bake ...

Good day.

I'm tired of Moscow bread. To the point of nausea. I thought about the stove.
Before that, it never happened, and accordingly never used it.

Here I settled on the LG brand, the average price.

Good or so-so? Any bread you can make? or will there be restrictions?

thanks in advance

Any bread can be made in any oven. But technically ... some stoves don't bake the top.

My old Ski baked everything well both on feed and on the main one, and I liked French more than in Panas, so that there was a crust, I always added either butter or sunflower oil there, even if the recipe was not ... a good stove ..

Hello everyone!

read a lot of information here. In the end I got so confused ...
looking for HP, so that:

I prepared the dough myself and yeast and without, and what would be with additives and sourdough and for dumplings and pizza
cakes to bake
so that different shapes of containers are
snooze timer, what would be
to clean what would be convenient
but not very big

can someone tell me where and what to look at!

[novaj]

novaj There is no such thing. Nearest Kenwood 450, Binatone BM-2169 but they cannot be called small, the language does not turn

Manufacturers do not make this ideal on purpose!