Black cat
Hello girls! And men Does anyone have this mixer? How is he for you, how long has he been serving, has he broken? I have a dilemma which mixer to take. First I wanted kitschen, then kenwood (I already thought that I would order from ibey, so that it would be cheaper). But somehow I looked at Kenwood in the store and saw this bork. The consultant has written that bork is better. And this is no longer one store they tell me. I don’t need Kenwood as a kitchen machine, so I’m overpaying for it. And bork is a complete mixer. And it is captivating that it has a timer. But I watch topics about bork at all, so it is not in demand at all? In general, I look forward to your comments
Masinen
Would you like to know that Bork and Gastorag are one and the same company. Bork just put his badge.
I also went to the Bork store in the Moscow hotel, on the theater. And she talked to the consultant. So he laid it out to me))
Do you know how much Gastorag costs ??
All 6 thousand rubles. So think, it's worth overpaying for the word Bork)
Type Gastorag on the Internet)
Black cat
Quote: Masinen

Would you like to know that Bork and Gastorag are one and the same company. Bork just put his badge.
I also went to the Bork store in the Moscow hotel, on the theater. And she talked to the consultant. So he laid it out to me))
Do you know how much Gastorag costs ??
All 6 thousand rubles. So think, it's worth overpaying for the word Bork)
Type Gastorag on the Internet)

I looked now. The gastrorag has less power, there is no pastry chef attachment and no timer. For the same price there is a taurus mixer. Which at one time I thought to buy, since it was not possible to buy an expensive one, but it also has a small power. And now my husband gives me money for a good mixer and I'm all in thought
Masinen
I would not consider bork. After talking with the seller, if only I bought only a multicooker) and then, for such a price never))
Why did Kenwood disappear?
I took Kenwood myself a week ago, I'm very happy !! Or buy kitschen)
Or ankarsrum original) but not bork !!
Black cat
Quote: Masinen

I would not consider bork. After talking with the seller, if only I bought only a multicooker) and then, for such a price never))
Why did Kenwood disappear?
I took Kenwood myself a week ago, I'm very happy !! Or buy kitschen)
Or ankarsrum original) but not bork !!

The consultants say it has plastic parts inside. And all its 4 entrances are connected to each other. If one flies, the whole machine will not work. In addition, since this is a kitchen machine, the price is higher, and I do not want to overpay for it - I only need a mixer. And I believe that a mixer should be a mixer, a meat grinder - a meat grinder; that is, everything is separate. And the kitschen have already ceased to please, I do not look in his direction at all.

What kind of kenwood did you take? I saw the model of the chef titanium km20, the one with a 6-liter bowl.
Masinen
I bought a Shev Premier with a 4.6 liter bowl.
He left me almost for nothing, considering that its price is 30 thousand.
I bought it for 12 thousand)
The size for me is it. I was just lucky, I got to the action in the store, and it was also from the window. But all the completeness is with him)
And for 30 thousand I would never take it !! I would buy the original ankarsrum for 30 thousand. Here he is cooler than all taken !!
Well, you think, can you really spend money on Ankarsrum?
Black cat
Quote: Masinen

I bought a Shev Premier with a 4.6 liter bowl.
He left me almost for nothing, considering that its price is 30 thousand.
I bought it for 12 thousand)
The size for me is it. I was just lucky, I got to the action in the store, and it was also from the window. But all the completeness is with him)
And for 30 thousand I would never take it !! I would buy the original ankarsrum for 30 thousand. Here he is cooler than all taken !!
Well, you think, can you really spend money on Ankarsrum?

