Cooking utensils (pots, pans, lids for them)

Enlighten please, is it possible to fry in a Gourmet frying pan without oil, as in the Zepter, for example?

[mr.Catlery]

And what is unusual about such a Gourmet frying pan? The embossed bottom or grill bottom on stainless steel pans has been used for a very long time.

Yes, I thought about that too.
mr.Catlery, but can you explain what is the principle of frying on a relief surface? Why exactly a raised bottom?

[mr.Catlery]

And what is unusual about such a Gourmet frying pan? The embossed bottom or grill bottom on stainless steel pans has been used for a very long time.

I have a separate grill pan. The relief pattern in the Gourmet frying pan is different. It was this unusualness that she had in mind. In general, waiting for your already famous wonderful frying pans to appear on sale. I also want to thank you, mr.Catlery, for a detailed educational program in this topic!

Enlighten please, is it possible to fry in a Gourmet frying pan without oil, as in the Zepter, for example?

To fry without oil is to drive a car without gasoline. Try to fry potatoes without oil on the Zepter. Well, a piece of bacon can be fried on anything. The Gourmet frying pan (as well as other stainless pans) differ only in the thickness of the aluminum TRS and even then not much and not fundamentally. What wall thickness for the frying pan does not matter, because it is the bottom that works. The main disadvantage of stainless steel. the frying pans are too smooth. This causes the product to stick and then burn. Grilling allows you to reduce the contact area of ​​the product with a heated surface and, accordingly, the likelihood of sticking. On a plane, the product sticks much more. Now on stainless steel. frying pans are mainly used for macro grills (in the form of undulating protrusions). On pans of the Magnolia Kukhar series, now the bottom is not with protrusions (mini grill), but with shallow grooves, and such a bottom works normally for a wider range of products. Well, the micro grill allows you to fry on stainless steel. even pancakes. In order to fry normally, certain conditions of the frying process must be observed. The bottom surface of the pan should be evenly heated, oiled (covered with an oil film) and the temperature should be stable and not reach the smoking temperature of the oil. The shape and micro-relief of the surface must ensure the stability of the oil film during the entire frying process. In this case, the product will come into contact with the lubricating film, and not with the metal surface, and therefore will not stick, and therefore will not burn. It's simple enough, in fact

[mr.Catlery]

And I intuitively felt that it was better to fry on a microgrill. It turns out that a small part of the product lies on the ledges, where it is fried, and the other part - over the recesses, where it takes heat, that is, it is baked. mr.Catlery, is my reasoning correct?

I cook in the Zepter. I cook vegetables exactly as described above. and I do not drive a car without oil or gasoline, although I fry without oil. excellent meat comes out. with a crust. you just need to learn and know - when to put, when to remove from the fire. they are very heat-intensive and they must be heated to a certain level and then reduced, otherwise you will dry out or burn a piece. very convenient dishes in fact.

[mr.Catlery]

And I intuitively felt that it was better to fry on a microgrill. It turns out that a small part of the product lies on the ledges, where it is fried, and the other part - over the recesses, where it takes heat, that is, it is baked. mr.Catlery, is my reasoning correct?

There are actually 2 factors at work. 1st - due to micro-protrusions, the contact area is significantly reduced, I think every 10, at least And 2nd factor - the lubricated surface prevents the product from sticking when heated. Heat is transferred from the heated surface through the lubricating film. Frying is a process of heat treatment of food in which oil is the working fluid (heat carrier). And the product is baked in the oven, and in this process the working medium is air and IR radiation.

I cook in the Zepter. I cook vegetables exactly as described above. and I do not drive a car without oil or gasoline, although I fry without oil. excellent meat comes out. with a crust. you just need to learn and know - when to put, when to remove from the fire. they are very heat-intensive and they must be heated to a certain level and then reduced, otherwise you will dry out or burn a piece. very convenient dishes in fact.

In fact, it is much better to just steam the vegetables whole, in this case they will not lose anything in the broth, and only then cut and make the same vinigret In the way that you fry in the Zepter, you can also fry in a Gourmet frying pan and other pans with a smooth bottom , which have a normal thickness of TRS, there is not much to learn there Or you did not know that? But what you have noticed very much - the large heat capacity of the TRS and, accordingly, the large thermal inertia creates inconvenience in use and is one of the main disadvantages of the Zepter. A frying pan of the MAGNOLIA series, with more modest technical characteristics, will "make" your Zepter for all main dishes, without any special tricks in use. The Zepter dishes were not sculpted by an engineer, but rather by a marketer. The goal was not the functionality and ergonomics of the product, but its weight and the selling price. This is a typical delusion of happy owners of Zepter cookware - that this cookware is the best, because it is one of the most expensive You simply have no idea about the economics of Vlt pan production, for example, the same Zepter frying pan with URA surface is even more advanced in technical terms product than yours with a 20-year-old design. True, in order to normally fry a pancake on it, you have to spit on these most notorious Zepter rules, which were invented by very narrow-minded people. The philosopher Rene Descartes a few centuries ago gave mankind a golden rule, which ensured the progress of our civilization, "Question everything."

