Which bread maker to buy?

Wan, what can I advise? Only Panaslonik ... Perhaps, not the coolest, but at least 2501. It will be sold in any case.

I also look at Panasik 2501. Although ... I also look at 2502.
I have not paid attention to Nikolaev's assortment for a long time, it is useless. Found it. if I order, then from here.

So, I decided on the brand. Choosing a model.

I also look at Panasik 2501. Although ... I also look at 2502.
I have not paid attention to Nikolaev's assortment for a long time, it is useless. Found 🔗 if I order, then from here.
So, I decided on the brand. Choosing a model.

Once decided, then
then Panasonic SD-2501, if only love to stainless steel does not seduce.
There the difference will be in the thimble (dispenser) for yeast, you can do without it.
For the difference, just buy scales and other delights with booze.

Hello dear forum users. There is a problem of choosing the first bread machine. Choose between Kenwood BM450 and Panasonic SD-ZB2502BTS. I would like the maximum functionality and the ability to experiment, but in the first couples for basic use, there is a minimum of user intervention. Is there any useful comparison of the functionality of the models? I would like to know what suits us best. Thank you in advance.
Ps: Kenwood's design is very good. like….

[I would like the maximum functionality]

Hello dear forum users. There is a problem of choosing the first bread machine. Choose between Kenwood BM450 and Panasonic SD-ZB2502BTS. I would like the maximum functionality and the opportunity to experiment, but in the first couples for basic use, there is a minimum of user intervention. Is there any useful comparison of the functionality of the models? I would like to know what suits us best. Thank you in advance.
Ps: Kenwood's design is very good. like….

Of these two models, only one variant meets the stated conditions - Kenwood BM450.
To experiment with Panasonic, you will need to purchase a tambourine.

Of these two models, only one variant meets the stated conditions - Kenwood BM450.
To experiment with Panasonic, you will need to purchase a tambourine.

As I understand it, a yeast dispenser is not particularly needed (correct if I'm wrong)? And not everyone likes equalizing the temperature before kneading. On the other hand, after reading about the noisiness of Kenwood and the seemingly lower reliability, it is very difficult to make a choice.
Panasonic with a tambourine will be able to do the same as kenwood? What is there that one can, but the other cannot?

Maybe you can advise something else, only the case is needed from a stainless steel.

As I understand it, a yeast dispenser is not particularly needed (correct if I'm wrong)? And not everyone likes equalizing the temperature before kneading. On the other hand, after reading about the noisiness of Kenwood and the seemingly lower reliability, it is very difficult to make a choice.
Panasonic with a tambourine will be able to do the same as kenwood? What is there that one can, but the other cannot?

Maybe you can advise something else, only the case is needed from a stainless steel.

Then Bork x800 and 14,000 rubles.
Kenwood BM450 noise is a big exaggeration.
Coffee grinders and combines work much louder, like sometimes a powerful, boiling electric kettle. And nothing, nobody cries.

Then Bork x800 and 14,000 rubles.
Kenwood BM450 noise is a big exaggeration.
Coffee grinders and combines work much louder, like sometimes a powerful, boiling electric kettle. And nothing, nobody cries.

Thanks for the help, but in the end the choice fell on the Samsung. It will be easier for Mother to use it. In addition, there is a SC for it, unlike others.
We are waiting for the first bread.

[Konstant! N,]

Coffee grinders and combines work much louder, like sometimes a powerful, boiling electric kettle. And nothing, nobody cries.

Nobody leaves coffee grinders and combines on a delayed start so that they work at night. For many users, the noisy operation of devices at night is critical.

For example, I am now putting bread on my night baking. I have a second HP, which I used when the Panasonic was "sick". So, if the kitchen was next to the room, I would not put bread in this Yunold at night - sometimes I don’t hear the Panasonic kneading, even when I’m in the kitchen (when the dishwasher is working, for example), but I always heard the Yunold, even from the room.

On the other hand, the required 2502 clicks off the yeast dispenser, as many say, quite loudly. A question for real users: is it possible to block or disable this very dispenser?

Konstant! N, Panasonic can do everything. I would not even call the semi-manual mode "dancing with a tambourine" (here, how do i get alongwhen the built-in program doesn't suit me).

Tell me pliz .. which HP is better and more convenient ... binaton BM2169 or Panasonic sd2500wts

Tell me pliz .. which HP is better and more convenient ... binaton BM2169 or Panasonic sd2500wts

If you have enough money for Panasonic, then take it. My parents have Binaton 2169 - it took a long time to adapt to it. Again, it has more power. And my panasonic bread tastes more to me than binaton's bread.

