Which bread maker to buy?

Give PANASONIK !!!!

well ... not Bork for sure.

shl. Girls! Whoever has little money can buy budget stoves - yeah for 60. There will be a stove, no worse than Panasonic.

Who has little money, little Panasonic!
Who has a lot, big !!))

And what are the budget ones (I mean, which ones are worth paying attention to)? There are so many of them now !!!!!!!!!!!!

Who has little money, little Panasonic!
Who has a lot, big !!))

gee-gee ... who has such a small

,

who has a lot

[NatkaM]

And what are the budget ones (I mean, which ones are worth paying attention to)? There are so many of them now !!!!!!!!!!!!

NatkaM, look what good ones there are, with such an interface - there are many of them, the names are different - Alaska, Delfa, Mirta, etc. Assembled at one Chinese plant.



the insert may not be gray, but of any other color, for example, this is Rolsen

And you baked bread and dough on cakes in these? They are all beautiful in appearance, but TM does not inspire confidence in something. I already thought about choosing between LG, Kenwood and Mulinex, if there is not enough money for Panasonic. I would like advice from these TMs on which models you should pay attention to so that the dough is kneaded well and the bread is good.

You can buy Panasonic 256. There I also bake rye, on this forum I learned and make different dough. In April this year, I bought it for 5t. with a penny, and of course 257 was more expensive by 2-3 thousand. It comes with a dispenser and a rye spatula. and in the 256th there is nothing of this, but I have perfectly adapted to do without it, and saved a lot of money.

And you baked bread and dough on cakes in these?

my first such stove, she is already 3 years old. Wonderful. And from what you have listed the brand name - it is better then borrow on Panasonic, if not enough. Go read the topics, we have all of them here and about Moulinex, which, by the way, does not bother the upper crust and the owners there tighten up a very informative crown of some kind of bolt.

My Orion 27 bread maker is the second, and the first was Binaton the simplest ... Both are cheap ... I am satisfied with both, I bake and cakes and rye bread! I can throw links to my bread ...
And Binaton did not quite die, he is waiting for his master on the mezzanine (something with electronics).
And in our Foxtrot, sellers hold a master class on baking bread in Delphi and treat all willing buyers with bread ...

And in our Foxtrot, sellers hold a master class on baking bread in Delphi and treat all willing buyers with bread ...

this is the management, I understand.

Olga! Throw aha pictures and show the stove to the photo. Otherwise, I've already removed my bread somewhere, they hang in the topics, but you won't find it right away ()

I also join the IRR asking for photos. Girls, thank you very much for everyone who responded so well. But my head is spinning again. How many people have so many opinions. And everything also depends on luck: you can buy a cheap one and everything will be all right, or you can buy an expensive one and break down in a month. Probably all the same I will focus on Panasonic. Now it all depends on the finances on which model.

Bread in Binaton

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=7352.0

Bread in Orion

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=4553.0

Something Radical is buggy, but a couple of pictures open ...

NatkM, I have a Panasonic 257, everything is said about him here. My colleague LG has already had 3 years and my godmother LG (six months), and different. We often treat ourselves to (read bragging about) our breads, exchange recipes and compare breads according to the same recipe from different ovens.So, LG makes wonderful bread! And the price for LG is lower than for Panasonic.

Happy shopping!

Please advise which bread machine to buy. The budget is 8,000 rubles. Requirements: reliability, convenience and ease of use, variety of recipes. In principle, the task is to bake normal bread without foil and towels.

I decided on the choice. I bought a Panasonic SD-2502 with a yeast dispenser. The most interesting thing is that it costs the same as the Panasonic SD-257, but it looks much better. The bread came out the first time.

I decided on the choice. I bought a Panasonic SD-2502 with a yeast dispenser. The most interesting thing is that it costs the same as the Panasonic SD-257, but it looks much better. The bread came out the first time.

I also have a Panasonic SD-2502, I'm completely satisfied with it

[Rina]

RinaIt's time to somehow convey to Panasonic that they owe a commission chtol to our site, or what bonuses ... we'd take with saucepans ...

yan, we have a lot of people who could have dumped the percentages - panas, perfezza, vin-vita ... but many others ...

Thanks to our forum, I decided on multicooker
And now I wanted a bread maker. I have already decided to buy Panasonic, but I have a question, they say it bakes poorly bread weighing less than 1000 grams. Since we don't eat a lot of bread, I count on baking 500-600 gr. What to tell the master of the baker or tell me about another stove (we will not stand for the price ...)