Whoa! For 12,000 I would take it without thinking! but about ankarsrum I do not know anything at all, it is necessary to read. Now the head will hurt even more
Elena Tim
I have a Bork E800. For more than a year and a half he has been plowing like a slave. I once wrote a review in M-video, and since my opinion about it has not changed over a long period of time, I drag the review here. I still subscribe to every word! (Except for the guarantee, it is now given for 3 years, and not for five).
"Honestly, I didn't want to write a review, I was afraid to jinx my new favorite. But since I myself had to be guided by only two previous reviews when choosing Bork (by the way, I thank them very much, I believed them and did not regret it), I decided everything -So do your bit and try to help those who have not yet decided on the choice of such a unit. I put this mixer on a par with the best inventions of mankind to help housewives, such as: a washing machine, a dishwasher, an electric meat grinder and a robotic vacuum cleaner. Why? Yes, simply because they do all the dirty and hard work for you! So, look at BORK! For starters, according to all documents, the warranty is not for 3 years, but for 5 years! Does this mean anything to you? Me - about a lot. Further: it works, indeed, quietly. A real find for a spy, a nightlife, such as me. Sometimes I have such an urge to cook at night, and now I know for sure that I will not wake anyone, even with the door open to the kitchen. actually, I like to tinker with the dough, with anyone. But the most unpleasant work for me is the initial stage of kneading, when liquid and flour turn into a viscous, sticky mass, which is applied to everything, both hands and a bowl. You knead the dough on the table, so that he, the table, also gets a piece of "swine". Washing and picking out all this business from under the nails, as everyone knows, is as unpleasant as after kneading fatty minced meat by hand. By the way, about the minced meat: it is perfectly mixed with a mixer, a “Culinary” attachment at low speed. Then the attachment and bowl in the dishwasher and goodbye. The handles are clean. The hook kneads any dough of any hardness, even for ravioli and noodles, which is cooked on eggs alone and has the consistency of a stone before proving. At the same time, he somehow manages to leave the bowl practically clean. After kneading the yeast dough, I do not take it out of the bowl, but, only slightly crushing it, cover the bowl with a plate and send it to the oven at 35 degrees to rise. It is very convenient, no need to stain excess dishes. But my favorite attachment is the Confectioner. It is designed in such a way that it closely adheres to the walls of the bowl and, as it were, scrapes off the entire mixture from them, leaving no chance for it to be poorly mixed. Perfect for soft doughs: biscuit, muffin, and of course shortbread with sour cream. By the way, we don't touch the latter either, we just dump it on the cellophane with a spatula, and wrap it in the refrigerator. Well, meringue became the apotheosis of my experimental activity. Immediately I want to reassure those who have not yet decided to buy such a machine, after reading unflattering reviews from the owners of mixers-combines of other brands, about the too large volume of the bowl, because of which I quote: "Beat less than 4 eggs is not realistic!" ... So, my Borchik perfectly whipped the meringue from two proteins! I thought that the whisk would not reach them. Nothing like that, wherever he went. It turned out 10 rather large bezeshki. In general, what I didn’t just knead and beat. Happy as a monkey on a heap of bananas. Now we don't buy bread, sweet or not sweet pastries are practically not translated in the house. Sandy chicken pie or with mushroom potatoes, for breakfast or just for a snack, much tastier than a sandwich with unknown sausage made of what. Isn't it true? I would recommend this mixer to my mother, but I will not slip a bad one on her. Only the best! But who I would NOT advise buying this mixer is for those who do not really like to tinker with the dough, but find pleasure in other things. Don't waste your time and money on it in the hope that you will suddenly be inflamed with a passion for homemade baked goods, dumplings, etc.Play for a week, and it will be gathering dust. And they could spend this considerable amount on something more useful and necessary for you. This mixer should not be standing. It should work. After all, he is a real worker! And we have complete love and understanding. He makes life easier for me, and I love him for that! "
Vei
I put this mixer into operation, just at Lena's. I will not talk about the appearance of a beautiful and solid one, since everything is clear with this, in any store you can touch and examine it.
But the way it works QUIETLY was a revelation for me. A year ago I had just a Gastrorag, he certainly did not stand next to Bork, but he made a noise like a hammer drill and a grinder combined.
Bork can really be turned on at night. By the way, I liked the quality of materials and workmanship even more than in Kenwood. It is a pity that I need a kitchen machine with all the attachments, and not just a kneader, but I would have taken Bork after what I saw.
Elena Tim
Liz, you're absolutely right. Here everyone is guided by what he needs. And Bork and Kenwood cannot even be compared. They are essentially different. You, of course, need Kenwood, along with all his bells and whistles. Can you imagine in my place Borchik Kenwood would have stood? And I would roll the dough on it! Count it, Schaub would be there!
Masinen
Quote: Vei

