Choosing a gas stove

Girls, my husband at work had such a case not so long ago. We sold such sets of dark glass - cups, saucers and a sugar bowl without a lid. And there someone in the department had such a cup. This man stood on the windowsill. Empty. No one came up to her or touched her. There was nothing on it. In general, it went bang and it shattered into smithereens into hundreds of fragments. By her own. There are several people in the room. Everyone was shocked, nobody got hit. The husband says, if he hadn't seen it himself, he would not have believed that this was possible. Someone said that the Chinese somehow made the glass of poor quality, there was some kind of internal tension in it, or something. Then there were a lot of such sets, and I have one at home. Here's a picture - just like such a cup scattered. Mine are still in the cupboard, it's a pity to throw it away, a gift, but I don't risk touching and drinking from them:

That's right, it happens, my daughter has a set of salad bowls made of thick glass, and so one at night stood on the table in the kitchen and exploded ... Now she doesn't use them plastic bought ...

The oven, yes, I managed to open it by about a third. I will not say anything, the masters will come and see. There is still a guarantee and upon purchase we entered into an insurance contract until 2016. The condition - a strong headache and a tiny piece of glass was scratched out of the skin, there are small scratches, but they do not bleed. I grease my face and hands with baby cream "Eared Nanny".
Thank you all for your sympathy! It would be much more difficult to worry alone.

The oven, yes, I managed to open it by about a third. I will not say anything, the masters will come and see. There is still a guarantee and upon purchase we entered into an insurance contract until 2016. The condition - a strong headache and a tiny piece of glass was scratched out of the skin, there are small scratches, but they do not bleed. I lubricate my face and hands with baby cream "Eared Nanny".
Thank you all for your sympathy! It would be much more difficult to worry alone.

And all these scratches and pieces of glass in the skin against the background of the torn door would be nice to shoot at least on video, otherwise prove to them, while they come, everything will heal, and in order to get insurance, they need some proof. And video is better than a photo, it seems that even in the courts, video materials are accepted as evidence, but there is no photo, since it may be montage or photoshop.

Olya, when you looked into the oven, as I understand it, you opened the door, since the outer glass stood firm. I’m thinking, maybe your hands were wet and somehow by chance a drop of cold water could drip from your hand onto the glass. Then this could easily happen because of this.

My daughter just stopped by. She also spoke about water ingress.

Interestingly, and this is how the glass explodes only near gas ovens? I think that theoretically this should also happen with electric ovens. The question is "how much gas can affect such incidents?. Is there any statistics? The daughter has a modern kitchen set in the kitchen, and in the middle is a Soviet gas stove" Leningradka ". The stove does an excellent job. But the look is soviet. an old stove for a new one, even a new electric one.

Interestingly, and this is how the glass explodes only near gas ovens? I think that theoretically this should also happen with electric ovens. The question is "how much gas can influence such incidents?"Are there any statistics? My daughter has a modern kitchen set in her kitchen, and in the middle is a Soviet gas stove "Leningradka". The stove does its job perfectly. But the view is soviet. My daughter flatly refuses to change her old stove to a new one. Even a new electric one.

Creamy, that's what I found on the internet. Glasses have a tendency to explode. Window panes explode. Automobile glasses (rear, windshield) often explode! There was information that the windshield snapped and cracked in the landing plane! In microwave ovens and ovens. The reasons may vary. Incorrect technologies in the manufacture of glasses themselves (under-hardening, over-hardening; violation of the recipe for the components; there is a term, as for metal, "glass fatigue"). Violation of the operation of glass and glass products (for example, pressure or torsion stress in the holding structure: in window frames, oven frame, microwave oven, cabinet doors; misuse of a certain type of glass ...). Because of these reasons, glasses explode both at rest and under load (temperature, pressure, etc.).

Because of these reasons, glasses explode both at rest and under load (temperature, pressure, etc.).

I had to let off steam from the oven, 10 minutes had passed since the beginning of baking. The memory was completely lost. Thank Vilapo

Nevertheless, I am inclined to think that there was a defect in the glass. Perhaps, when the door was opened, the internal tension of the glass increased, maybe the frame somehow went awry.
As for water .. Well, I don’t know, I humidify both the gas and electric oven from the spray bottle during baking. I try, of course, so that drops do not fall on the glass, but they do. Water is not looking, of course, but the fact that the temperature difference is at least 100 degrees is unambiguous. I think that high-quality oven glass should withstand such changes.

