Which bread maker to buy?

[this function will not require you to perform special dances with a tambourine]

Almost every bread maker has the function of baking rye bread - your little business is to have rye flour and choose the required program. In the Yandex market, you can set a search with a set of functions you need and their entire variety to compare and choose the one you like, because no one will specifically tell you "what other rye bread is baked" - their sea. As for the usual mode, to a greater extent they can be calculated for white bread, with the only difference that white bread, because wheat flour - with a finer grinding, it is lighter for baking, and for rye a little different conditions are required - in principle, I do not saw a bread maker with only one normal mode function. The instructions for the bread maker you purchased will necessarily contain recipes (or separately) for rye bread - this function will not require you to perform special dances with a tambourine.

This is not entirely true, we read the details in the sections of yeast rye and rye-wheat bread.
And with rye on sourdough without a tambourine (dancing around the bread machine), today only a few models can easily cope with, including the budget Brand-3801.

I can say for my bakery - Moulinex OW5004 XXL Baguette (a series that knows how to bake baguettes, in my opinion, everyone bakes rye is Moulinex OW5024 Home Bread Baguette And Moulinex OW6002 Baguettes and Co), it's hard for me to say what she doesn't, or mine just the requests are weak. If we talk about Borodinsky, then of course it requires some shamanism. in a glass, if not, another, so the oven is always desirable in weight measurements.

[If we talk about Borodinsky, then he certainly requires some shamanism]

I can say for my bakery - Moulinex OW5004 XXL Baguette (a series that knows how to bake baguettes, in my opinion, everyone bakes rye this is Moulinex OW5024 Home Bread Baguette And Moulinex OW6002 Baguettes and Co), it's hard for me to say what she doesn't, or mine just the requests are weak. If we talk about Borodinsky, then he certainly requires some shamanism I can still follow up with a separate piece of advice not entirely about bread - buy scales (preferably electronic) along with the breadmaker, since often using measuring cups may not give a good result - if you sift the flour, there will be one volume in the glass, if not, there will always be another preferably in weight measurements.

Don't assume.
No shamanism is required for Borodino bread.
Everything has been written for a long time, read and bake.
Everything takes three hours without a tambourine in any programmable bread maker.
And this is in a one-process way - they fell asleep, mixed and
after 2 hours 30 minutes take out the finished bread.

Good afternoon everyone. I ran through the topics and did not decide which model is better. Please advise what is better than Panasonic SD-ZB2502 or Kenwood BM450? Thank you.

Good afternoon everyone. I ran through the topics and did not decide which model is better. Please advise what is better than Panasonic SD-ZB2502 or Kenwood BM450? Thank you.

Everything in Panasonic is good, but only there is no way to adjust the program to the recipe.
This is always desirable for rye breads and is simply irreplaceable for sourdough bread.
There is really another option - to buy a tambourine for Panasonic, in this case everything will be fine.
Kenwood is inferior in the mechanics of the stove, but compensates for the wider possibilities for adaptation to various recipes.
As a result, these are respectable models when choosing.

Actually, you just confirmed my fears that there is no ideal. That is, if I am interested in an automatic machine, it is better to take a Panasonic, and if Kenwood experiments. As I understand it?

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Actually, you just confirmed my fears that there is no ideal. I mean, if I'm interested in machine it's better to take a Panasonic and if experiments kenwood. As I understand it?

Sourdough baking and rye baking would not be called experiments.
It is very convenient to be able to adjust the program when baking.
Having tasted once, many simply no longer imagine the way back.
In this class, there are only three models on the market in stainless steel and a couple in white cases.
You have chosen two of them.
There is also a budget white Brand-3801 with a set of scales and the greatest functionality on the Russian market today.

I'm still leaning towards Panasonic for now. The bread itself never baked and did not communicate with bread makers. I will definitely bake rye bread. But I don't know about leaven yet). And kneading dough is also important for other dishes. Is it so problematic to bake rye bread and sourdough bread in it?

I'm still leaning towards Panasonic for now. The bread itself never baked and did not communicate with bread makers. I will definitely bake rye bread. But I don't know about leaven yet). And kneading dough is also important for other dishes. Is it so problematic to bake rye bread and sourdough bread in it?

Read on.
All bread makers knead the dough, including for a couple of thousand rubles ..

I'm still leaning towards Panasonic for now.
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Is it so problematic to bake rye bread and sourdough bread in it?

Not problematic. You just have to either rely on built-in programs (which almost completely cover the needs of an ordinary baker), or combine programs (for example, "pizza" + "rye", as I do when baking wheat-rye bread, "pizza" + "baked goods" for some types of sweet, "pizza" + "basic" with a delay - for bread on a long dough).