I put this mixer into operation, just at Lena's. I will not talk about the appearance of a beautiful and solid one, since everything is clear with this, in any store you can touch and examine it.
But the way it works QUIETLY was a revelation for me. A year ago I had just a Gastrorag, he certainly did not stand next to Bork, but he made a noise like a hammer drill and a grinder combined.
Bork can really be turned on at night. By the way, I liked the quality of materials and workmanship even more than in Kenwood. It is a pity that I need a kitchen machine with all the attachments, and not just a kneader, but I would have taken Bork after what I saw.
Liz, the bork mixer was built in the same factory as Gastorag. And they are very proud of it, that such as Gastorag is a cool trade mark. Therefore, the price for Bork is sooooo high!
As a gastrorag cost 6 thousand, and Bork lifted it by 26 thousand, if I'm not mistaken.
Even, as they said, this is the same Gastorag, here.
And that in Germany gastrorag is sooo expensive. And when the Germans arrived in Moscow and saw the prices for the equipment. Bork, then they sharply spent their evichi on bork))
Something is hard to believe)
All this was told to me in Bork)
Polga
Planetary dough mixer Gastrorag for 6 thousand is not the only model of Gastrorag. It can be said to be the simplest. There are other models in the Gastrorag catalogs, which are more powerful, more beautiful and several times more expensive.
Masinen
Polga, may be)
I have nothing against Bork) but I think that prices should be lower for their products.
Here. Something like this)
Polga
I just would not equal Bork 800 with Gastrorag for 6 thousand, after I saw them "live". This is heaven and earth. And the prices for any Bork equipment I considered and still consider prohibitive. Therefore, I don’t have anything from Bork. Although Bork 800 "sunk" in the soul.
Elena Tim
Quote: Masinen
Therefore, the price for Bork is sooooo high!
Oh yeah! The prices are really incredible. And, if the U700 multicooker was eventually thrown off from 34 thousand. up to 25 thousand, then the mixer cost 23 and still costs. Apparently, because new models did not appear, as is the case with cartoons. Except perhaps for colored mixers (beige and raspberry), you can buy them for 17 thousand. My mother bought this one for herself (beige). But, despite the prices, I still dearly love this brand. It all started with the K800 kettle. I saw it on TV, showed it to my husband, laughed together, they say, what idiot would pay 12 thousand for a kettle (it cost so much then). It turned out - it's us! Well, then it started ... A small collection has already been gathered.
Mash, tell me, please, didn’t you write somewhere that Bork has a terrible juicer? Just in case, I ask for the future. Suddenly it will be impatient someday.
Masinen
Elena Tim, Lena, did I write ??!?
I don't seem to remember))
Elena Tim
Sorry, Mashul! So I confused you with someone.Just yesterday I got a comment on this, I don’t remember what topic. I thought it was you who experienced all the hardships and hardships with a juicer. Sorry, please
Vei
Quote: Polga