Yes, the glass must withstand splashing water. And my inner glass also burst in the old Ardo after 8 years of use. Mom baked something in the oven (in a sealed container), opened it, checked something, closed it - and an explosion! It's good that I closed the door, otherwise I would have received a bunch of gangster bullets. Then my husband ordered glass at a high price from a company dealing with glass in general and tempered glass in particular. And since they don't do one thing, I got 2 (or 3, I don't remember anymore).

Girls, you can't leave it like that - you need to turn to the rights of buyers.

You need to contact the seller with a written claim (not in the SC!).
If the stove is completely gas (NOT electric and Not combined), you can demand a refund. It is possible, of course, both repair and replacement, but the term for a refund is the least - 10 days. The seller is obliged to carry out a quality check, and in the event of a dispute about the reasons for the defect, an examination. Quality control is a free procedure, examination is at the expense of the seller, as well as delivery.
If the examination establishes that the reason for the deficiency is a violation of the operating rules, the seller will have to reimburse the costs of examination and transportation.

[WIKI]

Thank you, WIKI, for info, just now I google similar situations and their solutions.
In general, in such cases it is necessary to call an ambulance. The medical staff would describe in detail the extent of the damage and indicate the cause. With such a certificate on hand, it is much easier to make claims. And maybe the "human" factor would play an important role.
But I realized one thing - if the seller does not want to admit the innocence of the injured buyer, then he will never admit it - neither for good, nor through the courts. Everything will be brilliantly dumped on a small fad of a warranty obligation - "violation of operating conditions".

Nothing like this! Even if the examination carried out is not in your favor, but you doubt its professionalism or honesty (the seller will pay for it), you can sue and ask the court to hold a trial.
How to get away from pain and shock (I sympathize with you sincerely), carefully read the instructions - are there any specific warnings about use that you violated?
If there is nothing like that, fight for your rights.

Well ... and I'll add that most consumer claims are resolved in favor of consumers.

[Article 8. The consumer's right to information about the manufacturer (performer, seller) and about goods (works, services)]

If you bought in the Russian Federation, then the seller got ...
Article 8. The consumer's right to information about the manufacturer (performer, seller) and about goods (works, services)

1. The consumer has the right to demand the provision of necessary and reliable information about the manufacturer (performer, seller), his mode of operation and the goods (works, services) sold by him.

2. The information specified in clause 1 of this article is brought to the attention of consumers in a visual and accessible form when concluding purchase and sale contracts and contracts for the performance of work (provision of services) by methods adopted in certain areas of customer service, in Russian, and additionally, at the discretion of the manufacturer (performer, seller), in the state languages ​​of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and the native languages ​​of the peoples of the Russian Federation.

Article 12. Responsibility of the manufacturer (performer, seller) for inappropriate information about the product (work, service), about the manufacturer (performer, seller)

1. If the consumer is not given the opportunity to immediately receive information about the product (work, service) when concluding the contract, he has the right to demand from the seller (executor) compensation for losses caused by unreasonable evasion of the contract, and if the contract is concluded, within a reasonable time to refuse it performance and demand the return of the amount paid for the goods and compensation for other losses.
(as amended by Federal Law of 21.12.2004 N 171-FZ)
In case of refusal to fulfill the contract, the consumer is obliged to return the goods (the result of work, services, if possible by their nature) to the seller (performer).

2. The seller (performer), who has not provided the buyer with complete and reliable information about the product (work, service), shall be liable under paragraphs 1-4 of Article 18 or paragraph 1 of Article 29 of this Law for defects in the goods (work, service) that have arisen after its transfer to the consumer due to the lack of such information.

There was a master. Most likely, the new glass will be under warranty. It is very difficult to prove that the user is guilty. The consumer's fault is a blow to something. In this case, the glass does not crumble into small squares, and part of the glass remains in the grooves of the oven. And the shards will be sharp spears. Shards do not cut. That is why I am whole.

There was a master. Most likely, the new glass will be under warranty. It is very difficult to prove that the user is guilty. The consumer's fault is a blow to something. In this case, the glass does not crumble into small squares, and part of the glass remains in the grooves of the oven. And the shards will be sharp spears. Shards do not cut. That is why I am whole.