And my panasonic bread tastes more to me than binaton's bread.

But the last phrase is not an argument! The taste of bread does not depend on the oven, but on the balance of the recipe and the skill of the baker. We know a huge number of examples when garbage is obtained on the vaunted Panasonic, and masterpieces on cheap babies.

[dopleta]

dopletaI'm kind of no stranger to bread baking. But I absolutely do not like the bread from the German Yunold. The same basic recipe in Panasonic and Yunold is two big differences. And these are not third-order effects (as my father likes to call the difference, which is actually only in the brain, but not in reality).

[dopleta]

dopleta, I, it seems, am not new to bread baking. But I absolutely do not like the bread from the German Yunold. The same basic recipe in Panasonic and Yunold is two big differences. And these are not third-order effects (as my father likes to call the difference, which is actually only in the brain, but not in reality).

Agree. Time modes are different for all HP. And the same recipes in different HP give different tastes.

The same basic recipe in Panasonic and Yunold is two big differences.

This just proves my words! Different stoves give different results! I also like my multi-cook bread less than in my other less expensive ovens! And in Panasonic both a friend and a sister have absolutely tasteless bread!

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On the other hand, the required 2502 clicks off the yeast dispenser, as many say, quite loudly. A question for real users: is it possible to block or disable this very dispenser?
...

Of course, it is possible and very easy not to use backup programs for the main programs (raisins), the only difference of which is in adding a function - to open the dispenser.
Or unscrew the cover and remove the wiring going to the dispenser latch-electromagnet.

And in Panasonic both a friend and a sister have absolutely tasteless bread!

Well I do not know!!!!! So that in Panasonic - and even the bread is not tasty !!!!

does anyone else have an opinion about the confrontation between Panasonic and Binaton ???
one opinion is certainly good .. but as they say .....

We have an absolute mismatch of characters with Panasonic. They gave me such a stove - so even the dough did not really knead: a non-kneaded on a non-kneaded. Moreover, it has been repeatedly tested. I tried the full cycle with baking only three times - then I stopped mocking myself and the products, gave the fancy Panas to my relatives, and returned to the old baby binaton 1008. She hasn't let me down for several years in a row.If I hadn’t scratched her bucket as well (“I’ll fix it quickly with a spoon”) .... So for me the question of “confrontation” is very simple: anything but Panasonic. And then my baby already stubbornly wants to retire ...
By the way, all of the above is exclusively IMHO.

[but about the yeast dispenser in model 2502]

Of course, it is possible and very easy not to use backup programs of the main programs (raisins), the only difference is in adding a function - to open the dispenser.
Or unscrew the cover and remove the wiring going to the dispenser latch-electromagnet.

I wasn't asking about a supplement dispenser but about the yeast dispenser in model 2502... As I understand it, it should work EVERY time with a program that involves setting up yeast. The question was, can the YEAST dispenser be turned off? For example, I don't really want to wake up in the middle of the night from the sound of a dispenser being triggered ...

We have an absolute mismatch of characters with Panasonic. They gave me such a stove - so even the dough did not really knead: a non-mix on a non-mix. Moreover, it has been repeatedly tested.

Panasonic and nepromes --- .... if you have it on the farm and almost during daily work in extreme modes of mixing for more than 5 years - I'm sorry, but somehow I can't believe it. Or I have an Angelic character, that at the same time I am friends with two Panas.

[but about the yeast dispenser in model 2502]

I wasn't asking about a supplement dispenser but about the yeast dispenser in model 2502... As I understand it, it should work EVERY time with a program that involves setting up yeast. The question was, can the YEAST dispenser be turned off? For example, I don't really want to wake up in the middle of the night from the sound of a dispenser being triggered ...

Now I read the description, most likely nothing can be done, only if I bite off the wires.
I'm going to read.
Rina, I read, the yeast dispenser always turns on when mixing.

Panasonic and nepromes --- .... if you have it on the farm and almost during daily work in extreme modes of mixing for more than 5 years - I'm sorry, but somehow I can't believe it. Or I have an Angelic character, that at the same time I am friends with two Panas.

Probably here we are all thinking about Panasonic.
So, for many years of almost daily operation, I did not have a single impurity and not a single collapsed roof. I really didn’t do anything ... And the bread seemed to be delicious, no one complained.
And if about the confrontation, then Binaton won for the price, but not much. You can buy Panasonic, for 300 rubles. most expensive (256 and 257 models). And the quality cannot be compared.
I now want to buy a cheap bread maker for kneading dough, but I can't find anything yet.