I just would not equal Bork 800 with Gastrorag for 6 thousand, after I saw them "live". This is heaven and earth. And the prices for any Bork equipment I considered and still consider prohibitive.
Absolutely the same opinion. Although I have a cartoon Bork. But it is produced by a well-known Korean concern, and Bork is only an importer.
irina23
Hello everyone! Elena TIM, I have had a BORK juicer for 4 years already, I am very happy with it. Previously, the hole BROWN, also not bad, but after the squeezing, the juice forms a foam that did not like it and the apples had to be cut. At work, one employee praised the BORK juicer very much, in general, even though the husband did not understand it caught fire (like there is one.) We bought it - absolutely delighted! Her chtoli sieve is very fine, but the same foam in the juice as a pulp and not grains is very tasty. I have never regretted it. Then, on my advice, everyone who bought it was happy. And now even new models are making smoothies, and soft fruits. One drawback is the price. True, I bought it for a long time, but I don't think it got worse. And now I look after a good mixer, I went into this topic and study it.
Mar_k
So I will support irina23-Irina! The juicer is good, available for 5 years. I impressed from the very beginning that the cake turns out to be very dry, it already crumbles when you take it in your hands!
Mar_k
Elena Tim, and how big - bulky?
Elena Tim
irina23, Thank you!
Quote: Mar_k
the cake turns out to be very dry, it already crumbles when you take it in your hands!
Come on, Marink, is it true? I thought it never happens!
Elena Tim
Quote: Mar_k
how big is it - bulky?
Do you mean Borchik? No, it's relatively small. It's not a kitchen machine, it's bigger. But you need to see it with your own eyes. Because the concept of "big or small" is different for everyone.
Mar_k
I really liked it !!! I couldn’t bake carrot cutlets now, though we don’t use it, some family members cannot be healthy, but they used to drink constantly !!
Mar_k
Elena Tim, of course, I look at him !!! Thank you!!!
Mar_k
Elena Tim, and if you are interested, I can reanimate the juicer - to show that it can !!! She seems to have 5 speed spinning for different products !!! Dranikov, what to bake
Elena Tim
Yes to health, hospad!
They teased me with their juicer again, damn it! I wanted her for a long time, I even went to the store for her, when I saw an entu bandura, at the moment I washed out of the store! She needs a stationary place, you won't drag her from the closet to the table and back. And soon, in general, there will be no working area on my table. Here I sit, I endure!
Elena Tim
Quote: Mar_k
then I can reanimate the juicer - to show that it can !!!
Don't have mercy! Then I will want her a hundred times more. So, let him lie down for a while, and if something happens, I'll whistle! Okay?
Mar_k
It washes well and conveniently !!! And pulling it really is not very, although it is not so heavy !!! Okay, on the weekend I'll probably work on it with a report !!!
Elena Tim
You will get it right now!
Mar_k
Elena Tim, maybe you want it at all, maybe not the ultimate dream !!!
Song
Quote: Elena Tim
I wanted her for a long time
Well, what are you pulling, Len? Take it! You will not regret! And don't think anymore! Moreover, just the season.
Elena Tim
Anh, yes, I want her to the point of stupidity, since I read your review somewhere. As soon as I calmed down, Lorik began to tease! So I went to the store, returned without a juicer, the size calmed me down a little in desires. Now Marinka is a tease, and you, damn it, assent! I have no strength to fight with you all!
Lan, I'll go joke for her. Yoshkin cat, again rearrange the kitchen!
Song
Quote: Elena Tim
Lan, I'll go joke for her.
Here is the young man! It is high time!
Especially since you have right now a week of the Birthday is coming ... you can buy everything I want
Mar_k
Elena Tim, Congratulations !! The ice has broken !!!
irina23
Girls. I choose a mixer for my birthday. I look at Bork.Elena Tim, tell me please, does he place the dough? I wanted kitsch, they say he shakes his head on a steep test. I don't know where to stop. No extra. No functions are required to work quietly, beat quickly and well, and be able to knead tough dough. What would you suggest. Kenwood, too, but expensive. I will not dwell on anything now. I have a very old Bosch femeli harvester, I'm looking for a replacement.
Elena Tim
Quote: irina23
Elena Tim, can you please tell me what is the dough a place?
Location, location! Still like a place!
Quote: irina23
wanted kitschen, they say he shakes his head on a steep test
He should shake his head when kneading hard dough. There is a backlash specifically for such cases. If there was a rigid mount, which did not give the mixer a little more space for free movement, it would have crumbled long ago. You saw how cool, for example, noodle dough, which is kneaded on some eggs. It's terribly difficult to mix it, so the mixer shakes its head.