All is well that ends well. And the glass will be replaced, and the scratches on the body will heal, but the psychological trauma remains, and it's even worse. There remains one thing - to hope that the projectile does not hit the same funnel twice. Don't worry, everything will be fine now.

I have read and seen enough. I will:
Protect glass from impact, from falling of cold water drops
When irrigating from a spray bottle, open the door completely, cover the glass with a thick towel (I saw the video)
Pour boiling water into the spray bottle so that there is no big difference in temperatures
Do not lower your head when opening the door
Baking during the day, not at night
It is imperative to have instructions in Russian so that they don't tell me

That's how many times I saw the video with Peter and only now noticed that he was covering the glass with a towel.

Good day to all.
I choose between two Hephaestus - 6100-4C and 6100-4CH2. The problem is that the actual choice comes down to the question - stainless steel or enamel
I read about different plates with stainless steel, read reviews on the market and realized that each manufacturer has its own stainless steel - someone washes normally and there are no traces, and someone has continuous torment with rubbing off fingerprints and washing what has fallen and spilled ...
Could this be a matter of attitude? It is not difficult for someone to wipe it right after cooking, but someone accumulates dirt for a week, and then laments that they had to scrub it for 3 hours and had to spend the whole weekend?

In our city, you can only watch the 6100-4 stove live, it is not in stainless steel. I will order via the Internet and therefore I am interested - what kind of stainless steel is it from Hephaestus?

If there are Hephaestus owners with stainless steel slabs - respond!

Good day to all.
I choose between two Hephaestus - 6100-4C and 6100-4CH2. The problem is that the actual choice comes down to the question - stainless steel or enamel
I read about different plates with stainless steel, read reviews on the market and realized that each manufacturer has its own stainless steel - someone washes normally and there are no traces, and someone has continuous torment with rubbing off fingerprints and washing what has fallen and spilled ...
Could this be a matter of attitude? It is not difficult for someone to wipe it right after cooking, but someone accumulates dirt for a week, and then laments that they had to scrub it for 3 hours and had to spend the whole weekend?

In our city, you can only watch the 6100-4 stove live, it is not in stainless steel. I will order via the Internet and therefore I am interested - what kind of stainless steel is it from Hephaestus?

If there are Hephaestus owners with stainless steel slabs - respond!

Well, as a hostess I will say this. If you take care of the stove and wipe even fingerprints from it, then take a stainless steel, and if your wife or mother, then enamel. The woman already has a lot of work to do in the kitchen. My pepper grinder is stainless, God forbid, even with dry hands. That's it, the prints are ready.

And I prefer stainless steel. I have Ardo for 11 years, as good as new. Microfiber shake, and no trace

Good day to all.
I choose between two Hephaestus - 6100-4C and 6100-4CH2. The problem is that the actual choice comes down to the question - stainless steel or enamel
I read about different plates with stainless steel, read reviews on the market and realized that each manufacturer has its own stainless steel - someone washes normally and there are no traces, and someone has continuous torment with rubbing off fingerprints and washing what has fallen and spilled ...
Could this be a matter of attitude? It is not difficult for someone to wipe it right after cooking, but someone accumulates dirt for a week, and then laments that they had to scrub it for 3 hours and had to spend the whole weekend?

In our city, you can only watch the 6100-4 stove live, it is not in stainless steel. I will order via the Internet and therefore I am interested - what kind of stainless steel is it from Hephaestus?

If there are Hephaestus owners with stainless steel slabs - respond!

I have two stoves, one enameled Hephaestus, and for the summer residence I bought a stainless steel, it is true not Hephaestus, as I regretted it, but the experience gained now allows me to calmly look at beautiful brand new stainless steel kitchen devices: nea: once again I will not go for this.

I do not have Hephaestus, but stainless steel. I wish it was enamel. It takes a long time to leave. You must wipe every drop dry and dry. The side surfaces are simply coated with a "stainless steel" paint. Besides, enamel is much cheaper.

