Albina
Irina, I don’t know WHAT is wild garlic. Never ate.
gala10
Albina, here there is even photo of wild garlic. The taste of young garlic.
Tumanchik
The girls are delicious sous-see with butter. It turns out yarn.
Natusya
Yesterday night I put a clipping (minion) to see. While it cools down until the evening. Or maybe my husband will take a sample at lunchtime Here's a "sausage"

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francevna
Natusya, then show us in the context of how it tasted, with details.
Natusya
Allochka, I will definitely hand over the report, my husband provided me not to open it without me, we need to record everything and throw it into the grill I saw the new grill, but while he is silent, he probably already waved his hand at me just doesn't know that I also bought a robot vacuum cleaner yesterday
francevna
Natusya, so the husband will now rest from the vacuum cleaner.
Today I opened a bag of pork sous vide, lay in the freezer for 2 weeks after cooking. My husband said that this ham tasted even better.
Natusya
francevna, All, if he vacuumed ... well, maybe a couple of times a year and then in the middle, and in the corners the moss lies therefore everything by itself, everything by itself. He cooks better pasta and the meat will sometimes fry the dust from the shelves. We will soon be trampled on from the topic
Chit
Good day everyone! Girls, I want to cook a few bags of sous-vide meat (for future use), please tell me how best to do it:

1) Marinate - vacuumize - cook - freeze.
2) Marinate - vacuum - freeze - cook.

Which of the ways is correct, "tasty"?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
Helen
Chit, Margarita, I think the second way!
Chit
Helen3097, Elena, thank you very much for your prompt reply!
Masinen
Margarita, but first, nevertheless, you need to read about Suvid, because in such a technology, not everything is so simple and a bunch of subtleties.
Cu View Steba SV1 / SV2 / SV200 PRO / SV 100PRO (SousVide - cooking in vacuum)

And also read the recipes for suvid. And read this topic from the very beginning.
Good luck!
Natusya
Chit, Margarita, I do it first, because then I take it to the dacha. The finished product is defrosted in the pan. The grill remains at home. The husband is happy that there is no need to cook for a long time.
And Maria wrote correctly, study the method.
Helen
Quote: nnv200569

Chit, Margarita, I do it first, because then I take it to the dacha. The finished product is defrosted in the pan. The grill remains at home. The husband is happy that there is no need to cook for a long time.
And Maria wrote correctly, study the method.
On the first, I also sometimes do it, but this is when something is no longer eaten ... it lies for a long time and so that it does not disappear, I put it in the freezer ... and then I thaw it ... and eaten ...
Chit
Masinen, nnv200569, thank you very much for not passing by. I will consider your advice.
Samopal
Marinated beef this day. I will report back in three days.
Masinen
And I made a video on beef and I can't watch it, it's just an ambush.