[mr.Catlery]

Well, again ... And again with your participation, mr.Catlery... Yes, leave you alone the owners of the Zepter. If people are willing to pay 4 prices for a saucepan, they do it because they buy something else with the saucepan that is invisible to the eye (which cannot be seen on the cut of this saucepan), which other manufacturers of similar saucepans do not offer. Zepter's customers buy an idea, a concept, a new way of cooking, eating, and at the same time a new way of life. And let "Zepter-rules" smile at you, but if these rules help a person to cook dinner the way he likesand he is happy with that, why convince him that these rules are far-fetched?

And, sorry, just because a flat-bottomed zepter can't fry pancakes without butter doesn't mean it's bad. This means that it is just not designed for frying pancakes. We also do not grill pancakes in a multicooker, but this does not mean that this technique is not worthy of our attention. On the contrary, we are all in awe of these pots (I'm talking about multicooker), because they are capable of much more than frying pancakes. And for pancakes, we have pancake makers

The position of a consultant, an expert is valuable for its unobtrusiveness and provision of relevant and important information right on time (which means - only when the client ready receive this information and needs in it).

There are opinions that are supported and reasoned by something, and such opinions certainly deserve attention and respect, but there are delusions and unreliable information, and this must be fought against.To whom the Zepter rules help to cook dinner, to whom prayer, and who simply talent and skillful hands. Didn't you understand that it was not an ordinary user of this dish that was trolling here, but a septor adept. The consumer has the right to a free choice of goods and services, and these figures endure people with their brains, thereby damaging their mental health. And these are no longer toys. Of course, you can watch this process from the outside, be polyberal, play pluralism. But in fact, this is all quite serious, read how fast direct sale companies are growing, more and more people are getting involved in these scams. The idea is quite simple there, as well as the economics of this business. I already wrote before that the dishes themselves are just an excuse. When a person talks about some unique consumer qualities that no other tableware has, it must be somehow demonstrated clearly, which is why I suggested a visual test. And not stupid enough to mix up a multicooker, pans and pots in one pile. Almost every user has a whole arsenal of dishes and, as a rule, these are dishes of various manufacturers. The same pancake makers can be made from different materials and have different designs. If we are to discuss something substantively, then it is necessary for the collective mind of users and manufacturers to find new designs and open up new possibilities of dishes, at least personally I am most interested in this. I research and test cookware with the aim of making it better and more functional. Because i NOT A CONSULTANT , but an engineer-entrepreneur engaged in the real production of tableware. And you actually gave me the role of some kind of merchandiser from a china shop, it's not mine. If you need one, then look for someone else, ok?

I have pans of different diameters and all with white ceramic coating. I use it for five months, fried and stewed carrots, beets, tomatoes, add turmeric. The color of the coating is perfectly white. I use silicone and plastic spoons.

hello Francevna! I have been thinking for a long time which frying pan is better to buy, can you advise which ones are more practical? and I want to update the saucepans, I like Zepter. but painfully expensive, can you also tell me which brand is better?

A variety of stainless steel dishes were purchased. Now there is one problem. It is so beautiful, polished almost to the mirror, and you can't put pots into each other for compact storage. All the time, you need to monitor the appearance of pots and lids like crystal. There is no happiness in life!

All the time, you need to monitor the appearance of pots and lids like crystal. There is no happiness in life!

I suffered a little with these polished dishes (well, I don't have a dishwasher), and then waved my hand - not me for the dishes, but the dishes for me! And she introduced the pots with a metal washcloth.

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen! (read a little higher here) And someone can say something about this cover from Borner.

Or maybe there was about it, but the search did not show.

[My friends]

My friends, nevertheless, I propose to dwell on the clarification of the right and the wrong (well, this is a senseless occupation by God). Let's get back to the topic itself

So about the topic ... I have the ceptor saucepans. And I actively used them when I had gas. There is no gas for an hour, but there are multicooker. And somehow these saucepans began to stand idle. The weight of the pots themselves somehow did not touch me. But the weight of the pan ... Mamadaragaya, the cocoa is heavy, holding it in one hand is not an easy task, and even if it is filled with edibles.

Lviv, I understand that you fried pancakes in butter, right? Well, that is, there is not much difference between frying them in a steel frying pan or in a cast iron pan? Or is there?