[Mona1, LYUCHA, Vilapo, Olga from Voronezh]

Mona1, LYUCHA, Vilapo, Olga from Voronezh
Many thanks for the answers.
As I understand it, the majority of votes AGAINST beautiful stainless steel and FOR the usual enamel.
It turns out that the stainless steel is doing well with its appearance, but from a practical point of view, everything is bad.
I found a stainless steel gas stove from my friends ... they confirm that it is necessary constantly clean scrubbing (you can't clean it - in the sense of scrubbing) and the prints have to be washed all over the stove (if you touch anything - you need to take a rag and wash).
But they say - You should have seen how it looks in the kitchen!

Interestingly - is the rind on household stoves and in public catering the same? It seems like you can't use anything other than stainless steel ...
Although they cook and clean there all the time ...

ABOUT! It turns out there are gas stoves with a tempered glass hob - for example, Hansa FCGX58003050 ... is it more convenient than enamel?
I have an electric glass-ceramic ... but it's also not tempered glass ... go on glossy everything is even worse than on stainless steel (it's even matte) ...

And what did you like this Hephaestus so much? For the price of well-known brands. Our fancy Hephaestus model costs $ 500, and I bought Bosch for $ 540
My friend had a new Hephaestus stove, she praised it very much all the time. And then after the renovation I bought new furniture and needed a built-in stove, for a very long time I did not want to part with my Hephaestus. As a result, I bought some HOTPOINT / ARISTON model - I am very happy, much higher in the class of Hephaestus, she had the opportunity to compare. And the result of the comparison is not in favor of Hephaestus.

We are also faced with the choice of a gas stove, we have a two-burner at the moment. It is enough, but after the renovation we will change the kitchen (also in search) and I want a built-in stove. It is necessary that the stove is gas, and the oven is electric. I have a question: is it possible to use a gas panel and el. oven or should I buy a stove right away? If it were possible separately, then I think two gas burners would be enough, but I want a full-sized oven. Maybe someone will tell you if I wrote clearly what I want.

Of course, you can choose whichever suits you best. According to the parameters you need to buy email. oven, and separately 2comfor gas. hob, many do it. I have seen such 2-burner gas panels on sale. I have a stove: gas top, electric oven.

[Flaksia]

Flaksia, thank you, forgive me for the stupid questions, but I'll also ask: if you buy a stove, can you put it under one countertop in the kitchen?

Enamel is not much cheaper than stainless steel, at least when I bought it, the price difference was not important for me. BUT! Even in the store, the stainless steel plate was all "in the fingers." I myself would have wiped it off, but besides me, there is still a husband. As she imagined how the stove would look after it was cooked, she immediately turned her gaze to the white one. I bought it.
By the way, the enamel from different manufacturers is also different. Nothing stuck to the old (Indesite) at all, and the new (Electrolux) is washed a little worse. I immediately noticed the difference. I don’t know why.
An electric oven is just happiness for housewives who bake a lot and often. I would have known about this before, I would never have suffered for so many years with a gas oven!

[Flaksia]

Flaksia, thank you, forgive me for the stupid questions, but I'll also ask: if you buy a stove, can you put it under one countertop in the kitchen?

I do not understand the question well...
Probably so ... as I understood. It is possible to place 2 comfy units on the table top. gas. panel, and already under the countertop of the required size email. oven.

And what did you like this Hephaestus so much?

All inclusive. Competitors have the same for 25tr and above, but here 16tr.
I saw 6100-03 live and could compare with others - outwardly everything is the same. The quality is at the height of analogs ... everything opens well, turns, looks

Here I found an analogue of Gorenje GI 62396 DW - the same thing, plus retractable holders for the anti-virus in the oven. of the minuses, the price is 24tr versus 16tr

Here I found an analogue of Gorenje GI 62396 DW - the same thing, plus retractable holders for the anti-virus in the oven. of the minuses, the price is 24tr versus 16tr

If This Gas Burning. oven, don't even take it for free. I myself am suffering. And it's a pity to throw it out, it's relatively new and there is no one to give it to, all the friends have.

If This Gas Burning. oven, don't even take it for free.

Actually - Yes - with gas oven and gas grill.
I choose this one - full gas, full auto-ignition, full gas control ... in general, everything is in full

Take a combined stove-hob-gas with auto-ignition and gas control, and only an electric oven with convection. And you will be happy.