Oleg, waiting for the report)
Which part will you cook?
Samopal
I took a thin edge with a bone for experiments. The bone is cooked for broth, and the meat is marinated. Photo report buffet later. But I shoot everything carefully.
Natusya
Oleg, we are waiting for photos and details!
Natusichka
Oh, how we are waiting !!!
Cronut
We have had a suvid from Anov for almost 2 years, they wrote out delivery from America, at that rate and in a festive promotion, I got it for 4 thousand rubles, with shipment. Lucky! It was possible to choose an option for 220V, it is convenient. And then at home half of the devices on the American outlet.
Anova is good because there is an accurate temperature regime, an error of 0.1C and a forced fan, well, it fits absolutely any pan, even the tiniest one. Minus: there is no lid, if you cook for a long time, then the water quickly boils away, you need to add.
We use it every day: all kinds of meat, rabbit, duck, fish and even oysters, vegetables, fruits and crème brлеlée.
Cooking Black Angus beef steaks:
* medium rar at 54 ° C, and medium at 60 ° C, 60 min (easy to remember).
If you eat right away, then take it out of the suvid, let it rest at room temperature for 10 minutes, remove it from the bag, wipe the boom well. towel.
* And fry for 1 minute in a hot frying pan with butter, garlic, thyme / or on a quick grill in a dukovka 250 C. Browning exclusively for beauty, so that there is a crust and the smell of roasted meat. On top of beautiful salt, you can just coarse sea, and 2-3 turns of a chalk of freshly ground pepper.
* If you do not eat immediately, then shock the package with meat in ice water, full immersion. You can add a lot of salt, from 1 kg to the sink of water, then the water temperature drops below 0 C. Then put it in the refrigerator, freezer. Shock cooling so that the meat, while cooling, is less in the temperature zone of the dangerous development of anaerobic bacteria.
* Leaving the meat to cool slowly in the switched off suvid is not worth it. Although, anything happens, we forget to take it out right away, it cools down right in the pan.
* Therefore, according to the principle, the meat should be put into the souvid when the water is already heated to the required temperature.
* If you put a bag of frozen meat in the suvid, then you need to increase the cooking time. I usually set the timer at the moment when the suvid re-reaches the desired temperature after the food has been laid.
* Almost any meat (except rabbit) can be kept in suvid for 2-3-4 hours longer than the minimum. The taste does not change. The main thing is that the temperature is the same.
* In a rabbit, the meat becomes like a sponge if you overdo it.

Hope it comes in handy.


Added Saturday 14 May 2016 04:41 AM

I want to introduce my sister to the wonderful suvid, but it is expensive to buy and donate a vacuum cleaner + suvidnitsa set. I was surprised that the multicooker could be adapted for this. Already advised my sister.
I have a basic Redmond multi-cooker-pressure cooker. I did not even suspect that it is possible to play with the temperature of Simmering and Heating in other models.
Until now, the advice was, either in a cauldron of water and in the oven. Or watch with a thermometer on the stove.
Both methods work, but it is not convenient, too lazy to jump, then turn up the fire, then turn it down, add ice only.
My sister didn't want to join the party in any way.
Now I'll definitely persuade you.


Added Saturday 14 May 2016 05:22 AM

Quote: Tiny
1) Marinate - vacuumize - cook - freeze.
2) Marinate - vacuum - freeze - cook.

* If you came from a store and are sorting bags with various meats, then method 2).
* If you cook one thing, then there will be no difference in taste, but it is more convenient to do it using method 1). So the dish is already ready for you, you can use it at any time. You can instruct your husband to warm up.
In addition, if you are not cooking for several months, then it is not necessary to freeze. A refrigerator is enough.
* If the tail of the package is left long, then after opening the same package, you can evacuate the same package several times, after cutting off a piece.
But do not skip the stage of blast chilling, do not leave to cool in the suvid. It is better to keep it at the desired temperature longer if in doubt about the time.
Samopal
Cronut, Write more often, post recipes, if possible, then with a photo. And so +1 to karma
Masinen
Cronut, Welcome to our forum!
By the way 6 there is one more topic on suvid
Cu View Steba SV1 / SV2 / SV200 PRO / SV 100PRO (SousVide - cooking in vacuum)

This is a general topic, you can write here in the second topic too)

And for multicooker, all so the result with the device suvid cannot be compared with the result from a multicooker, because the MV has a large error, the sensors are not so accurate, but first you can try. If you like it, then already purchase the device suvid)
well, if you cook 1 time in half a year, then you can also do with a multicooker.