Thank you very much for your feedback. And I also wanted to ask what kind of tambourine did you mean)))

This is a timer for 100 rubles at IKEA - it helps you remember to switch programs and remind you of your next trip to the bread maker, turning it into a semiautomatic device.

Thank you very much for clarifying. I just read reviews about Panasonic and write many say a minus - you can't bake rye bread and that in all models there is not such a function. Well, for example, I want to be happy with everything. But the function of rye bread is not written here. It is necessary? Or I can just buy rye flour and all that is needed in the recipe, press the wheat or diet mode and get rye bread. Or not ... do you need to search with this particular mode?

[Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives.]

Thank you very much for clarifying. I just read reviews about Panasonic and write many say a minus - you can't bake rye bread and that in all models there is not such a function. Well, for example I want this 🔗happy with everything. But the function of rye bread is not written here. It is necessary? Or I can just buy rye flour and all that is needed in the recipe, press the wheat or diet mode and get rye bread. Or not ... do you need to search with this particular mode?

Here is one example of how to solve this with Panasonic - Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives.

Another question arose. If bread is needed for sandwiches with crust on all sides, do you need to bake several loaves in small portions?

Good afternoon, dear bakers!
I have been reading various topics for a long time, my head is already spinning))
So I decided to ask for advice.

I bake bread in the oven, using my own sourdough - rye-wheat or wheat-rye. In different recipes, somewhere more rye, somewhere more wheat flour.
But with small children it is not often possible to do this, and there is still summer ahead ... In this connection, I wanted a bread maker. So that she would knead my sourdough dough for me, ferment and bake.

Tambourines - from the series, first turn on one program, then another - not particularly scary, I'm ready) Although, of course, I also dream of full automation - to put it at night.

Do you think the Panas 2500 will work? There is no rye bread program in it, but from what I read on the forum, I realized that this program is not popular?
Or is it better to take, for example, Panas 2501, where there is rye bread and, as I understood, a special paddle for kneading rye dough? How critical is the presence of such a scapula? Will this program automatically bake my starter bread?

Panas is not my obligatory choice. If for my needs you advise something else - I will be grateful, I will consider the options)

With a spatula, in my opinion, I messed up ((
In 2501, one scapula is probably the same for rye.

What is the difference then? (I don't need a dispenser)
Rye program - will it help me?

Or is it better to take, for example, Panas 2501, where there is rye bread and, as I understood, a special paddle for kneading rye dough? How critical is the presence of such a scapula? Will this program automatically bake my starter bread?

Sourdough bread in HP on the machine, if only Zozhirushi https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=159825.0 well maybe Brand https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=555.0 well, in principle, on a semi-automatic DeLonghi EOB 2071 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143917.0

With a spatula, in my opinion, I messed up ((
In 2501, one scapula is probably the same for rye.

What is the difference then? (I don't need a dispenser)
Rye program - will it help me?

At 2501 -2 scapula, "Rye" mode will not help

I bake sourdough bread on 1 prog. Bread is very pleasant. And there are recipes for HP .. I have Panas 2500, I had LV. The daughter recognizes only homemade bread. Somehow for a week I hadn’t baked so my daughter said: I don’t have the strength to eat this filthy store bread. For 8 years of LV work, there have been no such ultimatums ...

Mowgli, that is, bake on the machine?
And what kind of leaven? Maybe there is a link to a detailed recipe with ingredients and regimen? I would read)

I looked at the recipe, it's called "eternal leaven", look in the leaven section, I don't know how to make links. I like bread, and I also liked the bread recipe, called "ripe dough", also very much, so buy, any Panasonic is good.

Found the topic, thanks. I just have this - eternal. Tell us, on what modes do you bake in Panasonic? What is the sequence of actions - exactly in working with HP?

Found the topic, thanks. I just have this - eternal. Tell us, on what modes do you bake in Panasonic? What is the sequence of actions - exactly in working with HP?

I bake, on mode 1, the main products have abandoned everything and wait for the result. And it is always excellent, you can take any recipe from Sourdough bread. I bake ordinary table bread, I just add 200 g of sourdough, and the rest is like a medium loaf, when with rye flour together, when just with wheat.

Where is the recipe for this bread? I could not find something (in which section and topic?

And bake with yeast? I just want absolutely no yeast

At 2501 -2 scapula, "Rye" mode will not help

Will the spatula help knead my dough? Or is there no difference - an ordinary spatula or rye?

Will the spatula help knead my dough? Or is there no difference - an ordinary spatula or rye?

It doesn't matter which one.

Where is the recipe for this bread? I could not find something (in which section and topic?