Actually - Yes - with gas oven and gas grill.
I choose this one - full gas, full auto-ignition, full gas control ... in general, everything is in full

This is all in my stove (I'm talking about Hephaestus), everything works fine, but the oven is gas, I fought with it, fought it or it was with me. As a result, I bought a freestanding electric oven and I finally bake with great pleasure. no problem. They all advise you correctly, take the top gas, the bottom electric

In connection with the complete redevelopment of the house and kitchen, and I have 2 of them (a house for two families), I choose a gas stove.
Stopped at GEFEST 1500 K32, what do you think is a worthwhile choice? Frightens that it is all glass.
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Actually - Yes - with gas oven and gas grill.
I choose this one - full gas, full auto-ignition, full gas control ... in general, everything is in full

Yes, I have the same one, with a gas grill on top. There are the same, but with an electric oven. At my friend's. She will not be overjoyed. And I decided to save some money. I think the gas is free, why am I going to waste electricity here. And I read that Gorene gas ovens have such a problem (yes, I think, and not only Gorene). But she did not listen to her friend and bought a miracle Yuda. The bottom burns at any height, while the top is eerie white. I suffered for a year, but now the problem was solved with the help of an unglazed clay tray under a large flower pot. A clay pancake with a diameter of 34 cm, a thickness of about 1 cm. I put it on the lower grate and now I don’t know grief. There is a topic on the forum about baking stones. They are sold, but very expensive, and the flower pallet is cheap. Who lays ceramic unglazed tiles, to whom the silicone mat helps (only it does not withstand above 230-240 degrees)
By the way, I know that there is one Gorene oven, which comes with a pizza stone. This is such a stone. But I don't remember whether it was a stove or just an oven. Type in a search engine if interested Oven Burning stone for pizza and take a look. This Gorenievsky stone is sold separately, complete with a spatula for bread, but so expensive that it is easier to use a tray for flowers or tiles, the same clay.

I have GEFEST 1500 K32 2.5 years old. I saw it in the store and fell in love ... The fact that it is all made of glass, so far I see only advantages: it is very easy to clean! Perhaps, I will not be entirely objective (I used to "communicate" only with old Soviet stoves), but, despite minor flaws, I was not disappointed in my beauty!
Pros: The oven ignites quickly (3-4 seconds), oven thermostat, full electric ignition, convenient drawer; bakes well (for gas), does not burn from below, and from above you can bring beauty with the help of a grill; cast-iron grates, do not bend, and I also like to move pots; Well, purely economically, I use it often, I pay a penny.
Cons: fur. timer-flew after 7 months. active use, changed under warranty, now I have started to "cheat" again - therefore, if in principle, it is better 6100-04, electronic with shutdown; after a year of operation, the cast-iron grate cracked (they did not drop it, but mine was in the PMM) - it does not interfere, but it is unpleasant; grilled chicken takes almost 2 hours (maybe wrong settings or gas like that ...), but! very soft, juicy and beautiful; but still, if there is an opportunity (the wiring did not allow us), I would recommend the 1502 model with an electric oven, or the 1500 K33 - there is full Gas control.
And as for the brand, many friends of GEFEST (though simpler and smaller), are quite satisfied with the price-quality ratio!

[Olchik]

Olchik
1500 K32 is beauty ...
I looked at 1500 K33, but we do not sell them, and in online stores that carry them for a reasonable price, they are not
I stopped at 6100-04C, something the owners of the stainless steel somehow weakly convince me that it is convenient and everything is great ... although, in theory, the stainless steel should be more technological than enamel, in fact it looks like this is not so ...

DenRassk
I fully support it. If I took it now, I would take 6100-04C - the timer with shutdown tempts me very much (and I had to buy a multicooker just in case) ... Well, outwardly nice, familiar classic.

DenRassk
I fully support it. If I took it now, I would take 6100-04C

And I was defeated today by the owners of stainless steel plates ... they tell how great it is - a stainless steel plate ...
Maybe it's really not that bad?
Or are lured in order to suffer more than one

And I was defeated today by the owners of stainless steel plates ... they tell how great it is - a stainless steel plate ...
Maybe it's really not that bad?
Or are lured in order to suffer more than one

And you buy to check, and then you will bother us, so that more than one will suffer.