Quote: Cronut
suvid from Anov
You are lucky that they were not bought so expensively, if I knew that there was a promotion, I would also order.
Samopal
I am pleased to share my breakfast with you. Sous Vid Eggs (a la poached) in STEBA SV2. I will try to use the recipe in the topic about Steba.
Take the eggs, put them in the wire rack from the Steba pan and cook, preheating the water to 64.5 * C for 45 minutes. It turns out delicious. The yolk is ready, and the protein is thin, just right. You can decorate with green tea.
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Masinen
Samopal, Oleg, breakfast of an aristocrat !! And what yolk, we are.
And I haven't cooked eggs like that yet)
Samopal
The main thing here is not to make a mistake, they do not need to be cleaned, but broken
Masinen
Those smashed and poured like raw, huh?
And if you just cut off the top and eat with a spoon?
Samopal

The protein is very liquid, spreads, you have to scoop it up with a spoon. But, in principle, everything is possible, why not.
domovoyx
I also often pasteurize eggs at 57 ° C for 75 minutes. Then you can eat them, and prepare the cream
Chit
Cronut, thank you very much for the advice and for your detailed post.
Cronut
I share my experience, yesterday for the first time we cooked a pork shank suvid.
Temperature 60C, time 10 hours, suvid Anova.
The shank is small, 600 grams, pickled with mustard before vacuum. After the suvid, they wiped it off, cut the skin with diamonds, greased with oil, baked under the grill on the top shelf in the oven: 250 C, 7 minutes, on each side.
It turned out delicious, the meat was juicy, the skin "boiled", was dry and crispy. Garnish: stewed sweet and sour apples with caraway seeds.
But, the texture result did not live up to expectations. I wanted something more cheesy, tender. And so the knuckle turned out to be more of a sandwich, wonderfully cut into thin slices, had a wonderful slightly pink cut, crispy edges and was amazingly combined with apples.
Hopefully, it will be prepared for someone who has not yet determined for themselves the desired temperature regime for the shank.


Added Friday 20 May 2016 11:13 PM

It was the first experience with the shank, but we often cook the brisket, also for 10 hours, but the temperature is higher. Recommend.
Temperature 77 C, time 10 hours, Anova, pork belly.
Marinade before vacuum: 100 ml soy sauce, 100 ml mirin, 100 ml sugar, 1 tbsp. l. fish sauce, 2 cloves of garlic, 2 stalks of green onions, 2 cm piece of ginger. Chop ginger, onion, garlic, and then punch with a blender along with the rest of the ingredients.
Pour the brisket in a bag with marinade, vacuum. (We have a vacuum recently, before that we used ziplock packages and the displacement method, it does not affect the result, it's a matter of convenience).
Ready to cool in an ice bath, put in the refrigerator. You can reheat, wiping off the marinade, under the grill in a whole piece, you can portionwise, you can fry in a pan. On a normal day, there is laziness, but if we are waiting for guests, we keep the brisket overnight in the refrigerator, straightened, under pressure. Then it can be beautifully cut into neat 3x3 cm squares, it turns out very effectively.
In any case, the crust must be crispy: under a hot grill, 3 minutes is usually enough. But you can achieve this in a dry frying pan, skin down, wait for it to "foam", and then quickly caramelize from other sides.
In the refrigerator, the remnants of the marinade in the bag turns into jelly, if you heat and boil it, you get an excellent glaze sauce. You can water the meat like this, or you can mix it with ordinary mayonnaise.
The meat is amazingly tasty, it is permeated with the aroma of marinade, tender, juicy, melting in the mouth. Almost all the fat is melted in 10 hours, only a thin skin remains, which is pleasant to chew. In general, it fully justifies the Chinese name "seven layers of paradise".
gala10
Cronut, thanks for the detailed description of the process. I will definitely try to do so. Why don't you fill it with a separate recipe? It's a shame if it gets lost.
Masinen
Galina, will not get lost, I will make a link to the first page)

Cronut, Can you really issue a recipe? With photo?
dopleta
Quote: Cronut

I wanted something more cheesy, tender.
Cronut, according to this recipe, the knuckle turns out to be very tender:

SousVide shank (Caso SousVide Center SV 1000) (dopleta)

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domovoyx
100% tender !!!
Samopal
Prepared a recipe
Su-Vid and all the subtleties of technology
Here I will inform anyone interested. He's here
Cronut
Quote: Tiny
1) Marinate - vacuumize - cook - freeze.
2) Marinate - vacuum - freeze - cook.
I hasten to share one more observation, which was confirmed today on the American Internet.