And bake with yeast? I just want absolutely no yeast

look in the sourdough bread section, choose what you like best or suits

hello all bread to the guardians!))) the question is:
Bork 800, Kenwood 450 Or lji 1002? ... O_o
I would like to bake really well, so that different (including black)))) reviews like about all 3 are good, but what to choose? .. Is it justified to overpay so much bork? ... (the price is terrible for them, of course)
In general, which of this is really the best, which is worth choosing?)))

hello all bread to the guardians!))) the question is:
Bork 800, Kenwood 450 Or lji 1002? ... O_o
I would like to bake really well, so that different (including black)))) reviews like about all 3 are good, but what to choose? .. Is it justified to overpay so much bork? ... (the price is terrible for them, of course)
In general, which of this is really the best, which is worth choosing?)))

LG on this list - not serious!

Bork x800 is an excellent model, there is nothing to say, only the price is lame.
Kenwood 450 - the model is confidently in the forefront in terms of quality, popularity, features and convenience.Solves almost all bread baking tasks. In this class of bread makers, one more player has appeared today - this is Brand 3801, not very expensive, with bread it decides everything that can really be thought of. A strong alternative in terms of capabilities is Bork x800, especially when you consider that the price is 4500 rubles. and plus another electronic scales in the kit up to a handful. It is quite possible for this to forgive the shortcomings inherent in stoves not of the first echelon.
If you still have questions - write.

Thank you! Honestly, I see Brand 1 time ..)))) Bork and Kenwood are already familiar and familiar. ))) if lg is superfluous in the list, the question is in the essential difference between bork and ken. The price is clear, but in fact? ...

[Bork and Kenwood]

Thank you! Honestly, I see Brand 1 time ..)))) Bork and Kenwood somehow familiar and familiar already. ))) if lg is superfluous in the list, the question is in the essential difference between bork and ken. The price is clear, but in fact? ...

The main difference is the continuous rising time without intermediate deboning.
This is critical for baking sourdough rye bread in a single process,
although this can be easily solved today. There are no other fundamental differences.
The rise of the dough today with such characteristics has the ability to carry out
only two models on the Russian market - Bork x800 and Brand 3801.
In the rest, you will have to pull out a spatula to raise such a dough after kneading.
Kenwood 450 also has a small glitch, on any manual control, baking will always turn on for 10 minutes, even if you put it on 0 minutes. The rest is a decent stove.

Thank you! As a matter of fact, it makes no sense to overpay for Bork, did I understand correctly? .. And the brand in general, as in quality? I just never heard of her. )))

Thank you! As a matter of fact, it makes no sense to overpay for Bork, did I understand correctly? .. And the brand in general, as in quality? I just never heard of her. )))

You don't have to overpay for Bork. Kenwood 450 - the same in the forefront of bread makers.
More modest, of course, this is Brand 3801 - it has a white body, it rattles, of course, this is normal for stoves of this class, but it works, but its customization options for a recipe are simply gorgeous.

And if you were now choosing which of the two (ken or brand) to buy, which one would you take?))) If you don't look at the price?))

And if you were now choosing which of the two (ken or brand) to buy, which one would you take?))) If you don't look at the price?))

Personally, I would take the brand .... - if you choose between ken and brand. About brand look here

Hello everybody)
I want to buy a stove for my grandfather and grandmother, or rather, they want :)
Tell me a model with simple controls (this is important) that would bake medium-sized bread in automatic mode. The price doesn't matter, well ... within reasonable limits :)
I would write something else that is necessary, but I myself do not know what is important there, because the experience of communicating with bread makers consisted only in eating their products a couple of times))

How old are your grandparents?
You know, completely automatic mode will not work in any stove - even the most sophisticated one. Flour and liquid are different, anyway, in order to get high-quality bread, you will have to manually control the batch.

And if you were now choosing which of the two (ken or brand) to buy, which one would you take?))) If you don't look at the price?))

When you are left without bread, since it is sometimes impossible to bake bread in a non-programmable bread maker in a one-process way and you need a tambourine for dancing, and this is an extra hour, another, then a good programmable bread machine comes to the rescue.
In terms of features and price, Brand is the best choice.
Kenwood 450 - that's just in a stainless steel case.
In terms of capabilities, these stoves are very close and good.

75/82. but so cheerful, you can keep up with your grandfather so figs: girl_skakalka: one problem, they don't really like technology that is more complicated than a kettle))
And how is it to control the batch?

Buy the simplest Panasonic model, and the scales are good in addition, which weigh from 1 gram.Study the instructions for yourself, because, saving on a technical editor, the Chinese themselves write so-a-a-something that you can't make out without half a liter. Granny and grandpa, the bread maker, apparently, will not go to the site, you will have to take the rap.
Controlling the batch - this, depending on the quality of the dry ingredients and liquid, will have to add a little either flour or liquid.

If you need simple, reliable - then definitely Panasonic 257 or 2501
No wonder - he is the most popular!