I am curious to read this thread. This is so interesting! Well, in the sense that it is not interesting which stove should be chosen. Here everything has been known for a long time, and therefore boring. Everyone knows that the hob should be auto-ignited and gas-controlled, and an electric oven with a timer, with convection is better. It is interesting to observe something else, or, as psychologists say, "the struggle of motives." The electric one bakes well and shoots well on the meter, and the gas one is very cheap to operate. And examples are given - "it is both beautiful (the stove, of course), and modern. Well, is it really such a beautiful and modern imported stove with a gas oven, it doesn't matter if the oven? Well, it's so beautiful, ah! And this argument is often decisive. the benefit of one of the amphibian species ... And therefore it is interesting to observe the struggle of motives, in whose favor they will make a choice ...

Allow me, and I will speak about the Hephaestus slab. I have 6100-03 CH2, for almost a year now, I have been using the oven for an average of 4 hours a day, sometimes even 6. I am in love with my stove. The first week I cried, somehow we could not find a common language with her, but then .. I don’t need another stove. Due to the fact that the oven is gas, I have no worries that oh suddenly the light will be turned off and everything is gone (the gas is still not shut off, Thank God). The dimensions also influenced the final choice, I needed a plate at least 60 cm wide. When I bought the question was to take 03 or 04, but after talking with a representative of the service center, we came to the conclusion that paying money for a timer, which can easily fly at the first voltage drop, is not very worthwhile, and buying a separate UPS for the stove is also expensive. Yes, and I use my simple timer purely as a clock - the eggs boil, I looked, timed the time and go on to work. At the expense of the functionality of the stainless steel itself - it suits me more than the previous enameled one. I wash the stove more often when the oven is running, it's more convenient, a little soapy solution on a cloth and everything was perfectly washed and cleaned.

["arta"]

And I was defeated today by the owners of stainless steel plates ... they tell how great it is - a stainless steel plate ...
Maybe it's really not that bad?
Or are lured in order to suffer more than one

I would greatly benefit from reading the advice of those who have stainless steel and who are satisfied with this circumstance, about their experience of keeping the stove clean. Before that, all my life I had been covered with enamel. Once you've bought it, you have to learn and adapt. I want to be 100% satisfied.
Teach her to take care of her not only efficiently, but also quickly! You are welcome! After my husband enters the kitchen, his hair stands on end, even if on guard at the door, stand for days ...
"arta", thanks for the advice, but tell me, right after the purchase I tried to wash the stove in this way. So I and the previous soaps, enameled. But I got cloudy stains after drying, I had to wash it off for a long time, tediously and then polish. What is your soap?

["arta"]

"arta", thanks for the advice, but tell me, right after the purchase I tried to wash the stove in this way. So I and the previous soaps, enameled. But after drying, cloudy stains appeared, I had to wash it off for a long time, tediously and then polish. What is your soap?

I tried all sorts of galas - it was also cloudy, but as I switched to the usual economic, the holiday came.

Olga from Voronezh, now there are products for washing plates and stainless steel products. You clean, polish, it is beautiful until you fit

Stainless steel can be very different - super shiny, just shiny, semi-matte, matte. You will take a closer look in supermarkets to the trays at the checkout counters, where, after reading the barcode, the cashier drops the goods you typed. There it is matte stainless steel of a special finish and there are no traces on it.

And I want to say about the timer. My Burning has a mechanical timer. Well, I really wanted him to be. There was a model without a timer, a little cheaper. So no, not that. As a result, for two years I have never used it. When turned on, it emits such a disgusting crackle until the end of the set time that it is simply impossible to be nearby at this time in the kitchen. It is easier to turn on the alarm clock on a mobile phone or there are separately sold timers.
And if anyone wants such a timer to be in the stove, then I would advise in the store before buying to ask the manager to turn it around and show how it works. Of course, this applies to mechanical, electronic, I think, does not crack.

I chose for a long time, in the end I chose the beautiful Ardo. It should be delivered this week, I look forward to it, I really hope that it will not disappoint me.

[Margi]

I only recently examined such plates in the store. I also thought how happy people are buying them, which means they have a large family and the kitchen area allows you to put a meter-long stove. I have a lot of four burners, if there was a need to change the kitchen furniture, I would buy a 2-burner hob and a standard oven. And so I figured, the furniture is only four years old, dear and will have to change a lot, buy a countertop, dock it and decided not to bother.

Margit, I wish you were happy with the purchase. We are waiting for reviews about your beauty