[Alim]

I suffered a little with these polished dishes (well, I don't have a dishwasher), and then waved my hand - not me for the dishes, but the dishes for me! And she introduced the pots with a metal washcloth.

Alim, a real extreme! I recently, without thinking, put the Fagor pressure cooker in a smaller pan. I saw the result of the interaction immediately on the pan. So I'm afraid to hurt you somewhere again. Although, I will probably forget later. In the end, such "battle scars" can become a decoration of a saucepan. And of course you are right! The dishes are for us, not us for her.

[Lviv, I understand that you fried pancakes in butter, right? Well, that is, there is not much difference between frying them in a steel frying pan or in a cast iron pan? Or is there?]

Lviv, I understand that you fried pancakes in butter, right? Well, that is, there is not much difference between frying them in a steel frying pan or in a cast iron pan? Or is there?

Yes, without butter, this nickname (I don't understand - it's he or she) fries. Already wrote.

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen! (read a little higher here) And someone can say something about this cover from Borner.

Or maybe there was about it, but the search did not show.

Super lid! I would buy one

[dopleta]

dopleta, Lvova surpassed mr.Catlery in this respect. And unlike the latter, she did not share anything useful.
Turn the topic into a discussion of an expert's communication style?

surpassed only after spit mr gallery
I shared a useful one, but it was cleaned in the first half (((along with the posts of mr.

Yes, without butter, this nickname (I don't understand - it's he or she) fries. Already wrote.

I am she! above is the link to me in life. why suddenly "he"? even insulting!)

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen! (read a little higher here) And someone can say something about this cover from Borner.

Or maybe there was about it, but the search did not show.

Buy, you will not regret it! I already wrote a lot about this cover!

I recently, without thinking, put the Fagor pressure cooker in a smaller pan. I saw the result of the interaction immediately on the pan. So I'm afraid to hurt you somewhere again.

For these purposes, there are such helicopters on sale, they are very soft, they bend well. They are used just for this purpose, insert pots and pans into each other. We cost only 70 rubles for 3 pieces.

For these purposes, there are such helicopters on sale, they are very soft, they bend well. They are used just for this purpose, insert pots and pans into each other. We cost only 70 rubles for 3 pieces.

Even expensive for such garbage! You can cut it yourself from soft material

For these purposes, there are such helicopters on sale, they are very soft, they bend well. They are used just for this purpose, insert pots and pans into each other. We cost only 70 rubles for 3 pieces.

I have no need for now, the pots have passed through the Crimea and the Crimea, but I wonder where they sell them. And also poke me into the post about the Borner cover. Pli-out.

Even expensive for such garbage! You can cut it yourself from soft material

Can! But if you add up the cost of the material itself, run to find and buy it, the road and your torment by measuring, making patterns, cutting-cutting - it turns out that 23.33 rubles per piece of helicopter will not be at all expensive

[run to find and buy it, dear]

Can! But if you add up the cost of the material itself, run to find and buy it, the road and your torment by measuring, making patterns, cutting-cutting - it turns out that 23.33 rubles per piece of helicopter will not be at all expensive

Let's take out the brackets run to find and buy it, dear... For helicopters, you also need to run to find and buy and the road ... And I will draw and print a pattern in AutoCADe in 15 minutes (only 1 time!). Delov for 10 minutes And the material heaps around. Choose what you like.

Oh, you need to look. Somewhere about stewed cabbage was. I will try to search in my own recipes to dig

Here, I found my old topic, where I wrote about this cover, how I work with it))

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=108715.0

Here, I found my old topic, where I wrote about this cover, how I work with it))

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=108715.0

A deep sad sigh ... In it, the pictures about the lid do not open. You apparently removed them from the Radical. Or something like that. But thanks anyway. I have already put the lid on Ozone in the basket, I will replenish my wallet, and go!

[Dear forum users!Alas, there is not always time to put the topic in proper shape. Therefore, for now, I will take the following steps.1. I am closing this topic for general cleaning.2 For a productive and friendly communication on the topic of cooking utensils, I open a new topic Cooking utensils (pots, pans, lids for them).3. After cleaning, if I deem it necessary, I will connect the topics.I ask you to continue the conversation in a friendly tone and on the topic.Yours faithfully,Rina]

Dear forum users!

Alas, there is not always time to put the topic in proper shape. Therefore, for now, I will take the following steps.
1. I am closing this topic for general cleaning.
2 For a productive and friendly communication on the topic of cooking utensils, I open a new topic Cooking utensils (pots, pans, lids for them).
3. After cleaning, if I deem it necessary, I will connect the topics.

I ask you to continue the conversation in a friendly tone and on the topic.

Yours faithfully,
Rina