Panasonic and nepromes --- .... if you have it on the farm and almost during daily work in extreme modes of mixing for more than 5 years - I'm sorry, but somehow I can't believe it. Or I have an Angelic character, that at the same time I am friends with two Panas.

Rather, I have something far from angelic) Maybe there was a stove with a marriage - who knows ... Although the daughter-in-law seemed to be friends with her. If not lying)))
By the way, of all the Panasonic technology, I have lived and worked since 1996, a small cassette tape recorder with a radio that passed through Crimea, Rome and copper pipes)) Everything else is capricious)

Dear forum users, can you tell me, Binatone 2169 has 2 mixers. For some reason, it seems that when kneading dough on dumplings, they will slow down and interfere with each other. The dough is cool. And for me, both my mother and grandmother, when they made the dough, they always taught that you need to knead in one direction so that the dough rises well. And when there are 2 mixers, will this not affect the quality of the dough kneading not only for pies, but also for bread. Maybe it's better, as in Panasik - 1 reliable mixer than 2. Somewhere here I read that someone's bun was divided into 2, as it were, parts and there was a gap in the finished loaf. I would have bought myself a Panasik 2501, I like it very much, but there are not enough financial resources. And the binaton bribes in 2 times cheaper, you can program a double bucket. Confuses only 2 mixers in one bucket and here many wrote that bread in Panas tastes better than Binatonovsky.Who will advise what - to buy already a binaton and not to suffer or to collect money and buy Panas? But this is another three months to suffer.

Dear forum users, can you tell me, Binatone 2169 has 2 mixers. For some reason, it seems that when kneading dough on dumplings, they will slow down and interfere with each other. The dough is cool. And for me, both my mother and grandmother, when they made the dough, they always taught that you need to knead in one direction so that the dough rises well. And when there are 2 mixers, will this not affect the quality of the dough kneading not only for pies, but also for bread. Maybe it's better, as in Panasik - 1 reliable mixer than 2. Somewhere here I read that someone's bun was divided into 2, as it were, parts and there was a gap in the finished loaf. I would have bought myself a Panasik 2501, I like it very much, but there are not enough financial resources. And the binaton bribes in 2 times cheaper, you can program a double bucket. Confuses only 2 mixers in one bucket and here many wrote that bread in Panas tastes better than Binatonovsky. Who will advise what - to buy already a binaton and not to suffer or to collect money and buy Panas? But this is another three months to suffer.

I have been baking Panasonic for a year already. I'm happy that the elephant. A month ago there was a question of buying HP for parents. They didn't want to buy an expensive one, arguing that Orion's neighbors bake and that's it. Two kneading spatulas did not bother me - because somewhere here on the site I read that it is better to knead the dough. Have bought. And then the agony of the development of KP began. For some reason, my panasonic recipes do not fit - the roof of the bread is falling and that's it. We began to reduce the amount of liquid - thereby solving the problem. I tried Binatonovsky bread - it tastes different from mine - it is denser and the crust is thicker (the power of HP 800W is affected) And my parents also say that my bread tastes better. Now I love my HP even more - I also chose it for a long time before buying. We took the cheapest model from Panasonic - without a dispenser and Rye function. Although I often bake rye. And the presence of a dispenser is not a must at all. And the programming mode is also not bad - but everything can be manually configured in Panasonic. For example, I recently learned to bake sourdough bread in my HP. Before, I had nothing to compare with, but now I have. So think for yourself. If I were you, I would buy the 2500 model - it will probably be cheaper than the 2501. Good luck!

Who will advise what - to buy already a binaton and not to suffer or to collect money and buy Panas? But this is another three months to suffer.

Why suffer? Here is not much more expensive than Panasonka Binaton. You can take any. Even if there is no Rye, then you can safely bake without it.

You still sell old models in Russia, but here you won't find them with fire in the afternoon. You can take the 256 model - it already has a bucket with a new coating.

It seems that the old coating is not bad either. My bucket is still very good, only one mixer was worn off, but I replaced it with a rye one. It's good that there are 2 stirrers.

[Mona1]

Mona1, forgive me so that you can be advised something real, it would be good to know where you live (fill in your profile), because the assortment is quite different in different countries and regions, and also at least roughly how much you expect.

You still sell old models in Russia, but here you won't find them with fire in the afternoon. You can take the 256 model - it already has a bucket with a new coating.