[crust]

crust, who is this talking about Panasonic? Loaf M in the standard of 400 g of wheat flour + 280 g of liquid, that is, the bread is no more than 700 g. The minimum amount of dough for Panasonic is 300 g of flour, that is, the loaf is about 550 g. Everything is baked perfectly , without any problem.

[Rina]

Rina, Thank you
I read this somewhere on the Internet when I studied the information on bread makers. Long ago I decided on the Panasonic account, but this information was somewhat confusing.
Now it remains to choose 256-2500 or 257-2501 (model 2502 is not interested, although it may not be right).
What's your verdict? Panasonic 257 appeared in stock, now received a message, and other models are available too.
What's better ?

[bread crust]

bread crust, let me ask you. And why, with such a variety of bread makers, did you choose Panasonic?

[bread crust]

bread crust I would choose the "fancy" 2502 or at least 2501

[crust]

crust, alas, I cannot help you with the choice. For three years now I have a 255 model, I have no complaints about it, I am not going to change it yet. Everything that I lack in it is solved with the help of the mind and hands. When the time comes, then I will more seriously study the capabilities and features of new models.

For example, I'm unlikely to use a yeast dispenser, for the simple reason that I bake on pressed ones (and if I had to work with dry ones, I'm not afraid that they will get wet, I just know the properties of flour).

But the presence of the main dispenser is a big plus. Even though I very rarely bake with additives, I would have preferred a stove with a dispenser. And the "rye" program is also needed, although in its "pure form" I practically do not use it - I combine it with another program.

My advice: try to see all the stoves live, feel them with your hands. The one that sticks to your hands is the best choice.

[Rina]

Rina thanks for the answer
Unfortunately, I cannot touch the stove with my hands, because I have not seen them in stores, but I will order through the online store.
I took note of all your arguments, thank you, so the choice has been reduced to 257 and 2501.

S.d07 - my choice in favor of Panasonic, because I have a multicooker of this company and I am simply delighted with it, and no arguments that someone is cheaper and works the same way will convince me.
I have a "brutal" Cuckoo 1054, an excellent multicooker pressure cooker, but Panasonic is so delicate, so smart ...
Therefore, my choice for HP Panasonic

sazalexter - why do you recommend the 2501, it seems to me that its dimensions are slightly larger than the 257?
I choose one of them anyway

instruction (support) I liked this hp. Maybe someone has. Who will say what. I was thinking about the second cheap sweet bread with f-tsia, but my heart smells ...

[bread crust]

bread crust The dimensions may be larger, but this is a new model, it is just more interesting

I am all in doubt. Initially I chose between LG HB-205CJ, Panasonic 257 and Tefalya (with two buckets). In the store, the seller was actively pushing Bork. So active that they almost bought it. Then I read it in the internet .. I changed my mind. I liked the BBK spontaneously, decided to try it, because it is cheap and it’s not a pity, if anything. Not as sorry as the top ten on Panasonic.
And then I find Panasonic 2502. He doesn't cook jam, but with a dispenser. And it seems that the reviews are good about Panasonic in general. And you have to decide before Monday, because on Monday you have to go to pick up the cartoon and the BBK stove. Or not to pick up and order Panasonic.

Please help me choose a bread maker.
Requirements:
- the ability to bake rye bread;
- the presence of a dispenser;
- the ability to knead dough for dumplings and pies.

Ideally, also express bread making and choosing the color of the crust, but this is not necessary.

[alison]

alison It is not recommended to cook jam in HP anyway! If you buy HP for a long time, take 2502 or 2501. If you take any for "trial", but remember "nothing is as permanent as temporary" and "a stingy pays twice"

[alison]

alison It is not recommended to cook jam in HP anyway! If you buy HP for a long time, take 2502 or 2501. If you take any for "trial", but remember "nothing is as permanent as temporary" and "a stingy pays twice"

Jam is a nice bonus)) I suspect that it will be enough for me twice)) We are already drinking tasty and healthy juice from the juicer
Just Panasonic - plastic, but there is stainless steel. It confuses me. What's better? Steel is somehow more natural.