[We'll have to, in any case, to begin with, sort it out together]

I want to buy a stove for my grandfather and grandma, or rather, they want :)
Tell me a model with simple control (this is important) that would bake medium-sized bread in automatic mode. The price doesn't matter, well ... within reasonable limits :)

Just yesterday I bought and took my mom (she is 70) Panasonic 2500.
Before that, she had Mula for 3 years, the bucket leaked.
In management she liked Panasonic more. And about the ability to program - forget, older people will not do it!
We'll have to, in any case, to begin with, sort it out together, they will be able to bake basic bread in automatic mode. Panasonic "forgives" flaws with the dough, which in the same "mule" will lead to a thick cake that does not rise.

If you need simple, reliable - then definitely Panasonic 257 or 2501

256 and 257, unfortunately, have already been taken out of production, I was looking, they are not selling already. An excellent option is 2500 or 2501. Moreover, I think that 2501 is unreasonably expensive.

256 and 257, unfortunately, have already been taken out of production, I was looking, they are not selling already. An excellent option is 2500 or 2501. Moreover, I think that 2501 is unreasonably expensive.

Nevertheless, in some places 256 and 257 remained in warehouses.
Better to take in the interconnection, otherwise all stores raise prices
Well, about the price - the most unjustified price for moulinex with baguettes

When choosing a bread machine for someone, especially for the elderly, keep in mind an important point - the "readability" of the screen. I myself, having got used to the large screen of the 255th Panas, faced a situation when one of the models of Mulinex was presented to a family where women have not only poor vision, but very poor vision. Even I, with my almost one hundred percent vision, with very great difficulty read information from this tiny, blind-sided screen. In the end, the hostesses learned to use the technique "almost to the touch", but, as I know, they do not bake all the time and the stove was moved to a room with very good natural light.

Well, and without butter, a very decent bread. You upload a photo only through the radical - otherwise there is a direct link, no way.

[12 programs and 47 possible cooking combinations based on these programs?]

Hello!
What do you think about such a stove
There is a phrase in the description, it is not clear what was meant:
12 programs and 47 possible cooking combinations based on these programs?
Can sourdough bread be baked in automatic mode in this oven? I know that you can bake in other ovens, including alternately kneading, proofing and baking, but this is not an option for me.

Maximum power, W: 550W
Max. baking weight: 1000 g
Dough kneading: yes
Number of programs: 12 programs
Baking programs: 12 programs and 47 possible cooking combinations based on these programs,
Dispenser: no
Timer: yes
Other: programmable timer, keep warm up to 60 min, 3 degrees of browning, removable non-stick container, digital LCD

[12 programs and 47 possible cooking combinations based on these programs?]

Hello!
What do you think about such a stove
There is a phrase in the description, it is not clear what was meant:
12 programs and 47 possible cooking combinations based on these programs?
Can sourdough bread be baked in automatic mode in this oven? I know that you can bake in other ovens, including alternately kneading, proofing and baking, but this is not an option for me.

Maximum power, W: 550W
Max. baking weight: 1000g
Dough kneading: yes
Number of programs: 12 programs
Baking programs: 12 programs and 47 possible cooking combinations based on these programs,
Dispenser: no
Timer: yes
Other: programmable timer, keep warm up to 60 min, 3 degrees of browning, removable non-stick container, digital LCD

You need a different stove! How much is this Unit - Happiness?
Programmable good sourdough oven
for one-process baking without a tambourine
will cost 4500 rubles

Brand 3801
and with already electronic scales included,
which will save at least 500 rubles.
Pleasantly!
even for 3600 rubles.

What an interesting answer .....

Of course, for that kind of money and with such opportunities, this is # 1 - that's right!
And we can forgive all this for minor flaws in Brand 3801.

Of course, for that kind of money and with such opportunities, this is # 1 - that's right!
And we can forgive all this for minor flaws in Brand 3801.

Thanks for the answer! The brand has a small power and the top is white because of this, or am I mistaken? And so the stove is a lovely sight!

Thanks for the answer! The brand has a small power and the top is white because of this, or am I mistaken? And so the stove is a lovely sight!

You better go see the baking results in this oven.

Thanks for the answer! The brand has a small power and the top is white because of this, or am I mistaken? And so the stove is a lovely sight!

Do you want to bake bread for the kitchen interior?
Yes, the top on some programs and recipes is light in BRAND.
But if you get used to and adapt, then it is quite possible to get a decent result.

Yes, of course you can adapt, I just found a 125 s delongee on the internet, which is also programmable. It is not clear yet what they both have with buckets, if we compare these stoves. There is also a Daewoo, programmable.

Although, probably, the Delongee and Daewoo are too old models, and they have very little service with them, and the brand is quite responsive.

At first, everything did not work out for me in Panasonic either.