The fact is that we have just recently got a vacuum cleaner and a car. A couple of weeks ago, they realized my fix idea about the mass purchase of meat with subsequent freezing in vacuum bags. What we just didn’t buy in one go! Suffice it to say that I ran out of a 5-meter roll of vacuum bags in the packaging. Before that, souvid was used only for chilled meat. And then I put all kinds of spices on the table and seasoned everything before sending it in packages. We used simple salt-pepper, and Provencal herbs, and Mexican mixture, and mustard with honey, and soy sauce, and bulgogi, I even made a Japanese mixture of 7-spices Togarashi with orange peel!

Salt and spices change the texture of meat if you use them before vacuuming and storing them for more than a couple of days. The meat turns out to be a little "ham".

I have been using suvid for two years, this is the first time I have encountered such results. Chicken breast, roast beef and pork knuckle got an unexpected ham taste, for whose "sandwich" I complained about earlier. : -: swoon: It looks like it's not about temperature.

Conclusion: 1) if vacuuming for future use for suvid, take clean meat, no spices. 2) If you are cooking chilled meat, you can season it. 3) remember that garlic in marinades darkens, and then meat with it cannot be stored in the refrigerator for a long time.
That's all, of course, unless you were planning on making the ham.


Added Wednesday 25 May 2016 07:24 AM

dopleta, thanks for the recipe. I will definitely try this option. But in view of today's conclusions, at first I will repeat my knuckle. It's a pity that we eat pork, well, we very rarely eat, we want to redo everything again quickly.


Added Wednesday 25 May 2016 07:30

Quote: gala10
Why don't you fill it with a separate recipe? It's a shame if it gets lost.
Thank you for your trust. I always read recipes with photographs with great interest, especially master classes. But I'm not friends with photography myself, and I always cook quickly, almost in passing.
I have been reading culinary forums for a long time, especially when on a diet, instead of dinner. Never commented.
Then I realized that there is a topic in which I have a lot of experience, I decided to write. And then there were surprises, I made ham from everything. As in that joke.

The Mercedes company bought the AvtoVAZ plant. Reconfigured production, start the conveyor. ... ... Bam! at the exit of the Lada!
They dismantled the equipment, brought new ones from Germany, installed, adjusted, started up. ! ! ! Zhiguli again!
Fuck all the staff of the plant, they bring workers from Germany, fix it, check it, start it up. STSUKO! At the exit again - Zhiguli!
Near the plant there is a hill, on it Ch. engineer and plant director (both with the prefix Ex .. look at all this. Engineer to the director:
- And I told you - the place is damned! ! ! And then all "hands from the ass, hands from the ass"

Masinen
Quote: Cronut
Salt and spices change the texture of meat if you use them before vacuuming and storing them for more than a couple of days. The meat turns out to be a little "ham".

That's right, because this meat is already salted, and it always changes its structure. But for sandwiches, snacks, slices, very good)))

And just for storage, you don't need to pickle anything with salt, etc.)