[alison]

alison, when I went to the store, I was also very actively sold BORK. But to the question "why is she better than the same Panasonic?", In response I received only mooing and puffing. Not a healthy situation turned out

Don't forget about marketing (or what is it called there?) In stores. Sellers MUST offer a specific brand or technique other than the one requested. They are actively checked by decoy "buyers". I have seen how aerogrills were actively offered to customers looking for a perfectly clear steamer. Or they tried to sell some little understandable brand.
By the way, this is what Wikipedia says about bork
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Just Panasonic - plastic, but there is stainless steel. It confuses me. What's better? Steel is somehow more natural.

yeah ... but three kopecks against stainless steel. The thermal conductivity of steel is better, that is, the walls should heat up more. Once heated, they release heat outside. And more electricity should be used to bake bread ... (men, don't throw your slippers, I'm not a technician, I have a purely everyday approach).

And steel is not always "natural" - it remains to be seen what is used as additives in inexpensive grades.

Panasonic is a solid enough company to put really high-quality heat-resistant plastic and steel on equipment. So, here, rather, the question is in aesthetics.

[Rina]

Rina, by your link:
quote "In 2009, the Federal Antimonopoly Service of Russia had claims against the Bork company regarding violation of paragraph 2 of part 1 of article 14 of the Law "On Protection of Competition". The violation was expressed in misleading consumers in relation to the place of production sold by this company on the territory of the Russian Federation through third parties of household appliances "Bork". On the packaging of the goods, the company claimed that it produced them in Germany, although in fact the country of origin was China."
In my opinion, this is enough to think about before buying this technique.

[alison]

alison, when I went to the store, I was also very actively sold BORK. But to the question "why is she better than the same Panasonic?", In response I received only mooing and puffing. Not a healthy situation turned out

Well, they showed me a window through which everything is visible (they say, it fogs up and is not visible). And the fastening inside is metal. And at Panasonic it seems plastic. Well, the appearance, of course, is prettier for my taste. But not because of this the stove is bought, of course)))

[alison]

alison, I have a preconceived opinion towards Bork. I just don't understand how a kettle can cost 13 thousand rubles. Not justifiably expensive. I think that prices for their other products are too high by at least 1.5 times. But this is just my personal opinion.

[inside]

even two years ago we had a little Temka about Bork and Panas HERE... And there is a whole section about BORK.

Well, they showed me a window through which everything is visible (they say, it fogs up and is not visible). And the fastening inside is metal. And at Panasonic it seems plastic. Well, the appearance, of course, is prettier for my taste. But not because of this the stove is bought, of course)))

I have a completely German Yunold with a window into which you can pour additives when mixing. So, these windows are not needed in principle.
1. They fog up.
2. If there is no internal light, then little can be seen in the bucket through the window.
3. Quite often, the windows are a zone of heat loss, the tops of the loaves turn out to be pale (and I even came across a frankly damp roof of the mulinex bread).
Nothing bad happens to the dough if you open the lid and look during kneading or proofing. Think: our grandmothers-great-grandmothers baked bread perfectly, not observing the temperature regimes with an accuracy of a degree! It is bread dough that, with the right approach, forgives a lot. Here, some kind of cake can be afraid of shakes, but during kneading you can and should pry, and adjust the dough too.

A mount inside - what is it, completely inside the HP, where there is intense heating? At Panasonic, the lid hinges are taken out of the heated chamber.

I liked the BBK spontaneously, decided to try it, because it is cheap and it’s not a pity, if anything.

Alison, and how much is VVK. I liked her so much. Such programs are interesting, necessary for me. I consider it as the second hp. I have Panasonic and plastic does not bother me. I'm happy with the stove. I consider the absence of a window (+).

Well, they showed me a window through which everything is visible (they say, it fogs up and is not visible). And the fastening inside is metal. And at Panasonic it seems plastic. Well, the appearance, of course, is prettier for my taste. But not because of this the stove is bought, of course)))

At the expense of plastic in Panasikas, the masters told me: hi: that plastic is reinforced ... and it is more reliable than raw metal

Well, in general, with a truly feminine inconsistency (or with my typical one, so as not to offend other girls), I jumped back to Panasonic)) And I ordered both a cartoon and a stove of the same company)) I won't try BBK, apparently)) ) If Panasonic does not disappoint))

Alison, and how much is VVK. I liked her so much. Such programs are interesting, necessary for me. I consider it as the second hp. I have Panasonic and plastic does not bother me. I'm happy with the stove. I consider the absence of a window (+).