I also once wanted Kitchen, but I realized that I didn’t need a kitchen machine with all sorts of bells and whistles, but a mixer. Well, I got it. He does everything: he kneads the dough, whips the cream and kneads the mince for the ham perfectly. Well, you, in fact, most likely read my review, since it was me who was asked the question. So, after quite a decent amount of time has passed, I still subscribe to every word.
His only minus is he, an infection, dear!
And it was expensive (23 thousand, I think), but now it's 25 !!!
Would kill!
irina23
Lenochka, thanks for the quick reply. I used to dream of kitschin, but its price is more than 33 thousand. And there is a meat grinder, there is an empire noodle cutter, I bought a motor separately, you need a good mixer without unnecessary functions. Kenwood is also prohibitive. Of these three I will probably order bork.
irina23
Elena, I have some kind of fad for any kitchen technique. You want everything, but you will not read it through the branches. Until the gift money is spent, it is necessary to quickly decide. And the old mixer has been slowing down for a long time.
Elena Tim
Quote: irina23
You want everything, but you will not read it through the branches.
Oh yeah! It's so good that when I bought most of my equipment, my spirit was not yet on the Bread Maker! I'd be crazy to choose here! After all, how many people, so many opinions, so it is sooo difficult to decide.
Amateur chef
I looked at the current price for the Chinese BORK E800 in the company store - 33 690 rubles. better to add 1000r. and take American Kitchen Aid or add 3000r. and buy Swedish Ankarsrum Assistant.
Vei
Amateur chef, you better then add and buy. In my own Kenwood, when I was choosing a unit for myself, I chose between Kenwood, Ankarsrum and Kitchen. I did not consider Bork, despite the fact that I watched him at Lena Tim at work, and he was amazing - quiet, beautiful, very technological, he mixed everything perfectly, in general, a fabulous mixer, but I needed a kitchen machine with all the bells and whistles in the form of additional attachments.
Kitchen quickly fell off, since he was in no way comparable to the rest of the contestants. Old and completely irrelevant junk IMHO, I didn't like my work. Ankarsrum is a decent device, but I have to beat a lot of whites and eggs, and it has a different specificity - bread. His whipping bowl is extremely small, only 3 liters. So in the end, there was nothing to choose but Kenwood 020, and I have been happy with it for almost a year.
But I am very unpleasant to read such a review about Bork, because this is a very cool mixer, and the prices for everything are high now, especially after the ruble exchange rate (((
Amateur chef
I didn't say a word about Bork's work, maybe it's good. All I said is that the Chinese unit is sold at the price of goods from Europe and America. but it's not difficult to call kitschen junk, it's hard to come up with something new, that's why kenwood and bork were licked off the kitchen's planetary mixing system.
Vei
Amateur chef, then write your thoughts in the topic of choosing a planetary mixer, and not here, since you have not seen Bork at work.And from the fact that when someone invented an internal combustion engine or any other equipment and makes it to this day unchanged not in China, it did not become better than other modern ones. Anyone who uses the planetary system in their devices is likely to pay for a patent, and I'm not interested in that at all. Now almost all equipment and not only equipment is assembled in China, even Apple, but it did not become worse from this.
In Kitchen, the only joy is that he was made in America and he has a lot of flowers. I tried Kitchen in my work, of course, in comparison with a hand kneading or a hand mixer - this is a fairy tale, but in comparison with similar devices from other manufacturers, there is nothing to be aspirated about.
Sannyshka
Eh, I got into this topic and in vain. I wanted to order kitschen with ebay, but now I have read a lot of reviews and I want bork. He is very good and looks and more powerful and there is a timer. But to be honest, such power is not needed, I don’t make noodles, and kitschen will cope with yeast dough. Moreover, the difference in price is gigantic, it would be worth 20, I would take it without hesitation
Masinen
Sannyshka, and why with Ibe, when you can buy in Moscow.
Sannyshka
If only because I'm not in Moscow) In general, it is cheaper there and much more. Even with delivery. Well, the fact that an adapter is needed does not bother me. It was upset that they say you can't beat a small amount of products in it, and it doesn't take out a very tight dough ... now it's more and more bork hunting) I've become a maniac for bork)
Elena Tim
Quote: Sannyshka
I just became a maniac for borok)
Sisteraaaaa!
kil
Sisters ......
anrel
Hello
Bork E800 is an exact copy of BREVILLE
only costs 2 times more

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