I am from Ukraine, Donetsk. Thank you very much for your help. I am also inclined internally to Panasonic, and if we take it already, then 2501. I found it for 1622 UAH, that is, 200 bucks. From 2500 more expensive by 220 hryvnia, but this is not critical. And 2502, I think, is useless. Stainless steel does not warm me, and a yeast dispenser is not so necessary. Especially if you take into account that I will practically not use dry yeast. I want pressed, and in the future I want to learn from experienced members of the forum and learn how to bake bread with sourdough.
By the way, I have a yogurt maker at home and I make yoghurt from starter cultures, which I buy at the Kiev Institute of Milk and Meat. Maybe I can somehow use these leavens. There are a lot of different useful bacil.

[Rina]

Now I read the description, most likely nothing can be done, only if you gnaw off the wires.
I'm going to read.
Rina, I read, the yeast dispenser always turns on when mixing.

That is, Panas 2502 is undesirable for people who sleep lightly, and the stove needs to work at night.

Mona1, good correct approach. On pressed yeast in a bread maker, bread is baked very simply, then 2502 is all the more useless. By the way, about starters. Dairy products are not those that are bread. But fermented milk products go great in bread. I am now disposing of the unsuccessful fermented baked milk (I overheated the already fermented one, it "collapsed") - I replace it with half of the water in the bread. So today I received compliments from my children that the bread is sooooooo delicious. My husband still thinks that I began to put a lot of muffins in bread, and this is just the smell of ryazhenka (baked milk) and a little more sugar than usual.

[Donetsk topic]

iiiiiiiii, Tanyusha, you take a look at the regional Donetsk topic, then you will definitely be stuck here for a long time

Take a serious stove right away.

Which one will we recommend?
I have three brands for advice or 5 models.

Hello!
I also decided to join the lovers of homemade bread. The husband is a lover of fresh soft bread, so he wanted HP.
After reading various forums and going to different stores for consultations, I came to the conclusion that porridge and brains in my head are starting to jam.
Please help with the choice. As I understand it, you need to buy serious equipment right away.
So far, only these models are spinning in my head:
Panasonic SD-ZB2502
Kenwood BM450
Kenwood BM900
Moulinex OW6002 about baguettes already read that this is a toy

Thank you.

Hello!
Please help with the choice.
Panasonic SD-ZB2502
Kenwood BM450
Kenwood BM900
Moulinex OW6002 about baguettes already read that this is a toy

HELLO Lena!
I don't know much about other models, but I advise you not to mess with Moulinex OW6002. It is on two mixers, if the dough rate is not set on a large loaf, then the bun dangles on one mixer, sometimes migrating to the next one, and hangs on the other like something in an ice hole. I would forgive her for that if the result was pleasing. A loaf of 750 g of flour is difficult to master for a family of 4 people, especially if the bread is not 100% successful. My Moulinex of the previous model at number 5 starts in a plastic case, lies on the mezzanine, it is difficult to see the number because it is too high. Not broken, namely tired in a short time - some kind of stupid. It has fewer programs than OW6002, but also two-tone and with baguettes. I could turn my dissatisfaction with the results to myself, but before that I had been using Hitachi HBE303 for a very long time - 10 years, I think. AND EVERYTHING AND ALWAYS was great. My Hitachi was with convection. There are no such people already. Now plowing with might and main Panasonic 257, too, ALL EXCELLENT. Panasonic SD-ZB2502 is slightly richer in functionality than 257, the shape of the body is different, but the bucket is similarly very reliable. Of the above models, Moulinex is the only stove that annoyed in many ways. I even thought that my hands were crooked. Maybe, if it were the first stove, and there would be nothing to compare with, I would not have guessed what could be better. But, in addition to my experience, I could rely on the experience of a friend who has a relatively cheap LG and even better baked my expensive Moulinex-ik. At Moulinex, the letters and numbers with programs from the face were quickly erased. If I'm not mistaken, they were issued as a separate sticker in two versions (English and Russian - stick what you want), like now in OW6002 - I don't know, maybe they have already been applied in some other way. Bread in Moulinex often turned out to be too heavy (in terms of baking), in comparison with Hitachi HB-E303 and Panasonic 257 it is much worse. Of all the models I know, the bucket is the one I like the most about Panasonic.In Moulinex-ike, the bucket was weak, relatively thin and rattling with a not very reliable coating, now it can be better. You already know everything about baguettes. But from all that I have undergone with Moulinex, memories of this function are more pleasant: baguettes were obtained almost always, although they could have been quite browned if they were rich. A lot of personal participation in the process was required, and the result of 4 baguettes per process was rather modest. There is a lot of time for cooking, but little for chewing.
Panasonic, in my opinion, forgives a baker's mistakes easier. A smart car, although expensive and not the most sophisticated (no programming). The total time of each program is displayed correctly, although the processes inside almost every program follow their own laws (with temperature equalization).
On account of Moulinex OW6002, I can be biased, because I did not use this particular model, but an earlier one, but something tells me that the content has changed little ... I would not take more risks.
From the proposed models I would choose Panasonic SD-ZB2502. Well, I believe him, and that's it!
YOU DECIDE! GOOD CHOICE! DELICIOUS FRAGRANT AND BEAUTIFUL BREADS!