LBC costs approximately 3800-4000. Well, where I ordered in advance, something like 3870 or some such figure. In general, not a dozen, like Panasonic. But it was not possible to pick up there right away, the time is too inconvenient for pickup. And delivery is expensive everywhere. It's easier to pick it up yourself)))

[alison]

alison, I have a preconceived opinion towards Bork. I just don't understand how a kettle can cost 13 thousand rubles. Not justifiably expensive. I think that prices for their other products are too high by at least 1.5 times. But this is just my personal opinion.

I sincerely considered Bork to be German technology. I also looked at their juicers and teapots too, yes. Long. Price and name confused. And then I read the reviews on the market, here .. And the site read them. Well, and, of course, Bork was most actively offered to us in Technosila. In general, it was fun.They said to the cartoon, they say, do not care, they are all alike, take Veselectronic, it costs three kopecks, cooks like Panasonic.
But the bread maker .. You just need to take Bork. And they revealed everything, showed it. And they treated me to bread. In short, just some positive emotions remained)) Well, there was not enough money with me, by that time we had already spent. Otherwise, they would have bought, perhaps

At the expense of plastic in Panasikas, the masters told me: hi: that plastic is reinforced ... and it is more reliable than raw metal

Well, good))) And judging by the number of "Panasonic drivers" - this is a proven option)))

I, with your permission, will praise my Panasonic)) well, it works flawlessly. The plastic is of high quality, withstands temperature and does not melt. Over time, the interior has changed color (frying all the same). I don’t. And here on the forum I took away a mulinex stove with the ability to bake baguettes. Choosing now, I would also think about her. Although when choosing Panasonic, I read it from reviews on many sites. This forum has put all the points above and

Well, now I'm ready to join the ranks of the bakers
Just brought HP Panasonic 2501 with a 3-year warranty (price 5990, if anyone is interested).
She is so beautiful and very compact (she looked much larger in the photo). She has a large dispenser (14 by 6) with a lid on top, there is a rye bread program and 2 scoops.
Tomorrow we urgently need to run for groceries and get down to business, I want the first bread to turn out
Thank you all for helping to decide, for the advice

[bread crust]

bread crust, congratulations! 🔗
we make the most correct gifts ourselves

My advice: start learning with the simplest bread (500 g of wheat flour, dry yeast, or "wet" yeast, they also work well, salt, sugar, water, a little oil) and the main program. Therefore, you won't need a lot of food

[Rina]

Rina Thank you! And the bouquet is just gorgeous!
I will follow your advice. But there were some difficulties with the yeast. I bought saf-levure yeast (dry active) in advance, but it says on it that you need to dissolve in warm water? Can they be used and how?
I also bought saf-moment yeast (fast-acting for baking, you also need to dissolve saf-moment for pizza - immediately into flour, but they are with onion powder)?
Can you please tell me to throw them away or can I use them?
And another question: before the first use, you just need to wash the bucket or you need to burn it (as someone wrote, there is a recommendation in his stove) in mine there are no recommendations at all.
Thank you !

Well, now I'm ready to join the ranks of the bakers
Just brought HP Panasonic 2501 with a 3-year warranty (price 5990, if anyone is interested).
She is so beautiful and very compact (she looked much larger in the photo). She has a large dispenser (14 by 6) with a lid on top, there is a rye bread program and 2 scoops.
Tomorrow we urgently need to run for groceries and get down to business, I want the first bread to turn out
Thank you all for helping to decide, for the advice

Congratulations!!!! And if it's not difficult, where they bought it for such a price, pliiiz! Very necessary!

[ks372]

ks372 Thank you!
I bought it through the website of the Panasonic online store, ordered on August 21, an email was sent with an order confirmation and the price was the same as I ordered at that time (i.e. confirmation came immediately after ordering), but the next day the price was already more expensive on the site.
On August 24, they called from the St. Petersburg store Plaza (this is Peat Road 7) - there self-pickup (it is free) and agreed on delivery (500 rubles)
They said that the warranty is 3 years.
Also look at the VDom store (St. Petersburg branch), I received an SMS - that they arrived at the warehouse, the price was indicated at 6100.

Girls boys! please tell me about the volume of the bucket. I need an oven in which bread is baked in height, not width, that is, a narrower bucket. I already got away with searching for something like in my old Hitachi ...

Here he is the first bread from Panasonic 2501, hurray !!!