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience, it's always fun to read !!
And the joke is super
dopleta
Quote: Cronut
3) remember that garlic in marinades darkens, and then meat with it cannot be stored in the refrigerator for a long time.
In addition, its taste and smell change at the same time not for the better, therefore, professional "suvidniki" recommend using dried ground, not fresh garlic.
Samopal
If you are interested, you can see Sous Vide chicken breast with cheese crust
Su-Vid and all the subtleties of technology
I cooked on the Steba SV2 (suvidnitsa) technique, Caso VC350 vacuum machine, STATUS vacuum packaging rolls, Steba PG4.4 electric grill. If anyone is interested, of course.
dopleta
Quote: shlyk_81
I do it in zip bags, all the air, of course, is not removed by hand.
I rarely look into this topic (since my Su Vid is not Shteba, and for some reason all the subtleties of this technology are placed inside the section only about Shteba's technique), but now I was asked to duplicate my post from another topic here. Although, perhaps, these methods have already been described here, but I fulfill the request.
Without a vacuum, you can also get out of the situation at first. First, you can immerse the bag with the product in water, the water will displace the air, and immediately close the zip. And another simple method, here I show in the photo. Insert a straw into the bag, close the zip, leaving only the straw, suck the air out of the bag and quickly close the zip. This, of course, is not a strict vacuum, but it will do!
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Masinen
Larissa, yes it doesn't matter that in the Headquarters section, here are general questions)
It just so happened that I opened a topic here, and it remained))
Natusya
Masinen, Mashul, how much can you store meat in the refrigerator instead of the freezer?
Masinen
Natusya, in a vacuum, five to seven days, but just three days.
Anna1957
I made beef tongue, chicken hearts (I haven't tried it yet) and mackerel in Shteba. I want to write about her separately - it turned out very tasty. Now the price of red fish is simply prohibitive, and the need to eat fatty sea fish has not disappeared. I bought fish with my head, between the files I put pickled lemons and dill stalks, salt, pepper. Both cold and hot - tender, juicy, without the smell of fish oil. By the way, I made both hearts and mackerel at the same time - I cooked it for 1.5 hours, and left the hearts for another 1 hour.
Samopal
Anna, Thank you! I want to switch to mackerel too. Did you buy frozen food?
Anna1957
Quote: Samopal

Anna, Thank you! I want to switch to mackerel too. Did you buy frozen food?
Yes, with their heads not gutted. I didn't really like her, but I tried to cook in different ways. I liked this option the most.
Cronut
Quote: Cronut
Temperature 77 C, time 10 hours, Anova, pork belly.

I posted photos and the recipe for Pork knuckle in ginger marinade sousvid in the general catalog

Marinade before vacuum: 100 ml soy sauce, 100 ml mirin, 100 ml sugar, 1 tbsp. l. fish sauce, 2 cloves of garlic, 2 stalks of green onions, 2 cm piece of ginger. Chop ginger, onion, garlic, and then punch with a blender along with the rest of the ingredients.
Pour the brisket in a bag with marinade, vacuum. (We have a vacuum recently, before that we used ziplock packages and the displacement method, it does not affect the result, it's a matter of convenience).
Ready to cool in an ice bath, put in the refrigerator. You can reheat, wiping off the marinade, under the grill in a whole piece, you can portionwise, you can fry in a pan. On a normal day, there is laziness, but if we are waiting for guests, we keep the brisket overnight in the refrigerator, straightened, under pressure. Then it can be beautifully cut into neat 3x3 cm squares, it turns out very effectively.
In any case, the crust must be crispy: under a hot grill, 3 minutes is usually enough. But you can achieve this in a dry frying pan, skin down, wait for it to "foam", and then quickly caramelize from other sides.
In the refrigerator, the remnants of the marinade in the bag turns into jelly, if you heat and boil it, you get an excellent glaze sauce. You can water the meat like this, or you can mix it with ordinary mayonnaise.
The meat is amazingly tasty, it is permeated with the aroma of marinade, tender, juicy, melting in the mouth. Almost all the fat is melted in 10 hours, only a thin skin remains, which is pleasant to chew. In general, it fully justifies the Chinese name "seven layers of paradise".


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Iskatel-X
Prank
Girls and boys, hello.
I have a question. I was at the trial on the built-in technique, in ovens, of course, the first thing they do is promote the Su-vid so persistently.
We cooked rump steak there, among other things.They cooked this way - they fried a piece on the grill on all sides, then put it in a bag, added thyme, crushed garlic and butter, a piece, sealed it and set it to cook.
Here on HP, I looked at several recipes, they write first to suck, and then if you need to fry.
Attention is the question of what will be the fundamental difference between making a grill before or after.
Thank you.

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