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Panasonic SD-ZB2502
Kenwood BM450
Kenwood BM900
Moulinex OW6002 about baguettes already read that this is a toy

There is little choice from the listed -
Panasonic SD-ZB2502
Kenwood BM450
Throw a coin or ask the audience for help!

YOU DECIDE! GOOD CHOICE! DELICIOUS FRAGRANT AND BEAUTIFUL BREADS!

Thank you very much for your review of Moulinex!

Throw a coin or ask the audience for help!

You wrote that you have three brands in candidates for the council or 5 models. If it's not a secret, please voice them.

Thank you.

Good afternoon everyone!
It happened that our mother-in-law's Panasonic sd-206 broke down ... it probably makes no sense to repair it, we are picking up a new bread maker for her, I'm leaning again towards Panasonic, but just which one to choose?
The mother-in-law usually used it for making yeast dough for spikes and baking bread, bread, as a rule, is made from several varieties of flour, they do not eat pure white, they bake only for grandchildren :)
Wouldn't it be nice if the old bucket fits the new one, or is this model so old that the buckets have already been changed?
Heavily fancy and expensive is also not needed.
Please advise which one to take?

The buckets don't fit, take the Panasonic SD-2501 :) https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=126137.0

Oh, what a pity, there is a bucket, ideally, despite the fact that she is already 5 or 6 years old, and actively used ... Thank you, I'll go to order !!!

So, if the buckets don't fit, maybe then it makes sense to take not a Panasonic, but something else?

by buckets https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=144607.0

[abashka]

abashka What's broken in HP?

According to the mother-in-law, the kneading does not work on the yeast dough program and the dough is not suitable. And for some reason everything is ok on the pizza program.
Is the control unit buggy? I don't know if it makes sense to take her to the repair ...

: pardon: I don’t know what’s the matter, I would solder the controller board to begin with and change the electrolytes on it, look for a TV master, roll him a box of beer or promise him some money, I think everything will be about. to.

There is little choice from the listed -
Panasonic SD-ZB2502
Kenwood BM450
Throw a coin or ask the audience for help!

I went to investigate in MediaMarket. The seller immediately said that it was necessary to buy a Panasonic SD-ZB2502, did not even ask how much money I was allocating for this and in general what I wanted. Dissuaded from Kenwood BM450. She said that the dispenser is too low, it sticks out inward and when the bread rises completely, it sticks (this is with the largest loaf). So take Panasonic and don't think about anything! About HB with two shoulder blades, she said no and don't think !!! I also asked about Bork (at the chief accountant Bork 800 and happy) also said no.
And Kenwood is somehow prettier to me than a Panasonic and he has 5 extras. independent modes.
And I also liked the DeLonghi EOB 2071 Mini-Oven-Bread Maker (a very good thing for giving)

Please help to understand further. Maybe it's not just Panasonic 2502 and Kenwood 450 worth looking at?

Thank you.

[LenaM]

LenaM Bork would definitely not have taken it, Kenwood would have thought that DeLonghi EOB 2071 would arrive one of these days, I'll try it out later. And so Panasonic, if the budget is Alaska2600

[LenaM]

LenaM Bork would definitely not have taken it, Kenwood would have thought DeLonghi EOB 2071 will arrive one of these days, I'll try it out later. And so Panasonic, if the budget is Alaska2600

There is no budget. After reading a little here, I realized that I must take a serious one right away. Kenwood is cute, stainless steel + glass ... Panasonic plastic cover, they say that it smells .... And in general I'm all in doubt ..... I don't know what I want.
I am very interested in what candidates he can offer Vanya28... He just wrote to someone about it above, but he never finished it.

Panasonic cover is plastic, they say that it smells .... And in general, I'm all in doubt ..... I don't know what I want.

Only Chinese noname stinks of plastic, Panasonic does not smell of anything, if there are instances, it takes a couple of cycles of use. Kenwood's bucket is weak, usually leaks towards the end of the warranty

Only Chinese noname stinks of plastic, Panasonic does not smell of anything, if there are instances it takes a couple of cycles of use. Kenwood's bucket is weak, usually leaks towards the end of the warranty

I also read that Kenwood's glass is breaking ...

I also read that Kenwood's glass is breaking ...

it is a great rarity, basically, as Sasha wrote, the bucket flows.